Go Out Of Phase To Get A Better Guitar Tone

[@drrodopszin]

I was playing with this and it really opened my brain up. I came up with something that can be a feature either in Mikko 2 or a standalone IR loader. In Reaper there is a "3-band splitter" which splits the frequency range into 3 channels (low-mid-high) but without messing with phase (so the 3 channels combined can be nulled with the original signal). I invert the phase of the 3 channels, so there's nothing audible, then I use "time delayer" reaper plugin which allows you to nudge a channel's audio either by milliseconds or by samples. Adding a couple of samples to the high channel pulls out the harshness just like you show here, and then when I flip back the polarity then those nasty frequencies are gone! The big difference between this method and the one you show here that because I split the signal, the lower parts are not affected and also you can apply it with prerecorded cabinets. Where some UI magic could help this is creating a knob or a slider that only goes 1 sample at a time (it sucks to use num pad to type in the sample delay). I hope you guys did not get lost. Same delay/phase idea as in video, just applied to a cab'd track.

[@tcerecords5253]

This sounds even better. Great idea

[@DoveSimon]

I remember watching your first video on phase reverse trickery. It's such a cool technique and now we have a phase latency drift knob? It's an awesome time to be a guitar player. Thank you!

[@mlsoundlab]

Oh for sure! Fine tuning phase can make or break your guitar tone. This is where the tone is made - now with the amp EQ. :P

[@mattwhite399]

Thank you for including this capability in this plug-in! Absolutely killer for live amp micing, but I haven’t seen it built into an impulse / cab plug-in yet!

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you! Glad you're loving it 🙏 -Kai

[@bobwarren4707]

I tried the phase flip trick and wow. That really works. So much more clarity and easy enough to do. Thank you for such a great product and these great demo's Mikko!

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you so much! These are really cool tricks for finding things mic positions that work together amazingly. :)

[@MeTuLHeD]

The cancellation is in essence a subtle EQ.

[@woodward_alan]

Mind blown! The moment i realized that my dialing in a bad tone skills can turn into a good tone with a button switch.

[@kuzWich]

Amusing. That's how I used to deal highs back in amplitube 4 days. As soon as I realized the toanz power of the cabs, I was set to get my tones on the cab mic-ing side instead of EQs, pedals and such

[@JenyaIsJustChilling]

I used 3+ sets of different amp sims and cabinets on couple of my tracks and demos, and it sounds weak. I thought if i put 3 good sounds together it becomes even better, but in reality it doesn't work that way. So now I'm thinking of re-amping those guitars again, with only one Amp sim and cabinet + using some EQ matching (my choice is band called OSI, created by Kevin Moore, Jim Matheos, and Mike Portnoy - Jim has really good sound on all OSI's albums)

[@JenyaIsJustChilling]

I also tried to use EQ split, lows and mids from one amp, and highs from another, but it still sounds weird.

[@mlsoundlab]

Less is more definitely. Yes you can add up to 9 mics but in reality the more mics you add the less influence each mic has. 2-3 is maximum for me personally. Same goes for amps - if you want more width you can experiment with more different amps but overall if you want a punchy and focused guitar tone use the same amp and cab on both sides and that's better.

[@djabthrash]

Great video I use that often when doing a Fredman technique on my Two Notes torpedo plugins.

[@Brockstar]

Another amazing video, thank you, Mikko! Quick explanation, followed by exemplary demonstrations.

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you Brockie!!

[@fromaggio7654]

I find that using this trick old amp sims work very well

[@Tony-yp7ok]

I think Carlos Santana’s gorgeous tone on Samba Pa Ti has 2 mics slightly out of phase (as well as a half cocked wah). I couldn’t nail it until I put the mics out of phase

[@mlsoundlab]

That's quite possible! People didn't worry about those things that much back in the day. 😅

[@groopuskul]

Thank you , that was very helpful. Gonna try this, 😊

[@mlsoundlab]

Have fun! It's geeky but oh so nice

[@xrichalex1791]

Great Great !! this is an amazing tone. YEAH!

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you ever so much! 💪 -Kai

[@Carlos-gm8tt]

Thanks dude 🤘🤘🤘

[@mlsoundlab]

Thanks!!

[@MetalHeadPyro510]

Is there a pedal that can pull it out of phase with a knob like that to make high gain more pleasing?

[@pjmtry7]

Dang Cool!

[@mlsoundlab]

Thanks buddy!

[@johnhawk8624]

Great demo! Maybe try something besides metal for the rest of us. Thanks!

[@mlsoundlab]

I though I went for a good mix with open chords and a bit of palm muting. Definitely want to bring some variety into all these things! Thanks for the feedback!

[@fingee4005]

What about 2 guitars at the same time? How to deal with phase...

[@jesus4pincho]

For me, the most of the phase problems with doubletracked guitars usually come from performance!

[@mlsoundlab]

If it's two separate takes then that's not going to cause a phase issue. Same reason why you have to double track guitars rather than just copying two of the same take and pan the left or right. I hope I understood your question properly. Phase issues come from the same exact guitar take and then having some delay/latency on one of the tracks in relation to the other one.

[@geoazakura9297]

I need a Mikko2 pedal like tonex pedal!!!

[@mlsoundlab]

That would be pretty powerful for sure, thanks for the suggestion! -Kai

[@inspiringminds7284]

Hey Mikko, can you use this to Tone match and then export that to the FM9 for example?

[@mlsoundlab]

You can export IRs from the MIKKO2 plugin and load them into most modellers that accept IRs - I believe you'll need to convert them to .syx using CabLab to import them into the Fractal FM9 💪 -Kai

[@tristanw7408]

I kinda love the reverse phase sound lol. absolutely sickening.

[@JedrekRyker]

okay... Mikko is making it really hard to not buy everything he puts out... XD