Gohan Vs Dabura: Who Would Have Won?

[@aeolusedge8575]

Honestly, Gohan didn't look too confident going into round 2 against Dabra. This was after he refreshed himself with a senzu. In the fight, both looked pretty underwhelming. Dabra used most of his tricks (Illusion, Magic Sword, Spit, Flaming Fireball) and yet Bobbidi was still screaming at the lack of damage he was doing. Both seemed to be around the same level since both were winded by the end,. Gohan's diminished fighting ability and power really stood out here. That being said, Gohan's powered-up Kamehameha (used on Boo's shell) would've probably been enough to one-shot Dabra if it landed. I also agree with you on Gohan being a Super Saiyan 2. When Kaioshin told Kibito about his plan to unleash the Z-Sword, Kibito questioned why Kaioshin believed he was capable of such a feat. Kaioshin then says "You were dead, Kibito. You never had a chance to see how incredibly powerful Gohan really is". We know for a fact Kibito saw Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, so why would Kaioshin say such a thing if Gohan went on to use a weaker Super Saiyan form? It wouldn't make any sense. Aura aside, everything points to Gohan being a Super Saiyan 2.

[@aeolusedge8575]

@@grydon6422 First off, Kaioshin being worried has nothing to do with what Kaioshin says later. He could one-shot Pui-Pui, so it's obvious his fear isn't based on anything rational. Kaioshin stopped Gohan, talked about how hard it was holding his power in place, and concluded that it likely wasn't his Full Power. Gohan went on to show more later. Nothing goes against this. Secondly, Goku told Gohan to unleash all of his power like he did against Cell. That way, he'd definitely win. Simply turning Super Saiyan 2 isn't enough. He needed to do more. Gohan was drawn as a Super Saiyan and written as a Super Saiyan 2. And if supplemental material and Super is anything to go by, then Dabra is 100% above any normal Super Saiyan. There's way more pointing to Super Saiyan 2 Gohan than Super Saiyan Gohan.

[@TonyMishima92]

Where does Kaioshin specfically say that? I only recall Kaioshin saying a vague statement that "he has seen Gohan's real power" and doesn't specify the time period Kibito is dead. It makes no sense that Toriyama would give Gohan SSJ1 aura in that scene when he doesn't for anyone else.

[@TonyMishima92]

@@aeolusedge8575 I saw the page you gave before the post was taken down. So I guess I read the wrong translation. The only thing I can think of is that Gohan showed more power when he charged that energy beam against Buu's cocoon. I doubt that he was talking about Gohan struggling against Dabura. It doesn't make sense that Toriyama would design his aura differently than every other scene that SSJ2 is in. Heck, at the same time Gohan is fighting Buu, we see Goku and Vegeta with the correct aura. Also as a side note, Tenkaichi 4 is happening! Yes.

[@aeolusedge8575]

@@TonyMishima92 Bro, that announcement came out of nowhere. I never thought I'd see this series return.

[@JazzualSuspects]

Lol Dabra and Bobbidi, can't help it but I'm laughing my ass off

[@khumokwezimashapa2245]

I've noticed that when the main cast refer to "Cell" or "Majin Buu". They never and I mean never use the terms we do and it seems to confuse us. They don't say "Imperfect", "Semi-Perfect " or "Super Perfect". It's just Cell. Same with Buu. They don't say Buutenks, Buuban or Kid Buu. It's always Majin Buu. I always assume they are referring to the strongest version of the character they fought when they mention them. It just makes more sense that way.

[@TonyMishima92]

Toriyama was just forgetful and didn't think of the brief time Cell is at his strongest post zenkai. Goku spent his time fighting regular Perfect Cell, and that's what he though of in that scene. Toriyama always drew SSJ2 with electricity, so Gohan was not in that form.

[@kumarayush9950]

​​​@@TonyMishima92 Gohan had the electricity during pulling out the Z sword tho .. when he transforms after trying in base form.. i think they animate depending on the situation.. they made a great animation on Gohan at the world tournament because it was meant to show Gohan as a strong warrior .. during Dabura and Buu fight they didn't cared that much about the details as it was meant to show Gohan as a character who has slacked off on his training and isn't strong enough.. again during Z sword retrieval it was meant to show Gohan strong then they added the electricity a bit .. same happened with Vegeta .. his Ssj2 during fight with Goku and Fat Buu is well animated and detailed because it was meant to show him a strong warrior .. but it isn't animated very well in his fight against Kid Buu because they wanted to show him totally outclassed by kid Buu .. although he was ssj2 in both cases

[@TonyMishima92]

@@kumarayush9950 He doesn't have electricity pulling out that sword in the manga. When Vegeta fights Kid Buu in the manga, electricity is always there when his aura is present.

[@BrianAwesome]

​@@TonyMishima92 we also have to consider Gohan's hair bangs, when determining Ssj1 or ssj2.

[@gogettothelegendaryfusion2204]

@@TonyMishima92 So Gohan was being an idiot then. He was fighting someone he knew could crush him easily, but still thought that holding back was a good idea. Ssj Gohan in the Cell Saga wasn't even a match for Perfect Cell. What gave Gohan, who was weaker than his Cell Saga self, the idea that he would hold up better now after slacking off? Additionally, why would Goku say that Dabura is as strong as Cell if he isn't? Regular Perfect Cell was holding back against his fight with Goku. If Dabura is as strong as the Cell from that fight, then he isn't Cell level. The only logical explanation is that Gohan was in ss2 and Dabura was Super Perfect Cell level. We know that ss2 Gohan is far stronger than Super Perfect Cell, so Gohan slacking off wouldn't mean that Dabura would absolutely beat him. It would also make sense, as Goku would want to compare him to Cell at his full power, not when he was holding back.

[@andrewgarfield9898]

The biggest tragedy is Dabura being side lined for Buu when he had so much more potential

[@thesehandsarelethal]

he definitely deserved his own arc

[@grammysworld5449]

I swear man Fat Buu was so unbearable, I almost stopped reading the manga.. All that buildup for this fool.. I liked Dabura

[@zerocks88]

@@thesehandsarelethal I think there should have been a prequel type thing for him (not written as a prequel, but done in line with the rest of the series, and he's a villain that was too powerful and escaped or just left or whatever) and then him being revealed to be under babidi's control would have been much more of a threat than just "oh here's this named guy who is the ""king of the demon world"" and we should definitely be afraid of him.." lol I agree, he had so much potential and deserved his own arc, it could have played off so well if done differently

[@blackshogun272]

​@@zerocks88 they could salvage my man if they had his loyal servants or family members bring him back. The Demon Realm could get too chaotic and his sister "Towa" could be canonized and bring Davura back via forbidden magic or something. Way too many narrative paths to choose to let characters as cool as this go to waste in the void. I know XenoVerse 2 brought him back but they still let my man get washed and overshadowed by a jit (Fu).

[@roxasbaker]

@@grammysworld5449 Dabura was weak if was easily controlled by Babidi Vegeta was better since he was able to let him self get the boost and still resist Babidi control

[@Valientlink]

Gohan would've won eventually, this was sort of his de-rust fight. Goku reminding Gohan of the power he had, to think of the pain of loss, could've really helped. Like "Gohan, this is the guy who turned Piccolo and Krillin into stone! They're also responsible for what happened to Videl!" and he would've unleashed his full power at that point. It honestly makes little sense he wouldn't react intensely over what happened to Piccolo especially, it's like completely out of character. He freaked out over Videl and yet he doesn't even consider that stoned Piccolo's fate rests on Gohan defeating Dabura? The writing in the Buu saga is seriously really bad in my opinion which is why it's my least favorite of the 4 arcs. I like some parts of it but I generally hate it and I can't say I hate anything about the other arcs even if there are some flaws.

[@derekclawson5707]

Not necessarily written bad but plot armor is another discussion..

[@theazureknight9399]

Gohan got pretty damn pissed off when he saw Videl get her ass beat and yet we didn't see any of the characters remark about how much more powerful he got. In the original manga Gohan's rage isn't this big get out of jail free card for Gohan to win any fight they want like in the newest super movie. Let me show a few battles where Gohan's rage didn't do him much good: Nappa, Gohan got angry when Nappa killed Piccolo but still couldn't do crap. Frieza, Gohan got pissed off twice during the second and third forms fight and still couldn't do anything against him. Future Androids, I think that Gohan might've gotten pretty damn pissed off when the androids killed all of this friends, and yet he still couldn't do anything against them, and not for a lack of trying mind you. Buu w/ Gotenks absorbed, this was supposed to be Gohan with all of his potential unlocked and I imagine seeing his mom, Videl, his little brother and Piccolo get absorbed probably had him quite pissed off. Still couldn't do crap against him. However, since now we have stuff like the new Super movie, we know that Gohan's rage can make him as powerful as the plot demands it, so of course we unfortunately have to take this into consideration when talking about a battle like this.

[@derekclawson5707]

I will only take original DBZ examples to consideration because Super is NOT cannon. I say this alot, Dragon Ball Super is a corporate ass pull 💰 and Akira himself had little to no involvement in its making. Probably had more involvement in GT many years ago instead. Just about all the concepts in Super shits on original cannon. Everything rich asshole corporations nowadays touch they destroy including old anime for profit margins. DBS is a money grab. The two movies before DBS are better.

[@derekclawson5707]

Forget the new movie. I understand what you are saying though.

[@ThousandDaggers]

I don't think Gohan got technically got weaker, as in he lost power. I think it's more apt to say his power went partially dormant over the 7 years.

[@imjustadog1897]

If his body can’t maintain or bring out his full power like he used to, he definitely got weaker.

[@TheRealDyscyples]

If you don’t use it, you lose it friend.

[@GeteMachine]

Thats more evident after he gets his ki drained and cant go SS2 anymore until he gets his ki reunlocked.

[@chriscollins3225]

Nope he was weaker

[@chriscollins3225]

​@@GeteMachine actually the z sword training made Gohan stronger than when he fought cell basically Majin Vegeta lvl

[@zachhenry8537]

I think Gohan would have won if it Goku and Vegeta weren't there. It would have forced him to dig deeper. Having the crutch of those 2 let him know in the back of his head that there was a backup plan.

[@famalam943]

3:18 Everything that’s bad with Super, it all started with the buu saga. And this is a great example.

[@RedMoonLoop]

I think it's actually the opposite. Gohan has never been triggered his rage when he himself was threatened. Only when his friends were and since Dabura wasn't actively threatening them gohan would have proceeded go lose the fight. Ironically enough daburas lack of outward villainy would allow him the edge in this scenario

[@Hulavuta]

What about when Piccolo threw him at a rock? Though I agree for every other case

[@AndrewAce.]

I think Goku probably would have pumped Gohan up the way he did against Cell to the point that he was as powerful as he became when facing Buu after he awakened. In other words, Gohan would have eventually defeated Dabura, if the fight continued uninterrupted...

[@ClarkBent68]

Maybe in dragonball heroes. How could he power up that much? Super buu was the strongest with or without his fusions

[@AndrewAce.]

@@ClarkBent68 What about Super Buu? I'm talking about when he got angry fighting Buu the first time. The power he displayed there should have been enough to beat Dabura.

[@Rizzal6a6y]

No Gohan was being played with. He had a 0% chance of winning

[@AndrewAce.]

@@Rizzal6a6y Being played with? Yes. No chance? Prove it.

[@hyperionsf3220]

@@ClarkBent68 Super Buu was not the strongest by any means. Goku blatantly states Kid Buu was stronger than when they "fought him before", which he only did as Vegito as Buuhan. So no...

[@fizzyfuzz5878]

Love your story and character breakdowns like this, i didn't even think about the future Gohan arm reference thing! Wild how Toriyama could write some things with so many layers, then forget something so huge like how what happened to cell after the warp Kamehameha makes no sense later.

[@garywillig5143]

My reading of the fight is that Gohan had the edge in terms of strength and speed, but Dabura's magical abilities made up for that difference, at least for now. The only time in the manga that Dabura gets in a hit on Gohan, it's because he used his magic to teleport and catch Gohan off guard the way Goku used instant transmission in their training fight before the Tournament of power. If they were fighting with only their ki and no magic, Gohan would win hands down, and it's only with his magic that Dabura is able to put up much of a fight. He wasn't fast enough to block Gohan's blows indefinitely, and even when using his spit as a distraction to summon his sword and deal a killing blow, he still wasn't fast enough to actually use that opportunity to land a hit. He would need to have a trick which was much more effective than the spit+sword combo to actually take Gohan out. Once he ran out of of magic tricks, Gohan's superior speed would mean he'd be landing far more hits on Dabura than Dabura would be able to dish out, and that would decide the fight without even needing the masenko or kamehameha. Growing up I thought that Dabura had a kind of super-durability which was far beyond the durability a fighter gets from their power level, because in the dub Goku says that 'a direct attack isn't going to work' against Dabura. Later I learned that in the original Japanese he was only noting how sloppily Gohan was fighting, and even that was filler and in the manga they only discussed how he was weaker, not his fighting technique. The same goes for Vegeta's line in the english about how Dabura was toying with Gohan. In the Japanese he says that the fight is just a game since he could just step in and end it and because he has a more important fight he wants to have with Goku. The dub changed things to make it seem like Gohan was doing much worse than he actually was. The difference in speed is even more stark than it is in the manga during the extended sequence with the sword, because Dabura keeps missing over and over, and Gohan is able to land a few hits of his own even while continually dodging Dabura's every attack.

[@blaketindle4703]

It would have been cool to see Gohan and Dabura team up to fight Buu.

[@Pa1ad1no]

Gohan was underperforming, but he wasnt losing.

[@dusk6159]

And not even underperforming really. He as Gohan underachieved by being at that level, that's the big thing, but he was on par and he would've won, against Darbula (who would've been the definition of underperforming, considering what he threw at Gohan). Who by the way is a damn great character, besides being an impressive Cell-level fighter.

[@TheRealDyscyples]

That is losing

[@mohamedkhider6998]

@@TheRealDyscyples An underperforming gohan was keeping up with dabura If gohan was locked in dabura wouldn’t stand a chance ( maybe h’d resist a little but he’s lose eventually )

[@Random1567]

@@TheRealDyscyplesunderperforming for his standards is not the same as actually losing. He was pretty much equal with Dabura, but he was underperforming because he should be above him and then some.

[@aceclover758]

For me personally, the blue lightning makes ssj2 unique and badass. I always loved that form the most because of the lighting and spikier hair

[@infinitesheldon5710]

I think it's worth pointing out that, in a purely martial sense, the manga implied Gohan was Dabura's superior. Gohan had Dabura completely on the defensive at the start, and landed that big kick. After that, all of Dabura's counter attacks were entirely through his magic. The fire breath, the illusion, the magic blast, the spit, the sword. Dabura didn't seem confident that he could win in a fair fight against Gohan, and was pulling out every dirty trick he could. And even with all those tricks, Dabura wasn't really damaging Gohan much (Buu wasn't getting any noticeable energy from the fight). I'm pretty sure that, as the fight wore on, Gohan would start getting more of his muscle memory back, and most of Dabura's tricks would be less effective the more often they were used. If Gohan were able to keep in close and keep the fight more hand-to-hand, Gohan would wear Dabura down. Either that, or a well-timed rage boost should be enough for Gohan to ultimately win.

[@cslack813]

Dabura is so cool. His voice is awesome too. Perfect example of wasted potential. He def has the qualities of a top tier villain. Would’ve loved to see him return in a serious way. The demon realm is teased in OG dragonball but never explored in true canon. What a loss!

[@ChronoSquare]

Look into Super Dragon Ball Heroes. I don't know exactly what the timeline of events is, but there's definitely a return of Dabura along with a whole Dark Demon Realm/Kingdom arc. A cast of demon "gods", I guess opposites of the kaio-shin? It's mostly non canon, but I like to think it's semi canon. It even has powered up Dabura rematch Buu, but kid form... I won't spoil it!

[@cslack813]

@@ChronoSquare I’ve seen bits of heroes here and there. It’s nice to have alternate universes and such but I’m not a fan of how short the episodes are. That and they aren’t very cohesive. They serve to hype up releases for the game and that’s fine. Just wish we had high quality, lengthy episodes that explored these ideas.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I give it to Gohan, but it would be a harder fight than his battle with Cell, he'd likely barely survive but I do believe he'd win, for many reasons including the "plot reasons" you brought up. Let's not forget that Saiyans even in pre-super DB magically got even a little bit stronger when fighting dangerous opponents during those battles

[@VidaAnimada]

IDK. It's just that I myself can't remember ANY instance in which some character was in a SS2 state and no lightning was shown. I mean, EVERY panel after Gohan went SSJ2 agains Kibito displayed the lightning. EVERY panel of Goku and Vegeta's fight displayed the lightning. So, I am not saying he WASN'T SS2 against Dabura, but it is ALL speculation. Because if we follow visual clues, then we can say he WASN'T

[@najadamu2724]

SS2 Gohan didn't show lightning when he was powering up for his full-power Kamehameha against Boo's shell. And SS2 Vegeta lost his aura and lightning sparks after the first hit Kid Boo landed on him.

[@tylerellis9097]

@@najadamu2724 You can’t use Gohan Cause Gohan wasn’t SSj2 and never has lightning in a single panel against Dabura or Buu meanwhile Vegeta who has lightning losses his Aura and the lightning with it after Kid Buu beats his ass, he takes the first hit where his lightning and aura are up, then loses it in the next hit.

[@GrubKiller436]

Look at the panel where Vegeta has Goku knocked out. He was Majin Vegeta Ssj2; he did not have lightning.

[@grammysworld5449]

Not gonna lie, I always thought Toriyama skipped most of the Dabura fight because I assumed he didn't know what to do with Gohan.. Especially after the copout against Super Buu that just seemed out of character

[@michaeldowney3431]

I agree. I think writing wise he kept building gohan up to certain places where it seems as tho it would be the natural progression for him to step up and by one way or another for no reason just drops the ball. For me the final confirmation was him sidelining gohan and gotenks for the kid buu fight. Either of the but especially ultimately gohan could have curb stomped kid buu. Gohan is the only person in the series that actually loses power and its very obvious. The other characters might platue or stay stagnant but never a decrease.

[@marhawkman303]

@@michaeldowney3431 People keep forgetting that Toriyama-sama is primarily a COMEDY manga writer. :p He can and will throw in weird beats just for the funny/shock value

[@TreFKennedy]

That 1 arm Kamehameha wave is the thing of legends

[@khumokwezimashapa2245]

Dabura the GODDAMN VETERAN!!!

[@She-Devil94]

I think that Gohan actually fought as a regular Ssj. His body wasn't used to staying in elevated levels anymore. So it would make sense for Gohan to conserve some of his energy in that fight. Basically so he can use Ssj2 when he is with the back to the wall. That would make Gohan able to fight a Cell level fighter in Dabura without Ssj2. And that is totally possible. Goku was able to fight Cell as a regular Ssj. And the manga actually hints at Cell Saga Gohan being stronger than Goku even before he transformed into a Ssj2. He just didn't have the fighting spirit before that. So if Boo Saga Gohan had more of a fighting spirit than his Cell Saga self (and we know he had that because he now was totally fine with fighting other people and possibly hurting them), I can totally see Gohan keeping up with a Cell level Dabura without Ssj2 for some time. So in conclusion, while Gohan definitely was unable to defeat Dabura as a Ssj, in my opinion he still has Ssj2 as his backup plan for the finishing move. And that's why I think he would have won.

[@angel_in-black]

Well put!

[@reddolphin8663]

Goku was fighting a suppressed cell ( and loosing). The first time cell goes full power was against ssj2 gohan.

[@She-Devil94]

@@reddolphin8663 I know. And Gohan was fighting a supressed Dabura and more or less losing. If Dabura and Cell are even and Goku didn't mean Super Perfekt Cell but regular Perfect Cell then that works perfectly.

[@reddolphin8663]

@@She-Devil94 How do you know he didn't mean super perfect cell.

[@She-Devil94]

@@reddolphin8663 I don't know that. It's just an educated guess if you will. Goku only fought regular Perfect Cell and it's established in the Boo Saga that Ssj3 was the first transformation level that you can actually easily feel in the afterlife because of its high powerlevel. So Goku should not have been able to feel Super Perfect Cells strengh accurately. That means the only Cell whose strengh Goku can accurately assume would be regular Perfect Cell. And there is always the meta level of Toriyama possibly forgetting that there is more than one Perfect Cell. He is pretty forgetful with such things like powerups and transformations. All those things don't mean that Goku certainly meant Perfect Cell but I believe that it does point to it being mor plausible.

[@katanajim1454]

I think the line where Dabura is "tougher" than they thought was just because he had magic techniques that aren't exactly equivalent to ki techniques, which they aren't used to dealing with, so despite him being equivalent to Super Perfect Cell, Dabura is "tougher" to deal with than they thought because the techniques he has at his disposal are harder for them to deal with than simple energy beams or what have you, not that Dabura was actually any stronger power level wise than they initially thought.

[@gumpyflyale2542]

majin suoer perfect cell would destroy Debora

[@anthonyt425]

Right, tougher in this case doesn’t equate to faster, more chi, or strength. It’s the demon techniques like hell fire or spit stone.

[@angel_in-black]

I’ve argued about this for years and I still stand by what I say. Gohan would’ve won. Not easily, but would’ve won eventually. Dabura is stronger than Perfect Cell but not quite as strong as Super Perfect Cell. It took Gohan a push from Goku to tap into his power to finish off Cell, he didn’t do it on his own. Everyone thinks Gohan can do so many things on his own, but he can’t. He never would’ve reached SS2 without watching someone die, he wouldn’t have been able to do it again if he had just watched his girlfriend get beat up, and he couldn’t beat Dabura on his own either due to the fact that he wasn’t getting angry. That’s what would’ve happened eventually, Gohan was just starting to get angry towards the end of the fight, had they continued Dabura would’ve either run out of stuff to throw at him or Goku would’ve reminded him that he’s the reason Piccolo and Krillin are stone right now. Dabura wasn’t toying with him near the end of the fight either, he lost his sword, his stone trick didn’t work, and he kept underestimating him. Gohan wins this fight with getting a push from Goku who wouldn’t have just sat and watched as Gohan almost dies.

[@jayrojas5427]

People complain about gohan getting asspulls, but goku does this often throughout the franchise. He was getting stomped by jiren at first and by the end of the tournament which is only 48 minutes he surpassed him and mastered a form that not even gods have mastered lol.

[@Jim_Lahey101]

One point to note is Dabura wasn't necessarily fighting to kill Gohan, but instead stalling the fight to generate energy for Majin Buu.

[@marcusmjx740]

He had to damage Gohan to generate energy for Buu. He hardly damaged Gohan though.

[@hunterXhamster]

Even if Gohan was stronger than Dabura, Toriyama would have forgot anyway

[@derekclawson5707]

🤣

[@957543]

Watch your tone

[@everardo2345]

You should do “Ssj4 Goku vs Nouva Shenron: Who would have won?” for your next who would have won fights video

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

If Gohan had fought and killed Dabura, then Piccolo and Krilling would've been un stoned.

[@gamer7234]

Awesome video! I would like to mention that I think momentarily means 'for a moment' rather than 'in a moment'. Thanks for all that you do!

[@LSMMIKE]

Thanks. Also, it can be used for both. I sometimes use words with their alternate definitions, either because I like how they sound or because I forget other synonyms for them while speaking. 😆

[@MegaMachiOnline]

I think story-wise, Gohan would lose Vegeta takes it as an excuse, becomes the next fighter, and fights Goku on the ship right then are there (Likely with Goku wishing to fight Dabura first but Dabura hinting at a new fighter for them, to Shin’s dismay) Things are dire, but Shin tries to reach Buu, likely after healing Gohan with the last senzu on hand Then Gohan and Shin, fully aware of the stakes without the hope neither Goku nor Vegeta would be at full power rematch Dabura, except Dabura would be drained from the previous fight which would force both him and Babidi to showcase more magic but Buu is ultimately revived And Vegeta probably still gets himself killed after likely auto killing Dabura but being a second too late (gohan wouldn’t need to flyaway to the ship again, and it’s just more convenient narratively otherwise everything goes exactly the same) leading to gohan and shin leaving per vegeta’s request and now we have a damaged shin, gohan, and unconscious goku fleeing with newly awakened piccolo, krillin, and the boys to do who knows what with given the time chamber exists

[@spaminacan5232]

Great informative video as always, though I'm gonna have to disagree to a varying degree. I don't think Gohan (w/o plot armor) could beat Dabura, and I don't think he was a SSj2 either. Let me explain. 1. One really can't argue whether or not Gohan is a SSj2 against Dabura based on design. There are instances in the manga where Gohan is SS1, but still only has 1 bang. His base form hairstyle is far too similar to his SSj forms to distinguish the differences IMO. 2. It is clear that when a Saiyan achieves a SSj form (I'd say 3 and above is an exception), they have to master summoning their rage and transforming into said form at will. This is why Future Trunks asked Goku if he could transform at will (and you can even see this through various movies such as Cooler's Revenge and Bojack Unbound despite being non canon). If Gohan didn't train those 7 years post Cell, then one could assume that Gohan did not master transforming into a SSj2 at will, as there's no reason to believe he did so if he didn't even train. This would explain why he seemingly goes SSj2 in the tournament but not against Dabura. Yes Videl is healed by that point, but at the same time the Z Fighters knew little to nothing about Shin and Kibito and for all they knew the Kais were accomplices of Spopovich, and it doesn't erase the fact that she got brutalized in the first place. So with that in mind, I don't think Gohan calmed all the way down instantly. It would be enough to where he should still have varying degrees of anger, but not to the point where he was during Videl's match. For all we know Gohan's body isn't conditioned to handle SSj2 without an anger/adrenaline boost, as it becomes clear when someone doesn't train, their control over their SS forms is shafted (Resurrection F anyone?) As for Dabura I don't think he was using most of his energy output like you suggested, I think it was far lower (maybe even 50% or lower). While I do think that being suppressed CAN make it so that your energy reserves don't really drain, I believe that you would have to be using an extremely low percentage of your power - practically a finger's worth. Even while suppressed you can still run low if not run out of energy, otherwise Cell wouldn't have needed a Senzu after fighting Goku (despite heavily suppressed against him). I'd say that Gohan became strong enough to fight a heavily suppressed Dabura in SS1 because of the Zenkai boost he received from having his energy drained, as when he heals up he says he feels stronger than ever - on top of the fact that Dabura is toying with Gohan.

[@OrevShalom]

I think a good thought of Krillin and Piccolo would have gave out of shape Gohan pull through

[@TonyMishima92]

In the manga, Toriyama *consistently* gives SSJ2 electricity in the aura. It's present in every single panel of Goku vs. Vegeta. Before Gohan even goes SSJ2, when Videl is getting beat by Spopovich, we see SSJ1 Gohan with "one bang" being held back by Goku. Then many chapters later when Gohan is training on the Kai's world during Goku's SSJ3 transformation, we see SSJ1 Gohan with a single bang. Toriyama just changed the design of the hair.

[@trailsandtribulations7137]

Factually incorrect. There are panels of SSJ2 Vegeta without electricity after he knocks out Goku. There’s also panels of SSJ1 Vegeta with electricity before he revealed that he even had SSJ2. Vegetto’s first SSJ1 panel shows him with electricity as well. Lightning is a creative artist decision to illustrate intensity. It doesn’t indicate SSJ2.

[@TonyMishima92]

@@trailsandtribulations7137 Those are only a total of like 4 panels out of 50. Yes, there are momentary differences showing intensity in a few panels, but in every overall fight scene, SSJ2 is made clear by the aura shape and electricity. Toriyama doesn't just draw a character with SSJ2 that lacks electricity for a whole scene. I also mentioned scenes before and after Dabura where we know that Gohan is definitely SSJ1 but has the new hair design. Goku's transformation scene with Fat Buu made the official look of SSJ2 with electricity clear.

[@tylerellis9097]

@@trailsandtribulations7137 That’s literally irrelevant to the fact everytime someone transforms into SSJ2 in the manga there is lightning. And those few panels where lightning is missing is irrelevant when it’s there for the Entire fight of Goku vs Vegeta before he knocks him out and every other fight with SSJ2. Name me a time a regular SSJ in a fight has lightning every single frame I’ll wait

[@TonyMishima92]

@@reptilian_geneticist Even before Goku's scene, the differences in illustration were consistent.

[@tylerellis9097]

@@reptilian_geneticist Yet it is consistent every single fight even in the early Buu saga except Gohan. I get what you’re saying and there’s the possibility, but there’s also the fact Goku already has his iconic SSj2 design when fighting Vegeta.

[@MarvKage]

2:31 Gohan would have won if he didn't do the cursed thumb pose at the start

[@DoctorKnow00]

Gohan was primed to lose. 7 years of no combat or training. That’s 3 years short of a decade. Gohan wasn’t about that life anymore. He was soft, rusty and tired. Fighting a demon king who was in it, to win it. Dabura was stated to be on par power wise with Perfect Cell, by Goku. The same Cell he and Ascended Super Vegeta fought. Hence their frustration at Gohan’s poor performance. If adult Gohan fought Cell in his current state, he’d lose. Dabura just wasn’t a solid lock on beating Gohan. But he certainly performed better.

[@Malthizar]

Dabra would have won. People don't realize just how much weaker Gohan was in his SS2 state. Simply put, he was trash. The absolute most charitable evaluation we can give him is 30-40% of his original power against Super Perfect Cell, and that's only if we scale Dabra to that version. If we're being honest, they are probably talking about Cell during the games. If that's true, Gohan is a joke

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

YUP

[@williambreeze2659]

Good breakdown!

[@PastorTrue93]

Good video! Another cool one would be Super Buu vs Gotenks. Would he have killed Buu if the fusion time didn’t run out? Or was Buu holding back in anticipation of Gohan’s arrival? Seemed like Gotenks had him on the ropes

[@trisxart2393]

I think it depends on how angry Gohan gets, he went ssj2 because of a death, 16s death which pushes him into that form and in super hero he sees a close friend like father die before his eyes unlocking Beast Gohan. Moro arc Gohan getting angry and stronger didn't even phase moro because I think the fact Goku didn't die.

[@aeolusedge8575]

Vegeta said Gohan was weaker than himself, but that could all change if he brought out his rage. Keep in mind that Vegeta is talking about the Super Saiyan 2 Gohan he saw at the tournament. His rage and the Super Saiyan 2 are treated as separate things in the Boo saga.

[@masterkc]

This gohan has the power of mystic gohan hidden within him. So if dabura really pissed him off, gohan could have gone rage mode temporarily and finished dabura.

[@jonathandyess]

I really like ur DBZ videos bro! I'm probably ur 1# fan lol anyways I wanted to ask you to do a DBZ video about how strong is " puee puee" lol is he at namik Frieza power level?

[@LSMMIKE]

Thanks, I appreciate it. Here's my video discussing that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3WvnHtsj52VgJI Check my channel, I have over 1,000 videos you can watch on a variety of subjects.

[@KaoticReach1999]

Gohan was screwing around too much just like Vegeta said, it'd be a different story if Gohan was in the mindset after Cell he was focused like against Bojack

[@Jeremyhughes86]

when Goku told him, "get angry" he should have understood his son, and been more specific. told him "think of your mom, your brother, Videl. think about what they do to them if you fail". Gohan wouldn't instantly snap of course, but that would make him more angry at the he start. not angry in a stalemate and now I know the stakes sense. a make it fully personal sense. that, would guarantee Gohan would eventually snap. it was sorta how he started the fight with Frieza. PTSD from witnessing genocide...and half snapped from rage...and suffering survivor's guilt from surviving the Saiyans.

[@travelreview5962]

I don't personally believe Gohan is "pulling plot out of his ass" when he gets mad... lol. Let's not talk about Super though. It was established at the very beginning of DBZ that Gohan had this ability so to me it fits with the plot. Also when this ability rises to the surface it rarely has a dramatic impact on the end result of the fight except for when he went SSJ2 but he'd been training in the time chamber for 1 year with Goku and it fell completely in line with the plot of you ask me. Great video Mike, really glad you're back and looking so healthy. 👍

[@paliboy93]

You have a point in the examples you mention, but in the new Super Hero movie it’s pretty much just an ass pull.

[@travelreview5962]

@@paliboy93 oh yeah.... you couldn't be more correct. Super, especially the last few arcs, is ridiculous.... lol.

[@TrueNomadSkies]

I've generally gone with Dabura as the more likely winner. If we're going to replay the fight lets say 50 times ignoring how events were designed to play our (or enough to get a solid percentage), I feel that Dabura would win more of the times. This is because if we look at the two fighters being roughly equal in power and stamina, the deciding factors would be unique techniques & battle skill/readiness. Dabura has both of those over Gohan. All the Demon King needs to do is get lucky with the spitting technique to get the quick win, where as Gohan would need the fight to go on long enough and have something significant prompt his rage boost. Along with that, he'd also need to remain focused during his rage boost to still not get kicked in the dick & spat on, which is something historically not present with him at this point in the story. Even later on after the old Kai's training & power unlock (which supposedly allowed him the ultimate form's power without the super saiyan rage), he got cocky with Super Buu allowing him to get bested by a weaker opponent (relative to himself at the time) using a technique that wasn't even as instant as Dabura's spit. Also, if we think about this from a writing perspective, Gohan's not looking to come out with a clean win. That's why he didn't. Dabura is either gonna do heel things for a slimy win so that Goku needs to save him later on (like what ended up happening later on with Gohan getting absorbed during the fight with Super Buu), or something like the fat Majin Buu's hatching was gonna interfere with his fight with Dabura. It's like, Dabura wins if we cut off and ignore the rest of the story, and nobody wins if we let stuff play out which is why Gohan was put in that position writing wise. He wasn't put there to get pointlessly cockblocked from a clean win.

[@fwdooms2540]

I like how there's just a straight up demon realm in the anime and manga continuities of dragon ball, but it just isn't mentioned at all later on after dabura besides the video games

[@sincerelyjb3]

Your channel is cool I really like the dbz manga over the anime I feel the same about one piece 👍

[@protosonic17]

I assumed, even as a kid, that it was because he had better control over his anger after getting older was why he couldn't snap like he used to

[@socialistbatman1211]

In Kai, it seemed as if there wasn't that much of a gap between Goku and Cell, and that Goku only believed he would have lost because he started to fatigue much more than Cell did, and that Gohan was on Cell's level or possibly more powerful as SSJ but just refused to fight or even try for some reason.

[@crimsonninja4097]

You missed a few key points, of course the rage is important but the plot was obviously restricting that but there is also the Zenkai he would've gotten from taking damage at the tournament and being healed so I think he could've taken him on in Super Saiyan as well as energy blasts like Masenko and Kamehameha that can make him more powerful, I don't believe it was Gohan's power that was the issue though but rather his dulled combat sense and reduced skill in effectively applying martial arts.

[@crimsonninja4097]

@@deckzone3000 actually he did or at the very least should have, he was stabbed his energy was drained and it was bad enough they had to heal him.

[@tobygarton9494]

I woulda loved to see what woulda happened if supreme kai did freeze gohan at the tournament. Dude actually went ssj2 with lightning and all. He fought dabura in super saiyan 1 i know everyone fights me over that but it is what it is. BUT can u imagin spopavicth and yamu vs ssj2 gohan.

[@295Phoenix]

I like Gohan but think he'd have lost this. He not only lost much of his strength, he lost his fighting sense as well. And judging from his fight with Buu, he's not likely to get mad enough for a significant rage boost. Hate to say it, but at the beginning of the Buu Saga, Gohan was a dweeb, both physically and more importantly mentally. As for the SSJ vs SSJ2 debate...I think Gohan was a SSJ2 and Toriyama just forgot to draw the electricity. If he was just SSJ, I'm sure Goku and Vegeta would mention it when Gohan was having trouble plus Dabura, as someone stronger than Super Perfect Cell (even Perfect Cell would be too much), would've murdered him.

[@vnep5743]

They should've designed evil buu to be somewhat reminiscent of dabura. Either in the cape design, or by him manifesting dabura's spear. A little bit of foreshadowing.

[@messiah2203]

I'm not sure I agree with the point that the Saiyaman outfit is the first outfit that reflects gohan. In almost every instance gohan is given the chance to pick his outfit he chooses piccolo's "demon" clothes. Most exceptions involve situations where his demon clothes are trashed or he needs something expendable/durable like in the time chamber. The Saiyaman outfit was made by bulma (on gohan's request) to help throw people off the scent. I don't really look at that outfit and think: "Now that's classic gohan". That's just an outfit he wore to keep people away from his family. What does gohan wear when he's training Goten and Videl? That's right, the demon clothes again. Any time gohan gets to decide what he wants to wear it's the demon clothes. Mystic Gohan actually asks for the Turtle Gi. That's actually kind of a big deal. It's the first time he ever wears that outfit by choice. Super: 1. Dad/Scholar outfit: street clothes 2. Track Suit: worst thing gohan's ever worn for the worst depiction of gohan ever seen. 3. Turtle Gi: This really seems to be his go to outfit for most of super so far. It's strange seeing as how he spends a lot of that time working very closely with piccolo in the tournament of power etc. 4. Demon Clothes: Back in the demon clothes for the new movie. Not sure the context but it's a Gohan/Piccolo movie so it's very appropriate.

[@HayatoByakurai]

Goku states Gohan has lost the Turtle gi in the manga, and the latter uses the Demon clothes every time he's prepared to fight, including the Tournament of Power.

[@messiah2203]

@@HayatoByakurai I'm honestly not sure the purpose of the line. I'm convinced master Roshi has a warehouse of turtle gi he can't even use because Goku and Gohan hang out with a bunch of gods and piccolo who just make new ones constantly. Lol

[@HayatoByakurai]

@@messiah2203 That line was said when Vegeta questioned Goku on not bringing Gohan to the Tournament of Destroyers in the Universe 6 Saga, probably to emphasize how he'd been slacking off.

[@nibbaturtle3340]

I'd say: SSJ2 Pre-Teen Gohan>Dabura=SSJ2 Teen Gohan>Super Perfect Cell

[@blaketindle4703]

I hate how they forget to draw lightning in the aura of SSJ2 so much! It’s pretty obvious Gohan must’ve been SSJ2 against Dabura though. If Gohan was only a Super Saiyan, and fighting pretty evenly against him; that would mean Dabura was incredibly weak compared to Goku and Vegeta and would be a complete joke! He’d have been much weaker than regular Perfect Cell if that were true! Dabura knew exactly how powerful Goku was as a Super Saiyan and still felt confident enough to take on all three of them at once!

[@JasonSmith-yt5oe]

Great vid

[@cinemamadness6920]

Seeing as how he and Dabura were pretty evenly matched, hed probably have some "I have to do this" moment and power jump over him for the win. Likely the only reason he didn't beat fat Majin Buu was simply to him him being too much, too soon.

[@derekclawson5707]

Perhaps Yemma seen something in Dabura that tempted him to make that call of realm assigned to him. Very unorthodox

[@ryandegrave8978]

Gohan's hair and aura during the fight with Dabura show him as a SSJ2. I think the reason there's no lightning is like you said, that lightning around a character was used in DBZ to show how strong that character is. When Gohan is fighting Dabura, we're not supposed to be impressed by his strength. This fight was meant to show that Gohan hasn't been training. This is also why Goku says that Dabura is similar to Cell. We know Gohan beat Cell, so if Dabura is similar and Gohan can't beat him, then we know he has become weaker. It's all about how we are meant to perceive the character at any given time. This is the same reason why Vegeta has a lot of lightning against Majin Buu, but not so much against Kid Buu. He didn't stop going SSJ2, it's just that the Kid Buu fight isn't about Vegeta anymore. It's about showing us how much stronger Buu is now. I think if you look at instances where a character has lightning in their aura, it consistently happens at times when we are meant to view the character as very powerful. Just like Nappa. When Goku went SSJ for the first time, there was a whole lightning storm going on around him. It symbolizes the raw, wild power he's tapping into and shows us that he's about to f**k some shit up.

[@derekclawson5707]

lol king Yemma trolled the crap out of Dabura at the check in station by sending him to heaven instead of hell and then Dabura turns into this benevolent, smiley and happy being over it. Not sure if it was the magic of the mahogany desk or Daburas' own free will but he went a full 360 ° after death.

[@CrystalSpirit7]

It makes me think : why Buu didn't become more like Dabura when he ate him ? Toriyama didn't thought about that back then or he just didn't care ?

[@marhawkman303]

This didn't always happen for whatever reason. Why? dunno, but it just didn't.

[@anthonyt425]

Same reason he didn’t gain the intelligence of Bulma as Super Buu, he chooses who he wants to absorb.

[@grecojones]

These videos have been bangers! I dont think anyone has really done a good job of covering these unfinished battles. Great to have you back!

[@ChronoSquare]

two videos watched. what caught my eye among the hundreds of other lame "what if" dragon ball videos is the manga colorized thumbnail, and the attention to canon detail in scrutinizing the manga lore. Good dang job

[@blaketindle4703]

Dabura also barely added any damage energy towards reviving Buu.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Same Gohan that passed out fighting Buu, he had no rage boost.

[@SSJRanulf]

Only a few things to add: *Vegeta helped Gohan defeat Cell. Toriyama didn't include Vegeta blasting Cell (and Cell reacting to it) for no reason. My take on that is that Gohan and Cell were probably about even, but that blast gave Gohan a chance to win. If Vegeta had blasted Gohan there (lol), Cell would have killed Gohan IMO. It's a very even battled, I'd put them at the same level. *In the Japanese Manga, Goku says something like "Well, Gohan isn't completely losing to Dabura!" Then after, while both are tired, Gohan needs a Senzu because he used up a lot of power. Dabura doesn't demonstrate any healing, but he's ready to go later. In fact, he's certain he'll win. I think these exchanges make it clear that if Gohan preformed against Dabura in round 2 as he did the first time, he'd lose. *Goku tells Gohan with his anger, he'd beat anyone in the world. He says that with Majin Vegeta right there, 6ft from them. Goku's views on Gohan's anger, IMO, are that Gohan is > Goku or Vegeta if he let's his emotions go. And honestly, based on Vegeta's early statements, I think Vegeta might agree with that. Gohan though, might not see it that way. I think it's more likely Gohan thinks he'll get back to his level against Cell. *When Buu is first hatched, Dabura dismisses him as pathetic. Gohan thinks Buu is powerful, but if he can tap into his true power he can overcome it. That hints at Dabura > Buu (Initial) > Gohan (easily accessible power). Buu obviously demolishes both of them, and Kaioshin, once he powers up, but the power he first output was low enough Vegeta was unimpressed. Taking this all together with what you discussed, I think Gohan had no chance without his rage, and a nearly sure victory with it. Even if their power was on par, Dabura's fighting skill would have allowed him to easily wear Gohan down, as well as his strange moves. With his greatest power, Gohan's strength would have been overwhelming and he'd have taken Dabura by surprise. Baring a loss to some strange technique, I think Gohan could have certainly handled him. Thanks for the wonderful video!

[@gamer7234]

You probably knew that already. I just thought it might be good to mention to perhaps even further my own understanding

[@fjod1689]

Dabura has the adventage in power, techniques and the Majin seal that would make him stronger during battle. Even kid Gohan from the Cell games in his full strenght and ssj2 form would have to get serious at th beginning and try to eliminate Dabura instantly or he would later pay the consequences of overconfidence.

[@asamckenzie827]

Not gonna front. Video topic is kinda self explanatory due to the constant berating of the Gohan character in the manga regarding his training from the beginning of Buu. As well as how Vegeta even scaled himself against Dabura

[@MurkN]

Imagine if Dabura spit on Goku and Vegeta instead of Krillin and Piccolo

[@killakame-3434]

Cooler because he is COOLER 😏

[@IGSA101]

I think it should be mentioned that magic is shown to be better than ki control in much of dragon ball. It's pretty ambiguous how much and why, but it is repeatedly shown.

[@VoiceLandITA]

They were even in terms of strenght. Dabura had so many magic powers that being at his level was not enough to beat him. Majin Bu defeated him cause he was simply much more strong (and immune to his magic) Although I think at the end maybe Gohan could have won if he got a solid hit with a super kamehameha, but Dabura doesn't look like the guy who tries to tank attacks, he is a pretty good martial artist. On the other side, Gohan isn't much of a strategist in battle, even tho TOP Arc tried to make us think so (failing), he was always a guy who fights with all his might and rage, much more similar to Broly than Goku and Vegeta.

[@ryanmills892]

Gohan with no doubt in my mind would have won the fight against Dabura without Vegeta's interruption, Goku himself said that during the fight Gohan was regaining his battles senses and his power only kept growing while fighting Dabura. as for Gohan's Rage Boost; all that would have taken was Dabura threatening to make him watch as everyone he cared about was to be turned to stone and then shattered which would have triggered his Super Saiyan 2 and then a one-sided beatdown would occur to the point that Goku would have to likely hold Gohan back to calm him down.

[@johnathanbarnett7400]

That's like gohan in the second broly movie when he fought broly in ss2 but didn't have the lightning. But his hair you could tell he was a ss2. And broly still wrecked him. But yea basically making it seem like broly was stronger then prefect cell.

[@1Adamrpg]

My takeaways: Super Perfect Cell wasn't massively more powerful than Perfect Cell - maybe a 30-50% increase. This makes Gohan saying he's lost half his chi (even if an exaggeration) make more sense. Dabura would have won. With your own metric, by the time Gohan vs Dabura ended, Dabura's clothes hadn't been damaged at all. Because Gohan has to constantly watch out for Dabura's spit, he couldn't go for strong committal attacks that would open him up. It's interesting to note how strong Future Trunks was vs Dabura. His SSJ form kept up with (in fact, looked like he was equal with if not stronger than) Dabura; but of course when Trunks went SS2 it was over.

[@l0rf]

Gohan is such a frustrating character to me. In a world of regularly occurring threats that could destroy first cities, then planets, then solar systems and galaxies, a fighter as strong as Gohan just giving up on fighting because he doesn't want to feels cowardly. He could have prevented so many disasters if he just kept up his training. He didn't need to dedicate his life to it like Goku but he could have protected his family and the whole world so much more.

[@easportslegend]

12:00 I did not realize that 🤯

[@derekclawson5707]

Imagine Dabura breaking from the Majin spell after Babidi basically insults him and says he is worthless trash in favor of Buu. Instead of trying to impress Babidi and show loyalty still he instead flees for awhile, seeks out the remaining Z warriors still alive after the carnage and decides to ally and call a truce. Helps defeat the pink menace and afterwards he either goes back to rule his demon plane.. or decides sovereignty and decides to go travel around the cosmos. He may even change his colors doing so too and become a hero to several planets and an some sort of an Urban legend.

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

Gohan couldn’t have gotten weaker if he can take on someone as strong as cell in just has super sayain form

[@paulhiggins6433]

Honestly, I think Gohan would have won in the end. It would have been a long fight, but as Gohan knocks the rust off his skills and fighting sense, he would have eventually outmatched Dabura. Of course, there's the chance that Dabura would win beforehand, but I doubt that. Gohan has taken some serious beatings from people far stronger than him, like Vegeta, Recoome, and even Cell, and still surprised everyone with his power. On top of that, Gohan never seemed to be in awe or show surprise of Dabura's strength. His tactics and abilities, yes, but not his sheer strength. In terms of actual power levels, I believe that Gohan was the stronger, though Dabura was definitely more battle ready. I honestly wish we could have seen this fight play out. Perhaps at the same time Vegeta and Goku had their fight. It would have been awesome.

[@fjod1689]

Likely Dabura thanks to the Majin seal which would make him more powerful little by little, even kid Gohan ssj2 at full health and power would lose if he wouldnt take Dabura seriously

[@godqueensadie]

Gohan was so far out of Perfect Cell's league Cell couldn't even tickle him. Gohan with only half of his Ki remaining(I interpret this as only having half of his energy reserves, not literally half of his power output) was able to overpower Super Perfect Cell when he stopped holding back and Cell got distracted. The reason Super Perfect Cell was able to damage so Gohan so easily was because Gohan rushed in to protect Veggie without bracing himself or focusing his Ki properly to block, and likely also wasn't expecting Cell's power to have increased so much, since before Cell couldn't even tickle him despite Gohan putting no effort into it. From my perspective, Gohan would have had a little bit of difficulty with Super Perfect Cell had they fought eachother normally. Like he would have had to actually try a little bit, but he still would have won handily. If Dabura = Super Perfect Cell, then Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan definitely would have beaten him without much trouble

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

One thing to consider when comparing how well Dabura and Gohan did against Fat Buu is that Gohan wasn't at 100%. Yes, Goku gave him a Senzu to eat before going to Babidi's ship with Shin to face Dabura again. However, he burned through a lot of his energy blasting Buu's ball with a couple of Kamehameha blasts and ki volley attacks to hopefully destroy the beast before he emerged.

[@alexanderirizarry7722]

Deborah wasn't under Babadi's control. Deborah joined Babadi at his own discretion, using his own Volition. Like Vegita, he volunteered for the mark of Majin.

[@blaketindle4703]

It’s not clear at all Goku meant Super Perfect Cell! It’s complete speculation! Just as much chance he was talking about the version of Cell he fought himself, or Perfect Cell after powering up to 100%. You can say it’s obvious til your ass bleeds, it doesn’t make it true!

[@GeteMachine]

Goku has to be referring to Super Perfect Cell, because Vegeta casually says Goku's SS2 is stronger than Gohan's aginst Cell, and Vegeta would know how strong SPC was if he's comparing himself to Goku. They also werent worried about Perfect Cell as much.

[@Jociaoftrades]

He didn’t have an android to push him, but he did have a Mohawk that could have been stomped on. So if Supreme Kai got killed in front of Gohan, especially if he was saving Gohan, Gohan would of gotten that rage trigger he needed to reach his full power again.

[@fjod1689]

So taking Gohan´s words that means Picoro's Maka Kosampo and Tien´s Dodon ray only pack the power of 1 of their fingers?. Not to mention that ssj2 is 2x the regular ssj, meaning that if he lost half of his ki after Cell´s injure to one of his arms that means Gohan ssj2 in that condition was like Gohan ssj in full power

[@lozo1006]

So what your saying is basically Dabura could or at least most likely win against Gohan if say base level or even Super Saiyan 1. But it's more even if he's in Super Saiyan 2 and if pushed to he's limits. Gohan does ultimately tilt the battle in he's favour. Yeah I can see that. Magic is pretty broken in Dragon ball and in the right case Dabura could put Gohan in a no win situation. The only thing of course is Gohan being strong enough to bypass Dabura's magic due to plot convenience. A thing only presented as a mechanic after this fight.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

I'm gonna say Dabura would win because 1. this is slacking not-particularly-raged-or-cornered Gohan who 2. even during his peak Cell performance DID take hits every now and again, and it was a matter of time before one Dabura spit landed where it needed to and 3. Dabura still seemed pretty confident he could take out Gohan, and Dabura is an experienced fighter unlike Cell. Majin Buu awakening when he did probably saved Gohan's life in the end, honestly

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

This fight was criminally underrated.

[@AndrewAce.]

That's because it was basically just used as an opening act...

[@GeteMachine]

I always assumed Gohan lacking the lightning in SS2 meant he wasnt at full power, where as Goku & Vegeta usually had lightning at SS2. Goku most consistently. Because even in Broly Second coming Gohan doesnt have the lighting but he was SS2 when you see him power down, and his hair goes from single hard bang, to bang and hair strand in base. At least in my headcanon.

[@marhawkman303]

Yeah, I really think Toriyama-sama was making an effort to have Gohan look different.

[@jplaya2023]

Good video but i disagree with every point you made. 1. Gohan was absolutely not a ssj2 vs dabura. He was ssj1. He was only a ssj2 powering up against the kai. Remember gohan never mastered the form and never transformed into the form for 7 years. So he was rusty. You disregard the lightning but that IS a SSJ2 part of it against cell when he was ssj2 he had lightning in every panel except him powering up his kamehameha. Goku and Vegeta in the manga had it as well. When gohan fought dabura a second time (in the same chapter goku and vegeta fought) he had 0 panels of lightning while goku and vegeta had it throughout the fight. You cant chop that up to him forgetting to add it. 2. After goku gave gohan the senzu to fight dabura golu tells gohan to get angry and no one can beat him. Gohan while fighting dabura states hes angry but not like before (watching videl get beat up or 16 giving gohan a speecb to trigger his ssj2.) At this point ssj2 was gohans rage boost transformation and he needed a trigger to access the form since he never mastered it. 3. Goku is absolutely talking about PC not SPC. Goku never felt SPC chi but he felt ssj2 gohans and he knew gohan was holding back power not to destroy the earth. Thats what he was gambling on gohan releasing that power. 4. Dabura was struggling against a weaker gohan who had lost both power and battle sense noted by goku and vegeta earlier. Dabura had 0 reason to hold back as he needed to damsge gohan to get boo energy. He couldnt beat this version of gohan, no way is he comparable to a SPC. 5. Goku says hes tougher than i thought i believe its because of his magical abilities not his power level or ki being stronger. We see how fighting wizards and magical beings have fared against the z fighters. Moro and Boo come to mind and how being stronger isnt an always guarantee victory Anyway keep making these videos. I just disagree here with some of your points

[@TerryB01]

8:51 there now we know. Goku meant Super Perfect Cell.

[@CamSTL]

All Gohan needed was Dabura to stomp on Harold's head and Gohan would have gotten the Ultimate rage boost

[@jeffreymorgan8687]

I think eventually one or more of the z fighters would have saved gohan from being spit on,then shattered. Then gohans rage would take over, he’d win

[@Kaminari26150]

It’s impossible that Toriyama forgot about the lightnings because since his fight vs dabura, it’s exclusive to Gohan only. Same with his aura drawn like a normal ssj. Later in the manga Goku and Majin Vegeta are always shown with lightnings around them during their fight and in the same chapter (literally the next pages) Gohan is facing Babidi and Dabura without any lightnings on every panel he is on. Despite powering up and launching a big kamehameha on Buu’s cocoon. Again no lightnings when he fights fat Buu. And Same for the last time we saw him turning ssj(2?) in the manga, before taking the z sword. No lightnings, ssj aura. The only time Gohan ssj2 is 100% sure (shown with lightnings) is against Kibito after that it never happened again in the manga.(not one single time!) I believe it’s made on purpose by Toriyama to show a difference between strong ssj2 (goku and vegeta) and Gohan who became weaker than during the cell games.

[@marhawkman303]

It's REALLY hard to guess what Toriyama=sama is thinking because he is a man who will put in random gags just because it was funny.... and send the power scaling people into a frenzy trying to understand it. I have to wonder if maybe this was a foreshadowing of how later on he has Gohan do a powerup where he has no visible aura at all, not even the SSJ gold hair.

[@Kaminari26150]

@@marhawkman303 there is also another strange thing in the manga is when Gohan turns ssj (no lightnings)in the backstage when Videl is getting wrecked by Sporovitch, Gohan is drawn with same hairstyle as his ssj2 that hasnt been shown at that point in the manga because it will take place few pages later vs kibito. In the manga, the last time SSJ Gohan is drawn with 2 hair bangs at the front is during his training with Goten. After that wether its ssj or ssj2 the same hairstyle is drawn for Gohan. The only way to make the difference would be the lightnings but it happened only vs kibito.

[@marhawkman303]

@@Kaminari26150 yeh, feels like a design decision, even if I don't know why.