Gogeta's QUADRUPLE OVERHEAD (And Why it Works)

[@ToliG123]

"I can't defend against it at all, it's pretty strong." 😂

[@navarro3719]

Him trying to defend it was hilarious, I didn’t think it would be that hard to defend lmao

[@eduardoserpa1682]

I'm glad that, as a community, we're past the point of obsession with 50/50s. Gogeta's corner mix seems really scary, so I'm looking forward to guard-cancelling and being punished for it.

[@dudeimsquid1793]

😂😂

[@josiahvfx]

Same here my guy, same here

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

Honestly? This is the most excited I’ve ever been when I found out I have to defend. This seems really fun to block, reflect, guard cancel, or hell even get hit by.

[@dennismetz1966]

low level players were never obsessed with 50/50s. top players were, and not without a reason. pretty much all top tiers need reliable 50/50 mix for you to be competitive (broly, kid buu, UI, teen gohan, base vegeta, gotenks)

[@eduardoserpa1682]

@@dennismetz1966 While you're not entirely wrong, the community tends to parrot whatever the top players talk about, even if it doesn't really apply to them (specially tier lists). For a long time, people just wouldn't shut up about X or Y character being bad because they have no mix (usually citing KnowKami). Meanwhile, a lot of the playerbase can't block 6M, tech DR or fuzzy-block.

[@angiejensen1972]

idk why but just watching his tail move is kinda satisfying great video too-

[@BackForwardPunch]

Can you explain the “starter” scaling? Im pretty confused about how scaling works and I’d really appreciate a clear explanation video :)

[@RathFGC]

As a combo goes on, each hit does slightly less than its normal full damage. "weak" combo starters (like light attacks) will make each following attack do a lot less than if those attacks hit raw outside of a combo. A medium or heavy combo starter is considered a good combo starter because they don't "scal;e" the damage of each following hit as much as the weaker light combo starters. I hope this helps!

[@BackForwardPunch]

@@RathFGC thanks!

[@cianthompson966]

@@RathFGC Love your videos man. You seem like an awesome guy! Wish you had more videos though, to be honest! Hahaha either way, keep it up!!

[@idkmanp9573]

@@RathFGC one ting to mention is a light starter, starts a combo at 20% scaling were as a medium combo starts at 10%

[@ToliG123]

@@idkmanp9573 or if you're Z Broly, everything but second hit of auto combo.

[@grandmastagrey]

The part where you tried to block your own recordings made me laugh so hard. Great video as always, Rath. Thanks for always making such great content.

[@patrikiosbatemanopoulos6831]

"Hey dudes and dudettes" I'm using this from now on

[@Hug0Pro]

I have said it for years from the 9gag golden days.

[@GregInTechnicolor]

This is sick! I love learning more about this character every day

[@mtp1213]

anyone else just staring at the tail moving in the air

[@Cheet0Dusted]

RathFGC literally teaches better than all my teachers

[@leo09677]

You’re the best, man. Taught me a lot about how to play the game. Wish you the best of luck. Hope your gets all the attention it deserves and then some

[@RathFGC]

Thanks for the kind words! I always try to include lots of generally helpful info wherever I can, even if it isn't specifically what the video is about. I figure over time, the little things I toss in here and there will get picked up and help people even if it wasn't exactly what they were looking for :)

[@keitaro211]

Best thing of this video is rath small laugh because he know how OP this is

[@AnaLyst_TT]

Ahhhhh, so it really wasn't just in my head then. I knew it felt like he had to be an bit higher in the air b4 doing iad. I believe this is because he's the only char to have two iad and seeing that iad in general requires an specific height b4 activation, I can definitely see why his first iad is an bit higher than the rest of the cast.

[@Johten]

Couldn't he technically get a quintuple overhead (that's 5 right?) Ah cool, he said it!

[@ICA_Ghost]

how?

[@trashboi3428]

@@ICA_Ghost Cancelling into 214L or 214H right after the last jumping normal is an extra overhead.

[@ICA_Ghost]

@@trashboi3428 sure off course... thought he meant with a normal

[@Johten]

@Saqlain Waris read previous comments

[@ICA_Ghost]

@Saqlain Waris doesnt matter though if you land or not... still 5 overheads

[@TheChrisSW]

As soon as I knew Gogeta was going to be in the game, I knew I had completed my team of Master Roshi and Tien. Now seeing this mix, I'm just so freaking happy. Thanks Rath!

[@yoozkay]

Shoulda dubbed months ago. Info comes out smooth and honest. fkn liked and subbd

[@MSupreme7]

So humble trying to defend against the recordings 😂 love you Rath

[@justevan2069]

Reminds me of the high/low mix that Raven from GG Xrd can get off of his air dash after a knockdown. Super cool stuff on display here

[@eduardoserpa1682]

It's funny to thing that Raven's airdash was an overhead superdash.

[@Zethoro]

The clips of you trying to defend against this insanity were hilarious, thanks for another great, informative video!

[@Anken93]

incredibly satisfying but terrifying video!!! Great job!!

[@sebastiancid9163]

It is really sick man lol. Thanks! I will watching for more Gogeta!

[@Exo_Josh]

The one dislike is someone who got bamboozled by this, great vid man!

[@JustBRocB]

Yooo the fact that the Mix made Rath curse made me laugh 😂😂

[@hamzafarooq8411]

I appreciate you for making me a better player

[@ariesprodigy8113]

You know it's good when you cant handle a playback of yourself😭🧡. Love the vid keep it up man🙌🏾🌋💯

[@samsonfgc3472]

Something to note is that you can do a very similar mixup to blue gogeta's unifuzzy setup off of 236L off of 6H using single hit assists, except it's even scarier because of all of the options you have after 6H an d the increased reward from 6H>6H. People will learn to at least try to fuzzy guard 6H because 6H>6H is the only unreactable option you really have after it. So when people standblock after 6H you just call baseku/nappa/whatever assist and now they're standblocking and you get your mixup. Just bonk them with 6H>6H if you think they aren't gonna fuzzy guard for whatever reason.

[@samsonfgc3472]

This is a decent alternative to SD with a single hit assist because it's gapless.

[@SharpsPanda]

I wish I played this game online. This looks like a lot of fun, but I don't want to deal with the net code. xD But looks really fun!

[@imraanpeters9806]

U should try to find people to play in your area so yall could play together without dealing with netcode

[@TekkenOnlineFights]

nice vid the defend part was funny rath. ^^

[@gamerkron2219]

Just imagine if he had a low 2L . I thought he will have weak high-low mix but this is insanity

[@yvonnewilliams8903]

They Kinda did give him a low 2L. At point Blank his 2M is 11frames, which is as fast as gogeta and Babys 2Ls, so he basically has a Second, Medium Scaled, Extremely Active 2L.

[@gamerkron2219]

@@yvonnewilliams8903 yeah I know what you mean but that still isn't a low 2L

[@yvonnewilliams8903]

@@gamerkron2219 it's not a 6 or 8 frame low 2L no, but think of it as a really good, slow, Low 2L. Baby and Gogeta both have ok mix with theirs, so Gegeta 4 can get even MORE mileage bc of his toolset

[@yvonnewilliams8903]

@@gamerkron2219 ik what u mean tho, but if he had that he would be too good lol

[@gamerkron2219]

@@yvonnewilliams8903 lmao I love playing ssj4 gogeta. Amazing mix and i adore his combos. So saucy

[@subzero200]

Sick video man thank you for the content :)

[@Alfred_the_doodler]

Appreciate your videos bro. Every time ✊🏽

[@ICA_Ghost]

if u need the assist to make it gapless after the superdash than theres a gap before the superdash unless it works with 16b or piccolo a. so its nothing you can rely on all the time.

[@Naruyami4]

highkey im glad i joined the discord

[@Eztyme]

Thanks the video was very informative, really appreciate 👍

[@CineGoodog]

And that is why gogeta don't have a low 2L

[@AndrewAttackkk]

I'm sitting here watching this like " ah yes I see what you mean" like I can even pull off any where close to this level of input control in a real match.

[@jegero1977]

LMAO impossible to defend against this !thanks for the awesome guide Rath. Now i know what i will lab with him.

[@gamerkron2219]

I tested and this indeed works on GT goku so we can assume it works on every character in the game. Such a disgusting mix.

[@SaigoSakusen]

hey rath thanks for your videos they are great, but do you ever think you could go over midscreen pressure with gogeta or just characters cause i really struggle with it and the concept

[@LadyHermes]

SSJ4 Gogeta's pressure is very good but you have to win neutral to use it. What about a neutral, anti-zoning guide for him ?

[@SilverFlash420]

Ohhhhh boy! Very nice! Time to hit the lab

[@lastadmiral4432]

you can do j.LLM to increase the frame advantage if they block it

[@bldEagle-oj3os]

Bro it was pretty funny watching you try to defend against it. I thought was gonna do it lil. Guess its to good

[@kauanjos3199]

Kid Buu: yaaa yaa(i have the most oveheards) Gogeta: what? I can't hear you because I'm busy doing 5 oveheards

[@majormaxor7592]

In the SBroly video, you mentioned that he can be scary because he has many mixup options, yet most people now agree that those options can be dealt with with little patient during a match. Will the same happen with Gogeta SS4 Quadruple overhead? Will this also be just a passing thing to him?

[@tragicsense5283]

Monke officially got me back into fighterz

[@WeaponExX]

You just like Jank or what?

[@DatBoyJames]

Seems like it was nerfed in season 4. Can't get the air dash after the air medium to start the mix.

[@ogjuicebox5482]

I'm wondering if arcsys will nerf this since they don't like fuzzys anymore

[@dudeimsquid1793]

I love you for this

[@Polopollo75]

How consistent are you guys to do it? I train against a normal character like AGohan, I have to delay the jM after the SD to the last possible frame I feel to hit that consistently. It is really hard to do in comparison of the Kid buu's ball 4ways mixup for instance.

[@Fjerkongen]

I uploaded a clip to /r/dbfz showing this "fuzzy" high/low mix with Jiren (A) covering both before and after the super dash, making it a full true blockstring. Maybe Roshi assist can fill the same niche?

[@RathFGC]

Nice! In this video we show it working with roshi B and SSJ Goku B, but I'm sure it can work with many others :)

[@RisingJericho]

And people are thinking the x100 Big Bang Kamehameha is the scariest part of his kit

[@playmaker3116]

Wait Gogeta can jump cancel air normals on block without sparking ? Am I discovering this really late or is this specific to him ?

[@DUCKSWAYBOBWEAVE]

Why does SSJ4 Gogeta get the exception of a jump cancel on his air normal on block? Do they plan on advancing jump cancelling air normals on block to buff up the rest of the cast and advance the game?

[@DUCKSWAYBOBWEAVE]

Nvm, Gogeta SSJ4 has 2 air dashes, 1 jumo cancel would consume the air dash for other characters.

[@Mlanders09]

Great stuff, idk if I missed it but do you know the minimum blockstun an assist can have for this to work?

[@PSNMirru]

I can never get that second air dash 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@kaielGL]

I have a problem with this... If they don't block the j.M after the SD, the followup IAD j.L doesn't combo... And that... kinda sucks. If they know that, after the SD all they have to do is NOT block the j.m and that's it, no more overheads, you will whiff the j.l after the IAD :( (Am i rght?? have you tried it?) Btw! Love your work Rath! Been following you for like a year and a half already and i really appreciate it :)

[@RathFGC]

The j.L will wiff on most characters if they choose to get hit by the j.M. The good thing is the low option will combo, (which should be used around half of the time), the j.L will combo sometimes (character crouching hurtbox specific probably), and the dragonrush/command grab mixups will still function. Gotta mix up those options :)

[@kaielGL]

@@RathFGC Yeah you are right! I think the most "safe" and solid play is to react if they get hit by the j.M doing the 2M, instead of autopiloting the IAD j.l overhead without reacting. Great stuff indeed, still thinking what team to make with him... I really like GT B with him.

[@Polopollo75]

@@RathFGC omg that is why I cannot get it to work, the jL whiff if I set the dummy to crouch+block followup lol! It does hit if I do the jM very very low to the ground, but that is damn hard to do!

[@Kevin-tz1hf]

quick question, is goku b assist any good? seems good on paper, but I never see people run it...

[@xx1kareemxx]

11:08 lmao the command grab

[@hardfrost64]

Hi Rath, can you make a video about the "plus/minus". I hear a lot of dbfz youtuber that says "I'm plus!" and I still don't know when I'm exposed, where I can attack and not be countered

[@eonnnaaa3424]

It feels like he’s a better trunks, which is kinda sad, since if i’m anything at all, i’m a trunks main 🗡 Edit: thought he was an anchor like trunks bc of lvl 7, but it’s actually too early to say. and he has zero zoning unlike trunks

[@GregInTechnicolor]

his 214 is legit trunk's 236

[@RathFGC]

I think trunks has a lot of strengths in neutral that gogeta doesn't, especially focused on his awesome projectile options!

[@DeenoHenddrix]

What have you done! Delete this now!! Everyone gonna get shmixerized online

[@Ygyal]

Hahahaha das dat forbidden technique

[@opm7679]

It’s reactable

[@BaronSterling]

@@opm7679 Not online its not.

[@opm7679]

@@BaronSterling not online??? What do you mean by that

[@Seven_DB]

@@opm7679 lag makes it harder to react

[@fabergames4640]

Trunks being able to do 5

[@yaelvip9789]

So I recently found out after 3 years of playing this game (first real experience playing fighting games) that I should be using the the d-pad as opposed to the analog... Been practicing with the d-pad but it’s frustrating to struggle with stuff like IAD or quarter circles when I can easily do it with the analog. Is this something I should rectify since it will help me in the long run or should I just stick to the analog?

[@endgame2175]

Pros play with whatever is most comfortable. If after awhile, d pad feels better, then stick to it. If not, then use analog.

[@UnvelRsled]

Continue to use analog if that's what you're comfortable with.

[@datuang8866]

If anyone’s wondering u can do it mid screen with gotenks assist 👍🏽

[@goldenboy5084]

Do you need specific assists. Like ones that are really fast

[@xtalpax902]

New day new things from gogeta ssj4, what a character😍 Actually i have difficulties air-dashing, if not using 8-4/6 with R2, it will be very slow, let alone doible air-dashing, it depends on practice or there are any tips?

[@GregInTechnicolor]

Bro I literally sat down for training mode for hours practicing double tap instant air dashes combine with instant airdash overheads and I would highly recommend doing the same. I use R2 ONCE in a while for airdash for convenience sake in the moment. But practicing the upforward, forward helped me so much and my overall shmovement improved. Having practiced this, double airdashing with a Dpad for me is a breeze.

[@xtalpax902]

@@GregInTechnicolor ye i will try to practice it more then, thanks👍

[@GregInTechnicolor]

@@xtalpax902 the fact that if you press R2 TOO soon for the macro with will super dash made me want to manually it myself, your footsie game will thank you. Doing an approach option then instant airdashing back and then whiffpunishing them is SO satisfying.

[@GregInTechnicolor]

@@xtalpax902 This is all before Gogeta dropped too.

[@shinmegamizero481]

Hey man I just want to ask the quadruple overhead works only on the big bodies? I can only do triple on goku bodies or mid bodies

[@RathFGC]

yup!

[@Cole23x]

Isn't Ssjgoku's A assist a multihit too?

[@bubbajr-zw7fk]

Dude thanks for the help your geeat

[@logi1999]

This isn't related to the overhead, but is there a specific timing to link the jH with the jS before the flip kick? I see that combo a lot and I just skip the jH.

[@RathFGC]

the goal is to have the j.H hit when you are below the opponent (so they can't fall so far that the ki-blast can't reach them anymore). At the end of a combo I try to use double jump j.L> j.M > j.H > j.S > j.214L. Instead of just doing double jump j.LLL > j.S > j.214L. The autocombo moves gogeta up too high compared to manually doing j.LMH. I hope that helps!

[@logi1999]

@@RathFGC thank you king 👑

[@jakobimcdonald6495]

The intro killed me lmao

[@semja]

That's so strong

[@molina1345]

Gogeta 4 is the final boss of fighterz

[@mcginger9613]

Ok. But who is using ssj goku b assist?

[@avengedhotfuzz7499]

Do you know if beam assists work for this set up? I’ve been trying for an hour now with no success and wondering if it’s worth the effort lol. It seems I can’t time it properly so that it cover both the instant air dash and the j. M

[@trashboi3428]

It doesn't need to cover the IAD, just the j.M. The IAD, done properly, is a true string from j.M.

[@RathFGC]

don't worry about making it ALL gapless. Just gapless between when the superdash hits and the j.M hits.

[@trashboi3428]

@@RathFGC based

[@avengedhotfuzz7499]

@@trashboi3428 oops I accidentally said IAD instead of super dash idk if that makes a difference

[@avengedhotfuzz7499]

@@RathFGC I meant to put super dash instead of IAD idk if that makes a difference 😩

[@twater2828]

GOGETAAAA

[@Joker-bk5xj]

How did it take you 12 minutes and 2 ads to explain 1 mix

[@dudeimsquid1793]

I’m pretty sure this won’t work on base goku

[@TThat_guy]

How do you this 0:27 I’ve been trying to do it and it can’t work help me

[@RathFGC]

the goal is to have the opponent ABOVE gogeta when he does his j.H. That way they won't fall so far below him that the ki-blast misses. So instead of ending with j.LLL (autocombo ender), use j.LMH > j.S > flip kick. They're the same moves, but if you use the autocombo LLL input at the end, Gogeta tracks upwards and makes the height difference wrong. inputting L M H manually stops him from changing height. Not sure if I explained that well, but I hope it helped!

[@Phoenix-pb4sm]

How do you even defend against this?

[@scoutboy25]

Spark or perish

[@retroletro1178]

Experience most likely. Getting hit the first few mixes will likely happen. But after you see this settup a bunch and know the options (from either experience defending or personally playing the character) . It tends to become a "where is my safe bet" and "can i react fast enough to the fake out low?" Course online hurts a bit so. That's an added layer. Or you can just spark . . Sometimes it's better to not answer the question of "you block these?"

[@152mmapfsds]

Gogeta's what now

[@yoelcarlosinho9520]

Nice

[@potatoaimholt1719]

Gogeta ssj4 isn't the problem I destroy him with hit easy. The problem for me is I need to learn 17 because this man went ham almost came back on me

[@dalerr18]

This guy reminds me of BrianF

[@scottyyay]

kinda scary ngl

[@turankusu8068]

Im curious If this works on Mid Screen

[@RathFGC]

It can! (depending on your assist) It was hard to get the spacing right so that when gogeta IAD canceled his j.M, he wouldn't accidentally pass over the opponent :') Also a lot of assists push back a little too far to let him fall with j.M after the superdash and have it reach :x

[@ElectTheMusic]

Never been so early

[@CherryDKaya]

Why it works? CAUSE ITS four FUCKING OVERHEADS THATS WHY

[@pinheadlarry7335]

I seriously hope he isn't nerfed

[@bluegrave4376]

So he's I-no basically

[@MedEscoto]

Yea, that’s a good description of this

[@damianpriest196]

This shit does not work for me.. super dash is always coming out instead of macro dash

[@RathFGC]

His dash macro seems to be bugged, causing this type of problem. I suggest instant airdashing manually with the 956 input, as I explain around 3 or 4 minutes in. I know it can be annoying to switch methods for doing the same thing, but this is a skill that will help in almost every anime fighting game anyway, so it's not a complete waste to learn.

[@damianpriest196]

@@RathFGC yeah I know bro I just can’t get it consistently... it’s def on me

[@burningvatsu]

I got hit

[@DRFTER34]

Not even trying to play fair.

[@rau3412]

nice bleep

[@NashTheChill]

Acting like you wont get mixed

[@mocmeo4425]

damn its only been like day 3 and degenerate stuff just keep popping up with this character man,hopefully he isn't going to be the second UI Goku tho

[@Johten]

Unlike UI Goku, he is actually fun.

[@mocmeo4425]

@@Johten I'm pretty a dozen chunk of 8 year old enjoy ui goku too

[@tyb3r695]

@@Johten he was fun until people learned and abused the character

[@Johten]

@@tyb3r695 yea...... hard disagree. Never liked that character, the only thing that was cool about him was the level 3.

[@jayell2365]

@@Johten i still think UI is fun, I think the real problem is ppl are used to not waiting their turns and mashing certain options(dbs broly for example) to get a free a combo during yours

[@chrisvson4372]

again havent watched all the vif yet butttty if you do land a jump heavy you can delay a jump down heavy and get it from there but its not much of a mix more than just a string at that point