God of War 5 Ragnarok - Kratos Warns ODIN Of The Kratos From Greece (4K 60FPS) PS5

God of War 5 Ragnarok Kratos tells Odin he does not want to unleash the God Kratos was, referring to young Kratos from Greece
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[@jonwilliams320]

Am I the only one who herd a slight hint of fear in oden's voice after kratos said that

[@KruggKruscherp]

Would've subbed until you boasted about how you're supposedly the biggest GoW channel on youtube, think I'll take my watch time elsewhere as well.

[@Tribrid-zv3nq]

​@@KruggKruscherp yeah, he's posted this on other GOW videos and it was a huge turn off for others

[@marikasdaughter6263]

"biggest on youtube" LOL someone thinks highly of themselves... I doubt you're even within the top 10 biggest.

[@umeshbasnet9375]

god of war channel say no more!

[@ogfloatzel4025]

"What kind of God is that, Kratos?" "R3+L3"

[@adad87821]

suddenly a circle appeared above odins head

[@cooldog8580]

☠

[@Oooyessbro]

*L3+R3

[@CaptainCJ97]

Lmao

[@bookle5829]

oooooooooo oh sorry, my bad

[@xannylennox]

“Return my son or you may meet the God I once was” had no business being the coldest line in the game

[@HunterTracks]

I mean, "Death can have me when it earns me" contests that title.

[@xannylennox]

@@HunterTracks very true

[@iphishedu9442]

I mean death couldn’t even earn him. Thanatos tried it and god smacked around for picking on Deimos. That old God of War was an on sight kind of guy. He wanted all the smoke and came in heavy

[@dafaadhamrizqi8028]

@@iphishedu9442 like he said in GoW 3 "the hands of death cannot defeat me, the sisters of fates cannot hold me, and you will not see the end of this day, I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE"

[@squashmallow2006]

That wasn't a threat. That was a promise.

[@AngryNerdBird]

"You don't care about mortals. You don't care about anything beyond yourself, beyond the monster who kills without cause. You fear what you can never even hope to understand." Odin, if you were projecting any harder, you'd be a movie theater.

[@EggsEzz]

Every villain is a shrink nowadays.

[@bat_mobile7545]

He became a litteral tragic opera theatre.

[@bossofall98]

Dayum, I'll have to remember that one

[@boundbyhonor8382]

@@EggsEzz Odin is an OG villain

[@W.M.O.]

I mean that's his manipulating strategy. Earlier in the game, the manipulation strategies had no effect on kratos, but by this time he found out what the weak spots: atreus hating him, and his self perception as a monster, his memory being one of a destroyer. Best part is, Odin indeed doesn't care about that type of godhood, but he figures kratos does

[@A_Swarm_of_Waspcrabs]

2:00 I think the minute Odin calls Atreus the key to peace, Kratos snaps because it's a callback to Pandora being the key to killing Zeus. The insinuation is that Atreus may die in his quest to help Odin like Pandora did.

[@Troop3r666]

Except Pandora sacrificed herself or at least attempted to until Kratos caught her. Zeus then brought up Kratos' past failures including his family, causing him to lose control, let go of Pandora and attack Zeus.

[@kistertheartist]

​@@Troop3r666 i guess factoring that in, Kratos hates the very notion of someone being worth nothing more than a pawn in the chess game of fate. And the fact in this case its his own son, one of the last remnants of his family is the one being called a key just makes it worse

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

The pandora storyline was really the most twisted part of GOWIII. Pandora is NOT a child, because the point of children is they grow up eventually. Pandora was created the age she is, and will stay like that forever. She just has a charming, innocent personality. And Kratos is so broken he extends no thought whatsoever to the actual flesh and blood humans screaming and dying around him, but feels deeply for the child-shaped doll who can never change. Hes really turned himself inside out.

[@horrorlover927]

Odin sees his children as tools ... not actual people

[@Ironsharpensiron89]

Ooo good catch.

[@jefthereaper]

"Has anyone every prayed to you?" Yeah all the soldiers who fought in his name, and all the foes who he was about to slay.

[@N2Deep00]

Kratos: Praying or begging for your life, all the same to me

[@parkermaisterra8532]

I'm having massive flashbacks to the Last Spartan from GOW 2.

[@kelsosworld3239]

Im tryna tell yah odin need to shut the hell up 💯

[@ed6852]

Lol wasn’t there some major dialogue at the end of god of war one where everyone prayed to him and he oversaw all battles going into the future?

[@vladimirdragonov3138]

@@ed6852 yes

[@dakidd455]

“That boy of ours” Odin was just pushing Kratos buttons 😂😂

[@LET4M4RU]

He's really a good manipulative prick. He knows how to perfectly tickle all the wrong spots to trigger every single atom in Kratos' body. He says he wants peace, but deep down we know he just wishes for war

[@Dezzy_orSplotch]

Odin was just tryna click the L3+R3 buttons for Kratos

[@holliswilliams8426]

that made my skin crawl

[@santiagobarratt-boyes5558]

@@LET4M4RU he doesn’t really want war because he is scared of kratos but if he had the chance he would kill him I mean he already wasted 2 grandchildren and his son at the task

[@maroon_le6681]

@@LET4M4RU More like doesn’t care about having war as long as he has unlimited knowledge.

[@TheRealOGnick]

That “I know” from kratos is probably the softest he’s ever spoken and it was so perfect. The amount of trust and love between mimir and kratos in this game was amazing

[@lewismartin3430]

The honour of softest thing kratos has ever said goes to the "I know" when he's taking the blades of chaos back

[@ttbsnagz4576]

@@lewismartin3430 he said it with so much pain but man when he said “ but I am know longer your monster “ it hit me because this time he’s using his blades of chaos to the right thing and that was to safe his son

[@Christian-97]

He sounded like a completely different person. (Not a bad thing btw)

[@mike90susanoo84]

Prolly the most patient too

[@D.H.1082]

He has come a long, long way from the Ghost of Sparta. Not only mastering his body, he has mastered his mind.

[@gamingnerd0348]

One thing I loved about this scene is that Kratos is a very different person, but isn't afraid to revert back if it is needed. He is no longer the same hateful, vengeful person he once was, but he is willing to bring it back if it means his son gets to live. Watching him grow from the god killer he once was and back to a caring father, it would feel far more terrifying if he ever reverted back to his old self, especially with his mastered rage.

[@kierangidda8840]

I personally love Greek kratos a killer of their own making, forced to kill them all or receive eternal suffering

[@maximillian875]

I hope the developers see this and make it happen. I’m sure they would want a terrified reaction from fans.

[@volmaaraldovahkiin5346]

@@maximillian875 I WAS kind of hoping we'd get Kratos going full Ghost of Sparta for a bit. I figured they'd have Atreus seemingly get "killed" and have Kratos go apeshit. I wanted to see the Norse gods fear him, realizing that they should have never pushed him so far, before Atreus reappears and calms him down, much like Kratos calmed Atreus down when he turned into a bear to attack Freya. Eh, maybe the next game in the series. I did kinda especially want Freya to get a glimpse of exactly how terrifying Kratos could be, because that'd make for a lot of interesting dialogue afterwards. And Atreus as well. Kratos doesn't get THAT detailed about what he did in Greece, either, so it'd be interesting to hear more stories and see their reactions to stories about him. Tyr mentions he knows his name (the real Tyr you find in the epilogue content), but nothing has come of that yet...

[@ericbelander2319]

2 times he was almost there. 1. The end of the 1st thor fight, before thor skedaddles, kratos goes more white and is breathing heavy. 2. When he was bashing Heimdall's face in.

[@ShivamSengupta]

“Do what is necessary, not because it is written”

[@natebabb844]

“Return my son or you may meet the god I once was” I got chills!!

[@axelreboot8475]

It would have be better if he said and you will not be very happy if you have to meet the God I once was to add extra menace to his threat

[@deadspace_658]

"The hands of death could not defeat me, the sisters of fate could not hold me, and you will not see the end of this day!"

[@Typanoid]

@@axelreboot8475 I think that was implied by his tone of voice. I also think Odin took the hint.

[@axelreboot8475]

@@Typanoid some people only learn the hard way especially in case Odin doesn't consider Kratos a actual threat since he thinks he is The smartest and wise of all Nordic gods and since he is basically narcissist that only makes him more smug and arrogant

[@timeportal2859]

It would be savage if he said. " Return my son, or you will meet the All father and Gods That I killed in my on realm".

[@TheRoguePumpkin]

Odin: "Has anyone every prayed to you?" The Last Spartan: "I have faith that our brothers of Sparta will live on through the true God of War."

[@jornavyr2459]

That's not really a prayer, and Kratos wasn't the true God of War. That was Ares.

[@Nam3less2U]

@@jornavyr2459 In god of war 2 he was wtf are you talking about the throne was his reward basically even though he wanted the memories of his wife and child gone but he took the throne anyway

[@AdoptedPoo]

@@jornavyr2459 he killed ares and the gods made him the god of war.

[@NewNecro]

@@jornavyr2459 Why would the Last Spartan announce loyalty to a deposed god while risking his life to deliver the message of Sparta's fall to Kratos?

[@Steampunk_Kak]

@@jornavyr2459 the whole thing was about him becoming the new god of war, you never played them huh?

[@igglywompus]

It's so interesting to see how many angles Odin attempts to manipulate Kratos with. He fails to bribe him, play his ego, enrage him, scare him, or crush his confidence. He can't even physically intimidate Kratos because he probably can't kill him 1 on 1. The only leverage he has is Loki. It is SO satisfying to see an oppressive, lying tyrant fail to bully someone.

[@Freethinker_94]

Good observation

[@joshuamcjoshuamc3231]

Odin can kill kratos one on one no problem problem is he won't he's a talker like a mob boss they have all the power and yet they let someone do their deeds or try to talk their way out of it doesn't make them less powerful makes them smarter

[@lord23_80]

​@@joshuamcjoshuamc3231odin can only "defeat" kratos. That too if kratos keeps going his no rage route. Odin wont be able to kill kratos if kratos actually goes all out. Heck, kratos might as well become the new ragnarok if his inner beast gets released.

[@Caught1nTh3Crossfire]

​@@joshuamcjoshuamc3231 Odin flat out says that if he doesnt return to Asgard, Atreus will be harmed. Odin himself knew he would lose and took precautions to ensure Kratos wouldnt attack. Hell, Odins fear of Kratos is shown on countless occassions too. Given his history, if Odin wasn't scared, he would have never visited Kratos to talk near the very start of the game.

[@Coconut-eb6ue]

​@@joshuamcjoshuamc3231and kratos died many times, but zeus couldn't stop him

[@pen0neth]

I love Odin’s, “Do they not have metaphor in your homeland?” The irony. Because yes, they did have metaphors in Greece. The word and concept are derived from Greek… μεταφορά (metaphorá) literally means "transference (of ownership)" which is why it’s used to refer to one thing by mentioning another. The story, dialogue, and character development in this game are truly outstanding,

[@holliswilliams8426]

haha nice

[@teyrncousland7152]

They did have metaphors in Greece, but not in Sparta. The Spartans were direct and on the point, with as little words as possible.

[@tiagorodrigues179]

And the answer is no, they did not have, "Greece" didnt exist yet, spartans were known to be a very direct and "few words" people, they were direct and small talk, Just like kratos, the old kratos (Greece mythology) was "wrong" since you can see he speaks a lot, the same for the Last spartan.

[@TheHeston83]

well at least Odin understands that Norse Mythology is Gigachad of any Mythology

[@ryanarment5393]

​@Teyrn Cousland a spartan general sent a message back to the Gerousia, the council which ruled under the kings. It said "city taken". They fined him for excessive wording. They said "taken" would have sufficed.

[@Jampolo_OG]

"You don't care about mortals. You don't care about anything beyond yourself. You fear what you can never even hope to understand." He's projecting

[@Snakeskin94]

Odin was such a good damn villian The Egyptian Gods or wherever they go next, are gonna have a high bar to leap.

[@florencejohnpaclibar.1b872]

@@Snakeskin94 from what I read isn't the Egyptians mostly good guys who does their job? God I hope they don't make Anubis a villain though

[@Jampolo_OG]

@@florencejohnpaclibar.1b872 What about Set, or Apep?

[@florencejohnpaclibar.1b872]

@@Jampolo_OG Set vs kratos would be epic. Though I have a feeling its Atreus who will travel to Egypt since Kratos would be busy rebuilding the nine realm

[@mycelium1456]

@@Snakeskin94 yep Odin might have to take the top spot for my fav character in this game.

[@rafhaelquerijero1146]

Mimir just casually boosted Kratos' self-esteem after Odin left. He's the embodiment of that one friend that's always by your side regardless the situation.

[@LucrassKelvac]

I mean, he kinda doesn't have a choice but to be at his side no matter the situation. :P He is there through all the hits, sits, and farts. xD!

[@jornavyr2459]

Mimir the master manipulator. Ohhhh wait I mean....mimir the broseph 😂

[@rcr5553]

literally by his side

[@vadandrumist1670]

Pun not intended?

[@redsnow727]

Except that he doesn’t have a body.

[@skokilla]

2:25 This exchange here I think is the first time in a LONG time or ever, Odin has been confronted with someone who has been able to see through the silver tongue while also having the strength, power, and credibility to back up the threats. Odin knows how strong Kratos is and that if Kratos went all out and Odin wasn't in a prime situation he would lose. You can see very briefly after Kratos' statement Odin sways back but doesn't fully step back. Odin is rattled but knows enough manipulation to be aware of his body language. It's also the only time I think that Odin's speech pattern really changes, usually everything he says flows, even if he has pauses in it but in response to Kratos here it seems like a lump forms in his throat that he has to swallow down before returning back to his usual self.

[@trickm0nkey]

100% agree I noticed he was rattled but tried immediately to hide it

[@Zythus07]

You also have to add as well that Kratos is pretty much the embodiment of Odin's worst nightmares. Like, you learn of a prophecy that Ragnarok is coming, your death is imminent, and the God of war will lead the opposing army against you. Ok, we lock away Tyr, kill off all the giants, and murder any and all opposition. Mission accomplished, time to sip a cocktail. Then here comes this foreign God of war who has done the very thing you're terrified of: murder an entire pantheon single handedly. A God killer. Someone who is far worse than the Tyr you just locked away. Fimbulwinter comes to confirm those fears. Members of your family are getting killed one by one (some previously thought to be unkillable). And your attempts to kill, reason, or manipulate him all failed.

[@aslyn8943]

@@Zythus07 You hit that nail very squarely on the head. Bravo.

[@PoeticElysium]

@@Zythus07 Also Odin knows Kratos' story and knows he dealing with a man who defied DEATH, the one thing Odin absolutely is afraid of, to the point that he treated the gates of the Underworld like a revolving door. As clever as Odin is, he knows he cannot match the sheer Willpower that Kratos wields.

[@jmerridew124]

Good read. Odin has no tools for Kratos and everything he tries only seems to make it worse. Kratos really is the worst kind of wild card to someone like Odin who's trying to avoid Ragnarok. All he had to do was *not fuck with Kratos.* That's all. It's amazing how determinedly he fucked this up.

[@lucashampton6269]

I love the way Odin was handled in this game. We know how evil he is. But when Atreus goes to Asgard, the front he puts on is so convincing, I found myself starting to question if Odin was just misunderstood the whole time. I had to keep reminding myself of all the awful things he's done. That's some good writing.

[@dps0610]

I was so taken aback by Saprano’s side character Odin that I couldn’t really take him seriously at first. But he got better and better every time he was on screen.

[@umbranscythe5067]

It hit wayy too close to home for me, reminded me of my ex-stepmother and the damage she did to me.

[@Sheenifier]

A master manipulator

[@umbranscythe5067]

@@Sheenifier no fugin kidding

[@garrettjackson1451]

Indeed, throughout the game I had to remind myself not to trust him and the awful things he has done mentioned in the 2018 game

[@Enlightenken]

Me just realizing the only reason kratos didn't turn to face Odin when his back wide open is because Mimir was watching his back and it also shows how he trusts him

[@thatonedumbass3226]

Yeah, I didn't even think of that 🤣that's funny asf

[@Jeremiah_D.]

Love these small details on how much Kratos and Mimirs relationship has grown. That's what I was hoping to see in this game

[@finnheisenheim8274]

Who needs eyes on the back of your head when you have a living severed head watching your back.

[@primeofthejustices7127]

@Oren Black well both ideas is good tho

[@trygullx]

hell even if he didnt trust mimir he knows damn well that his hate for odin far outweighs his hate for anything else

[@UnitedAssassinRevolution]

When Odin faced Kratos' back he doesn't turn around cause Mimir sees Odin That shows how much Kratos trusts Mimir. They really are Brothers

[@hitnrun66]

I was just about to say something similar. Underrated comment.

[@Its_Cannon]

Brothers who stand back to back, can never fall.

[@smp279]

What Is Odin going to do to kratos realistically Give him a papercut

[@RinRin72769]

​@@smp279You did not have to do him like that lmao

[@noname77404]

Oh damn, so true. Good catch brother

[@Kobukseon]

I love the final dialogue between Odin and Kratos. When it becomes clear to the All-Father that this former Greek God won't fall for any of Odin's tricks, he starts to lose control of himself, trying to verbally tear into Kratos by citing his stoic and steadfastness as proof of how little he cares for mortal life, but Kratos holds his ground and doesn't talk back. He simply looks at him as a soldier holding the line, proving his discipline over himself greater than the King of Asgard.

[@hurricane7727]

In Marvel Fear Itself ( Even if Marvel Versions are Modern Day Versions and Different than Myth Versions) Thor Cares More For Mortals than Odin and In that Event they even Fight each Other at some Point.

[@idk_p]

Ironic really he cares for control yet he can't control himself

[@T57Custodian]

I always thought the little shudder in odins voice after kratos says you may meet the god I once was. Was out of fear, he knows full well what kratos is capable of

[@MajinBuusni]

​@@hurricane7727 thanks for bringing up marvel, which we all know is THE norse mythos.

[@hurricane7727]

@@MajinBuusni Thats a Parallel Between Marvel Odin and Gow Odin. Both dont care for mortals as Much as Thor does( Myth Thor cares for mortals which is weird that Gow Version doesnt Show this Trait)

[@blastthechaos6083]

"Have you imagined that kind of love?" Well Sparta, his first wife, his daughter, Orkos, his mother, Athena at first, Zeus at the beginning (at least if you squint hard), his brother when he was a kid and after Kratos saved him as an adult and Pandora certainly think that yes, he was loved

[@Kkmessing]

I wouldn’t say Sparta loved him, they loved how ruthless he was and they loved how he won their wars, as for Zeus and Athena I don’t think they truly loved him either just an ends to a means, as for everyone that checks out 😂😂😂😂😂

[@blastthechaos6083]

@@Kkmessing Sparta loved him before he went full "Murder everything on sight" He was in the beginning of GOWII, especially cause he's an Spartan that became the God Of War. Athena did love him, she only became the way she was because of the great evils locked in Pandora's box (which she was somewhat aware of in the novels) and in the novels she outright fully intended to erase the memories of his past before Zeus went "nah", her using Kratos from the beginning is only headcanon Zeus did love Kratos when he was born which is why he spared him according to Hera and Zeus himself, again it's only if you squint since it's pity rather than actually full love but it's there

[@ishowbiq]

@@Kkmessing Zeus loved him enough to spare him when Hera first called for his death. Back when Kratos was a baby.

[@animationcity8178]

I think also Zeus at the end (like the very end) There was a scrapped part that Zeus was supposed to say (I’m sorry) after the black smoke (evil powers: Zeus’s was fear)

[@DS-wl5pk]

@@Kkmessing idk what ur on about, the Spartans did love him. Do you not remember the last Spartan? Even after his own god accidentally kills him, he doesn’t blame him. Kratos is even a little distraught at it, hell did you not see his face when Zeus killed them all WITH HIS OWN POWER at the beginning of GOW2?

[@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite]

"Has anyone ever prayed to you?" First, Kratos took the place of a much maligned god of war, to the point that Spartans brought down statues of Ares with glee. Second, he was considered a father to his people. Third, when Zeus attacked Sparta, people PRAYED to him so that he could save them from Mr. Hey, You, Get Off My Cloud. For being so aware of Kratos' reputation, Odin is an awful liar.

[@crackerjack9660]

Is that a Hercules reference?

[@Supperdude9]

...He's feeding into Kratos' self doubt. Kratos feels like he's failed his people. Odin is feeding into that. Odin knows more about Kratos than he lets on. He knows exactly what he's saying, and he's not an awful liar. He's an excellent one, telling it when Kratos doesn't want to hear it.

[@akaneriyun4774]

@@Supperdude9 he's a good manipulator but an awful liar. He's always lying or telling half-truths---that makes it easy to know not to believe a single syllable out of him.

[@DjuraValtr]

Odin just trying to gaslight Kratos 😂

[@NoirRaven]

@@Supperdude9 he is an awful liar because not only does his argument ring hollow, but it's full of projection. Odin's the one who kills without reason.

[@RebelWvlf]

1:31 - I love how, as Odin says how he wants peace with Kratos, the camera is panning towards spears behind him, implying his actual intentions with Kratos. And when Mimir actually states that he is lying, Odin takes blacksmith tongs and approaches Mimir as if he is deep down pissed at him for snitching on him and wants to torture Mimir once again. It's these artistic details that make the entire dialogue so good and complete.

[@MYSTICKNIGHT23]

That’s amazing 🔥🔥🔥 I thought he got tongs because he wanted to take out mimirs tongue

[@immortalweapon]

@@MYSTICKNIGHT23 My artsy fartsy idea was he was refering to Atreus as a tool cause thats who he was talking about while holding it.

[@K3164N]

The writers were in their bag with this game. So many little moments like this make the game all the better.

[@stygiandragon3865]

@@immortalweapon And when he said Atreus could break free of fate and prophecy, he threw the tong away, indicating that Atreus' usefulness is over by then. I love this scene so much

[@danielvictor3262]

Damn brother you got a good eye

[@MudaGameStudio]

It’s incredible that Odin is so charming in this game. The actor does a stunning performance, and that’s what I love about it. I feel like so many series have a character or an antagonist that people say “don’t be charmed by him! Be careful!” And then you meet the character and they’re just a sad, wet sack of a person. But Odin genuinely seems like that most of the time he is like a swindling uncle that you somehow like despite the fact he’d abandon you at the drop of a hat. This game playing around with these familiar characters and giving them a new perspective is truly fantastic to see.

[@holliswilliams8426]

I know some people didn't like Odin, but I thought it was a perfect performance of a charming charismatic manipulator.

[@Summersong2262]

Richard Schiff is an absolute master. It's funny, because a lot of Odin's mannerisms and vocal ticks remind me so much of Toby Zeigler from The West Wing, but like, as a mask, not his actual deeper personality. He's just a funny little man with a silly hat to start with. And the way he pretends to turn around the wrong way when Heimdal moves to his blind side, or when Thor sneaks up on him! He presents himself so disarmingly.

[@erichall090909]

Richard Schiff is an incredible actor. I was so excited to hear they got him into this. He did it for his son

[@ProWalter2]

He's got that "sleazy car salesman/business-person" charm, like he will lie and cheat you out of your money in any way possible and do it with a friendly voice and a smile on his face.

[@Nai-qk4vp]

​@@Summersong2262Perfectly put. His mannerisms and his way of speaking are less what you would expect of a god and much more of a corrupt politician. Or a sleazy used car salesman.

[@boba-pool3145]

The subtle details in this game are amazing. The way Odin insults Thor and gets right in his face when he does so but here, when he's trying to undermine Kratos, he keeps a small distance fully knowing that he has no control over him.

[@OhNoTheFace]

Shame no O button popped up

[@generalalduin9548]

Odin may be a monster, but damn is he a good manipulator. The soft voice, the gentle demeanor, appealing to Kratos desire for peace, trying to form a connection with Kratos through Atreus, apologizing after taking a jab at Kratos, and finally appealing to Kratos’ wish to be a better person. This is some top tier manipulation.

[@jonathancampbell5231]

Not really. He's far too shifty, nervous, passive-aggressive, insulting. He doesn't really achieve anything by this apart from a not great attempt to get in Kratos' head, all in the presence of a former employee he once tied to a tree. A real master manipulator wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. Odin is not consistent- on some occasions (fake Tyr) he's oustanding and you don't see him coming; on others (with other Asgardians) he's blunt and rude and belittling and it's only because they're all equally insecure and flawed that none of the Aesir hadn't smashed his head in with a rock centuries ago, with his manipulation of Atreus being somewhere in-between (the fact that he needs Atreus for translation and nothing else despite ages of research says it all really). Odin is probably being totally sincere here when he says he wants peace- he's just his own worst enemy and can't help pissing people off or blaming everyone for minor failures, and he rules by pitting people more powerful than himself against each other and breaking down their egos with years and years of psychological abuse. He's not charismatic and he doesn't have much of a master plan; he is good at "getting" people on his side but very bad at "keeping" them there. Everything in Asgard falls apart precisely because all of his petty manipulations fail and come crashing down around him and he didn't have anything else to offer

[@VolfKami]

If he was a good manipulator with top tier manipulation you wouldn't spot his BS until you've dug your way down into a pit and started drowning in it, you can smell his BS as it leaves his mouth.

[@taddad2641]

@@jonathancampbell5231 he is incapable of being sincere. just cause he could get peace now, doesn't mean he wouldn't do something later to prevent kratos from being a threat to him.. through whatever way he needs to. Flattery, murder, or magic.

[@kevenmonge1390]

Odin is an asshole for everything that he did to Mimir, Tyr, Freya and the Valkyries I’m glad that he got what he deserved

[@brandanmentch]

@@jonathancampbell5231 idk man, even from my chair perspective he’s a bit convincing, I only just know he’s a bad person because I know the plot. But damn put me in a position where I know jack shit about what’s going on and I’d almost think odins lines are true and of good intent

[@Christopher-md7tf]

One of the things that surprised me most in this game was the portrayal of Odin, but it is absolutely genius. As another comment here says: Master manipulator. A true psycho who can put up a friendly and approachable front but really cares about nothing and nobody else but himself, not even his own family, and will stop at nothing to achieve his own goals.

[@Huda88754]

Yeah he was a great movie/cut scene villain, game wise? Not so much really didn’t do anything to slow us down and add to actually playing a game sadly , other than nidhogg but that was tailored for freya not kratos and ragnarok

[@noxus158]

@@Huda88754 I agree with all of this. Odin felt lackluster to me

[@iycephoenixx4249]

Like Palpatine

[@Diribssa123]

@@Huda88754 you what would've been cool, make Odin handicap Kratos by taking away one of his weapons or prevent Atreus from helping while fighting.

[@firstlast9846]

Ironically mortals have more freedom than the gods in this world it seems… cos the Gods are born with a prophecy about what they’re destined to do with their lives.. while humans can choose.

[@i_booba]

1:08 "Never much cared for brok..." Goddammit Odin.

[@Dowux]

Now that line aged like a wine.

[@katomamundara8106]

The fact he said he knew Brok's workmanship shoulda been a red flag bigger than a Titan.

[@anonymousbullet7407]

@@katomamundara8106 he already knows of broks talent through making the mjolnir hammer

[@CruzSama]

I always thought he said that because the whole time he was Tyr

[@tobi5988]

@@katomamundara8106 Odin probably knew who Brok and Sindri were already through the making of Mjolnir and a couple of other things, but most importantly Draupnir. This is in no way a sign that he was Tyr in disguise.

[@zextthenomad2916]

1:13 I love how everything Odin does isn't without a plan, start a friendly conversation, get close to the spear. Possibly if touched, would have disenchanted the weapon itself, or apply something for later usage. Everything about odin is a weapon, and he uses it so masterfully.

[@drmoose7233]

yes...well said

[@flowmasterpalmer798]

Gotta say that a very well thought out idea and your probably dead right

[@flowmasterpalmer798]

Should be top comment

[@fionnbarrcasey5247]

That’s… actually pretty damn good suspicion. Good observation. While I personally doubt Odin would actually be able to tamper with the divine nature of the Spear that was forged literally using the God of War (Kratos’)‘s blood, making Kratos its true and only master, it is definitely something Odin would try and do. Given his many times demonstrated tactics of manipulation to lower one’s guard, and exploit any weaknesses possible

[@CherryAnime203]

Can’t let down your guard around Odin for even a second

[@ravenouself4181]

"Has anyone ever worshipped You" The entirety of Sparta: Yes, Yes we have.

[@someguy6959]

That includes all the veteran player who played all GOW games

[@thefacelessquestion3333]

Spartans ,what is your occupation?!?!!!

[@toastx_]

Spartan Hoes: ALL HAIL THE GOD OF WAR

[@sergioplazat3995]

odin :and where are now kratos? where....

[@timeportal2859]

@@sergioplazat3995 Kratos: The King Of The Gods killed them, so I return him the ultimate price "Death" wish is what I'm going to do to you if you keep this up.

[@mrferno86]

It shows Odin’s cunning how he constantly feigns weakness. He hides behind the dwarf with his hands up like Kratos could kill him like a man, but then when he’s actually ready to fight Odin clearly has a ridiculous ammount of physical and magical strength. As sun tzu said, when weak, appear strong and when strong, appear weak

[@HishamA.N_Comicbroe]

Yup exactly... He's always trying to put up a kindly old man facade to everyone even tho he's a huge asshole to his closest family.

[@djrocksgaming6255]

Nah, he didn't want the smoke at Sindri's house either. Mimir outright states that Odin was scared shitless by Kratos' threat.

[@mrferno86]

@@djrocksgaming6255 yeah but it still took the combined might of Freya, Kratos, Mimir and Atreus to take him down

[@omkarpatole9013]

@@mrferno86 for gameplay and narrative reasons yes, but if it were 1v1, hed still die none the less

[@mrferno86]

@@omkarpatole9013 doubt, Odin literally brought Kratos to his knees when he grabbed his head. Kratos dies all the time lmao. He’s a beast for sure but he’s not unstoppable

[@azuraben5128]

I love the soft "I know" from our Kratos at 1:39 in reply to Mimir, such care about the other.

[@chandlercarruthers8115]

I think this is the best looking cutscene ever. The lighting, the environment, the character expressions and the quality of the models. It looks real to me. Bravo

[@bully9373]

"I have faith that our brothers of Sparta will live on through the true God of War." That is more meaningfull than what Odin ever got.

[@church_world_domination9357]

What would be awesome is if there was a final battle with actual army during Ragnarok in this game and of course you have the normal two sides of Ragnarok BUT! LOL a third army's comes into play for kratos an army of Spartan warriors from Hades/Elysium lol then he can look at Odin and say hey if I was such a bad God then why'd all these guys turn up for me!?!?

[@jornavyr2459]

Odin is the leader of an entire pantheon. Even if Odin was also a pedo in GOW world, he'd still have done more for the world than Kratos has.

[@liamerolduffy7738]

@@church_world_domination9357 Maybe something like this can happen in 20 years when they do a remake of the god of war series. Wanna hear the changes I would make to improve it?

[@TheNapster153]

@@church_world_domination9357 this could've been possible with the Blades Of Exile. It called upon the Armaments of Sparta to Kratos' defense.

[@church_world_domination9357]

@@liamerolduffy7738 sure if anything I would make the scale of the games bigger

[@glentiboy2004]

I like how Odin says lifetimes since Kratos has literally climbed out of Hades three times Edit: Shit wasn't expecting that many likes

[@N2Deep00]

He even defeat Thanatos, the God of death

[@bloodangel19]

I think it's because Kratos is 1000 years old

[@HubertKingHebra]

@@bloodangel19 he died 3 times literally, so he said lifetimes

[@abishekv884]

Nice one man

[@twontwon1827]

@@N2Deep00 he actually defeated 3 different forms of death .. the fates , hades , and thanatos which is fucking epic !

[@birdfurnace]

I love the ever-so slight hesitance by Odin after Kratos' one-liner. Odin visibly takes a step back and pauses - it's so brief, but you can see as Odin finally comprehends the God-Killer in front of him

[@LET4M4RU]

I mean, even without knowing Kratos' past...the dude is built like a warehouse, I'd probably shit myself as well if a building-sized man armed to the teeth got close to me making threats

[@jochem12jdj]

I love the progression in this conversation. At first Odin presents himself as unthreatening as possible and speaks about peace, making a few digs but always immediately softening them up or even apologizing. Kratos shows however that Odin’s manipulation isn’t going to work: showing no fear, no hesitation, and even credibly threatening Odin. Odin immediately recognizes he is being backed into a corner and loses his composure a bit, trying to insult Kratos by stating he is still exactly as he was in Greece before immediately leaving, probably because he just realised he has just made even more of an enemy of Kratos, again showing he doesn’t understand who Kratos is now: someone who will only fight when he absolutely must.

[@smileyman1721]

There are 18 woman that lived in Sparta that _definitely_ prayed to him.

[@yudapurwalaksana9483]

Hold up...

[@thehyper4288]

Best comment lol

[@M0rn1ng5tar]

Can somebody please explain the joke? I couldn’t play some of the origin games because they were removed from PS Plus

[@smileyman1721]

@@M0rn1ng5tar Gladly. Kratos fucked dozens of woman at once in Spartan brothels. As well as several woman during his time as a servant of the gods and as the god of war. They're in sex minigames in every title up to God of War Ascension.

[@M0rn1ng5tar]

@@smileyman1721 makes a lot of sense, thank you

[@softservepixels105]

My favorite part of this is that Odin says that Kratos does not care what happens to mortals, when his entire quest originated from wanting revenge for what the gods did to him as a mortal man.

[@danielgeronimo5538]

Also his servitude saved the mortals and everything in creation. When Persephone went insane and colluded with Morpheus, Kratos cleaned up the mess when no one else did. Everything Kratos did serves as a stark reminder that the gods have no right to be arrogant

[@bigg221]

Yeah he literally gave gave the mortals hope instead of the gods.

[@gageunruh3574]

Not the same. Kratos cared about himself not others. Big difference

[@peewee6479]

@@bigg221 it was also his fault that Greece was close to extinction

[@bigg221]

@@peewee6479 he still showed more regard to mortals than any god ever could.

[@llukandane3337]

“Return my son. Or you may meet the god I once was.” Such a badass line.

[@TheOnlyTherazan]

Can we appreciate Kratos' self-control and discipline of not pulling weapons on Odin during the whole dialogue? When he appears and startle him, sure. But when he opens the discourse with veiled threats against his son? Kratos keeps calm, removes his spear. Odin insults his temper, belittle his own land, under the trollish guise of "kidding"? Kratos is not seething any ounce more than he already was. Odin belittle his godhood, brings up Kratos' past shames and failures, call him a monster? This gotta hit home, but Kratos barely flinches. Odin twists the knife in his current wound, his falling out with his son? Imply he's a failure as a father? Many heroes less temperamental than him would have already pulled their weapons or outright attacked, but Kratos does. Not. Move. And Odin loses. His insults ring hollow, because Kratos' actions don't match Odin's description of him. And if his insults are hollow, then his threats ring false as well, and Kratos comes out as the better man. It also help that Kratos' only threat can also be seen as a final warning.

[@Freethinker_94]

Odin was basically gaslighting the whole conversation but alot of the insults apply to Odin himself with context

[@hypedebates3749]

I like how Odin implies Kratos hasn’t experienced worship when all of Sparta both worshipped him and died for him.

[@sergioplazat3995]

they did it to win wars not because they loved kratos except a spartan only one truly worshiped kratos only... one

[@datboy038]

@@sergioplazat3995 that one was a badass imo the strongest full mortal yet if im being honest

[@SinfulofSauce]

@@sergioplazat3995 Nah. They did worship Kratos. Sparta begged and cried out for him when Zeus was destroying it.

[@lylerivas4433]

@@sergioplazat3995 u not played gow 2

[@vodkaEditz]

@@sergioplazat3995 No, all of Sparta did lol.

[@CptClpnCheeks]

I recently learned about something called “laconic” and it was a form of speech that was clear and concise (to the point) and that Spartans actually spoke like that and the game nails that perfectly with how kratos speaks and interacts. Notice when Odin starts to babble (about the spear) and kratos just pretty much says get to the point.

[@munaus-3345]

There are many famous and short quotes from Sparta. One I fondly recall was received by Alexander the Great's father, King Philipp of Macedonia. He sent a long message to the Spartans, explaining how, if he defeated them, he would wipe them out and Sparta would be no more. Paraphrasing. And the Spartans just replied: If Yeah, they nailed that laconic attitude with Kratos. Use less words, speak only what is necessary.

[@blake3631]

@@munaus-3345 ironically though, Phillip didn't bother with Sparta because it was so frail and weak it didn't truly matter.

[@milankalita584]

You’re here from Elisha Long’s video aren’t you ?😂

[@munaus-3345]

@@blake3631 yeah. Sparta was past its prime. Philip probably hoped to unite all of Greece under his banner. But Spartans being Spartans, they refused.

[@andreheri4546]

@@munaus-3345 Lmao, fucking based

[@DarkLightProduction9]

"Has anyone ever worshipped you?" "Yeah like... whole armies, for years. I almost conquered all of Greece with them."

[@NhBleker]

Then Odin would retorted by saying, “And you gave them nothing but havoc in return for their loyalty and service to you.”

[@DarkLightProduction9]

@@NhBleker Ya got a point there. :/

[@MarcosGarcia-oq2qw]

@@DarkLightProduction9 ummmm not.... kratos give their soldier the best condition and training, you can see that when a NORMAL soldier make all hjs way until the fate island only before face the kraken and meet the 3 fate sisters

[@ccseries]

@@NhBleker "On the contrary, I didn't want to hear it from Athena, so.... Yeah, I gave them nothing but havoc."

[@DarkLightProduction9]

@@MarcosGarcia-oq2qw Bro, you took "um, AHctually 🤓🤓" to an even more obnoxious level. Be more worried about what your personality is.

[@bigl56]

That scene established Odin as one of my favorite antagonists in video game history. Beautifully written and perfectly executed by both actors. Amazing scene all around

[@jenksie2094]

Do you not mean antagonist?

[@bigl56]

@Jenksie209 oh shit, yes lol

[@The_Big_Whit]

To answers Odin's question, the Spartans prayed to Kratos for strength when Zeus came to destroy them

[@sinfuladam]

Those who pray to him never got good fates

[@Aerodeth]

@@sinfuladam Wonder if they were praying to him while he was in the process of destroying all of Greece.

[@mogreen1232]

@@Aerodeth they prayed for mercy..he just didn’t answer lol

[@DeadziMonn]

But it was not out of love so odin is kinda right

[@EskChan19]

They prayed before that too. God of War 2's opening shows them praying to Kratos. Ghost of Sparta shows the kind of respect he induced. And the Last Spartan also was statisfied in death because it was his god he died to. Kratos was prayed to.

[@VideoGameAutopsy]

I like this take on Odin. He's far from the ruthless maniac that he was made out to be in the previous game. He feels more like a once powerful old king, whose confidence has been replaced with arrogance. Odin talks a big game, but everything in his voice, and in his body language makes it clear that he hardly believes a word of it.

[@KalvinEllis]

Given how he killed Brok right after he exposed him and then killed Thor right after he stopped obeying him, he's every bit the ruthless maniac he was told he was. He just tries to cover it up as doing things "for the greater good".

[@ShadowknightEX]

@@KalvinEllis he reminds me of the Odin from warriors Orochi.

[@artemfilatov8161]

@@KalvinEllis he is not maniac, maniacs kill because they want. he just use everyone as a tool. he does not even care

[@tinyanlee672]

@@KalvinEllis I honestly think he had to kill thor by surprise cause if thor was prepared he could probably beat up odin.

[@dragonknight4982]

@@tinyanlee672 not only that, but Thor was heavily injured by Kratos, i wouldn't say he could have beaten Odin, since it took Kratos, Atraus and Freya in order to defeat him, but damn, the fight would be magnificent

[@Zeddyboi86]

I love how Odin is probably used to his slick words having an effect on everyone he talks to, but Kratos is just like, “Shut up and give me my son back.” He is not one for playing games, and it clearly made Odin nervous. :)

[@MrTwistedLizard]

"Has anyone ever prayed to you?" Yes, then someone like you stole my godhood and wiped them out cause he was scared.

[@bigsmoke248]

Almost everything odin said was pretty much him being racist to kratos and mocking him.

[@puuhamato6294]

​@@bigsmoke248 🦜🦜

[@hamzaterzi8801]

In fact, they prayed to him. It is shown at the end of the game.

[@nox1ck589]

When Odin went on about godhood its actually a perfect reflection of himself a man who doesnt care for anyone beyond himself and man who doesn't care for mortals kills without cause because he fears what he could never understand its truly amazing character writing for Odin his character is great

[@anglepsycho]

It was a really nice touch too because Heimdall even said gods didn't need to posh up in a mansion yet has the best quality house in the entire settlement.

[@fatterperdurabo42069]

Odin's every accusation is a confession lol

[@AzureFides]

Odin actually cares but the same way as us care about ants and insects. In his point of view that's good enough as a god. He more obsesses with creating his version of the world and finding the truth.

[@tallstar513]

I love that Durlin says "Arguable." In response to Odin claiming he has a lot to live for. Pretty much saying "Forget me just murder this son of a bitch."

[@GenocidalSquid]

I swear- everyone sounds so DONE when they’re talking about Odin. They know what he can do, they know what he wants to do, and they just want him out of their lives.

[@emetanti]

@@GenocidalSquid The guy for basically the entire game by the looks of it acts and talks like a sniveling coward, i would argue just about anyone gets tired of having him around.

[@GenocidalSquid]

@@emetanti Let’s see- Mimir worked as an advisor to the guy for years and got bound to a tree for longer by him; The Old Valkyrie order after Freya disappeared were corrupted and kept in physical bodies, then trapped in prisons all over the 9 realms; The Vanir were pretty much FUCKED 7 ways to sunday, even after the ‘peace marriage’; Freya, his EX-wife, literally wanted her to cast Baldur’s invulnerability spell on him- a spell which is literally a MADNESS CURSE, and when she refused, Odin kicks her off to Midgard, removes her from the Valkyrie order, and some other curses like unable to travel to any of the 9 realms or unable to harm a living person/thing.. Yeah he’s a dick.

[@vlad_47]

@@GenocidalSquid But honestly Mimir is also not the saint he styled himself to be in GoW 4. Odin called him his partner in crime for a reason.

[@GenocidalSquid]

@@vlad_47 I know that- why do you think I still kept his word as Advisor?

[@ASTRXWRLD999XXX]

“return my son or you may meet the god i once was.” that gave me chills dawg.

[@kinggeeno6133]

Odins level of gaslighting in this game is god-tier lmao

[@holliswilliams8426]

god of gaslighting

[@tehtacoverse7341]

God-tyr you mean

[@DeviIGundam]

"I know you're not the god you once were." Oh if only he knew what Kratos was-and is- still capable of...

[@Axel_Kasai]

Dude, he DOES know.

[@LET4M4RU]

Had he really knew, he'd be pissing himself really hard and wouldn't have tried that small talk, he'd have sent every einherjar, every Valkyrie, every single Æsir willing to fight him at once.

[@tomodota3128]

@@LET4M4RU Man that would Zeus do( and he did ) sent the gods to chase Kratos, but Odin was always big head, smart,wise, despite Zeus who would go with power only

[@Luneytoon]

He does know, when he’s mascarading as tyr he tells Kratos he knows of the legends of the ghost of Sparta

[@topaz2825]

The reason why he said so was that he did the same to Freya who lost her fighting spirit eventually after her marriage with Odin. He expected Kratos of being a hopeless God but he was utterly wrong.

[@kaamilpatel7613]

Looking at it one way this scene actually hints of Tyr being Odin in disguise ,cause notice Odin specifically states "Never cared much for Brok but can't deny the Dwarf's talent", he clearly highlights the fact that he knew it was Brok's idea to forge to spear to begin with or else he would've casually said "Brok and Sindri" or the Huldra Brothers as a whole but he particularly said Brok cause he was there when Brok suggested the idea for the Spear.

[@odinborson8519]

Great catch!!!

[@SpottedHares]

Whe you realize a twist wasn’t just some lazy written info dump at the arbitrary moment.

[@Shadgon]

there's a hint even earler on when odin is talking to atreus and mentions "his ex wife and former employee" are working with kratos, which is intel he should NOT have had at the time

[@MDoorpsy]

@@Shadgon One could presumably chock it down as him just spying on them with his various ravens, but it's brilliant as a hint to his eventual reveal.

[@TGPDrunknHick]

@@SpottedHares there was a lot of it. like raven feathers in the cell. the fact he slept in a broom closest for long periods (an excuse to return to asgard). there were quite a few hints.

[@drmoose7233]

I was a bit hesitant at first, but I love the take on odin in this game. This god is indeed extremely intelligent, manipulative and deadly powerful. only now was I able to fathom mimir's honest to the T depicting of the all father odin : "Odin's got tricks up his sleeves we haven't dared to consider". you guys have done a fantastic job with this one.

[@Summersong2262]

You might find American Gods interesting if you found this take cool. They do a similar thing with Odin in that one as well, and the TV series has Ian McShane play him absolutely perfectly.

[@qualitypass658]

Odin: And what kind of god is that kratos? " Circle button above Odin"

[@papoopse100]

😂😂😂😂

[@antonoakenshield7362]

One of my favorite moments in the game. “Return my son, or you will meet the god I once was.” Man, those words. I couldn’t imagine Kratos violently giving Odin a brutal death.

[@adamchu2001]

It wouldnt be a brutal death it would be Marvel's Ragnarok with Kratos going and doing Sutur's job and tearing Asgard to pieces and then making odin a raven shaped artwork

[@yagamipower4272]

Ragnarok would arrive early for Asgard xD

[@jmb72390]

KRATOS Translation: *KEEP FUCKING AROUND ODIN AND FIND OUT!*

[@LET4M4RU]

Tbf I liked GOW:R ending, but I wouldn't be mad to see a good old brutalize scene like the Greek era. This dude was even worse than Zeus in every way and deserved to be reduced to Æsir Lasagna

[@alexmorenocalado3881]

Kratos would become Ragnarok itself.

[@MartinSeda]

Odin is written perfectly. Love this character writing.

[@chaptermastermoloc4171]

Odin is more Loki than Loki in this game 🤣😂🤣.

[@georgejerry1545]

@@chaptermastermoloc4171 In the beginning of the game, he claims Mimir was a silver tonged traitor…I’m pretty sure Odin is much more silver tongued than anyone in this game by a large margin 😂

[@MartinSeda]

@@chaptermastermoloc4171Yeah, that's true, but in mythology he is treacherous with almost noone knowing his utlimate schemes. Physically its spot on, he should be old and slim guy, plus I love how in this game he doesn't kinda seem like extremely powerful deity most of the time (which is typically deceiving on his part) thx to the way he talks and behaves.

[@rltw2753]

You a goofy this Odin is ridiculous and dumb

[@johans3164]

@@chaptermastermoloc4171 thats what i find the most interesting. This version of Odin feels more like Loki. Manipulative trickster

[@zionharris9432]

Best part of this game is that even though it's still very touching and emotional storytelling, they still manage to have badass fights and cold ass lines😭👌🏾

[@Froggyman145]

"The Gods I have slain would make you their bitch. Do not test me...boy."

[@WaterFlame3030]

When Odin is speaking about how Kratos doesn’t care about anything beyond himself, and the monster that kills, he doesn’t realize he’s not talking about the current Kratos, but himself.

[@michaeltagor4238]

No shit Sherlock

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

No he realizes but knows Kratos has self doubt so easy to spin

[@freakoutfrancis1798]

Odin was doing the same thing the greek pantheon did: throw empty insults in hope that it would at least hurt Kratos. In reality, it just sealed their fate

[@gaysex438]

@@michaeltagor4238 mad

[@gloriasomma4036]

tldr: odin needs to stop projecting

[@golork3267]

You know what I find fascinating? Kratos has always been incredibly smart. Not a lot of people think about it. But take in a few things. He has cannocially went through several adventures where he must solve long term puzzles in realms and places made and/or overlooked by the gods. Gameplay wise they need to be solvable by us mortals but lore wise these are places and puzzles that no normal mortal should be able to figure out. Countless have tried and have either died or gone insane. Kratos became a spartan army general in records time meaning he must have incredible leaderships skills and intellect especially by Spartan standards. He has mastered the use of godly gifts and items and weapons in a matter of hours. Overcame and out smarted gods who have lived for millions of years. Frankly if Kratos really applied himself I have no doubt in my mind that he'd be able to rival the wisdom and knowledge of both Odin and Mimir. It's just that by the time of GOW4 he's a pragmatist who doesn't do anything unless it directly benefits him. Odin and Kratos are closer in intelligence and power than anyone would think. They are both incredibly adaptable and can think outside the box. They can learn and figure out things at record speeds. The difference between them is as simple as a paladin vs a cleric. Both very similar but having took different directions. If Kratos chose to research the nine realms I have no doubt he'd be as successful as Odin if not more so. Yet I bet Odin is unable to recognize this as Kratos does not present himself as someone of high intelligence like himself but as a stoic soldier ready for battle.

[@lukemimnagh2594]

Indeed! When Kratos says,"my son is not your key."- Odin does not notice that Kratos was actually being metaphorical aswell, due to the fact that Kratos knew very well that Odin was a compulsive, manipulative liar

[@golork3267]

@@lukemimnagh2594 Indeed. But Odin in all of his arrogance would not notice. He probably just thinks Kratos is a more mature version of his Son.

[@mr.hawklingiii8739]

Greece was also known for logic and diplomacy. People often mislabeled the Spartans as brutish oafs and idiots compared to their Athenian counterparts. I’m reality the Spartans and Athenians were simply two subsets of the Greeks as a whole (Government and Military respectively). So yeah Kratos was brilliant at battle and diplomacy/education. Callback to his line of “I know how to read boy” in God of War 4.

[@golork3267]

@@mr.hawklingiii8739 Yeah I always thought of Spartans as experts of war and combat. War being something you need to be smart about to be able to pull off.

[@holliswilliams8426]

@@mr.hawklingiii8739 Kratos also seems to have been able to learn to speak perfect Norse as an adult, so presumably can't be stupid.

[@rarejinxy8633]

this moment made the ending so much more meaningful; odin talking about how no one worshipping kratos

[@MarcosGarcia-oq2qw]

kratos: who cares

[@prettyboyg1278]

If the writers played the old games, they would know that this downtalk of Odin doesn’t make any sense, since Kratos got worshipped as the GoW for years.

[@SenpaiAustin]

The characterization of Odin in this series was a BOLD choice that doesn’t always work, but I’m glad the developers were brave enough to do it

[@lelefarmtown4988]

I love how Mimir is always there like: "Yeah Kratos ! Tell him ! Tell him !"

[@sergioplazat3995]

someone who sees odin as just another being and is not afraid of him or afraid to say what he wants

[@jornavyr2459]

Yeah imagine the head of wisdom having his own agenda. Nah, perish the thought. Mimir is simply just best bro.

[@salmonoven]

And his piratish accent (or maybe irish perhaps) just make it even more better

[@TheCompleteMental]

Mimir has developed quite a respect for Kratos, too

[@sergiomonge9989]

@@salmonoven it's Scottish

[@yudapurwalaksana9483]

"you don't care about mortals" In gow 2 first cutscene kratos literally jump from his throne in mountain olympus to help spartan who pray for help

[@JoDoSa]

yeah, no, they were invading Rhodes and pray to him to help finish conquering the city

[@danielgeronimo5538]

Everything Kratos had done had always been for the mortal interest because he himself is technically a mortal.

[@Najjarboyz3]

If he cared about mortals he wouldn't have intervened everytime Sparta sent him a prayer, that was Zeus' point, that kratos only answered Sparta and he did it personally. That's why Zeus Wiped out that army, because kratos had intervened on their express behalf again.

[@rayclawicefire2503]

@@Najjarboyz3 that's some backswords logic, He was the Spartan God of War Kratos of course answered them and not Prayers to Ares or Mars.

[@adriananic8258]

@@Najjarboyz3 zeus did it because he was worried he would try and take the throne. Like he did frommcronos and kronos from uranus

[@kuda6474]

I love how Odin slightly backs out when kratos threatens him with that line. Says a lot how dangerous Kratos is and that he is feared even by Odin.

[@thezucclord-3738]

I like how Odin immediately fled after talking shit to Kratos cause he wasn't sure he would walk away unharmed if he stayed. Also the little things, like Odin taking a step back and starts talking slowly when Kratos threatened him because he wasn't sure if Kratos would do something. Odin is intelligent and a very good strategist, but he could not predict Kratos.

[@joshuamcjoshuamc3231]

Odin definitely would've beaten Kratos doesn't mean kratos won't try he's beaten many gods i.e death before but Odin has beaten creation and many gods including Thor with ease

[@JonasRosado]

​@@joshuamcjoshuamc3231I doubt it. especially if kratos really did return to the god he was. If he did then there wouldn't be a single God in gowr that could've stopped him

[@joshuamcjoshuamc3231]

@@JonasRosado um...young kratos isnt any stronger than the kratos now if not weaker according to the lore,gameplay and what the director said. y'all fanboys hype him up way to much based off the fact that he gets angry.

[@joshuamcjoshuamc3231]

@@JonasRosado have y'all not based it off the fact that SOME if not MOST of the Greek gods are just weaker than the Norse ones you'd think it'd be obvious

[@happydapper8395]

​@@joshuamcjoshuamc3231 read the god of war books, litterally all of them show insane feats that the norse ones have not shown through EVIDENCE, just statements

[@k29king1]

I love how Odin is deathly afraid of Kratos, full well knowing if Kratos can obliterate him.

[@dustinjones7458]

The last boss battle is, actually, pretty easy lol Odins a talker, not a fighter, and deep down he knows it.

[@ballinman117]

@@dustinjones7458 i mean just look at how he hides behind Durlin when he first shows up.

[@Nephron89]

@@dustinjones7458 try it on no mercy without a healing stone and say that lol.

[@phobos5475]

@@Nephron89 that was still pretty easy and why would you purposely avoid healing stones?

[@lordalbertfondlebottomxiii5249]

@@Nephron89 no mercy is for pussies. try that shit on God of War difficulty and then get back to me

[@Command908]

"Beyond the monster that kills without cause." Everytime I hear that line, just makes me say, "Without cause? All this started got kickstarted after Baulder mistook him for a giant and attacked without provocation and initiated the two to head out to spread Fayes ashes." But I think this line was referring more to his past more than anything though.

[@nicolasbarrios3274]

Yeah, he's like more saying that for his reputation as Ghost of Sparta

[@kevinsmith138]

But even then it wasn’t fully without cause. Sure Kratos killed people who didn’t deserve to die along the way, but a lot of them would have lived if they didn’t try to stop him from killing Zeus.

[@MaverickX578]

It’s heavily implied by Sif that Odin knew it was Kratos because of the description Baldur gave him, but sent him, Magni and Modi after Kratos regardless of whether Magni or Modi lived or died.

[@hurricane7727]

True. And Odin was the One who Sent Baldur to Kratos house in The First place.

[@MaverickX578]

@@hurricane7727 yes

[@fawzanahmad9781]

This scene shows how great of a manipulator Odin really was.

[@handgun559]

It astounds me that anyone even dares try Kratos after actively acknowledging what he's done and what he's capable of. Odin really be like "You don't want war with me. You're just a dude who erased a pantheon." Yea, mate. Good threat.

[@neonproxyx3982]

that was always a issue i had with the new gow, people did pray to kratos the whole second game is the spartans fighting next to him in athens calling his name

[@matiasaguilar2500]

Yeah but Odin's only trying to mess with Kratos

[@matthewcoster5535]

Odin was basically just insulting Kratos there, and probably wasn't very aware of Spartan loyalty. Tyr was though.

[@jksimmons1560]

@@matthewcoster5535 😬

[@Najjarboyz3]

To be fair only the Spartans prayed to him, and that's because he directly helped them out of personal bias and because he was a spartan. No one else did, so Odin is just manipulating that fact

[@trygullx]

yea but the thing is with the New GoW games if your only experience with GoW is 2018 and this one yes you'd think that but if you played the originals you'd know the people that worshipped him were killed by the Gods and he got his revenge for himself and for them. Best way to put it is Krato's always saw himself as 4 things in 1 particular order A father A spartan A mortal and lastly A god Kratos being brought up as a Spartan however just means he won't admit it or atleast he'd show it in his own way

[@Mr_Autastic]

2:23 holy hell Christopher Judge makes that line all the more menacing!

[@dragonballa5083]

Odin: Never much cared for Brok. Sindri: Hammer Time! 🕺🏾

[@bigdexmedia5233]

The dialogue between the protagonist and the antagonist is just so beautifully written

[@felipecel]

This Odin seems like a mafia leader.

[@coltonwilliams4153]

Not too far from our myths, actually.

[@tytyty5866]

I hate this voice tho

[@deaggravv]

@@coltonwilliams4153 Trash myth.Greek and Egyptian mythology>>>>trash Scandinavia mythology.

[@NTWoo95]

Big “wise guy” energy from Odin the entire game

[@antonakiszaprakis4637]

2:49 Kratos casually takes deep breaths so that he doesn't accidentally beat the shit out of Odin

[@yohanesputra3884]

kratos :"whoops my hand slipped"

[@holliswilliams8426]

he was close lmao

[@jordanschruder2260]

Kratos: real life problems Odin: online trolls Durlin: their phones/computers

[@oh3681]

"Return my son or you may meet the god i once was" sends chills down my spine

[@alvinloh5101]

I love how when odin realised that trying to trick kratos with pretty words isn't going to work , he tries to gaslight him

[@toughboi]

i see why kratos cried after ragnarok when he saw in the mural that people were praising him and kneeling to him, he never felt this type of love before he only saw himself as a monster

[@NhBleker]

Guess he forgot the love all of Sparta gave him when he was their general, and especially after he was their new God of War.

[@stygiandragon3865]

@@NhBleker I don't think it's the "love" that made him cry. But it's the sheer fact that Kratos - A killer that only knows to destroy - can actually become a Savior people praised for. Remember, after he destroyed Greek, he only saw chaos, barely any survivors remaining. So that's why Kratos is so against on fighting/killing God in Norse. But in Ragnarök, he is forced to do so again, it's why Kratos isn't fond of the idea of being the General in the first place. But after seeing the panel, he can finally drop his past burden and be better.

[@user-lc9mm6zq2k]

Man i just can't get enough of this scene, it is perfect in every aspect. My favourite part is the fact that when Odin starts yelling at and insulting him, Kratos does nothing but take deep breaths and does not even look odin in the eye, you can tell he is very angered and in disagreement with what he is hearing. But he does not even look at what is causing that anger right now because he knows he could very much lose it and just L3 R3 him right then and there. This is the guy that in god of war 3 would force feed you your own insides if you as much as made a simple bad remark on him. He is trying so hard to not beat Odin's face in like he did Zeus. Really shows how far he has come and how much better he is when compared to his younger wrathful self back in Greece. He also knows that attacking Odin could lead to Atreus getting executed in Asgard for retaliation.

[@Wasssup3232]

From the moment I heard his voice at the beginning of the game he feels like a sleazy sales person and I love it, it feels like he talks with double speak and tries to actively manipulate every moment of the conversation with the gentle soft spoken voice he uses. When Kratos says “you may see the god I once was” the tiny single step back in fear and then lashing out because he realized there is no controlling what Kratos does and that he is royally fucked at this point was mint.

[@dustinjones7458]

Odin is a pretty good example of an abusive parent who can destroy their children without raising a hand. Everything he says here eats away at Kratos-his self worth, his desire to be a better person, his struggle to reconcile the essential loss of his humanity. He's empathetic, no doubt, but uses what he feels to hurt others. You just have to look at Thor to see what that sort of thing does to a person.

[@joseibarra7735]

@@dustinjones7458 I think that’s the point of Odin, he’s mentally the “strongest” in the game. Whereas everyone understands thor is strong asf physically and We’re all aware. In Odins case he walks circles around people when it comes to the physiological battles.

[@Maktheshonen]

Mimir: “At least you rattled him as much as he rattled you…” Kratos: *Who was rattled?*

[@Astro986]

“Return my son or you may receive the smoke I once gave”

[@greengoblin2803]

2:33 odin:and what kind of god is that kratos? me:squarex2, triangle, grab circle triangle square rotate analog,

[@thejuggl3r442]

"He's Lying" "I know" Puts the Spear away anyways SO fucking badass 🔥

[@squashmallow2006]

We all know that when Kratos puts away his weapons, that's when you should be most afraid. You gonna get these Spartan hands.

[@toumimohamednidhal3681]

1:55 Odin : " You sure he's yours 🤭 ?!"

[@user1point0]

"You don't care about mortals" He literally named his son after a mortal

[@naterybar9106]

That line by our boy kratos just proves to everybody down playing kratos power. He knows 100% that he is holding back. I mean that's the whole point of this new saga in kratos's life. That was a badass line from a badass character. Man I love kratos the Man shows no fear.

[@Nam3less2U]

I’m glad you noticed, Thor constantly asking kratos to show the God killer show him the God of War while kratos holding back not trying to show that side of himself

[@naterybar9106]

@@Nam3less2Udefinitely. Kratos is too powerful for words really. I mean in a 2018 interview. Barlog stated that if they unleashed kratos full power. There would be no video game, no intrigued story, nothing like what we get because he would blow through the pantheon once more.

[@Phantom_Zone]

I really love this Kratos. Unlike the trope of the boss as a playable character, Kratos turned over a new leaf. If you played all God of War games you really know how strong Kratos is. He shows mercy far more often.

[@naterybar9106]

@@Phantom_Zone oh yeah I 100% every entry it's my favorite gaming franchise of all time

[@MLaak86]

“I think we all have a better idea of who we’re dealing with now.” - no Odin, you really don’t otherwise even with Atreus as insurance you would not dare try to push Kratos’ buttons.

[@herooflight7931]

Return my son, or you may meet the god I once was. That was no threat that was a promise

[@neonthehuman]

"What kind of God is that, Kratos?" *Presses Circle*

[@belmontzar]

Odin : has anyone worshipped you? Prayed to you? Kratos : yes actually.

[@guynamedbob8374]

2:09 That was such a burn on Odin’s part.

[@nahhfam7678]

Another attempt at manipulation by Odin is when instead of picking up the one of the spears, he picks up an instrument used in forges to hold metal in the heat at the same time he is talking about Artreus being the key for peace. The subtle message that those instruments can both be used to melt weapons down and MAKE weapons. Even uses it as a prop by making it a point to throw it away when he says to "Break free" from the cycle of violence. Masterful stage direction.

[@Mr_Anarchy97]

The amount of detail in this game is unreal. For instance Kratos never let's an opponent see his back. The fact that he keeps his back to Odin shows that he has come to fully trust Mimir.

[@deimos5177]

“You don’t care about anything beyond yourself” That’s so rich coming from Odin

[@ajra6143]

Odin saying Kratos was never truly loved or worshiped, yet Ghost of Sparta showed us the Spartans seemed to like him a helluva lot more than Ares.

[@ijstateside]

All I can think of as a response to Odin’s question - if this were a reel or a video vine is the scene in 300 rise of an empire when the Spartans arrive.