God's Existence Proven from King James Bible | Nat - Houston, TX | Talk Heathen 03.25

[@danieldelanoche2015]

It is difficult to win an argument against a genius. It is impossible to win an argument against an idiot.

[@Hero4fun77]

No, it's easy to win an argument against an idiot. It's impossible to convince them that you have won.

[@sidepot]

Hero4fun I like the way Mark Twain put it. “It’s easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.”

[@nuffflavor]

LOL..... there is no cure for stupid.

[@ulipeterson6112]

its actually rather easy. but the idiot might never realise or accept that he/she has been defeated. thats the problem.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@martinkirchhoff4923 You seem to be missing the point Folk Aart was making, also the way pigs keeps clean is to bathe in dirt, which is another term for "Mud", which also keeps them cool on hot days.

[@saanpeco1557]

If you leave 50 gay men on a island for 100 years ,the same fate would happen if you put 50 straight men there. The only difference is that the gay group is gonna have a lot more fun.

[@powerdavid6235]

Put 50 straight men on a island and you'd be surprised how quickly bisexuality becomes the norm.

[@Zeitschaltende]

Also: Who is the biggest producer of gay people? Yep, straight people. So let's put 50 straight people on an island and what do you get? Straight and gay people.

[@annk.8750]

@ Edward brand If you don't have a handy island, a prison will do for your experiment.

[@PDVism]

But the main thing that he ignores is that after a 100 years that island is empty of life BUT if you put all gay men on an island and wait a 100 years that you'll see that there's lots of gay's not being on that island. Being gay isn't hereditary.

[@jeanbrodeur9667]

And a much cleaner island.

[@Elhao]

"I'm not shifting the burden of proof! I just want you to give me evidence that there is no god!" This is comedy gold. And he even stuck with it after Matt pointed it out.

[@dx1450]

I'm not saying that caller is a total moron, I'm just saying that he's an uneducated fool.

[@scottsmith2235]

Yes, he wants atheists to prove an unfalsifiable claim remastered from the reversal of his own claim.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

He has the brain of a flea.

[@occamraiser]

While you're at it - please prove there is no loch ness monster, bigfoot and aliens - otherwise they are all real.

[@peterkotara]

You do realise he has absolutely no idea what Matt is talking about.

[@audience7264]

The beginning: I can prove a god. The end: where is your proof of no god? Pretty much sums up all the crazy callers, including himself.

[@Superknullisch]

You mean, before you found "the cure"?😁 Or are you still on the poison?🤔

[@patar3323]

@@Superknullisch ?

[@at6686]

Happens every time. They can’t prove there’s a god so then they get frustrated and ask for the “proof” that there is no god, as though they are equivalent arguments.

[@jugg9140]

as far as i have seen Matt is not so much rational himself, he honestly truly believe that man is capable of reasoning lol, he is like other atheist who wanted recognition through atheist, not so much through thinking and reasoning.

[@karsten69]

When theists demand that I prove no god, I always say, That's easy. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Now you might say, isn't that a flimsy thread of logic? yes, yes it is, it's so flimsy that to prove it wrong, all you have to do is... present evidence of god. so now we're right back here again.

[@brandonm6751]

"The fact that a book says something does not mean it's true." "Ok, wow, oh wow, really?!" "Yes" Powerful stuff

[@lewisner]

So Superman doesn't really exist ? 8-(

[@parkhunter]

@@lewisner Not yet !!

[@theconservativechristian7308]

This rule also applies to science. “But we have evidence for science.” We have evidence for God too. Point and case it’s not BECAUSE a book says something that makes it true. The book says so BECAUSE it is true and we can prove that with evidence. You may disagree with the evidence, but that’s more of a bias/heart issue than it is a lack of evidence or saying, “it’s true because the Bible is true.” It’s a difference between evidence vs persuasion. I may not make a persuasive argument but you not being persuaded doesn’t mean that what I’m presenting as evidence is wrong.

[@brandonm6751]

@@theconservativechristian7308 your "evidence" is just applying faith to what your mind can't comprehend. That is not evidence. That is faith. If it's not persuasive, that's because it's not evidence.

[@aesericho3651]

@@theconservativechristian7308the evidence itself is the pursuasion. If you bring forth the evidence to your claim, you will pursuade. evidence is falsifiable, repeatable, verifiable by independent qualified parties. 'anecdotal evidence' is worthless as it can't be verified, tested, or repeated. Do you have any actual evidence for a god that can be repeated, verified, falsified? What you're alluding to, as the commenter above, is faith. Faith is useless and is not evidence

[@paimannamazi1128]

I'm claiming there are pink elephants living in the North Pole... but the burden is on everyone else to prove I'm wrong LMAO

[@dx1450]

But you're not shifting the burden of proof...

[@mauricedavis1740]

religion in a nutshell...😐

[@arthurdent9375]

Paiman not true they are white that is why you cant see them

[@paimannamazi1128]

@@arthurdent9375 lmao right? Not far-fetched.

[@arthurdent9375]

@@paimannamazi1128 That is why they are white is because the Polar Bears Hunt them in Packs

[@dondavis6293]

Ladies and Gents.... This is what indoctrination from childhood sounds like...

[@kimmygibler760]

And very little actual education.

[@ichigome5554]

@@kimmygibler760 And no desire to become better and learn more. That's the big one.

[@kinleyburks9956]

No bullshit lol

[@americanpatriot8426]

Smartest farm equipment

[@immanuelhavneraas]

So let's get rid of the atheistic indoctrination and the evolution religion propaganda! 🎉

[@bobmudge4836]

I’m not saying I robbed the bank. I’m saying I went into the bank with a gun and demanded money.

[@inertiaforce7846]

LOL

[@rotcataergeht]

I dont steal from ppl, i only borrow from them.

[@berniebooth5045]

Could this guy actually hear the words coming from his mouth? Seriously-haven’t we moved on from these fairly tales after all these years?

[@PaddySnuffles]

"Everything that's born must die, who has broken that law?" ...Immortal jellyfish. It's right in the name.

[@seighartmercury]

Even they die, just not via aging.

[@MrSpleenface]

I was born, and I just checked, pretty sure I never died...

[@thegrouchization]

@@seighartmercury Still, its biological lifespan is theoretically infinite, so there is nothing that determines that it *must* die.

[@richardmitchell2774]

BWAHAHAHAHAA... “Its right in the name”.😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[@danielr.y5261]

HeLa cell-line keeps going on strong...

[@demonocusmetalocus3558]

Using the bible as proof of god is like using a comic book as proof of superman.

[@agile32735]

Or New York as proof of Spiderman.

[@alvarogoenaga3965]

.@@agile32735 Or Toys are Us as proof of Santa, Wait, Toys are Us is no longer around. Never mind, you get the analogy.

[@mikemadden2729]

LMFAO as is God! I saw God on 4 hits of acid. That was better proof. Scary but more fun!

[@patsaxon5284]

The bible is true history and more than 77% of Americans believes in every word of the bible.

[@mikemadden2729]

@@patsaxon5284, the Bible has several references to God being disgruntled with "those who rob widows & orphans of their inheritance", obviously the health care industry. Nursing homes charge people their whole disability check then give back a lousy $45 a month allowance & this is after getting $8,000 a month from Medicaid, driving up our $20,000,000,000,000 national debt. The Bible says God gave us "all the seed bearing plants for our food & medicine". There's marijuana, caffeine, coca plants, psilocybin mushrooms (spores are seeds), all from plants. Heroin & morphine comes from poppies & LSD is found in morning glory seeds, plus I saw God on 4 hits of LSD & what I experienced is described exactly in the Bible several times. I drove into an apocalypse, He appeared as a bright Light, scared me shitless, said "don't be afraid", cast a protective shadow over me & fixed everything! Cool, eh?! The Bible also says "every eye will see Jesus return & split that mountain with his toe", so someone back then knew everyone would have devices with screens to watch it on. LMFAO!!!

[@kinjiru731]

Let's be honest here. The caller wasn't intelligent enough to understand the concepts he was talking about. Some people literally are too stupid to understand.

[@merikijiya13]

Kinjiru731 Dr Dunning, meet Dr Kruger.

[@dx1450]

Obviously... like at the end when he said he wasn't shifting the burden of proof but they didn't prove that God doesn't exist.

[@Wrkumlin]

Kinjiru731 Yes, and that’s what religion does to the human mind. Sad really. “I have to shift the burden of proof, yell really loud to get my point across, and apologize for just about everything my god does. So what?” Yup. Doesn’t get it.

[@pollypockets508]

I think I might have an ulcer. I should stop watching this.

[@pollypockets508]

"If I go to Yale" That was hilarious

[@Omerta-33-EE]

I cannot believe he actually said to Matt " No am not shifting the burden of proof i am asking you to prove there is no god" 😂 Some people are just so beyond desperate to be right that they become beyond stupid!

[@BearManNorth]

Typical religious spin tactic, that fails everytime.

[@occamraiser]

This demonstrates brainwashing - he is starting from the premise that an invisible, omniscient, undetectable, omnipotent, mythological character exists without evidence and wants to be shown the evidence that it doesn't exist. If he changed his sentence to say 'aliens' instead of 'god' he'd see the stupidity of his request.

[@peterkotara]

He has no idea what the burden of proof is.

[@starfishsystems]

​@@peterkotara And no curiosity about what it might be.

[@StannisHarlock]

Nat called all the other callers "absolutely insane". I'm having a real difficult time drawing a distinction between them and him.

[@StannisHarlock]

@David Santosuosso Yes, yes. But I never claimed to be sane.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@StannisHarlock The fact you cant draw a distinction between current caller and all previous, tells me you're indeed sane or at least sane enough to still adhear to the limitations of reality. Insane would mean you don't adhear to the limitations of reality and therefore you can draw the line where ever you want. That Michael can draw a distinction doesn't speak well for his sanity or at least his level of intellectual honesty, lol. 👌😆

[@cheapsuit1234]

Idiots think everyone else is stupid

[@andystokes8702]

Point 1 - I know for certain that God exists and I can prove it. Point 2 - My proof for the existence of God is because it says so in the Bible. Point 3 - I know that what the Bible says is true. Point 4 - I know the Bible is true because it is the word of God Point 5 - I know the Bible is the word of God because it says so in the Bible, therefore - Point 6 - See point 1

[@sherifor3220]

andy stokes no THE KING JAMES ONLY BIBLE WHICH IS IRONIC KING JAMES WAS A KNOWN HOMOSEXUAL.

[@rsr789]

@@sherifor3220 Indeed. King James loved the boys in London.

[@andystokes8702]

@Nietzsche's Disciple NO - you must never come out of the loop. Point 6 leads back to point 1, you just carry on indefinitely going round and round and round.

[@mikemadden2729]

I saw God on 4 hits of acid. Better proof & more fun but scary like a rollercoaster.

[@duncanbryson1167]

I'm taking this to be satire. If not, read Kissing Hank's Ass 😂. Either way read it anyway if you haven't already. Don't have a link to it to hand.

[@GunUDwnAt2nd]

Nat: "all the other callers were absolutely insane." Also Nat: *is absolutely insane*

[@jtg1972]

"Let me go on ahead and dip into the homosexual."🤣🤣🤣

[@elsiegel84]

129,864,880 books had been published by 2010 according to a Google algorithm. Unlike the caller, I'd read more than just 1 of them to learn about the world. But that's just me.

[@freeboogie86]

Edward Siegel Amazing Comment!

[@keithherring7677]

It's an amazing coincidence that with that many published that the one that the authors claimed God gave them the words to write became the most widely sold/distributed/read/discussed out of all of them..

[@elsiegel84]

​@@keithherring7677 I'm not sure that's a real fact. The KJB the caller was on about is just 1 version of an anthology. King James was not the only anthologist and editor. There were lots of them each with their own version. The King James for example was translated into English with instructions to conform with the Church of England. There are lots of bibles - it's not one book. The Holy Quran instructs that it must be read in Arabic so it cannot be corrupted by translation. But it is translated often. However, the Arabic versions are all the same book, unlike the bible. There's the Bhagavad Gita, that's pretty popular in the biggest democracy in the world, there's the Buddhist Tripitakas so popular in Tibet, Nepal and China. You should reassess your assertion. I suppose that EVERY book with "Bible" on its cover could be lumped together to make your point. But in the realm of lumpers and splitters, I'm not a lumper.

[@keithherring7677]

@@elsiegel84 Every source I know that ranks the best selling books of all time have the Bible at the top.

[@elsiegel84]

@@keithherring7677 Which bible - you're lumping them all together. A lot more non-bibles have been sold than bibles. I'm lumping, too. There are a lot of books that say "Bible" on the cover. There are a lot that say Algebra, Calculus, Physics, Chemistry, Biochemistry, Psychology, or any number of subjects as a one or two word title. They're all the same but they're all different. The subject of this thread, the King James Bible, is not even a real big seller among it genre.

[@Arkloyd]

This caller has a very short memory. He's defending the religion that was used to enslave his ancestors.

[@elvissinatra3120]

I was thinking the same Thing. They unshackled him and he just keeps coming back to work thinking he is free yet doing or accepting the same thing he did when he was accepting he was a slave. Scary when they can be kept slaves under a different name and they can accept it as his master.

[@ichigome5554]

That's kind of what Christianity wanted in the first place, wasn't it? Be the bad guys but make it seem like everybody else is the bad guy?

[@Arkloyd]

@@ichigome5554 They may worship a torturing psychopath, and they may be proud of this fact, and they also say that they see no reason not to forcefuck, murder and steal if they didn't have the threat of torture hanging over their heads, but the way they backpeddle and tapdance any time you bring up the evils of the fictional being they admire and worship, it seems they want to be the good guys. Like those capitol rioters, I'm sure they thought they were doing the right thing, but when stupid people get together in large groups, the empty can rattles the most, it is said.

[@nuoiptertermer4484]

@Xyander No. Used to enslave his ancestors is not relevant to the truth of it.

[@Arkloyd]

@@nuoiptertermer4484 How so? yahweh endorsed owning people as inherited property, and allowed for them to be beaten savagely. yahweh endorsed sex slavery, including making it illegal to not force fuck a female slave daily. I guess you've never read the bible for yourself. What could be relevant to the "truth" of a book that claims that the earth is a flat disc with corners that's sat upon pillars and kept under a solid sky dome which keeps "the waters above" out?

[@airguitarsalesman]

Lmao "I'm not shifting the burden of proof, I'm shifting the burden of proof!"

[@EustaBAracer]

New Hope Ministries comes into a lot of these types of video comments and does the same thing. Complains about people shifting the burden of proof, then shifting the burden of proof.

[@freeboogie86]

He’ll call back in five years when his son comes out of the closet!

[@-Me_]

You think anyone would choose to have children with him?

[@thebodykeepsthescore2828]

😂😂👍

[@artmoss6889]

Or he comes out of the closet.

[@fatalgravity]

Shots fired 🤣🤣

[@jacoblee5796]

This is some funny shit! Great comment!

[@SecretiaTV]

"I don't deal with opinions" and then the caller gives his opinion, lol!!

[@rawhideleather]

I think we can agree that Nat sounds like a black man. Being a black Christian is like a being a Jewish Nazi since the Bible absolutely endorses slavery.

[@davidgn40]

You forget how religion was perpetuated during the colonial era. That's why many blacks both in Africa and in America are so dependent on it.

[@davidgn40]

But yes, religion was an excuse used to justify slavery. Many people should learn about this and turn away from religion. Atheism is on the rise, at least.

[@kenbee1957]

I'm black I hadn't noticed that the guy sounds black until you pointed this out 🤣

[@crazycrimess]

Fucking Ayeeee Dude Confused Although He SOUNDED LIKE A HISPANIC TRYING TO IMPERSONATE A BLACK DUDE OR EVEN WORST A HILLBILLY WITH A BLACKFRIEND WHOM IS DATING HIS SISTER 😂😂😂😂😂😂... I am not a racist i promise 😆😆😆😆😆

[@kenbee1957]

@@crazycrimess Word for word what "a racist" would say

[@chrisc.3635]

caller comes in claiming they can prove god. Matt: Ah shit here we go again.

[@dx1450]

And... once again... fails miserably at proving God's existence. FFS, if God is real, evidence should be overwhelming.

[@knine1652]

"so you need science, the lab and all that" LMAO

[@lavia5521]

@@carolmosher7745 idk if you were trolling or not, I hope so, yet no idea what you get by looking dumb? You an atheist in disguise?

[@verpeiler089]

@@carolmosher7745 " I am a Neutrino Physicist" Right, and I am Moses. Where do you work (Institute)? Any credentials, publications? Or did you just watch a video about Neutrinos on youtube.

[@rebeccabello3103]

I think a lot of your callers don't have critical thinking skills. This country needs better schools, man!

[@LunatheMoonDragon]

schools do nothing to programmed ignorance. you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink

[@deanmoncaster]

@@LunatheMoonDragon you can lead a religious Person to books but you can't make them think!

[@barnacleboi2595]

Some people are too far gone, they are literally incapable of thinking rationally, its sad what indoctrination does to a mind

[@davewilliams5102]

Some of these callers are former students of Dr. Kent Hovind!

[@derekmizer6293]

Theists develop a God Shield which deflects all logic and reason remember, god is omnipotent so no amount of logic, no matter how valid, can pierce that shield.

[@hemidas]

5:00 "I know it's God's Law because the King James version of the Bible is the only book that says that." Koine Greek: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@dx1450]

If the KJV is the only book which says that, then maybe it's not a good translation version of the bible?

[@kubakorbiel]

❤❤😂😂😂

[@TheSonicDeviant]

I love this channel! The bizarre callers and the conversations between them and the hosts and guests are hilarious! 😂

[@davelanger]

Jamie's hand gestures are some of the best things about Talk Heathen lol

[@jonathanallard2128]

Gestures*

[@davelanger]

@@jonathanallard2128 those too lol. I fixed the spell, I am an awful speller ha ha

[@MrzPicklez]

I never noticed them before but now I stay fixated on them hahaha

[@alexanderweddle3948]

"You haven't given me any evidence that there is no evidence for something for which I don't have any evidence."

[@adgdrgar]

The way they shuffle in their seats when he says "In the King James Bible....". Hahaha.

[@Maceman486]

Unless I woke up this morning to every media outlet with the headline "Earth shattering discovery proves existence of God!" then I already know how these videos end.

[@pkuan227]

Mike, you might as well stay in bed. Cause the fake media will never mention any truth.Why do you think they are called FAKE media???????

[@7thirdeye]

Matt thinking he heard "Have a nice white man" at the end was priceless. "Have a nice what?"

[@clarencerussell123]

My greatest hope is that someday someone will finally present that sweet sweet evidence we all search for.

[@nosfrattirek5690]

Caller: the bible says... Matt: "a book says so" isn't an argument Caller: well prove to me that god isn't real Matt: prove to me that other gods aren't real Caller: the bible says... These guys have so much patience.

[@cygnustsp]

It's just crazy that crazy people think they're not crazy and can point out what they think is crazy without realizing they're completely crazy. Ok ok ok ok man can't guarantee anything is 100% true but that doesn't mean God makes it all ok. Why is this so fucking hard??

[@KarlVaughan]

Classic. Guy comes on saying he can prove God's existence, doesn't, and then asks atheists to disprove the existence of God. What a waster.

[@stevewebber707]

There's a bit of a filter there. Intelligent people that understand debate and theology know that it's not possible to prove the existence of God. (barring some miracle that's not publicly known) The people that call in with those attempts are basically all misunderstanding something fundamental, and then hopefully learning something in the process. I do agree the burden of proof shift was depressingly foolish.

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

Yep, and this is how it goes 100% of the time.

[@tychophotiou6962]

Well done Jamie You did a brilliant job on this call. I was impressed with your mediation skills!

[@AussieNaturalist]

Nat is a good example of the Dunning Kruger effect in action, and it’s quite sad to listen to 🤦‍♂️

[@michaelpondo6324]

Trumps is the. Person afication of the. Dunning. Kreuger personality trait. This definition is also combined with sociopathic pwrsonalty trait and self deluded ego. To think that your needs are more ilmportant than the needs and wefare of humanity is self delusion thats why most people would cringe at the thought of serving in the highest office in the land.

[@alvarogoenaga3965]

@@michaelpondo6324 Ignorance is bliss, so they say.

[@CteCrassus]

@@alvarogoenaga3965 Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant; For the rest of us is a pain in the arse.

[@EustaBAracer]

Matt and Jaime start these conversations thinking they are equals with the callers. Theist callers start off thinking they're better than the hosts.

[@DJ8017]

"I'm not shifting the burden of proof", I'm going to just demonstrate that I'm shifting the burden of proof. hahaha

[@thomasgallipoli8376]

Don’t worry, Jamie, there’s a lot of love for you. You’re a great host and I’m glad to see you back recently.

[@thekububeach]

“Give me proof that there is no god!” Hahahaha I agree, that’s freaking funny

[@mrt4362]

so the bible is true because it said so inside the bible?

[@dieseljester3466]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Book of Mormon says the same thing. :D

[@Sergei_kv82]

So does all other theist books.

[@stewiegriffin1723]

The quaran says it too

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

I pitty the fool who believes in the bible. 😄

[@inertiaforce7846]

@@lucifers.morningstar3805 but it's the KING JAMES VERSION guys.

[@thedrizzle21]

I f****** love the way Matt argues it's so f******good.

[@gregoriopern2835]

4:58 “Im two steps ahead of you” lol

[@troyevitt2437]

And while you're busy jumping from one foot to the next, what is He doing? I swear, He's laughing His sick fuckin' head off!

[@frogstamper]

This caller is so far gone that basic common sense and reason just doesn't penetrate his addled mind.

[@billybobby7607]

Also isn't king James Bible revised edition?

[@aurorafrost288]

3 Important points, from three different great speakers, but all tied nicely together... 1: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 2: If you can't show it, then you don't know it. 3: Any claim that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[@douglaswilliams9487]

I just want to put Nat on an island and leave him there for a hundred years..........

[@wtfjesus8251]

... together with the 🐑.... I guess what happens... 😂

[@Unsensitive]

He would cease to exist. By his logic that means... ? He is wrong? Gog hates him? I'm not sure he had logic anywhere in that discussion.. sorry I can't form any conclusions.

[@seanjones2456]

What did the island do to deserve that?

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

Wilson! Wilson!

[@RogalloShaolin]

I read this cool book called "Lord of the Rings", so I believe in Elfs, Dwarfs, Hobbits,Orcs and Ents...

[@katie6384]

Me too! Let's make a church!

[@jonathanallard2128]

Must be true then

[@PGraveDigger1]

All hail Eru Ilúvatar, the one true god.

[@MaeljinRajah]

Hail Sauron

[@dougs7367]

Same here, and cool thing is the prophecies of the return of a king all came true!

[@Zethneralith]

I have difficulty understanding how there can be so many people who say "I have proof there's a God," but don't understand what "proof" means. Or who have no idea how logic works. I'm still mostly Christian, but some of these callers make it difficult...

[@wtfjesus8251]

@ZethMatthews: it’s hard...I was fundamentally Catholic-Christian 20+ years. I feel U pain. Buy I’m Atheist last 20y...and I’m happy like never before! So good-luck. 🤘

[@pansepot1490]

The guy is clearly not bright and “poorly educated”. I don’t think he really understands all the “technical” terms Matt uses like burden of proof, syllogism, logical argument, shifting the burden of proof etc. It’s not his fault if he has never been exposed to philosophy/logic/critical thinking and therefore looks so stupid, probably more than he really is.

[@quacks2much]

My question in no way is meant to be an insult or disparage you in any way, but what does it mean to be "mostly Christian?" Come all the way over to the dark side, we need you. :-;

[@XoArK]

Cognitive dissonance be like

[@Zethneralith]

@@quacks2much No worries. Questions are good. The whole answer would take too long for KZbin comments, though. (On that note, I'm tempted to call into this show.) In short, I'm somewhat on the fence currently. I'm 29 currently. I was raised as a fundamentalist Christian, and most of my life decisions, moral fiber, and personality are based around a fundamental belief that God is who He says He is (Biblically). I was even into apologetics for quite some time. My whole "existential crisis," if you will, started when I looked into the laughable Flat Earth theory and its proponents. The fervor with which someone could believe something so verifiably false got me to question what I believed, as well. That combined with some personal experience led me to where I am now: I want to believe, but the lack of even anecdotal evidence makes that quite difficult. So for now, I enjoy listening to both sides. :)

[@ianworley5842]

That statement by Jamie at 1:20 was so eloquent and well put. Loved it!!

[@x00p3]

Unicorns, dragons, satyrs and cockatrice are REAL, the King James Bible tells us so ...

[@nathanmckenzie904]

7:18 holy hell, his name is nate and he's black. I need to make sure all my heathen friends know it's not me

[@jeffc5974]

5:00 love the body language from both of them when Nat mentions the King James Bible.

[@bunnybismuth]

It's basically the unspoken version of "aw shit, here we go again"

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

They are indicating their inner thoughts: "AW, FOR F*%K'S SAKE!"

[@lvbdevinelove2329]

What jaime says in the beginning is literal gold. I move for his words to replace the 10 condiments to make the world a better place

[@oDTRAINo]

I think that even if you put all of the gay people on an island by themselves, they would be smart enough to have children if they wanted to. Plenty of gay people have whole families.

[@dieseljester3466]

I saw an extended tumblr conversation regarding this very concept and turned out to be hilarious. The gay men island would just trade with the lesbian women island, do the deed, and trade children so that both 'societies' could continue to grow. Then, as the bisexuals came in, they'd just transfer between the two islands as they pleased, all the while both islands would still be getting exiles from the Heterosexual mainland... LOL. XD

[@Kyrelel]

@@dieseljester3466 "Homosexual" is used to refer to males in the context of the bible. Some Bible-believers are actually in doubt as to whether lesbianism is even mentioned in the bible, and many that think it is cannot agree on what it actually says. Nat's statement is definitely relating to an "all male" island group. Also, no one mentioned the fact that if ALL the homosexuals were placed on an island, there would be considerable brain/muscle power in the group to devise an exit strategy.

[@patsaxon5284]

Plenty of gay people have whole families is because they adopted their children. There are many christian adoption agencies that will not allow gay people to adopt, and that includes singly heterosexuals. Christians believes that the only type of family is with a mother and father only!

[@samhagler5532]

I have nothing against gay (homosexual) people, in fact, to each is own, but your statement is absolutely asinine. An isolated homosexual group (either male or female) would be physiologically incapable of reproducing. Sorry, it's just how biology works on this particular planet.

[@oDTRAINo]

@@samhagler5532 I just said all gay people. That means if they wanted to have children they could even though they are not attracted to the opposite sex. Of course an isolated gender group would not be able to reproduce. It wouldn't matter if they were homosexual or not.

[@Pranav-rp8wi]

Whenever I see Matt and Bible in the title.. I just grab some snacks and enjoy the destruction.. lol 😆

[@rckli]

“All I’m saying is...” *ad* Ahhhaahhaha fantastic

[@Dr.vonKrankenhausen]

This is real vintage! Haven't heard these arguments in this show since 1997!

[@lifestylevisualz]

I really am addicted to these, the stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me lol. Edit: Where are the single free thinker atheist women at?

[@mads2858]

In Skandinavia, i can walk up to any person here and start talking about atheism and be 99% sure that the other person agrees with me

[@katie6384]

@@mads2858 it's the same in the UK. Most people here are atheist. Some of them hold Christian sympathies, by which I mean they might go to Church at Xmas and Easter for the community, go to Church fundraisers and generally see the Church and a force for good, but most don't actually believe anything.

[@mads2858]

Katie xox Same, we also enjoy the traditions, without actually believing in this nonsense. Hell, when I get a kid I'm probably gonna have it baptized aswell.

[@katie6384]

@Alec Wood very true!

[@katie6384]

@@mads2858 Yeah exactly. I love a good carol service and I want to celebrate the birth of my child in a pretty building that offers support to my local community with my family and friends. We can accept our past, see aspects of beauty in it and uphold traditions we find value in while still moving forward and making something better.

[@Jerkfacekiller2]

I love watching Jamie while Matt is talking

[@n1ghtmar3mach1n3]

I have to wonder if this is the guy who goes by NatTurnerTheGatBurner here on KZbin. I had opportunity to engage that guy, all the while he bragged about having an unbeatable argument. He never would come forward with it, though, even after asking me if I was ready to hear it. No wonder he never responded. I can't believe he brought that weak sauce to Matt's cookout.

[@adamgrotto8163]

I've seen him in the live chat here and I think Mr. Athiest's channel too. He is terrible. This caller could very well be him.

[@jrouche7009]

To host one of these shows and not have an anxiety attack from sheer frustration is a lot to ask.....

[@Not_An_EV]

"I'm not shifting the burden of proof im just asking you to prove your disbelief because im incapable of proving my belief without a circular argument"

[@amtlpaul]

Just in case Trollus Maximus turns up, he has made it very clear that his sole purpose is to troll and insult atheists. Do not attempt to educate him on what atheism is, as he has said to me, and I quote: "I don't give a rat's ass what atheists say." So unless you're into trading insults with a dogmatic buffoon, don't bother. Just downvote his comments!

[@wtfjesus8251]

Yep...eureka “because book says so” proof of God like 💩on sidewalks! 🙄

[@some-one-else]

Paul Beaulieu Whoop there it is.

[@fasillimerick7394]

If you put 100 survivors of testicular cancer on an island with 100 survivors of ovarian/uterine cancer, Nat will still think he made a good point.

[@MizzouRah78]

"I can prove god"....while every single argument begins with the assumption that he's already real. 😂

[@aggie7756]

I believe in Peter Pan and I will believe until you provide evidence that he doesn't exist. Ha!

[@inertiaforce7846]

I'm not shifting the burden of proof, I just want you to prove that Peter pan doesn't exist.

[@dx1450]

There's a book about him, so it must be true!

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

I also believe in Peter Pan, because I see it every time I go down the peanut butter aisle at the grocery store.

[@lawsonharrison6927]

proof means that after you present it I will be unable to not believe it.

[@swanclipper]

i'm going to use this more often. move over "wank bank" i need room for this one.

[@swanclipper]

@Ronove the only reason i don't like this statement is because a christian who actually reconciles scienctific discovery with a god, is genuinely ignoring personal thoughts in favour of actual proof when it's needed. the supernatural claim of their mind which concludes a god, is entirely seperate and therefore being christian in any capacity doesn't hold them back from that "proof" statement. i think maybe if you remove "christian" and replace it with the word "radical" then that statement hold true without resorting to the same nonsense you're trying to expose. fairy tales are told to christains, christians believe in fairy tales, therefore christians only believe fairy tales is not a good syllogism. radicals believe fairy tales, and fairy tales are told to everybody, therefore, radicals believe those fairy tales. it's more narrow and still a little short sighted but more on the nose and close to the point than "christian". i'm just trying to help you from alienating the wrong people. christians were the ones to persecute science and simultaneously bring it to the forefront in modern times, so without them, the world may look differently. both good and bad. but thisis what we have and christians, even radicals in their own times would favour science over religion and still hold their belief in a seperate box to the one labelled "reality".

[@SpongeBobImagination]

An atheist asks for proof so it can be denied. That is the only reason an atheist asks a believer for proof.

[@SpongeBobImagination]

​@Ronove __ You say that _"an atheist does not say there is no god"._ Would you be so kind as to tell me what you call a person who _does_ say that there is no God? What single word do you call that person?

[@swanclipper]

@@SpongeBobImagination first of all you condescending misleading prick, an atheist is a title, a description given to a person who answers the question "do you believe there is a god?" with a "no" or "i don't know.". obviously the simplest of things confuse simple people. second. a skeptic asks believers for proof. your clear lack of wisdom, knowledge, self scrutiny and the english language means you are not saying what you're thinking because a prick like you will never be specifc and will never answer the questions presented to you because they always, without fail cause a short circuit in your mind forcing a defense mechanism which makes you say dumb fucking shit. an atheist doesn't subscribe to the name, it's involuntary. just like having a dick or a pussy makes you a man or a woman. you do not get to choose it, you are designated a descriptor so we all know where we stand. one of the descriptions prescribed is the label "atheist" for anybody who doesn't say "yes" to the god question. that's it. end of story. fools like you who pretend to know shit nobody knows at all, are the reasons we have retards who think the earth is fucking flat. the same reason people kill themselves because they believe wholly that we are living in a computer simulation and think it's like a fucking movie and they will wake up in a fucking pod. the correct questions to ask about anything is "can you prove it?" and "why do you believe it?" these two questions cause cunts like you to be so defensive, you grab your comfort teddy, hug it and hope the questions just go away. fuck that, i'm alive, i'm living in the same world as you and i don't see any reason to believe in a god, much less respect any notions of one. prove there is a god, and i will no longer be an atheist. you are atheist when concerning Zeus. Odin, Triton, Osiris and every other god that died simply because we found the gap they were filling in for our ignorance. not knowing is the entire point behind science, it's there to show us that the shadows aren't scary and they're just a lack of perceptible space. all the thousands upon thousands of gods we have had in human history have all vanished into obscurity because we know there isn't a god of the wind, a god of love, a god of war, a god of death, a god of peace, a god of night pulling a blanket over the sky. all of these gods have vanished and became Myths. they're myths because we respect the fact that not knowing and not being able to communicate worldwide and effectively, caused these superstitions. that excuse is no longer reasonable. witches are no longer reasonable. magic isn't reasonable. we create universes full of gods and magic, we don't live in one of them. we mock magical superstition. we jest when it comes to levitation, flight, invisibility, invulnerability and all these other supernatural creations we once thought to be real. today, with everything we have done, everything we know and everything we can expect to know, it makes no sense to conclude without any evidence what-so-ever, that a god exists in any capacity. being convinced there is a god is far worse than not being convinced. i don't see murderers "saving" children by drowning them because a voice didn't tell them to. gods are no longer rational. atheists, as a group realise this flaw in the human mind and we ask simple questions instead of pretending you're right and then discussing the possible qualities of a god nobody has seen ever in the history of everything. it's arrogant to think you know. it's selfish to think you're right. it's absurd to expect other people to follow your word and your word only. so when a sceptical person asks you for proof, i suggest you stop suck that non existent dick and tell the fucking truth. (notice i didn't have to lump "believers" into a single entity to make my point. that's because you're a cunt and i'm just honest and correct.) also. "believer" says absolutely nothing. i believe i am typing right now. if someone asks me for proof, i can give them mountains of proof. i can record it through my phone, giving audio and visual perception. i can show the resulting response you're reading now, i can ask youtube to show record of the message being sent. i can dig deep into my computer and show the processing that takes place to show a corrosponding signal with each key pressed. i'm a believer in that sense. maybe you should learn to write shit down first, refine it, the rewrite it and then compose it on youtube because it's obvious to me your stream of consciousness isn't a stream, more of a dribble and the rest of us have to pretend to respect you for being a condescending fuck. you're the same arsehole who says "blacks" when you're referring to one individual and expect that to apply to every person who fits that description. and that makes you a cunt. most religious believers are amazing people, you on the other hand, are a fucking bastard and i can bet whoever you associate with wouldn't like you to represent them with such ignorance. go fuck yourself and please, don't bother responding, unless you have the time to delete your responses after we've done this a few hundred times.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

I'm not shifting the burden of proof, I'm just shifting the burden of proof.

[@TheTektronik]

The only thing the caller needs to do is get this God to pop up so that this whole controversy is done and over with.

[@paulmelville2126]

Methane no he needs to get a brain that works

[@AquaPeet]

"New! Popup god! Available at your nearest Toys'R Us store!"

[@Ciarian]

Instead, we see someone providing arguments, them being deconstructed and refuted, and then after realizing they fail, they complain and give a lame attempt to shift the burden that they cannot bear.

[@amtlpaul]

0p0

[@DJ-73]

@David Anewman you're sure are one to talk saying "you stink" when in another video you stated you like to fart

[@channalmath8628]

This guy must also think Calcium is evil, because if you take all the Calcium atoms in the world and put them on an island, that island would explode!

[@HansZarkovPhD]

Using the bible to prove gods existence is like using a comicbook to prove supermans existence.

[@scratchsatriani]

There’s a God! It’s the bald guy sitting on the left! 😂

[@tomgraves6463]

The bald guy is actually sitting on the right. He only appears to be sitting on the left because of the backward view point. 😜

[@robertlongwill8856]

@@tomgraves6463 Matt is on our left. From our perspective.

[@tomgraves6463]

@@robertlongwill8856 Right..... ( I agree ) 😆 🙋fun with words👍

[@boarder6246]

“The fact that a book says something does not mean it’s true.” So true. Just look at The Art Of The Deal

[@The_House_Velaryon]

I'm a god believing Christian and I have to give you guys a kudos for destroying the rampant ignorance from these unhinged zealots

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

Because your delusions are better than their delusions, right?

[@The_House_Velaryon]

​Because representing things based on out and out lying is the heart of the matter. Liars with horrible agendas. ​@@toughenupfluffy7294

[@Ciarian]

We can call this, The Great Restrictor Argument, where, In order for x to not be able to achieve y, there must be an omnipotent being stopping x from achieving y. Otherwise, x could achieve anything. We could be omnipotent but God is stopping us. So, in addition to God being the unmoved mover, they are also the great restrictor, in which without its power of sustaining their restrictions.

[@Enkidu-4U]

Personally, I refuse to allow the bible to be used as proof of anything in a debate. Or any other religious text for that matter. In fact, I consider it the worst evidence you could possibly present and you've already lost the debate. Also, it lends instantly to the degree of your intelligence. A debate is impossible with these people. They believe because they want to. They dont care if it's TRUE or not. They just like the idea which makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It's the equivalent of debating with a drunk when scripture is used. Its 2019. We know its BS. All of it. The whole book. Even if you dont believe all of it, you also cant win a debate using the 10 commandments or anything else in the bible as a good moral guide. Its laughable to even suggest that's where human morality comes from. Side note: the impossible is therefore extended when I hear African Americans bowing down to the God of Abraham. Lewis Carroll really had no clue how far the Rabbit hole goes.

[@dx1450]

If someone wanted to prove God exists by using the bible, I"d just counter that with Dianetics proves that Scientology is the one true religion.

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

@@dx1450 "The Napkin Religion is the one true religion, because it says so right here on this napkin."

[@putzthewondersloth]

Walking on water. In the middle-east, it's a miracle. Where I live, it's winter.

[@johniec5282]

Maybe there was a mini Ice Age when Jesus supposedly lived. Lol.

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

Why didn't Jesus do cartwheels on the water? Because THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS!

[@artomies1972]

There are 5 immortal species so far found, so there goes that argument.

[@jamieg2427]

What you fail to understand, Mr "Matthew Dillahunty", is that this caller is _two_ steps ahead of you. TWO!

[@landsgevaer]

Next: proving dragons from a scrap of paper I found under the burnt couch.

[@evanedge6962]

I hope he doesn't vote.

[@wtfjesus8251]

is sad but he will be, ..the God watching! U know?! 🥴

[@renamarkus663]

Would bisexual people be on gay island???

[@resablue]

That might mess up his theory

[@brianlawson3757]

That's just one more gaping hole in his "argument", if we apply the term loosely. Of course, we can observe homosexuality and bisexuality in other animals with ease. So, he would argue that nature is itself unnatural, because....? Basically, he's sexually threatened by other men expressing same sex attraction and engaging in acts he can't convince a woman to do with him. 🙄

[@thebodykeepsthescore2828]

@@brianlawson3757 😂😂

[@brianlawson3757]

@Stasis Field Not necessarily. Whereas lesbians enjoy an extremely low infection rate because the acts they typically engage in are low risk, others would of course need to use protection. But, homosexual, bisexual, and even polyamorous persons are no more likely to contract or spread STIs than their strictly heterosexual counterparts. Proper testing, medications, and the use of condoms could easily reduce the number of infections if everyone employed them. The idea that gay and bisexual people have riskier sex or more partners than heterosexuals is a feigned morality trope paraded by the religious who also claim HIV is a curse from God, created to punish sexual sin. Of course, that's patently nonsense.

[@Chelaxim]

I can't remember what movie I saw it in but a gay guy and a lesbian had a child using a turkey baster.

[@zen-sean]

“I only speak facts, oh and I’m gonna prove god exists using the bible” Dr.Evil: RRiiiiight

[@kevincraighead6993]

As a black man, I am embarrassed as hell.

[@ericlevin3794]

Dunning-Kruger in 'da house! 😀

[@janga75]

As a black man that man's ignorance has nothing to do with me

[@OfficialBawssMayne]

Right

[@jeffreybird6202]

Nat is american education at its finest.

[@GunUDwnAt2nd]

Nah, bro. I never learned anything that stupid in school.

[@joshuakohlmann9731]

This is simply beautiful. Stroke after stroke of short sentences with razor-sharp logic and every single preconceived idea of this caller falls to the ground. 3 years on, I wonder how much of it he took away....Something at least, I hope.

[@okaminotamashi7411]

"everything that's born must die" *laugh in Turritopsis dohrnii*

[@PGraveDigger1]

Even those animals will die, eventually.

[@PGraveDigger1]

@@mark_huisjes Eventually the sun will explode, and if they survive that there's always the end of the universe, in whatever way that happens. No animal, how biologically immortal they may be, will survive that.

[@PGraveDigger1]

@@mark_huisjes I agree that they can become billions of years old, but that is not what we're talking about. We're talking about immortality, not merely becoming very, very old. And eventually, even animals that can become billions of years old will die, it is inevitable.

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

So Jesus wasn't born, apparently. According to their HOLEY logic.

[@dannyflo5373]

If caller wants to pay for island retreat I need a vacay. 🏊🏄🚣

[@patar3323]

Beautiful. I'm sure he got off the call and went, 'ah, I thought i was ending on top, not so sure anymore'

[@samuelschick8813]

Nat: " If I had been around in the time of Jesus." Me: " If you had been around in the time of Jesus you would be a slave."

[@franktherealist481]

This is for Nate. I know 4 gay couples with kids. All the kids are straight. Those kids have kids of their own, 2 to 3 each, and only one of those grand children are gay. So, where is your arguments now?

[@anthonylong9067]

Frank The Realist meanwhile, straight couples have the option to not have kids or cant have kids at all

[@franktherealist481]

@@anthonylong9067 and that has to do with Nat's anti LGBTQ rant how? LOL! It's true what you're saying but that has zero to do with the fallacies Nate was advocating. My point is that being gay doesn't make any less human and respect is in order. People like Nate always say that God is live but show how much of a lie it is when it comes to LGBTQ, GRSM people. I'm a straight guy and I find it disgusting that people hate just for the sake of hating just for their differences. It's pathetic.

[@anthonylong9067]

Frank The Realist it seems like he is perpetuating the assumption that straight couples should be having children because “god said so” or whatever. Theists like him never consider the bigger picture

[@franktherealist481]

@@anthonylong9067 they never do see the bigger picture. You're absolutely right. They would rather sell their humanity and cater to their fantasy.

[@anthonylong9067]

Frank The Realist that’s basically what i was getting at I’ve asked theists how they felt about heterosexual couples who dont have kids, dont want any kids, or simply cant have any kids and they just avoid it. They cause a circular argument to make themselves feel smart.

[@richardmitchell2774]

The epiphany was “the fact that a book says something doesn’t mean it’s true”?!? You could hear the gears grinding to a halt. 😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@robmorcette4894]

Grade 3 was the longest five years of his life

[@davelanger]

Btw I know Matt heard, yall have a nice white man because that is what I heard the first time lol

[@davelanger]

@David Ortiz That is what I hear most of the time, but I think what he said was have a nice one man.

[@bofelden8433]

Matt and Leonardo are a great team

[@amtlpaul]

Again, don't bother talking to "Truthus Maximus" unless you like trading insults with a troll. Anyone thinking that they will ram some education through that thick skull of his will be sorely disappointed.

[@AC-gb7do]

Paul Beaulieu Wow, that guy’s got some issues.

[@wraith1117]

Go to Yale and study to pass an SAT? um,....

[@danielpinkney7176]

wraith1117 I caught that too

[@troyevitt2437]

As recently demonstrated by the College Admissions Scandal, there HAVE been Ivy League students occasionally required to retake the S.A.T..

[@Unsensitive]

I'd also like to know what "failing" an SAT looks like..

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

Dear Yale Representatives: I am applying to your school in order to study and pass the SAT. Thank you.

[@maxnullifidian]

Charles Bradlaugh said, "The atheist does not say," There is no God", but he says, "I know not what you mean by God"; the word God is to me a sound conveying no clear or distinct affirmation."

[@jasa_TheRealOne]

*Circular reasoning intensifies*

[@Justin.Franks]

5:36 Students in college being given books on preparing for the SAT exam?!?

[@jaycol21]

Something tells me this guy never had to worry about the SATs or college...or books