God's Hypocrisy: The Case Against Objective Morality

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Feels good to be back with a new video and this might be one of my favorites i have made yet. Thanks for being here!

[@20july1944]

BrandonTheDouchebag: are you saying there is no objective morality, or that God is immoral? Two separate issues.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

@@20july1944 Since this is a 45 min video and you made this comment after 8 min, it seems you have no intention of finding out from the video and instead wanted to insult me to get a rise. Your comments to myself and others have been downright abusive and harassing. You state time and again you are only here to pick fights. You do not argue or critique in good faith. If this keeps up, i will be blocking you for the good of everyone here.

[@20july1944]

@@MindShift-Brandon Your examples are not relevant: you haven't argued against "objective morality," you've argued God is a Meanie. Again, that's a separate issue.

[@carlasmith9093]

​@@20july1944calling people derogatory names because you disagree wth their views is surely a sign of objective morality. Guess it's true what they say about Christian love...(at least for some)

[@carlasmith9093]

Thank you for tackling this topic, Brandon. The hypocrisy of the apologetics on objective morality is one of the ones that I find particularly bad and irritating.

[@Hitoshura844]

I love the atheist response to the theist asking, "Why don't you rape and murder all you want if you don't have God stopping you?" the response being, "I do rape and murder all I want, that amount is zero because I'm not a monster, and I find it disturbing that the only thing holding you back is a fear of punishment."

[@user-by3ks9bp5d]

😂😂😂

[@Kenneth-ts7bp]

Atheists are born habitual criminals and they never grow up.

[@adrianpetyt9167]

As a method of evangelism, this is a really dumb one! If I truly believed that the person talking to me was full of desires to rape and murder and the only thing holding him back was a voice in his head, I wouldn't ask him to take me to his church and say, "I want what your god can do for me!" I'd back away speaking very calmly and advising him to seek psychiatric help!

[@Kenneth-ts7bp]

@adrianpetyt9167 It's human nature to do evil. That's why God has to give you His laws. Without God's laws, everyone does what is right in his own eyes. You live in a Christian country and benefit from its legal structure. Atheist countries are cesspools of Satan and robbery, rape and murder is acceptable if the mortal deity says it is.

[@alltimeislikethepresent]

_"the response being, "I do rape and murder all I want, that amount is zero because I'm not a monster..."_ When you say _"I do not rape and murder because I am not a monster",_ what by _"I am not a monster"_ do you mean beyond _"I do not rape and murder"?_ I mean, really, what are you saying if not merely: _"I do not rape and murder because [I do not rape and murder]"?_ So, basically, your response to the question _"Why don't you rape and murder?"_ is to say: _"Because I don't!"_

[@Paypaylove729]

My parents sacrificed me for their God as well. They are Jehovahs witnesses and when I decided I didn't want to be in the religion I was completely shunned by my family and friends and every person I had ever known. They choose this Abrahamic God over me and man has it been hard to cope with.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I am so sorry to hear that. I know how big that is in the JWs. It’s immensely sad what religion can do

[@reesecup3ify]

I was also raised JW, same thing happened to me. I've been out 25 years, it's been rough.

[@MaryM-w1k]

😢

[@ASM42186]

Nothing compares to the loss of family, but I hope you have found kinship in the world outside of the cult.

[@gjhartist3685]

Ex-JW over here as well. Lost family too, it's hard, but you'll come out strong, free, and wholly yourself one day.

[@missinterpretation4984]

The thing about a woman who didn’t scream loud enough during an assault is the earliest victim blaming. A freeze response is extremely normal. So is grooming where she isn’t even aware that what happened wasn’t her fault. Especially thinking how unmarried virgins back then meant teenagers, right? It’s just fn barbaric to say if she didn’t scream then she was into it.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes what a total lack of understanding of the human condition and psychology. One would think the god who created us would have understood that…

[@pansepot1490]

I think “unmarried virgins” covered the 11yo-14yo age range. By 15yo most were already married off.

[@ladyeowyn42]

@@pansepot1490 I hate this

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

It's even worse than that, because it's not even enough to scream. You somehow need to scream loud enough to be heard by other people (and then get those people to testify they heard your scream on your behalf). If your attacker has you far enough away from others..or, in a private room...or, attacked you when you were not fully conscious...or is simply covering your mouth...then you can do your best to scream & scream, but the only individuals who know you did your best will be you and your rapist. Obviously your rapist will lie & say you didn't scream, and obviously every person in your position will claim they screamed, so your insistence that you did scream is just a given to the people deciding your fate. (Like, if you're about to execute someone, obviously they're going to tell you they're innocent. If convincing you 'they screamed & no one heard them' is the only way to stop you from killing them, then of course that's what they'll tell you...and you'd be a fool to take them on their word.)

[@missinterpretation4984]

@@sorryifoldcomment8596 True and makes it all that much more sick

[@julianwahly3372]

I think i learned more in this 40 min video than 3 yrs of church. Excellent thought provoking points.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So glad to be helpful! Thanks for watching

[@NP70se]

Nothing thought provoking here. He incorrectly claims that God allowed a child sacrifice. Edit: and racism and other topics.

[@NP70se]

​​@@MindShift-Brandon Where does it say Jephthah burnt his daughter? He gave his daughter up as a living sacrifice. In Judges 11:37-38, his daughter tells her father to give her too months to hang out with her friends to lament her virginity. You think someone who is going to be burnt alive, is going to be crying over their virginity? That's the least of their worries. In Judge 11:39, it states that the father did according to his vow. But goes on to say "and she knew no man." "And it was a custom in Israel, that the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter Jephthah...4 days in a year (Judges 11:40)." If she was actually killed it would not read, "and she knew no man." It also states that the daughters of Israel went to lament with her yearly. As they initially did with her in verse 37. You and many Christians misinterpret this text. Her sacrifice is *somewhat* similar to Samuel's where his mother offered him as a (living) sacrifice to God (1 Sam 1:11,22,24,28). Anna the prophetess, who became a widow, dedicated herself to the temple (Luke 2:36-37). Had she not been married first and dedicated herself to the temple. She would have been a virgin throughout her life, just like Jephthah's daughter. You're wrong on many other topics too.

[@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv]

yes I agree great work. Your TOO NICE TO THE EVIL PSYCHO THAT BUY THIS EVIL GARBAGE. BUT YOU DID SHOW SOME OF THE EVIL FILTH IN THIS EVIL PEDO GENOCIDING BOOK

[@jm329]

@@NP70seIt says he did what he had vowed. “ I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.” And your other points about lamenting the virginity and knew no man line up with sacrifice as well.

[@shanehunt3019]

Christians think I'm immoral for being an atheist, but when I bring a bunch of stones to the divorce party they look at me all weird. Like c'mon guys this is YOUR tradition I'm just being respectful. 🤷‍♂️

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha!

[@rosemarietolentino3218]

Ya right that’s the way we do it 🤣 every divorce we throw stones.

[@areuaware6842]

Christians are pagans.

[@bearlh40]

Are you really though?

[@paultimson6674]

there are three harvests in teh bible. God removes all christians in the first harvest - we call it a rapture. Possibly this year. According to Daniel 12. end of harvest one? that's teh barley harvest over. The next harvest, is over seven years. YOU have seen a rapture? you see dead people wake up and they are fine. fully restored. so will you be an atheist, at that stage? will you say there is no God? when a billion dead people show up? and hundreds of millions have vanished? CLEARLY WHEN THAT HAPPENS.. EVERYONE ON EARTH with a brain? will say shit... God is real. I have no excuse? You may try to find one? But its obvious GOD EXISTS. No God has two more harvests? WHEAT and GRAPE. you can forget GRAPE? that's for Children. So you are wheat. Or you are a weed. The wheat and TARES, look the same? But the wheat droops. The Tares-weeds stand up straight. God sends his angels to gather souls bit by bit. over seven years. Those that refuse the mark, get the chop. They decide that life on earth is not worth eternity in hell. They are wise. They TRUST GOD. so get killed. Murdered. So after everyone decides if they want God or Life on earth. with a MARK. its over. The 6000 years have elapsed. God separated out the weeds and the crops. Only WEEDS think this is bad. TOUGH. You cannot go to hell thinking there is no God. It is CLEARLY DECLARED. But first God takes those who believe by FAITH ALONE. If you do not look for God today? DONT WORRY, he OPENS YOUR EYES WIDE post rapture. YOU SEE HIM. But do you want heaven? Or do you want to be a MURDERER? we see what happens from 2023-2030. today you say you are a good guy? lets see what happens in the next few years?

[@Trigger-xw9gq]

One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion. (Arthur C. Clarke)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Love that line

[@20july1944]

Are you an atheist, trigger?

[@christophergibson7155]

Incorrect. Morality has always come from God alone. That is why you have a conscience. The moral law of God is written on it. "who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)" (Romans 2:15) No matter what anyone says; famous or not; it will not change who the author of morality is, (the 10 commandments).

[@Trigger-xw9gq]

You need to realize that quoting scripture is pointless and useless. The bible is the claim, not the evidence. Fail. The fact that we can judge the morality of a religion clearly indicates that morals are grounded in something else. They are organic in their existence and evolution, and predate any religion. We couldn't have survived as a species without them.@@christophergibson7155

[@chrissonofpear1384]

My conscience tells me 2 Samuel 24, is the work, of a madman. And Leviticus 25, the work, of a scoundrel. Whilst Romans 1:20 is either, full of holes - or also, the work, of a scoundrel. Meantime - do you mean ten commandments version one... or version two? As I like my bread flat, or naan, or toasted... not unleavened. Plus, see your heart... and your empathy, and your mirror neurons.@@christophergibson7155

[@Dan_C604]

The latest lame excuse from a believer with these verses was “yeah, but you are not reading the verses IN the spirit….” LOL. Their cognitive dissonance is very strong. They will excuse their god no matter what. Great episode!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

They will indeed. I did myself for way too long and thank you!

[@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv]

yes they love that one.

[@daydays12]

Rather like they excuse Trump no matter what!!

[@Kenneth-ts7bp]

You are a habitual criminal.

[@d4-v1d22]

So you can only understand it if you’re in a Halloween store?

[@AtamMardes]

"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." Voltaire

[@DB-qw6xq]

A meaningless soundbite!

[@nics4967]

Or when the first man, thought good, was a fact outside his mind. A universe that is shot through with moral meaning is denied by logical positivism is it not?

[@HungryWarden]

@@DB-qw6xqthe Bible is filled with meaning text bites.

[@AtamMardes]

@@DB-qw6xq A simple question: Animals want to live their lives just like u do. U thank God for giving life to u & also for giving life to animals for u to take their lives & eat them. Don't u see how they've tricked you to believe in an imaginary God by fooling u to arrogantly ignoring your hypocrisy & narcissism?

[@broz1488]

The guy who said Christianity would be extinct within a hundred years of his death. He must be rolling in his grave to know that not only did Christianity not go extinct within a hundred years of his death, but that Christianity grew from 10% of the worlds population at the time of his death, to over 35% of the worlds population today.

[@Zahaqiel]

The "new covenant" argument alone kinda proves the point - how can God be an objective standard of morality if he changes the standards by which people are judged? Either the things are bad or they aren't. If they only "used to be" bad and no longer are, then morality is just a changing opinion.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes. It really is that simple. Thank you!

[@ZaiDrizzleDrop]

Dude thats something that I think all the time, the idea of a new testament/covenant never made sense, because shouldnt the bible and law be PERFECT? Shouldnt it fit, ALL times? Why would god ever change his mind if he is all knowing and can see the future and is always right?

[@lancemarchetti8673]

So are you saying I shouldn't stone my homosexual neighbor?

[@Zahaqiel]

@@ZaiDrizzleDrop Why would he need people to go commit genocide for him when he has supposedly demonstrated he can do that himself, like he did in Sodom and Gomorrah? Or why would he need to commit genocide at all if all sins are going to be resolved by him righteously judging people at the end of time? None of it fits together into a single coherent whole, because it never was a single coherent whole.

[@chameleonx9253]

Just to attempt to steel man the position, I believe the Christian viewpoint would be that the Laws of Moses are technically still in effect, we just don't necessarily have to follow them because the covenant with Jesus supercedes them. So, presumably, all the things God considered wrong in the Old Testament are still wrong, and all the things he considered good are still good, he just doesn't bother to hold us to that standard because accepting Jesus would erase those sins anyway. At least, that's what I would think the argument would be.

[@Zudovader]

As an elementary school age I asked my mom why we didn't follow the old testament laws or suggestions as I called it. She told me the new covenant line. But then I asked why we follow the 10 commandments and she didn't have an answer. It is all bull shit and even a child can see that.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes exactly. We were talked out of our reason though.

[@andeytubeyshamon]

Surely the first 3 commandments are good 🤷🏻😂😂 imagine a god, all powerful creator would say don’t have any other gods. He’s know he was the only one and if he wanted us to know and have a relationship with him he’d definitely be able to get his message across. Can only think that the people who write the shellfish one in had a falling out with the shellfish seller … probably didn’t pay the guys so they f##cked him 🤷🏻😂

[@missinterpretation4984]

Yeah it’s like we excuse the OT by saying that was ancient times but then we pull certain things out because God doesn’t change, right? So it’s the same God but we turn a blind eye to certain things. It’s a lot to process.

[@josephcollins6033]

Yes, but you were one sharp child! Bravo!

[@antondovydaitis2261]

Exactly. I've known this since I was a child.

[@roc5291]

Absolutely love when the hardcore religious project that Atheists are the way they are solely because “they just want to sin or they just want to be their own God”. Then you bring up ANY of this to them that God either did himself or looked the other way and all of a sudden, the excuse patrol shows up in massive force, trying to rationalize and justify all of it. But you can see in their eyes that they are massively struggling with trying to justify it themselves. You get a lot of “his ways are just higher than ours” or “well it’s just a matter of context”. Blah blah blah. Anytime I get this kind of garbage “logic” I end the conversation with: “If you need the promise of a reward to do Good and the threat of an eternal punishment to not do bad, congratulations, you now have the morality of a Border Collie”.

[@chamicels]

haha

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Well said!!

[@MG-ot2yr]

If I wanted to sin, I'd become a Christian!

[@davidmgilbreath]

Suspect that the “because you want to sin” line, is projection on the Christians’ parts; all being born sinners, by their very nature can’t avoid sining, but that doesn’t matter because as believers their sins are forgiven anyway, so they can sin all they like. Very convenient for someone who wants to sin.

[@roc5291]

@@davidmgilbreath Yes. That’s yet another massive problem I have with Christians. They are told from day 1 that they are the ultimate “Chosen Few”. Their congregation pumps their ego up to 11 doing this and so, when YOU sin, it’s because you CHOSE to do so. When THEY do it, it’s by accident, or because of the Devil or because of the presence of evil or because they didn’t pray enough or were 5% short on the collection plate for that week. But, thats ok, because they know deep in the back of their mind, that they are ALWAYS going to be forgiven and the vicious cycle starts anew. They will ALWAYS be the exception to the rule and that mindset does horrible things to good people.

[@CCP-Lies]

This channel is great, it teaches Christianity better than random pastors at random churches giving sermon on why you should tithe

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much!

[@DB-qw6xq]

people 'tithe' to many atheist organisations!

[@CCP-Lies]

@@DB-qw6xq except they don't force you and shame you if you don't want to donate. There is even a church that shows a list of people not tithing and accusing them of "robbing god"

[@timothybuckley7317]

Our tax dollars fund the teaching of atheistic evolution. We are forced to pay for it.

[@2pacaveli257]

This is why I don't watch mainstream preachers/priest on television, they are so narrow minded and inconsistent

[@johnwoolard4599]

I am so happy there is a new, and analytical voice in the atheist community. Sadly, the voices in public for atheism have grown stale. I am so happy I found you and hope to see you more in the debate world.

[@SusanForSeniorStrength]

I agree with you. It's cringe worthy watching You Tube content that goes out of its way to make Christians feel foolish or uneducated.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you. Thats quite encouraging! I hope so to eventually.

[@eprd313]

Genetically modified skeptic, Alex O'connor, Kristi Burke and DarkAntics are also doing a great job.

[@daydays12]

Agree.

[@scambammer6102]

@@SusanForSeniorStrength I don't care how christians feel and they ARE foolish

[@suicune2001]

Funny enough, Number 17 is why I stopped going to church in the 5th grade. As a young girl, I felt Christianity didn't like girls. Hearing about Adam and Eve over and over and over gave me the feeling everyone felt girls suck and ruined the world. So I didn't want to be apart of that.

[@theboombody]

Read Proverbs 31 to find girls the Bible doesn't hate.

[@suicune2001]

@@theboombody LOL! ONE woman who gets up before the sun, works her butt off all day, and constantly fears she's going to hell for no reason. Lovely. And I bet there were plenty of women like that who got raped and murdered anyway just because they were the wrong nationality.

[@BlessYourHeart254]

Suicune, I feel the misogyny too and can’t reconcile it.

[@suicune2001]

@@BlessYourHeart254 It doesn't help some places have rules like women can't be priests. It's really not hard to find, especially when you see the more extreme sects. There's this one place that doesn't allow girls to an education after 12 YEARS OLD. It's disgusting.

[@mattorr2256]

Good for you!!!!

[@Goldenrod6901]

It took me hours to just get a Christian to admit thay god commits genocide. They claimed he didnt commit genocide becuase he has the authority to kill whoever he wants... its very sad to hear those words from someone

[@MindShift-Brandon]

It really is. The brainwashing is so deep

[@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv]

They are MORAL MONSTERS. THAT'S IT.

[@starfishsystems]

But appeals to authority are not a case for objective morality. They're only a case for AUTHORITARIAN morality, which is another word for ARBITRARY.

[@ttdttd4211]

Sigh... atheist R fools who claim to be wise lol.. I noticed you use the lower case g for God... which means you're referring to Satan or a lesser wanna be god....than yes ill agree that Satan does commit genocide and is doing genocide till this day... what happened in Maui was a genocide...thanks Satan..

[@ttdttd4211]

Follow the 10 commandments and every will be good. Yeshau is God in the flesh .

[@craigmacaullay-ft2ws]

I’m not an atheist but you’ve nailed this with surgical precision. I was raped when I was 5 years old and my life has been a living hell, I know others have been through worse and no Religious comfort ever came 😢

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Oh man i am so sorry to hear this. Unfortunately, its all too common. Another reason to believe theres no personal god, at least not one that is good

[@METVWETV]

What you went through, no child, no person should ever have to suffer. But I'm at a loss to understand how this applies to this topic?

[@joeleniola9140]

@@METVWETV This is related to the topic because what kind of God good let this happen.

[@BurnThePastCreateTheFuture]

@@joeleniola9140exactly.

[@robertdrake1756]

Same here by the grandson of the minister when I was 10. I am very old now. No kids. No wife. No family. This stuff ruins a person for life.

[@chrisgreen8803]

“Do as I say, not as I do “ Signed god

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thats him alright

[@maggiebarrett7300]

Just like any other despicable dictator.

[@samuelpark3451]

We have this belief towards others who do not affirm our beliefs and morals.

[@karime3295]

@@maggiebarrett7300 yes God is despicable dictator

[@tinyshepherdess7710]

As a deconstructed, deconverted fundie, it's quite satisfying to listen to a point by point smackdown of the Word WITH the Word 👏

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha. Yes. No greater enemy of truth than the bible itself!

[@timothybuckley7317]

​@@MindShift-BrandonReally? Jesus Christ fulfilled hundreds of prophecies including Genesis 5. The names mean "Man appointed mortal sorrow but the blessed God shall come down preaching. His death shall bring the despairing rest." Jesus Christ needed a human mother. All flesh had been genetically corrupted outside of Noah's family. The flood was necessary to save humans. The Canaanites were also nephilim and needed to be eliminated for the same reason. I don't know all the reasons God does or did things but some of your objections were false, such as rape and then marry the rapist after he pays fifty shekels to the girls father. Those verses referred to fornication, not rape. The KJV Bible got it right but some translations did not. I don't have time or desire to go through all your objections. l am a Christian and I do trust that God is good. I have read the Bible cover to cover four or five times. Communism is rooted in atheism. I don't trust atheism to render good moral judgments. The United States was heavily influenced by Christianity and we do have our problems but we are far better than communist countries. Dictatorships throughout time tended to kill Jews and Christians first. Those governments are usually enemies of our faith. I do recognize there have been nominal Jewish and Christian dictatorships too. A Jewish theocracy had Jesus crucified.

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

You might want to check out Belief it or Not and Viced Rhino (if you haven't already).

[@refugex]

This is breath of fresh air. Thank you sir for this, this targets my doubts and religious trauma from Christianity. Now i know that im not just crazy or a "bad christian" for noticing these things. I just had common sense.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So glad to hear. Thank you!

[@josephallen3978]

This is a really well made and researched video that concisely puts together many many moral issues with the Bible. Thanks for making this!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that. Thanks for watching!

[@F-hj9mz]

DO NOT SKIP THE WRAP UP AT THE END!!! It starts at 41:00 and is some of Brandon’s best. Straight fire!!!❤

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you for that! I did go off a bit.

[@parkbyrd]

Your work is absolutely fantastic! Thank you!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you!

[@adam2aces]

I concur! This whole thing was great I love all the supporting Bible verses put right where you can see them, but the ending was🤘🏻

[@xtina2189]

"Don't be decived." "You're not allowed to have knowledge." "Don't question me." "You're not Worthy of a reply." "Don't be deceived."

[@thymeparzival]

If we examine the scriptures through the lens of human psychology we can see how the conceptualization of a hierarchical God who only speaks to the chosen one is the perfect tool for any narcissist to dominate other people with a morality of their choosing.

[@thymeparzival]

How to create a monotheistic religion in 3 easy steps: Step 1: Create an in group and an out group (aka: God’s chosen people vs the rest of the world). Step 2: Create a doctrine that outlines the different fates of the two groups (ie: the believers will live happily forever in some version of heaven or paradise while the non-believers will be tormented forever in hell). Step 3: Personify human psychology as Divine beings that have control over you and then condemn everything that could lead to self realization and empowerment as “occult” and “dangerous”. Congratulations, you’ve just made the foundation for 1/3 of the world’s religions.

[@marcellesmith6432]

I am not atheist, but can’t argue with this .

[@TheFracturedfuture]

You should be an atheist after this or at least not believe in Abrahamic religions.

[@TaeyxBlack]

thanks for making this. i’ve watched a lot of atheist v christian debates, and christians always whip out the “you don’t have objective morality” offense. this normally puts the atheist on the defensive, and it irks me because nothing about christian morality is objective. they need to be held to task to establish what about their belief system establishes an object morality and how they can demonstrate that, and this video is instrumental in showing that they can’t. they make claims about their god being an objective source of morality, but their own holy book proves their words wrong.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Agreed and thank you!

[@ttdttd4211]

Atheist are fools... lol. Probably debating a fake Christian any ways.. religion is man made... it's the relationship with God the father with his son yeshau aka Jesus is all that matters..

[@KeanuReevesIsMyJesus]

Wow! This is so jammed packed! Going to have to rewatch this a few times and saved for future referencing. Thanks for making this!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure! and man I love your name and image, ha!

[@daydays12]

Me too. I've bookmarked it. I have an impression that Christians don't read 'their' Bible.

[@christophergibson7155]

@@daydays12 Perhaps many "professing" Christians do not read their Bible. But there are millions who do! And they know where their righteousness comes from, and His name is The Lord Jesus.

[@nmr3647]

​​@@MindShift-BrandonGod sent the Pharoah muuuuultiple warnings over 400 years but your mad bc he got punished. But why are u so mad over a fictional God. Lol. You're the kid that had stuff and the minute you did something bad but were warned about it before and they took your cell phone you go around telling your friends that your parents suck. Like shut up doode.

[@nmr3647]

You are so impressed with yourself and it's sickeningm

[@lijwrites]

Honestly can't wait until this channel has a few million views. These things need to be said and heard this way. You can tell he's already run the rounds with these points and he's thoroughly heard the responses. I like to think of what my opponent would say when I argue, and it's refreshing to see someone else do it so well.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My man, thank you so much for that! Yes cant help handling objections preemptively.

[@daydays12]

I really agree. The more 'believers' that get to watch this patiently the better.

[@christophergibson7155]

@@daydays12 I watched it all the way through. It is quite something to see Brandon who knows better than God, pick out verses out of context. And I am aware of someone else who thought they were better than God too. The father of lies....Satan (alias Lucifer, ).

[@G_Demolished]

@@christophergibson7155😂It’s always “out of context” or “you just don’t understand it”.

[@christophergibson7155]

@@G_Demolished A hysterically laughing emoji = mocking and scoffing at the truth of the Word of God.

[@wynnsimpson]

All of these horrid words were written by human hands IN THE NAME OF GOD so that they could justify their actions. We must and should seek a higher morality.

[@mythicalducky]

That is not in line with the belief of christians. Many believe it's divinely inspired by god, so these horrific words were made by God according to them so by all rights, they should be following all of this in their trash religion

[@nauticdixons]

Does he even exist? Why do we even need him? We've not had it any better since we've known him.

[@theboombody]

We have a duty to do so. Apparently, nature gave us that obligation because nature itself has some sort of intent.

[@eriamiatoeefe1177]

Then nature is God?

[@mythicalducky]

@@eriamiatoeefe1177 calling anything. God is unnecessary nature at the very least exists

[@Venaloid]

The Bible is like a slimy politician's Twitter history: it says so many different things, and you can pick out whatever paints the picture you want to see.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha! For sure

[@Michael-o8k7g]

Yes just like trump and his cultists Maga nut jobs

[@arktype586]

I used to be a christian, i appreciate your videos a lot, thanks for your hard work

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you for that!

[@christophergibson7155]

"Used to be a Christian?" What happened to your love for Jesus?

[@freudianslip000]

​@@christophergibson7155This is a big, complicated question to ask someone to explain in a KZbin comment. Are you looking for an honest, thoughtful response or for an opportunity to evangelize?

[@christophergibson7155]

@@freudianslip000Sure, you can let me know your honest, thoughtful response.

[@Mayan_88694]

@@christophergibson7155you have no evidence for your god, none. Pathetic Neanderthal.🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@wesleypippin3700]

I wasn't that much of an intelligent or questioning child growing up in religion but it was always the "jealousy" that so easily stood out to me, it was so blatant, I never spoke out about it but seriously. You can't be jealous but also perfect it makes no sense. I'm glad my closest friends were smart enough to question most of the Bible and become atheists because of it and lead me into a better way of living and thinking

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Its a great point!

[@PursuitofTruth22]

Saying that it's domineering or controlling to desire your spouse's exclusive committment is baffling to me. Unless you think that "sharing" your wife with other men is cool, then you this passage about jealousy should make perfect sense. And yes, I will say that context matters. Sadly this video seeks to interpret every passage literally, which is why there's so much confusion about Scripture in the first place. Wrong interpretive key...

[@wesleypippin3700]

There lies the entire problem. That's your opinion, just one opinion out of thousands if not millions.

[@PursuitofTruth22]

​​@@wesleypippin3700Do you think sharing one's wife is okay? Is being unfaithful okay? That's the real question. If you don't think it's okay, then this whole argument for this sort of jealousy being "objectively bad" falls apart.

[@PursuitofTruth22]

Reading the Bible literally doesn't make any sense. It's a collection of books and contains various genres and intentions. Common sense and current biblical studies make my claim more than an opinion...it's truth. Sure, plenty of people will object, just like plenty believe the moon landing never happened. Doesn't change the hard facts.

[@jon.skeptischism]

It’s so strange how frothing mad some Christians get when confronted with what’s in their own Bible.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Right?!

[@alena-qu9vj]

@@MindShift-Brandon Yes, thats absolutely truth. Same as is strange how frothing mad some atheists get when confronted with believer's arguments they mostly do not even understand. Or how crazy a scientist gets when other scientists oppose their theory. Or how crazy a politician gets .... I see a pattern here - its not in the ideas, it's in the humans.

[@tmpwow4282]

​@alena-qu9vj The point is some Christians get angry about what their own holy book says rather than mindkessly accpeitng it as truth as the word of god. It's hypocrisy and stupidity combined.

[@mythologiesgodsgoddess6663]

⁠@@alena-qu9vjNEVER have I EVER seen an atheist frothing mad about a “believer’s” argument. 😂😂😂 Who in their right mind would get mad at hearing rubbish?

[@nics4967]

​@@mythologiesgodsgoddess6663 rubbish like claiming anecdotal experience of not seeing something is good evidence.

[@zar3434]

Another point about abortion. Even if we granted the point that God is completely clear that abortion is wrong, the most recent statistics I could find estimate that 10-40% of fertilized eggs never implant and are flushed out. That makes God the most prolific abortionist ever.

[@ulisesmorones5222]

Yeah, the estimations of my books back in medical school said about 20% of potential pregnancies are naturally aborted because of some defect (and people do not notice, this happens when the embryo is, at most, the size of like, your toenail at the largest, so you basically have a "normal" menstruation and never notice you were even pregnant). That is why I get so incredibly annoyed when some imbecile says they want to criminalize even spontaneous abortions out of some sense of misguided "morality" which I suspect is way more about power that it is about respecting the sanctity of life.

[@ethanlewis1453]

This is a logical fallacy. Failure to offer extra help is not equivalent to harm. By your own line of reasoning any and all paths to death for any form of life could then be considered a murder by God, but nobody really claims that as being true.

[@zar3434]

@@ethanlewis1453 You're saying that embryos only implant by an active act of God, and that if "nature took its course" no embryos would implant. Please cite where in the Bible it says this. By your reasoning it would seem that "Plan B" is moral.

[@TryingtoTellYou]

I mean if you can convince someone that killing is healing, what can't you convince them of?

[@zar3434]

@@TryingtoTellYou If you can convince someone that an undemonstrated and undemonstrable deity is real, will send you to hell for not following his instructions, and that you're the voice of that deity, what can't you convince them of?

[@SPL0869]

I need one or more Christians to volunteer and explain to me like I’m five how the ONLY reason why a rape victim wouldn’t “cry out” is that she’s somehow complicit in the crime being perpetrated against her or something to that effect.

[@christophergibson7155]

Of course you do not know what is going on during the rape in each situation. You are only assuming.

[@SPL0869]

@@christophergibson7155 well…the Bible claims to know that a woman who doesn’t “cry out” during a rape deserves death; so the Bible is doing the very thing that you’re saying none of us should do; which is “assume”. Hence the reason for my original question.

[@emmanuella2960]

@@christophergibson7155 i can't believe a person like you can actually exist. So comfortable trying to justify rape.

[@refugex]

Dude thank you for saying that. I used to read that passage as a Christian (and a former rape victim) and it made me cringe so badly to know that I had the potential of being both assaulted and killed. Screw Christianity, I'm glad I'm finally getting to my senses and leaving this toxic "relationship" with God lmao

[@SPL0869]

@@refugex you said a mouthful. Screw Christianity! And thanks for your comment!

[@oliversch2183]

Among Christians who start to question their beliefs this video should lead to a high deconversion rate.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

One would hope. These topic’s definitely had a huge impact on me during mine.

[@gearaddictclimber2524]

Absolutely love how direct and hard-hitting your delivery is. This is good-faith but real criticism of contradictory ethical systems. Good on you and you’ve got a subscription out of me!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that so much. Thanks for joining the fam!

[@magdajanik5817]

This video made me think of that one time where I had a conversation with a Catholic priest who took a stab at trying to convert me, or at least "plant a seed of curiosity about my God". He had a background studying Bible as a scholar at a university and made it very clear stating directly that he does not believe God is loving nor forgiving, but as long as he as the priest is going to worship him even out of fear he is still going to be spared and blessed with life in heaven. I was taken aback on how somebody can have this level of awareness about the horrendous acts of Christian God, their own motivation for worship being fear, and still so passionately dedicate their life to converting others.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Its wild to try and understand

[@jamelahallsdyer]

Nah that's crazy

[@mattorr2256]

Most likely he’s a pedophile

[@ertymexx]

To me that sounds like a mix between stockholm syndrome and fascist apologism. "If you can't beat them join them", sort of. 😕

[@Arcann-501]

Why do you blame God for a catholic (usually a sect of christianity that totally smears the true Bible) priests way of thinking? He clearly was taught to think in a very negative way! Probably doesn't even know Jesus died for our sins because he loves us!

[@smugism1685]

Not someone who identifies as atheist but thank you pointing out the buckets of Blood and injustice that paint the pages of the bible. Anytime I try to sit and discuss these disturbing attributes of the christian god with them, it would just feel like im talking to someone with Stockholm syndrome. It's utterly baffling.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I hear that!

[@theboombody]

One of the more interesting things is God uses the Assyrians to punish the Israelites for their rampant sin. It's possible for God to use non-followers to defeat his followers, and a similar thing might be going on today.

[@DrumWild]

As a life-long non-believer, my morality is about sympathy, empathy, and Humanity, and it is based on the philosophy of DO NO HARM. I don't need a fictional being to back any of it. Meanwhile, we see American Christians going against their bible time and time again. Hatred and contempt for the poor, the immigrant, and those in need. Siding with the rich man over Lazarus. Declaring to be "pro-life" while calling for the death of Taylor Swift because she had the nerve to tell her fans to vote. Deification of ex-government employee Donald. Lying in service to the lord. The list goes on. They're immoral filth hiding behind a cross, a bible, and a flag. Grown adults should know better.

[@juanausensi499]

That's the sad irony of all of this. If the Bible is true, most Christian Americans are going to hell. The problem with American fundamentalism is that is based in both theism and American exceptionalism. Theism in Europe is almost a non-issue.

[@ZaiDrizzleDrop]

agreed

[@kevinstclair7692]

DrumWild; I could not have said it better, whee, you preached.

[@waltglass7055]

It really doesn't matter what your pattern of beliefs are. Because they are just yours. There is nothing significant about of you spare or take life because neither you or anyone else has an objective truth of morality. Just because you don't cause physical harm or whatever does not make you good or bad it just makes the same as everyone else if there is no God, thus no real morality. With that being said, if God is real, based off whose authority can you challenge his? Also just because some Christians don't practice what is taught in the bible doesn't mean they are going to hell. That's a fundamental misunderstanding you have of what Jesus did on the cross. We don't go to heaven based off the good we do here. We go to heaven based off believing in God as our lord and savior and redeemer. Only through Jesus can you get Into heaven. That's not to say Christians are free to do as they will.

[@TheMahayanist]

​​@@waltglass7055Morality isn't based on authority. You and your God are still immoral even if he existed. Also Matthew 24 says hypocrites WILL go to hell. So yes, Christians will be going there.

[@davidkonevky7372]

As a child I think the part of the bible that always struck to me as odd was the beginning, specifically the adam and eve story. "If god didn't want the apple being eaten, why did he put the tree" most Christians laugh this argument off as if it wasn't valid and it's kind of funny. They think "it's more nuanced than that" and look all smug but anytime they try to justify it it's an extra step to just distract from the fact that god can't be all loving, all knowing, all powerful at the same time and have THIS world as a result.

[@nics4967]

The very fact of there being God and a free willed being logically entails the possibility of pride. You seem to want your cake and eat it too.

[@nics4967]

Yes, because having all power and using it are 2 different things. Free will logically entails not using all power. It logically entails a permissive will such that you can do other than you ought. So that when you do what you ought, you are not forced to do it but co-operate with God. You seem to claim all good and all-powerful mean forced religion (binding of the will to God). Is forced religion good?

[@davidkonevky7372]

@@nics4967 the person who created that logic in the first place was god, if he can't change logic for the better of his creation then he's either a flawed god or a intenionally evil god

[@davidkonevky7372]

@@nics4967 You know what? Yes, I want my cake and eat it to, I think that's the least an intradimentional god like powerful being should be able to give. And the fact that he not only sucks at his job, but constantly asks for worship in a narcissistic manner makes it very obvious that it's not a real god

[@nics4967]

@davidkonevky7372 you want the logically impossible? You call expecting God to do the illogical a logical argument?

[@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm]

This is definitely one of your best videos. It's maybe the most digestible, yet detailed explanation for why i will never worship the Christian God. The moral argument didn't make me an atheist, but it's doing a great job keeping me here.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Oh i like that. Not what god you here but keeps you here and thank you so much!

[@AighEnoughAlready]

Yeah. Because of course it's rational and wise to presume your finite self a better judge of character, entertained thoughts, motives, words, and deeds than your all-seeing, all-knowing God, let alone that He would work against all of His efforts to end evil not just once, but forever, by being evil Himself, and presume Him stupid enough to call us to reason with Him, taste and see that He's good, and love Him with our whole "hearts," minds, and strength, yet give no good enough reason to and every reason not to. Oh, the folly of human wisdom, the breathtaking nerve and audacity to think such a thing. Truly breathtaking. Besides, if you only knew how many texts he needlessly and seemingly breathtakingly-shamelessly overlooked and has been consistently overlooking all along, needlessly and unjustly twisting and maligning God's holy character, you'd know better.

[@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm]

@@AighEnoughAlready So you seem to suggest I'm being mislead by the video and by my own intuition. Why, in what I presume is your worldview, am I punished for being genuinely mistaken? Why is god so cruel to allow that? I never chose to leave the faith. I merely became unconvinced. I don't see how that's my fault. That's your god's problem. If I've assumed too much, let me know where I'm wrong. Because every Christian I talk to seems to follow a completely different set of beliefs.

[@repelsteeltje90]

​@@AighEnoughAlreadyThe number of texts Brandon didn't mention is utterly irrelevant. Would you defend a murderer by counting the number of people he didn't kill?

[@eprd313]

​@@AighEnoughAlreadyno, I presume that my finite self is more rational and coherent than the primitive finite men who made up such a deeply disturbing god

[@paulcleary8088]

I've made a few of these arguments for years, but you did a wonderful job of susinctly illustrating so many of the issues of God's morality. Well done.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you very much!

[@veganatheistandmore]

Brilliant! Love this video. Right to the point, and packed with truth. Btw, I was so happy to see you on the show with Matt! We are very fortunate to have you. Thank you for your work!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Oh wow. So very kind. Thank you for all of that!

[@beecontent]

Thank you ever so much for making this video. Everyone should watch this video and examine all the Biblical verses you have listed.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that!

[@GrimAngel01100]

Told someone "Morality cant be objective since god is a subject." And then they asked me to rephrase it since they didnt understand and they actually thought I meant god is something like math or history. Imagine arguing against subjective morality and not knowing what a subject is 😂

[@Yggdrasil42]

Hmm, I also don't understand it because English isn't my native language.

[@GrimAngel01100]

@@Yggdrasil42 what? Thats irrelevant to you not understanding.

[@starfishsystems]

​@@Yggdrasil42 A couple of books could help you. One would be an English dictionary or encyclopedia. The other would be a philosophy textbook, in any language that you prefer to use, but to introduce you to the concepts of "subjectivity" and "objectivity." These concepts were originally taken up in Greek, then later in French and German, so there's no reason to rely on English in order to understand them. But since THIS discussion is taking place in English, you have to expect to encounter English terminology. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivity_and_objectivity_(philosophy)

[@ttdttd4211]

Lol you use lower case g for God...lmao... so the god youre talking about could refer to Satan lmao

[@GrimAngel01100]

@@ttdttd4211 no, that was stupid of you to say

[@eyeswideopenapril]

❤ oh my goodness that’s one amazingly well thought out and executed piece of art/work!!!❤ This is a book in the making! Thank you thank you thank you! My husband and I are so grateful to you for bringing us through this difficult journey!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you for that! Too Kind as always

[@markbarrios4370]

I've been looking for video to send to family and friends that don't understand why I don't believe anymore. I think I found it in this one. Thanks Brandon

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Glad to be of use! Thanks so much for watching

[@DwayneShaw1]

A 'Prime Mover' creator god cannot exist. Assuming a state of 'nothingness' is even possible, If the claim is 'something can't come from nothing' (nevermind the special pleading) then something certainly can't exist in nothing either. If this Prime Mover created 'everything', where did he exist before he created a place in which to exist? (answers akin to "He's the Great and Powerful Oz" - are neither satisfactory, logical, or demonstrable) - 'Being' implies a place in which to 'be'. There had to be some form of spacial construct for this god to exist in before he could exist in it. Religions, by their own arguments, have created a god that is nothing existing nowhere. Not to mention that vague deistic arguments for a god are completely pointless - because a god that doesn't interact with It's creation is as irrelevant as a god that doesn't exist (this applies to all lessor god claims too). The only relevant arguments for religion must be about what this supposed god does for, or to, the universe - not whether a god merely exists... and ALL specific claims about magical interactions of a deity are unproven, illogical, and absurd - and often horridly immoral; thereby rendering the entire premise moot. You can all go home now - the war is over ... Claiming, "God exists outside space and time" is incoherent and vague -- unless 'outside space and time' can be clearly defined and proven to exist one might as well insist, "God exists banana".... and if you can't get past, "in the beginning", there's really nothing left to talk about. (I could have abridged all this to simply asking (the Abrahamics, anyway), "So, "in the beginning there was day and night but no sun?)

[@BobPearson-zr1mi]

There can't be free will if you can't refuse God without penalty.

[@Arcann-501]

There is free will! The way you are putting it is like saying God controls evil! That is wrong! The absence of God is the devil and the world of suffering and darkness! You are blaming God for the consequences of your decisions that are clearly warned about by God!

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

​@@Arcann-501if god has a plan free will is impossible

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

If god can see the future free will is impossible

[@evangelicalsnever-lie9792]

​@@Arcann-501*Question:* Does this omnicient, omnipotent, omnipresent, presuppositional, so-called "god…" …that the religion wants everyone to believe in… *…know…* …who will go to Christianity's presuppositional, so-called *"hell"…* *_👉 BEFORE* it "creates" each person? *YES?* Then thanks for admitting that Christianity just doesn't matter to those not *pre-selected/predetermined.* With a Tri- Omni know-it-all, _God-With-A-Plan,_ the Christian God Model can ONLY work with *pre-determination!* *Even the bible admits:* _"Few will make it."_ _Nothing a human can do,_ can make what the god _THOUGHT_ was *true* in the future… _…turn out to be_ a *lie* in the future, making the god a liar. *It either sees* a 100% truthful future before it "creates" each peson - _or it doesn't exist_ because it can't meet the basic specifications laid down by Christianity itself. *Think about it;* IF the god sees the future as a pure truth, and selects _you_ for 'heaven,' and sees you going there, *BEFORE creating you…* …then the god MUST do whatever it takes, manipulate your life however required, to *insure that the truth it sees before 'creating' you is **_never a lie,_* or else now we have busted the religion and presuppositional, so-called "god," and it doesn't exist, because it doesn't meet the bare basic requirements and specifications that the religion wants everyone to believe in. *NO?* - the proposed god does NOT know all things? Does NOT know who goes to heaven or hell *BEFORE creating them?:* AGAIN - now we have busted the presuppositional, so-called "god," and it doesn't exist, because it doesn't meet the bare basic requirements and specifications that the religion wants everyone to believe in. *Which is it?* Thus, Christianity doesn't matter. It's out of human hands if that particular supposed god exists. So _Que Sera Sera._

[@basicallyshalieen5574]

@@SNORKYMEDIAbut it possible tho, God knowing anyone’s future and plans is like the concept of Multiverse without the different dimensions been in our existence. Let’s say you got thirsty and you think of two things “should I get water or milk?” If you pick water, God knows what would be your next move on that end, if you pick milk, God also knows what would be your next move *but* it won’t be done the same way if you where had picked water. Our decisions won’t have the same circumstances no matter how similar the choices are, only God knows how that would look like, when God says he has an establish plan it doesn’t mean that we were wired to do exactly what that plan goes but it is at least expected to be done (especially if you’re a believer). Which leads to the beauty of free will, you decide whether you want to follow that plan or not, you’re not obligated to do it anyway.

[@fizzie6902]

I remember hearing my mom listening to a Christian KZbinr a while ago responding to an atheist. The atheist said “Where’s the proof that god exists?” or something along those lines. The Christian KZbinr responded by saying “You believe in morals right? Without God those morals don’t exist. God is objectively moral.” Or something like that. Now my parents have been fundamentalists Christians since 2020. I still live with them due to financial issues and up until that point I had never heard the “Objective morality” argument . But I just remember thinking to myself “That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever fucking heard. It makes no sense. Im not Christian but I know that murder is wrong. I know that rape is wrong. Why? It’s fucking common sense? Because it hurts other living things? So now they believe that the only argument for morality existing is fucking god? I’m so fucking tired…” Those words exactly.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Man i get the frustration for sure!

[@smidlee7747]

As Jordan Peterson asked Matt Dillahunty why does his life has value and he said don't claim that is self evident since that's goes against skepticism. Matt couldn't give a good answer why his life has value. This is the problem with skeptical atheist claiming "murder" is wrong. Most people claiming to be skeptics are fakes. “A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion” - Francis Bacon, the father of empiricism.

[@repelsteeltje90]

​​@@smidlee7747That's not a difficult question at all. Humans have decided that human life has value, and have made laws accordingly. Without it they would have been unable to build the socieries that they did. Nevertheless, different groups still have different opinions on how absolute that value needs to be (war, capital punishment, euthanasia, abortion etc.).

[@smidlee7747]

@@repelsteeltje90 But of course we have tons of examples of humans deciding human life has no valve. So if the government makes laws to wipe out a certain race according to humanism then it's ok since men decide if life has a valve right? That's the lame answer Matt gave Peterson " My life has value because my ancestor thought their life has value. When someone don't believe their life has value then they will commit suicide." Even the audience laughed at that answer. Now someone can" believe" their life has value is not the issue. Remember Matt is suppose to be a skeptic as Peterson said it's self evident is not an answer for skepticism. Matt loves to attack theist on the foundation of their belief (just like this skeptic) when he couldn't provide any foundation for his belief that his life has value. Peterson knew this.

[@rageofheaven]

@@smidlee7747 "Matt couldn't give a good answer why his life has value" I'm going to guess Matt did and you just chose to ignore it.

[@tywhitmire860]

New sub here, and I'm so glad I found your channel! I'm a former christian and a bible study on the book of Job brought me to my senses and began my journey as an atheist. I enjoyed your subject and presentation. Well done, and thank you!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thats very kind! Thanks so much for being here

[@johnnynesbit8289]

We are weak human. Always subject to higher powers. You will find this out one day

[@MrDalisclock]

I knew the job story was messed up. I didn't really process how messed up until Brandons SBS video on it.

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

Wow. This was hands down one of your best videos. Maybe *the* best. Not much I can add, really. One of the top factors in my deconstruction was realizing just how ethically inconsistent the Bible really is. It is so painfully obvious to anyone with even a shred of intellectual honesty that the morality of the Bible is not in any way, shape, or form objective. Fantastic (and thorough!) job breaking it all down. Curious to see if/how anyone will actually try to rebut you. :)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you very much, my friend!

[@lancemarchetti8673]

*1.On what basis do you judge the morality of an ancient Hebrew book?* *2.What is the source of your moral law in order to judge a moral law that preceded Charles Darwin? Please produce a scientific answer with emperical evidence to back your claim.* Thanks.

[@britaom3299]

@@lancemarchetti8673 1) Because I would never think of harming another human being, let alone actually doing so. For example, I would not order the mass slaughter of people just because they happen to be in my way and I want their land. I would not wish to force a virgin rape victim to marry her rapist. I would not order the mass incarceration and torture of people for merely not "believing" or "worshipping" me. I guess the moral principle at work here, and is probably what guides almost everyone today, is the idea that it is wrong to bring harm, hurt, and suffering to other people. This is empathy. On this principle alone, your bible can be demonstrated to be a very immoral book. Grotesquely so. 2) There are plenty of scientific studies you could consult that demonstrate that empathy is a product of evolution. I would also point out how much liberal and tolerant the modern world has become as humanity has evolved into a "global village." Pretty easy to be a Christian bigot when you are confined to your trailer park in the south and those are the only people you EVER traffic with. However, with the rise of mass communications, we are increasingly in contact and trafficking with other people from all sorts of diverse backgrounds. The more people experience "the other" the more and more tolerant and liberal they become.

[@AighEnoughAlready]

What little you don't realize you know. "try to rebut you" I did, plenty. I encourage you to read my posts.

[@AighEnoughAlready]

@@britaom3299Do you really not get that the reason we value equality and empathy is not because the Enlightenment's philosophers invented them, but because of the centuries of influence by the many Protestant reformers before Martin Luther like Roger Williams, the founder of Providence, Rhode Island, and the Waldenses and Huguenot? Without them, you likely wouldn't value them today, but instead survival of the fittest.

[@bauhnguefyische667]

It’s incredible how God doesn’t actually do anything but relies on thugs to do it.

[@televizija5646]

Just like Hitler 😄

[@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv]

YES WEIRD. ALMOST LIKE HE NOT REAL.

[@nanotech1921]

and the things he does apparently do on his own involve petty murder or mass genocide

[@samhagler5532]

Excellent video! ❤ So well thought out and documented from within the Bible itself. Please keep up the good work. You have great educational skills.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thats lovely to hear. Thank you!

[@clivespendlove5993]

This is the first thing I've watched of yours and, without any exaggeration, I am astonished. You have reminded me of stuff I hadn't seen in the Bible for many years, things which when I was a Jehovah's Witness I didn't question. Your argument is now so convincing that I now can't see me ever being tempted into reverting into anything like faith in the Abrahamic god when I hear the highly selective Bible readings I hear in church services - which I attend for purely musical reasons.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

That is a very kind compliment. Thank you so much for being here and i hope you fond my other work as useful!

[@hyprlab]

The density of the content you covered more than made up for the longer runtime. This is the kind of video I want to send to my Christian friends to get their gears turning. I think it’s so important that they see the Bible challenging itself with its own verses. Hard to argue with and quite eye opening.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks, Jason!

[@benfreeman9717]

A lot of good stuff in this video. I was raised in a Christian fundamental environment. I'm almost 40 and I'm still deconstructing and trying to figure out who I am.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Its a hell of a process. Wishing you well on this crazy journey!

[@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv]

christendumb2 woke me, he does great shows like MS

[@biomuseum6645]

Christians when they run out of excuses: *god's ways are higher than ours* 🤓

[@ThroneofDavid8]

They're right, His ways are higher.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Right! Always lol

[@FaptainCalcon750]

Skeptical Theism. Basically another way of saying "I give up" without actually admiting it.

[@joebidet2050]

Or You have to have faith

[@Jonas-gl9ke]

Thanks for all the time and energy you put into making this video.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure!

[@johnwoolard4599]

New Law does not mean New God. It is the most ridiculous argument against this evidence. The second stupid argument I hear to defend evil God is God is above morals, which is the excuse of a psychopath.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Woefully inadequate

[@mistylover7398]

Yup

[@lancemarchetti8673]

You sound like a studious fellow. Please unpack the theological construct of the book of Hebrews majoring on the theme : "How Jesus' ministry, death and resurrection became a fulfillment of the woefully inadequate Old Testament Law." This is a 1st simester question by the way, and worth about 85 marks. If you cannot, or do not wish to dive into that, then please refrain from shallow comments which make your personal opinions sound like facts. Let's deal with the details.

[@johnwoolard4599]

@@lancemarchetti8673 Wow, you are so intelligent resorting to the University argument of fart smells. I teach in University and I would never assign anything with the attitude you do. KZbin is not your University class so all you have to do is ignore me if you do not like it, while we thinking primates will continue to assert either God's word was from one god thus he is confused and not perfect, or from two distinct gods which makes you worshipping, hmm let me count real quick (angry OT god, Loving{but not really} NT god, the son, the holy spirit), 4 gods.

[@unknownx7252]

​@@lancemarchetti8673lol, you again.

[@jackskellingtonsfollower3389]

I can already hear the "That's not God. It's Satan/demons saying those things" excuse.

[@MateoVilhelmo]

Thank you sir! People have no idea what their faith looks like from the outside, it's actually depressing how much people's imaginations have been weaponized against themselves :/

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Agreed, and thanks so much for watching!

[@kenshiloh]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. What is your biggest objection to the Bible? Thanks!

[@StoutandSteady]

This type of podcast is priceless. There is no hope for humanity until ancient superstitious mind control dogma is extinct.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you so much!

[@StoutandSteady]

@@MindShift-Brandon Stumbled on your vids yesterday and I am very impressed. You have a sharp rational mind and I will be watching more of your work. Thanks

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that bug time. Thanks for being here!

[@johnnynesbit8289]

There is no hope for humanity. They are so prideful and self righteous and very sinful in general

[@DB-qw6xq]

Like atheist Communism?

[@duanethompson8770]

I enjoyed how you used verses from the Bible to show how immoral the Christian’s god is. I also want to say how much I appreciate your work on Paulogia’s website.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks, Duane. So glad to have you watching

[@Kenneth-ts7bp]

He is a liar.

[@TheQuestion27]

@@Kenneth-ts7bphow so?

[@epicofgilgamesh9964]

​@Kenneth-ts7bp He's really not. It's all in the Bible. When will you people grow up? --------------------------------------------------------- *This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.* I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along. *It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill.* For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! *Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody!* In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ***This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.*** ***Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK.*** If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. *Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:* For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). *I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.* The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice. *And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:* It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17). There are many more quotes on this topic at my Do Not Ignore the Old Testament web page. *If you follow the links on this site you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers.* www.evilbible.com/ Watch *"Context!!!!!!"* by NonStampCollector (A good video for believers who try to rationalise Biblical atrocities and immorality by saying "Out of context".)

[@BagzAndPresident]

@@Kenneth-ts7bp🤡

[@ryaneliasbaker]

This is the greatest video I’ve ever seen on religion. Perfect points. Perfect citations. I’d hate to see some sick person try to justify any of this.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you so much. Thats very kind. And enjoy the comment section, then.

[@ralphcharles7673]

Lol. All of them are weak points. You can use this against weak theists not the people of God. Atheists never cease to amaze me. They don't even understand one thing about God or the bible .

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Then you should have no problem going through each if them to help me learn how i was wrong instead of being the next countless person to tell me i don’t understand the bible and then do absolutely nothing to show how i am wrong except to insult.

[@sammie4166]

@@ralphcharles7673 then please debunk all of his point, one by one in detail, it should be easy as it is just some "weak Points" i'll be waiting

[@beyonderkai798]

only thing I dont get is how you judge God, assuming he is real anyway. Like hypothetically speaking if you met him and the end of time would you say wow look at all this immoral stuff you did. How can you say what is right or wrong when your talking to the literal God of everything is my only question I guess.

[@Know_Thy_Salt]

This is incredibly helpful for those of us who are well into our 40s and have spent the last few years deconstructing. I appreciate and applaud your articulation on this topic. My husband is a seminary graduate and works for a Christian ministry. We have a solid marriage and three children. He has lovingly been holding space for me during this process, for which I’m grateful. But my hope is that he too will eventually see the fallacies and the actual truth of this horrific religion will be revealed to him. Thank you again for creating these concise videos for us to unpack and navigate this journey together.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure. Exact same spot with my wife. Wishing us well!

[@Kenneth-ts7bp]

You cannot become more deluded. You are already maxed out.

[@PursuitofTruth22]

What lead you to decide to deconstruct?

[@CraftyCarder-pe8zx]

May you find your way back to Gods everlasting open arms.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

@CraftyCarder-pe8zx too many examples of god closing his arms and turning his back in the bible to ever make that claim

[@stevenhogenson4880]

This is one of YOUR BEST shows!!!! Wish I could get my wife (who IS a believer and cannot understand why I am no longer) to watch your material.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much. Wish my wife would figure this out also. Maybe one day!

[@fcknhorrible2851]

Hello. I am a wife who has figured it out. Just understand that some people come around, and some don't. Be patient with your partners and let them know that your love is unconditional. Let them know they do not have to follow commandments or rituals to be worthy of your love. And that no one truly knows the truth, no matter how sure they are.

[@pena_colada]

Bruh, beautiful and logical. Precise rational and proof. Thank you!!!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much!

[@HayateGhost]

A 44:00 minute video from Brandon???? Hell yes. I am gonna get my popcorn ready

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha! Too kind. Hope you enjoy!

[@erichvonmolder9310]

“Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!” ― George Carlin

[@wilsontexas]

I don't think he'll is eternal. And I don't think God needs your money. These arguments are very substantial

[@danrope6160]

@@wilsontexas You may want to brush up your Bible: “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matthew 25:46 And about the money thing I don't know what to tell you; media literacy, man, Carlin didn't mean literally God asking money, pretty sure he didn't believe in him anyway, but priests asking money to their congregation (in addition to the salary they already have).

[@wilsontexas]

@@danrope6160 Matthew 10:28 (NIV): "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." This verse is often interpreted by annihilationists to suggest that the ultimate fate of the wicked is destruction rather than eternal conscious torment. Romans 6:23 (NIV): "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Annihilationists argue that this verse implies that the consequence of sin is death rather than eternal life in torment, suggesting annihilation. John 3:16 (NIV): "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Annihilationists emphasize the contrast between perishing (implying destruction or annihilation) and having eternal life. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (NIV): "They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might." Annihilationists point out that this verse speaks of "everlasting destruction" rather than everlasting conscious punishment.

[@danrope6160]

@@wilsontexas Eternal or everlasting destruction implies that your soul is tortured for eternity otherwise the destruction would be finite. With an end. Regardless, if your defense of a god of "love" is that he utterly destroys you for not believing in him instead of torturing you forever in the after life, that still sounds bad.

[@apollo2857]

@@danrope6160 God didn't make hell btw, nor did he ever intend us to go there, but it exists, and God warns us of the truth, it isn't as fictitious as you make it out to be.

[@josephcollins6033]

Well! Happy Day of our Lord to you, too! Glad to see you here with a new one. I believe on the first video of yours I saw you said something about being gone on a camping trip? Or the mountains. I hope your family are all well and happy. Thanks for this, Brandon.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks! Yes was out in the mountains and had a wonderful time.

[@stvnnmnn]

I would like to add this: If morality wasn't inherently subjective, then why would we need judges? Excellent, excellent video!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Great point

[@mawhel]

Adding to that, Christians will be judging angels in the afterlife. Even the angels can't seem to figure it out.

[@ToddJSpencer]

Another great one from the sheepherder’s guide to the universe, Brandon. This is probably the best retort by far to the “objective morality” argument. Glad you’re back. One note: the flashing light behind your right shoulder was mesmerizing. Were you trying to hypnotize people to your secular ways?😂

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol! Actually when i noticed it in post i thought it was so distracting. I had unplugged it during my trip and when i put it back on it went to shimmer mode. It gives away all my cuts lol. And thank you!

[@riseofdarkleela]

@@MindShift-BrandonI hadn’t noticed and now I can’t stop watching the flashing light…😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@Jake-zc3fk]

Yep, moving/changing items in the scene of a video that is heavily jump cut is a problem!

[@christasimon9716]

Finally. I have argued against online Christians who try to argue that they have some kind of monopoly on morality, that atheists have no morals, and that Christian morality is somehow objective. I am SO glad that you did a video on the specifically per Bible passages. Thank you.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Got you! My pleasure

[@lancemarchetti8673]

Welcome to ME... I'm not your average 'beat me up' follower of Jesus😂... so I'm all ears. Let's start with your favorite moral rule for Life ... what is it?

[@Wrestleroftheyear]

@@lancemarchetti8673I don’t know if I have a “favorite moral rule” but in general I think if something causes pain, harm, or suffering to another person it’s probably wrong Guess you could say the “golden rule” is important for me. What’s your favorite moral rule for life?

[@christasimon9716]

@@lancemarchetti8673 Hello. I assume your comment was directed at me. A couple things: First, I'm not here to "beat you up", neither you nor anyone else. I enter a conversation when someone else claims that atheists (frequently framed as "atheist religion") have no morals, or the other favorite, "You know God is real. You just _say_ you're an atheist because you want to sin." If I wanted to sin, I'd adopt Southern Baptist and do all the sinning I want, and then say, "Jesus forgives my sins, why won't you?" and then keep on sinning. Second, I don't have a problem with you being a follower of Jesus. And I _won't_ have a problem with you, as long as you keep it in church and _don't_ try to force Intelligent Design into classrooms to try to replace actual science. As for my moral compass (or "rule for life"), "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a pretty good start. Treating people the way you want to be treated covers a lot of basics, but admittedly can break down when interacting with people who have certain BDSM fetishes. Another good moral test is to weigh "net benefit" vs "net harm" of the consequences of a concept or action. I think most people would agree that trying to minimize harm is a good way to live. Note that neither of these moral compasses bring the divine into the conversation at all. The second one _does_ require a common reference frame of what is considered "harm". Hopefully everyone understands what pain and suffering is, and as a social species we try to avoid that, again certain fetishes aside. Does that answer your question?

[@occultislux]

There are other religions that have great morals. Zoroastrianism, for example. You get morals from religion, not just Christianity. You can't get morals from atheism because apparently, there is no creator a d this is all an accident and there is no life after death. So why would it matter if I offended you or beat you up since nothing matters anyway? And the morality that you have is from your culture, which, if you are western, its from Christianity. Even if you don't admit it you are borrowing Christian values if you're a western atheist.

[@MsLemon42]

I normally like to put on my old “Christian hat” to try and answer these questions from that perspective…but I can’t here because these verses plagued me as a Christian. Great list!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that! thanks for watching.

[@Bojan12]

You were jot even supposed to. But only that what has made known to you

[@ericmichalowski9582]

How could anyone worship a god that has less empathy than ourselves for fellow humans.

[@nics4967]

What do you mean ... who did the holocaust? The Holdomor? Killing Feilds? On and on...

[@RamsteinPoplaski]

​@@nics4967Nazi Germany at the time was a Christian Nation that exiled, banned, or killed those who believed in a different religion or lack thereof. Also Nazi propaganda had the ideal white nuclear family uppholding patriarchal standards by showing them posters saying that they were trying to come for your family which is pretty relevant now.

[@nauticdixons]

It blows my mind.

[@ashley_brown6106]

​@@nics4967most human beings wouldn't do all these terrible things

[@hiroshiyitama2888]

@@nics4967I’m agnostic and..I..what? Part of gods whole shtick is either annihilating people forever or letting them be tortured, FOREVER. If hell is real, there are literally (statistically) more people there than there were people killed during the holocaust, and they’re stuck there, FOREVER.

[@furioni333]

This video is so good

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Too kind. Thank you!

[@diannalynnYT]

Thank you! This is brilliant. As someone who has finally seen Christianity for the lies it is after 20 years this video is what I needed. The brain washing is real. I apologized to my husband yesteday for trying to get him to go to church so much. So glad my marriage made it through the crap the bs that was put into my head. So glad my children decided young that they didn't want anything to do with church, which of course I was treated badly for at church. I was a horrible mom who didn't force her kids to be there. Told to drag them there. I did not. I knew that was wrong. So much in the Bible can be twist to fit which ever church one is attending. I feel like I've woken up and I'm trying to figure out what is reality. For 20+ years I was told the Earth is very young, I've seen Ken Ham speak. I can't reconcile in my head that all the scientists have been lying to us in some big conspiracy. I appreciate you showing these verses. You approach this perfectly. Will definitely be digging further into your videos.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you so much for sharing! I am thrilled to hear you and your family are now fully free of this harm! Thank you for being here

[@MatthewsLivingAdventures]

The murder one is ludicrous! I recently found multiple videos of credible people who talk about god actually being the evolution of 2 idol gods, and one of them was actually a WAR god. So all that murder and genocide makes a lot of sense when looking at actual historical contexts.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yup. Just another storm/war god from An ancient pantheon. Nothing special and nothing true!

[@NeonHashira]

What are the names of those videos?

[@MatthewsLivingAdventures]

@@NeonHashira I cant remember. However, if you look up videos with the keywords such as Yahway a war god, How a war god became a god, etc. you'll find interesting videos about the topic

[@NeonHashira]

@@MatthewsLivingAdventures cool thanks

[@jeffxcc]

It's funny when I was a fundamentalist I kept hearing, " Study the word and show yourself approved. I did and the more I studied it the more it pushed me away! I came across all these verses and was confused and frustrated. I came to the conclusion wow this is BS! It was like the most painful break-up I've ever experienced. I'm not an atheist, but have come to the conclusion that most supposed divine writings are absolute BS! Bart Ehrman helped me the most with deconstruction.

[@whutcat682]

Tbh, I am agnostic right now. As I am a woman and all my life I was told that I need to cover myself when I enter church( meanwhile man going there almost naked), I was not allowed in the Church during my period bcs I am "dirty", I was not allowed in some spaces and places from church bcs of my gender. Like my dad took me to a monastery and there was a very beautiful part in the mountains you could visit, but you are allowed only if you are a man bcs apparently if a woman goes there it brings death??? My dad told me he will go and make some pictures to show me, but really? I know he did not know and was feeling bad, but how the F do I bring death??? Yeah, I believe in something, and I usually just talk with the higher power that I believe is there, idk who is listening or what is listening to me, but I feel better, and things go great in my life. Even though I am a woman.

[@user-zb7uh2ob1r]

Never a fundamentalist but did make a sincere attempt to study and understand the Bible. It seemed when something contradictory or odd came up (often), the authority attempted to explain them away with the most convoluted and tortured "explanation" imaginable. Eventually I realized truth should not need such wriggling to make sense.

[@BartoszBąk-b8o]

​@@user-zb7uh2ob1r Could you give me some contradictory verses in the Bible? When I read the comments I saw that a lot of the atheist arguments are based around misconceptions so maybe you have something that you cannot understand and I will help you understand the Bible.

[@TheMom2blessings]

Excellent video! I’m excited for you to do an entire video about women in the bible. As a Christian, I did several bible studies about women but conveniently none of those verses you mentioned were addressed in those studies!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks! And lol how convenient of those studies. I mean I dont blame women for ignoring them but man, why believe at all then. Its all about courageous Esther and steadfast ruth etc

[@xtina2189]

So, what to do when a habitually lying, narcissistic, psychopath declares someone else of being the father of lies? Believe him, of course, because the cult says so.

[@christophergibson7155]

Of course your statement is a lie. "it is impossible for God to lie," (Hebrews 5:18b) "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me...."Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word."..."But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words;" (John 8;42-43, 45)

[@xtina2189]

@@christophergibson7155 "The sky is falling!" - Chicken Little -

[@christophergibson7155]

@@xtina2189 Rather than that, here is the real truth..."Behold, He (Jesus) is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen." (Revelation 1:7)

[@ΜιχάληςΖ-ξ1τ]

​@@christophergibson7155shut up old man

[@mythicalducky]

​@@christophergibson7155God was literally the first liar Read Genesis. He lied to Adam and Eve about what would happen.

[@thegametroll6264]

I'm thankful someone is actually taking time to study scripture and objectivly speak of what is in it. I left the church for ten years. Thought about going back and was imideatly reminded of why i left it in the first place. I would be happy living the rest of my life having nothing more to do with religion ever again.

[@JohnGalt1960]

So you shall.

[@megzasaurusrex]

People have asked if they were able to prove God if I would follow him. I always say "no he is a bad person. I have stronger morals than him." And they are just flabbergasted by this and im like "Why are you shocked? Youve read the Bible too Im assuming?" But they still argue im wrong and its not the same if God does it. And im like "you may be okay to worship someone who drowns his own children but im not."

[@Bojan12]

God proves himself to those who are humble. Proud can forget about it ever. You are wrong because God is the Law and everything that is not as He has said is a lie as it is written they loved lie more than Truth so God will send them great illusion so they will believe in lie

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

The people who are flabbergasted by the response arr mental gymnastics Olympians.

[@Number1RatedSalesmanBIGSHOT]

@@Bojan12 Bro it is not proud to think that drowning children and punishing by making the person eat human flesh is bad lmao. and by your logic, women are worth 2/3s of a man.

[@megzasaurusrex]

@@Bojan12 I'm sorry you don't like having intelligent thoughts and worship a being who enjoys killing his own so called children. Have fun with that.

[@megzasaurusrex]

@@Bojan12 except not even the loyalist of Christians can prove he is real either. They don't see him. Their lives change zero.

[@TerraStory225MYA]

This video was absolute dynamite! One of the best I’ve seen on the topic. Up there with Aron Ra! You’ve just earned a new subscriber!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thats a lovely compliment. Thanks so much for joining the family!

[@ChixieMary]

I also found it interesting that the god commanded that even the camels be killed. There were no camels in that part of the world during that era. Just saying... Great video Brandon, as usual!❤

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you! Yes the good ol bible has some timing issues to be sure.

[@davidmgilbreath]

Doesn’t matter if they existed there or not; if he wants them dead, his word is final! 🤪😅

[@ChixieMary]

​@@davidmgilbreath 😂😂

[@lancemarchetti8673]

It is quite reasonable to assume that there were camels in and around the Caananite camps and cities, including Jericho. Camel domestication had taken place in Mesopotamia by the time of Abraham. Accordingly, Chavalas argues that the camels in the stories of Abraham in Genesis are not anachronistic. Learn more about the history of camel domestication in Mark W. Chavalas’s Biblical Views column “Did Abraham Ride a Camel?”

[@ChixieMary]

@@lancemarchetti8673 Not before the 10th-12th century BCE. Introduced to facilitate the copper trade. 😊

[@vidhead85]

Wow, this is phenomenal. Thanks for cracking the dense wallnuttery of those that claim objective morality. This is wonderful. Thank you so much for this

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure!

[@MD97123]

Thanks, love your work and what you are doing to educate those in need of it!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

This is very generous. thank you for this and the kind encouragement!

[@sashasmama93]

Thank you for putting into words things I've felt but have never been able to condense or say. I will look forward to your video on the topic of "women" exclusively. As an ex Seventh-Day Adventist woman raised in an adventist home, both the book & church have been so mentally abusive for my upbringing/womanhood. I've always wanted to compile degrading passages together (like 1 Corinthians 11:7 & on when it talks about men being the glory of God but women just the glory of men). Like what? This is God's one chance to tell his creation what he wants us to know, and THATS what he has to say? It's insane how I used to believe and try to mold myself into these ideas. Thank you for showcasing so clearly how blinded we were. Your videos have been more empowering than any abrahamic holy book can ever be.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

This comment and your generosity are so very kind! Thank you so much for each!

[@kyleespinoza7201]

This was the issue that deconverted me, straight up. It was built on a lot of other things as well, mind you, but this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I get that!

[@rayscott73]

Amazing video! Love the conclusion. You perfectly spoke everything I’ve been wanting to say out loud to everyone. I’m a former Christian Fundamentalist and still learn so much from your videos. Keep up the good work.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thats lovely to hear. Thanks so much for letting me know and for being here!

[@ghead2625]

I am very thankful for finding your channel , truly.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thats so kind. Thank you for being here!

[@TheGreenhillsCyclistInRagOrder]

When you reached the infanticide, my mind went straight to the amount of times that God himself, demanded that people sacrificed their children as proof of their faith.

[@TheGreenhillsCyclistInRagOrder]

@daniele.3361 It is correct!

[@bluegillboystv494]

@daniele.3361 how isn’t it correct?

[@fnafboy0555]

He also forgot to mention 2 Kings 2: 23-24 where he killed 42 little children for making fun of one of his prophets.

[@johnnynesbit8289]

Silly self righteous humans did it ever occur to you that death is only the beginning. Life on this earth is like a punishment compared to the higher dimensions. Death is a new birth.

[@hiroshiyitama2888]

@@fnafboy0555wow.

[@KevinElamMusic]

Badass video. Went through and marked many of these verses in my Bible. Thank you for doing this work. Well argued.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much man!

[@jerradgillham4354]

I never comment on videos but your summary was well laid out. My Christian faith isn't shaken but your criticism of the church not getting the message right about "going to heaven" vs living out our faith today hit hard.

[@pdxnikki1]

He did a good job too. Very impressive. My prayer for these great atheistic minds on YT like Alex O'Connor & Drew McGraw is that when God reveals Himself to them as they pursue Truth, they'll continue using their prodigious gifts for His glory, in His name. Merry Christmas from this Catholic ex-atheist! 🕯️🎄🕯️

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that

[@MrDeviousdom]

I've told countless people that the reason I do not believe in a God is because I have read the Bible.

[@theboombody]

What about all the other religious books though?

[@MrDeviousdom]

@@theboombody they are full of shit as well 🤣

[@MrDeviousdom]

@@theboombody 2nd reply: they're all bullshit too!

[@MrDeviousdom]

@@theboombody my replies keep getting deleted. KZbin really sucks with it's censorship! In summary, they are all fake garbage!

[@MrDeviousdom]

@@theboombody reply number three: The other books are a bunch of crap too!

[@That_Tuning_Guy]

Ahaa... Thank you Brandon. I think this video is one of the most cathartic ones I have seen concerning the hypocrisy of god and the bible. Well done 👍

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Love that. Thank you so much!

[@AighEnoughAlready]

Aigh. As if it's a job well done to think it rational and wise to presume your finite self a better judge of character, entertained thoughts, motives, words, and deeds than your all-seeing, all-knowing God. Truly breathtaking. Oh, the folly of human wisdom, the breathtaking nerve and audacity to think such a thing.

[@repelsteeltje90]

​@@AighEnoughAlreadySo God gave us a brain but we are not allowed to use it?

[@reformCopyright]

Thank you. This is the definitive, reference debunking of the moral argument.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Oh wow thank you so much for this kindness and generosity! Appreciate that!

[@blackpearloyster]

THIS! How you research and put it out there loud and clear. It is a must watch video. Thank you!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that. Thanks so much!

[@ancientflames]

We solved this thousands of years ago, it's called the golden rule for a reason. Do to/for others what you would like them to do for you Do not do to others what you wouldn't want to be done to you It's as simple as that. Every single moral is based on that.

[@tyranttitanium5721]

Yes but that is contradicted by everything he just listed in the Bible. Unless you're not responding to his criticism of the Bible. In which case: I **guess** Not to mention that people have completely different desires. I might not want to cut a slit across my finger but there might someone who *does* enjoy cutting a slit across *their* fingers. Treating people the same in that regard in that instance would seem somewhat irrational with respect to treating people the way they want to be treated. To reduce morality to a single and overly simple expression like this is somewhat naive. It's a nice sentiment I **guess** , but it's not very much more than that.

[@ancientflames]

@@jacliveshere that is not where it originates though. The same way the laws of Moses aren’t original in any way and come from Egypt, Sumeria, etc. Confucius if I’m not mistaken gave what is essentially the golden rule 500 or so years before Christianity.

[@ancientflames]

@@tyranttitanium5721 we aren’t talking about the Bible so who cares the golden rule didn’t originate in the Bible. And yes situations can be more nuanced and require consideration. Like everything in life. Doesn’t make the golden rule any less valid. Not sure what your point is.

[@tyranttitanium5721]

@@ancientflames Ok but the entire issue started with the moral framework layed out in the Bible. If you're not a proponent of any of what is layed out in the Bible in this video then you are in direct conflict with the views of God and all the people from those parts of the Bible for the reasons stated in this video. The points made in this video for one example are where God has people killing, torturing and people being sold into slavery, each other for various reasons. That sound like the golden rule to you? If you're not even a Christian though (which I'm not even sure of at this point) then I'm not even sure why you responded to this video at all with this. At that point you're just solving a problem you never had in the first place. Bear in mind that a lot of what I say are very condional statements. They might not apply to you because you didn't make it very apparent what your position on all this stuff is.

[@ancientflames]

@@tyranttitanium5721 You assumed and are still assuming I care at all what the bible says, I never said I did nor displayed I did. Why are you assuming I am somehow defending the Bible?