God of Old Testament the SAME as the New Testament?

[@Neceros]

🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:05 *📜 Distinction between the Bible's content and its teachings is crucial when interpreting difficult Old Testament passages.* 02:00 *⚖️ Marcion's view, which separates the Old and New Testament gods, is rejected as overly simplistic and problematic.* 02:47 *🔄 Marcion believed the Old Testament's God was a "fallen" god, and this view still influences some modern biblical scholarship.* 05:09 *🏫 Iranaeus' Divine pedagogy sees the Bible as a gradual revelation, with God educating Israel through history, eventually culminating in the revelation of Christ.* 06:05 *🌞 Iranaeus compares biblical revelation to teaching children at different stages, starting with simple concepts and growing to deeper truths.* 09:01 *✨ Old Testament violence could reflect Israel's immature understanding of God's power, which is fully revealed through the love of Christ on the cross.* 13:07 *⚖️ Augustine and Aquinas' Divine Justice approach sees God as the giver and taker of life, justifying violence in the Old Testament as part of divine punishment.* 15:02 *⚖️ God's use of secondary causes, like the Israelite army, is seen as a way to express His justice, using human agents to carry out His will.* 17:04 *📖 The Allegorical approach, led by Origen, interprets violent Old Testament passages as symbolic of spiritual struggles rather than literal historical events.* 19:08 *🐑 Origen believes the Bible should be read through the lens of Christ's crucifixion, with Old Testament violence symbolizing the church's battle against evil.* 21:24 *🛡️ Allegorical readings view figures like Joshua as symbols of Christ and the church fighting spiritual forces, urging complete eradication of evil.* 23:41 *🔪 Allegorical approach emphasizes the need to fully confront and eliminate evil, using the story of Saul's failure to illustrate incomplete spiritual warfare.* 24:20 *📖 Bishop Barron emphasizes interpreting the Bible through the lens of Jesus, ensuring a consistent understanding across both the Old and New Testaments.* 24:46 *🕊️ Origin's allegorical method helps make sense of troubling Bible passages, like Psalm 137:9, by viewing them symbolically rather than literally.* 25:14 *🤔 Psalm 137:9, which speaks of violence against children, is interpreted allegorically as representing the need to eradicate sinful beginnings before they grow.* 26:09 *🪨 Jesus is the "Rock" in the allegorical interpretation of Psalm 137:9, symbolizing the need to crush sin through Christ to prevent it from developing.* 26:37 *⚖️ Psalm 137:9 reflects the "eye for an eye" mentality, but Jesus' teaching reinterprets justice, urging forgiveness and love for enemies instead of retaliation.* 27:32 *💡 The Bible's raw emotions are descriptive of human feelings and not prescriptive of God's actions, requiring interpretation through Jesus' teachings to avoid misapplications.* Made with HARPA AI

[@johnduffy6546]

I like how Bishop Barron balances the 'old' trains of thought and the 'new' trains of thought...The universe is all about balance

[@creativeminds3220]

The almighty God understands my and your needs in the moment of time and tge time to come..... God knows your desires and intentions as you live God's Life Purpose which you choose to live in this lifetime...... Spiritual continuous growth consists of living healing and self awareness of all God's creation as a reflection in salvation of souls who have forsaken their desire of discovery the God within themselves as a spiritual force to growth in faith....... Jezu Ufamy Tylko Tobie Chwała Tobie Boże Żywy ❤Jezusa

[@donhaddix3770]

absolutely the same,, loving and just.

[@SibleySteve]

I am a protestant coming to see the beauty of Mary and the church fathers as the anti-dote to gnosticism, marcionism, etc.

[@andrewformosa7844]

Excellent. I perceive that each of these 3 meathods to address violence in the old testament are quite valuable, especially when applied together, (rather than apart), because each of these meathods takes a different perspective upon the one essence of truth. With Iraneus, i would emphasize our slowness to learn, and our simplicity of thought as learners -- rather viewing it as a deliberate intention of God to teach slowly. Rather, we receive teaching slowly, and we struggle to conceptualize truth from within our broken understanding the world.. God as the teacher of his truth, is mercifcully bringing his teachings to an audience that, in its pride, assumes to understand, but infact struggles to do away with the sin which blinds. it is through time and growth that humans progressively come to understand truth, just as a learner gradually comes to understand anything. It is therefore a product of our slowness to growth, and attachment to sin, that violence occurs in the course of enlightenment through Judeo-Christian thought. With the second meathod, we acknowledge that indeed we all die, and we do not have the authority to take life, but God as the giver of life creates all things and he alone is justified when taking to himself what he has created. In view of eternal life, (asumming one has faith) the death of all things, earth, the solar system, each plant, tree and creature, is but a temporal expression of a stage of a greater life, here and now existing at its birth.. in other words, with life considered as being potential eternal and beyond time, this moment in creation is a time from which we can be selected when God chooses in his wisdom. With original sin understood (with some profundity) as the rejection of God by man, we can see how it is not morally wrong for any creation to come to an end once its fullness of purpose has come .. the second meathod is again useful, but it requires maturity in interpretation, else it can lead to mis-attributing the power of God to ones-own-hand, as a bringer of his justice. Empowering our own judgments as the judgements of God would be a grave interpretive risk... I sounds like The third meathod of Origen is like an overaching epose of the underlying message.. that each example of violence in the old testament is an example of how we can get things terribly wrong when we dont first obey Gods first commandments, to love him with all our body soul and might, and the second which is no less. That is to love each other. Jesus Christ demonstrates the way. With non violece, sin and death can be concurred, and allows us to see the deeper teaching/meaning in each story of the Old Testament. We can learn from our cycles of mistakes, documented for our sake. We can look and find what we are to learn, and see what these examples of us getting it wrong look like. .. then we can see the example of Christ, and the way is made known.

[@EllsworthBucey]

Hi grasp, Bishop bearings approaches to understanding some of these passages in the Old Testament but as you read along, how do you differentiate between what is allegorical and what is reality?

[@patrickdennis4046]

The way to battle evil is with love, if you know Christ it is pretty obvious. Evil is the absence of love, absence of relationship, absence of belief in dignity in oneself and others. Christ said don't resist evil, bring love to it, Christ will set up his church in Hell. I don't know why Bishop Barron flip flops so much. He starts out saying Christ absorbs all the evil to conquer it, then sees Divine Justice as having validity, which Christ would totally disagree with saying those who take up their sword will die by the sword. I think he needs to get to know Jesus more. Religion wants to believe in love to a point, not to the extent Christ did.

[@tomgreene1843]

The N T gives witness to a new Revelation.

[@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk]

@tjseaney_ This was a most interesting video. I appreciate very much your comments, which make a lot of sense. I would also like to add my two cents. The whole of Scripture is consistent. “God is good, all the time.” He is perfectly just, He is perfectly merciful. It is God who determines what is right and wrong, good and evil. The sin of Adam and Eve was their desire to appropriate the power to decide for themselves what is right and wrong, good and evil, and that desire has been at the root of all sin, ever since. Whatever the Lord did throughout the Scriptural history of His chosen people, it was consistently His merciful and just response to the Covenant promises, which the people continually disobeyed, but to which the Lord was always faithful. The Lord promised the land to Abraham and his descendants through Isaac, the child of the Promise, ie the “Promised Land.” God is always dependable to keep His Promise. His promise is irrevocable, as St. Paul says in Romans 11. In the case of the Promised Land, the people, for their part, have to fight for it, because the Land is occupied by others, ie, “the enemy.” Similarly, Christians have to fight to conquer the enemy - the flesh, the world, and the devil. St. Paul talks about beating his body into submission, and struggling against his inclination to do what he doesn’t wish, and to neglect doing what he does wish. Catholics call this tendency “concupiscence.” Jesus, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, God incarnate, has promised us Heaven, but we have to fight for it, by struggling against our desire to appropriate the power of deciding for ourselves what’s right and wrong, struggling against the seven deadly sins, struggling to attain virtue. By His self-sacrificing love, Jesus our Redeemer has won for us the grace to be able to succeed in this struggle. This grace is most readily available to us through the Sacraments, in particular through the Eucharist, which is the Blood of the Covenant, the New and Everlasting Covenant, the Seal of God’s Promise of Resurrection and Eternal Life with Him.

[@h20bp]

OT: anthropomorphic God. NT: God reveals Himself as Himself (Son of God, Son of David, Son of Man)

[@Jack-il3qv]

God's Perfection is not at fault. (Requires thought..)

[@rebeccaadsett]

What about Matthew I think resist not evil???? What context is this???

[@creativeminds3220]

Matthew 5:39 When God saves souls those who see tge light of Jesus Christ become the key to salvation of souls that cannot see the light of God...... Great questions brother never settle on knowledge as God is the best teacher of them all providing answers to those who long for God's TRUTH and Lord's Unconditional Love in Divine Mercy...... Jezu Ufamy Tylko Tobie Chwała Tobie Boże Żywy ❤Jezusa

[@mick1gallagher]

Who is God, you know very well it's the pretty Timothy Dolon you're man hugging friend

[@michaeltischuk7972]

@@creativeminds3220 dziekuje bardzo!

[@creativeminds3220]

@michaeltischuk7972 Bóg z tobą zawsze I wszędzie a autentyczność Boża jest w zasięgu ręki dla tych którzy zaufali Bogu życiem nie pierwszy już raz.....The almighty God will provide us always only with as much as we can handle in this moment of time to save our fragile logic and broken heart..... Keep on asking God himself as God holds all of the answers that nobody else is able to provide..... Jezu Ufamy Tylko Tobie Chwała Tobie Boże Żywy 🌟💔Jezusa

[@quinn-tessential3232]

Can't help but wonder if the writers of the Old Testament intended for their writings to be considered "allegorical." Probably depends. Does the Church have an opinion on which parts of the Old Testament story are allegorical and which parts are intended to be historically accurate? I think that all of Genesis is allegory. That would mean the story of Adam & Eve and the Garden of Eden is fiction, as is the tale of Cain and Abel. It would also mean that Abraham didn't REALLY drag his son up the mountain to murder him on God's orders. That story's message is that obedience to God takes precedence over all things. (In reality, hearing voices that tell you to kill your son means you're having a psychotic episode!)

[@KenT-d7u]

Allegorize (which begs the question whats the point) the bad incorrect ridiculous parts and anything to do with jesus is literal.

[@Oneffunes]

Psalms 137:4. How shall we sing the LORD'S song in a strange land? Wise virgins, you can’t sing the Lord‘s song in a strange land? Now, where is the strange land? Psalms 137:7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof. Wise virgins, when is the day of Jerusalem? It is in this new time, of the dispensation in The Spirit Of Truth, and the only way they can rise evenly from the unconscious to consciousness, is in the sand of the unconscious. Wise virgins, psalms 137:8 happy shall he be. Wise virgins, psalms 137:9 happy shall he be. These represent an established time of happiness, for the Wise virgins. Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Wise virgins, who are thy little ones? And who is the stones? Thy little ones, are not talking about biological children! And the stones are not talking about petrology in the physical sense. Welcome to the dispensation of The Spirit Of Truth.

[@bernalsilva]

What I find amazing is why do we need the bible isn't Jesus the bible isn't God the bible you either believe or not.

[@mashah1085]

So the "pro-life" God of the New Testament, is the same God who ordered the deliberate murder of children and actual born babies in 1st Samuel 15:3 ?

[@peterroberts4509]

The God of the Old Testament is like a silly old uncle you pull out of the cupboard to prove Christianity is monotheistic.

[@BLEEP-1]

I have read that comment elsewhere, and you didn't post it. In the future, try to be an original fool.😉

[@peterroberts4509]

@BLEEP-1 it was probably my post. I may not be very foolish, but I certainly am original.

[@mick1gallagher]

Who is god, you know very well its the pretty Timothy Dolon youre man hugging friend