Going Against Instinct | MC Aviation TC-TRB

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@b.t.356 4 ай бұрын

Pilot: *pulls up during a stall instead of pushing down* Me: *in SpongeBob SquarePants background character voice* How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!?

@maxon-m3c 4 ай бұрын

I'm thinking back 50 years ago, was stall recovery flying lesson 2 or 3??

@jamesgraham6122 4 ай бұрын

Actually, according to the script. it would have been 'old woman', it seems it was an all-female crew. When we consider the amount of Pt 135 executive aircraft accidents and incidents, the high cost of chartering these aircraft may well reflect the convenience and luxury, it does not reflect a higher standard of safety, especially among the smaller operations.

@dpagain2167 4 ай бұрын

I learned that when I was flying my Sopwith Camel back in 1917.

@eucliduschaumeau8813 4 ай бұрын

They just stopped even trying to fly the plane. They gave up and let it crash.

@weofnjieofing 4 ай бұрын

They were too dumb to understand what was happening. They relied on instruments and ignored everything g else. Complete lack of situational awareness and low intelligence

@horseathalt7308 4 ай бұрын

WyminDoNotBelongInTheCockpit. Their brains are wired differently and act based on emotion, not logic more often than not. They probably panicked.

@patriciamariemitchel 4 ай бұрын

@@horseathalt7308, I am a woman and I know it's true. It's the chromosomes men lack that forces them to use the rational side of their brain. 🧠 They still take slices from Einstein's brain to study, trying to figure out why it is that he had all his chromosomes. Probably why he never flew a plane because he was smart enough to know he'd screw it up. 🫣 🛬 But, even I have enough presence of mind to wonder how any pilot can be at 38,000 feet and fall to the ground from lack of basic flying skills. 😮 🕊️

@lindawakiyama1603 4 ай бұрын

Were both pilots women? A little confused about this.

@patriciamariemitchel 4 ай бұрын

@@lindawakiyama1603, obviously, they were.

@glamdolly30 4 ай бұрын

Staggering incompetence by both pilots. That they didn't even attempt a stall recovery is baffling. Their inappropriate actions turned that aircraft into a plummeting stone.

@martynh5410 4 ай бұрын

Thanks Allec. Great video as always!

@Hughes500 4 ай бұрын

I have to say that learning to fly is a bit like learning to drive - straight and mostly level. After my qualification I undertook an emergency manouvre course in a Pitts. I learnt how to recover from a fully developed spin and more importantly how not to get into a spin. BEST money I ever spent and something I didn't get in flight training.

@arinerm1331 4 ай бұрын

I think one big difference between this and Air France 447 is that these pilots managed to crash the plane much faster. When in a climb from FL 360 to FL 390 an overspeed alarm sounds and the throttle hasn't moved, even a Wheel of Fortune contestant should be able to figure out not to drop the throttle to idle.

@dqsrs1654 4 ай бұрын

Exactly

@byronharano2391 4 ай бұрын

Wow. Your reply is informative. Thanks my aviation friend.

@malcolmwhite6588 4 ай бұрын

It’s simpler than that- in a climb The aircraft will slow down at a fixed throttle setting. It is certainly possible for the speed to alter with the same throttle setting. The key is in a descent, The speed will increase, in a climb it will reduce.

@rebeccamoon5766 4 ай бұрын

In vertical speed mode no less, so the plane will allow airspeed to drop in order to maintain the set rate of climb.

@baraxor 4 ай бұрын

"The stickshaker pushes the nose down. However, the Captain counters it and pulls the nose back up". OK, so the captain's an idiot, but will be fully qualified to fly for Air France.

@kylewilson2819 4 ай бұрын

Or RyanAir

@Blast6926 4 ай бұрын

Ryan air has a clean safety record, yes they land hard but still safe operations@@kylewilson2819

@peggyl2849 4 ай бұрын

And just how is the plane supposed to climb with the engines in idle?

@mikewhipkey6863 4 ай бұрын

@kylewilson2819 but Ryanair has no fatal crashes?

@jdspreest 4 ай бұрын

She would be, if she weren’t dead

@kylewilson2819 4 ай бұрын

"I'm just gonna keep pulling the nose up because the known-to-be-defective overspeed warning is sounding & even though both engines have lost power AND we are actively in a stall. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?"

@scofab 4 ай бұрын

The problem was two loose nuts behind the yokes. Reminiscent of Air France... RIP. Thanks again and regards as always.

@paulcooper8818 4 ай бұрын

Super incompetence by the Captain not being able to recover from a stall at 38,000 ft and fixating on an over speed while climbing.

@JuliusUnique 3 ай бұрын

I don't blame her, I blame her gender and reality

@DrMatey215 4 ай бұрын

Dang! What a scary proposition having your engines flaming out at a pretty high altitude!

@CarlosOrtiz-g8d 4 ай бұрын

They forgot to..."Aviate !!!! ". Really sad...

@billyponsonby 4 ай бұрын

There’s a 50page report on this incident at Aviation Safety Network.

@muffs55mercury61 4 ай бұрын

Same circumstances as the 1996 Birgenair crash. The pilot and first officer's airspeed indicators didn't agree. They stalled and it plunged into the ocean.

@OuroborosChoked 4 ай бұрын

I don't get why they climbed to try to detect the issue instead of descending. Even as a non-pilot, I would assume there's an issue with the pitot tube being frozen. I would want to _descend_ for three reasons: 1. You'd be increasing speed, thus able to check if the discrepancy continued, 2. There's warmer air lower to the ground, and 3. The air's also going to be denser, reducing the chance of a stall. Ascending when your air speed indicator is dropping just seems like a really stupid idea.

@r.o.1330 4 ай бұрын

.......let me get this straight. the captain couldn't recover from a stall at 38K feet? did she do her training at colgan air?

@rebeccamoon5766 4 ай бұрын

@@r.o.1330 Most likely she let things get so far out of hand that they entered a deep stall, which can affect airplanes with T tails and rear-mounted engines. The angle of the wing can get high enough to block airflow to the engines and elevators, so the engines flame out and the pilots can't control the pitch. With no engines to throttle up and no ability to lower the nose, recovery can be near impossible. The real failure was allowing the situation to develop in the first place, knowing the danger of a deep stall

@sarahalbers5555 4 ай бұрын

The AeroSucre Aviation Academy.?

@enzy6434 Ай бұрын

Remember folks.. its a lot more favorable to be flying too fast and potentially overspeeding as opposed to flying too slow and potentially stalling.

@oliverclark8873 4 ай бұрын

Please stick with me on this one. I had finished using a hosepipe and had held the pressure in at the nozzle end. I switched off the tap and asked my wife to release the pressure at the nozzle end before I disconnected the hose from the tap. Otherwise I would be drenched by the water escaping under pressure. She said she had done it so I disconnected and was drenched by water under pressure. It wasn’t her means of a joke, she genuinely thought she had released the pressure. When I asked about whether water came out when she did it she said no. Moral of the story is that it’s dangerous when you don’t intuitively understand the physic’s of what you are doing. Absolutely applies when flying an aircraft.

@bobhead6243 4 ай бұрын

Thank you Allec🙂🙏

@harleyhunt6073 4 ай бұрын

Fascinating learning about these lesser known crashes. Absolutely appalling by the pilots, it's insane how people trained & experienced through so many flights can make such catastrophic mistakes so quickly & certainly.

@jbaroli 4 ай бұрын

Overspeeding while ascending? And throttling down to idle while still ascending? I think that no competent pilot were present in that cabin.

@senilyDeluxe 4 ай бұрын

Another instance where the plane was telling the pilots it was going too fast and too slow at the same time and the pilots went with the "too fast" alarm even though they were climbing and/or the throttles were at idle. Sure, this is an Armchair Pilot here with ~100 hours of experience in MS Flight Simulator 5 (on a 486, yes, 25 years ago), but... C'mon people, that violates the laws of physics! Going too fast while in a climb with no throttles!

@patriciamariemitchel 4 ай бұрын

@@senilyDeluxe, for sure. 🤔

@MorganBrown 4 ай бұрын

4300 hours in what? Shameful accident

@kevinheard8364 4 ай бұрын

I'm second ... and very satisfied with this channel....great job!

@Randomly_Browsing 4 ай бұрын

@DC10_AV 4 ай бұрын

No.

@bobmillerick300 4 ай бұрын

Or, don't put stupid pilots in the cockpit. Just an idea.

@darkko1969 4 ай бұрын

True. Two women in the cockpit is certain disaster.

@Jayden-wg8ve 4 ай бұрын

very well tracked UFO ☺x bird man😁🙂😀😋

@Ryuuu6581 4 ай бұрын

Hey sir Allec, your first video will turn 10 years old in a few months! What are you planning to upload after reaching such an astonishing feat? -Ryu, been watching since 2018

@elanselvan9781 4 ай бұрын

Thank you 👍👍

@franciscopino5284 4 ай бұрын

Well done, captain.

@gmill7911 4 ай бұрын

This is probably the most horrifying accident evaluation I've ever seen. The pilots were utterly flabbergasted by the situation and essentially gave up. Unreal.

@mendel5106 4 ай бұрын

Pilots panic and the passengers are doomed. They could have just RTFM and everything would have been ok. (In addition to the option of just calling on your training and going ahead to maneuver out of a stall as there was so much altitude to spare) I guess they were snoozing during those trainings. And to all FO's out there, when you have a "Stalled" PIC, go ahead and do your job and take over control. Don't just sit there as another passenger enjoying a front seat view and a fancy shirt with stripes. It's not only your life in immediate danger but the other passengers too. Thanks

@CapitalismSuxx 4 ай бұрын

Captain trained in France?

@WendyKS93 4 ай бұрын

My God, who the hell was flying this, Dumb and Dumber? Those poor passengers never had a chance.

@susiesweet8003 4 ай бұрын

Reason #62...why I won't fly.

@larrybaker5316 4 ай бұрын

me too!

@derbagger22 4 ай бұрын

1 death on domestic flights in the past nearly 15 years. Modern commercial aircraft that have redundancies. Watching these videos and seeing how flying used to be and how safe it is now makes me happy to fly and comfortable when I do

@larrybaker5316 4 ай бұрын

@@derbagger22 you are right, I loved flying while in the Air Force, 1968-71, just stupid irrational fear, but at 75, I am ok with not flying. good friend of ours (52 years) is Captain on a Global 7500, and he sees some really cool places in the world

@gunsaway1 4 ай бұрын

What happened to basic Flying skills

@jamesthompson3099 4 ай бұрын

A completely unnecessary loss of life. What was going through that Captain's mind? Forgot how to recover from a stall? I think I learned that way back on day 1 of my student training in 1963! Had the Captain had just chilled and let the FO read the QRH none of this needed to have happened.

@RARochester 2 ай бұрын

This was the precursor to DEI with the same results.

@lohrtom 4 ай бұрын

Was the aircraft repaired and returned to service?

@travelwithtony5767 4 ай бұрын

The auto pilot tried pushing the nose down because there was not enough airflow into the engines while the aircraft was essentially “floating” down in wings level position (as a result of the pilot pulling back on the yoke) causing the wings to block the airflow. This was an eerily similar scenario that caused the crash of the an empty commercial aircraft that pilots flew too high causing the engines to flame out, they never dropped the noise long enough to increase airspeed to restart the the engines and crashed as a result. 100% Captains error.

@jorgemoro5476 4 ай бұрын

Yes!!!!

@JuliusUnique 3 ай бұрын

they just didn't have that one mad neuron saying "stop, something doesn't add up". What a tragedy. This happens to all of us, but especially to women I guess

@jeremypearson6852 4 ай бұрын

Kind of a strange situation, almost like the crew resigned themselves to their fate. Being at 38k feet, they should have had plenty of time to try and restart the engines.

@TheHaratashi 4 ай бұрын

What idiots. How the heck did they get so many hours and still didn't know basic flying. Even when I had just a few hours I knew what to do when the stall warning started. Insane.

@SinergiaAlUnisono 4 ай бұрын

Thin air at very high altitude may be.. no enough oxygen for thinking to occur "?" ... Not enough information AFAIK...

@Mannysupbro 4 ай бұрын

The pilot just let it stall and they stop flying the plane

@sabumon1817 4 ай бұрын

Not able to read the de description since it is changing too fast

@mjd12321 4 ай бұрын

Unbelievable....

@maxtornogood 4 ай бұрын

The overspeed was the false warning!

@jmWhyMe 4 ай бұрын

These planes don't have a RAT?

@bullseyes1983 4 ай бұрын

How to turn a small indicator issue in a crash when you're FL380... Unbelievable. So you idle de engines, you put the nose up, you have stall warning, and the stickshaker activates and STILL KEEP PUSHING THE NOSE UP? Did they learn aviation in a boat?

@andrewwilkinson5220 4 ай бұрын

It’s almost like they were hypoxic and couldn’t make the right decisions

@colinminch793 4 ай бұрын

I wonder this too. Too many seemingly obvious mistakes.

@gusmc01 4 ай бұрын

Air France 447 all over again. If you suspect a blocked pitot tube, shouldn't you initiate a descent to an altitude that will melt the ice blocking the tube? In both this case and Air France 447, the aircraft were already at high cruising altitudes and the pilots initiated climbs.

@rebeccamoon5766 4 ай бұрын

@@gusmc01 Better yet, just don't touch anything. The pitot tubes are heated to prevent ice blockages. If there's a lot of ice that builds up quickly, they just need a minute or two to get caught up and clear it.

@ranchopatriot 4 ай бұрын

Why did the engines flame out?

@slidefirst694 4 ай бұрын

They said the aircraft was pitched up in the stall and there was lack of airflow.

@patrickpaterson4334 4 ай бұрын

during high angle of attack with low airspeed the wing blanks out the intake so there is no airflow.

@kidpagronprimsank05 4 ай бұрын

High angle of attack results in lack of airflow to engines

@byronharano2391 4 ай бұрын

Sad. I can understand why the pilot flying did what she did based on conflicting warnings ⚠️. However, to fly the aircraft into the ground is unforgivable and all these people died needlessly. Condolences to all the surviving family, colleagues and friends. 😢

@franciscopino5284 4 ай бұрын

You don't need to be a pilot to understand that without changing the power, a plane can't accelerate while climbing. Actually, you don't need an iq higher to 70.

@rebeccamoon5766 4 ай бұрын

It sounds like they put the plane into a deep stall, which is a vulnerability in planes with T-tails and rear-mounted engines. When entering a stall, the high angle of the wing can disrupt airflow to the engines and elevators, causing the engines to flame out and making it impossible to control the pitch, so the pilots can't throttle up and drop the nose to recover.

@trainman86trainstramsandmore 4 ай бұрын

How were the pilots able to f up this bad

@ReaIBakos 4 ай бұрын

Do Ethiopian 302

@MightyMezzo 4 ай бұрын

Too many things going at once.

@malcolmwhite6588 4 ай бұрын

Exactly but to be a good pilot you have to be able to slow your mind and extract some of the data and figure out what you do know for example other than a fighter jet no aircraft is going to increase its speed if It’s in a climb that was a key to say which indicator was probably correct. the stall warning was a logical extension of the speed reducing the quick reference guide. Would’ve explained this to them. They got overwhelmed and never used logic.

@rebeccamoon5766 4 ай бұрын

@@malcolmwhite6588 The sad part (one of many, really) was that the first officer was doing the reasonable thing and trying to run the checklist, but couldn't because the captain kept interrupting. I also wonder if the captain called out that she was moving the throttles to idle.

@camillabrifjord727 4 ай бұрын

This made me angry. They stopped piloting and became passengers.

@garypoulton7311 4 ай бұрын

Surprised at the low level of piloting here, even I would be wary of an overspend warning when you know the asi are playing up, and you are climbing.

@franciscopino5284 4 ай бұрын

The pilot was a genius, he (she?) was trying to demonstrate the inverse gravitational acceleration, but failed.

@DrMemory667 4 ай бұрын

I am always puzzled when a pilot is flying along at an altitude he's/she's spent hours at with the same throttle settings as used for thousands of hours hears overspeed and pulls back the throttles. Do they think God has reached down and pushed them faster? A gravity wave hit them?

@xpat73 4 ай бұрын

Sounds like the Air France crash.

@pedroluna3559 4 ай бұрын

can you pls do voepass flight 2283?

@angelorobel12 Ай бұрын

There isn't a final report yet on Voepass 2283.

@californiadreaming9216 4 ай бұрын

WHY ON EARTH would ANY pilot, much less an experienced pilot with almost 5000 hours, reduce engine power to idle ?!? During a climb ?!? If there is a concern with overspeed, and altimeters show normal operation, why not reduce engine power by 20 % and observe, assess, continue with flight ?!? I really have trouble understanding how an experienced flight crew could so COMPLETELY drop the ball when dealing with the failure of an instrument... Mind boggling.

@PedroChalegre-b3h 4 ай бұрын

Pls recreate flight 2283

@ronjones1077 4 ай бұрын

DEI hire?

@XxMrRoachxX 4 ай бұрын

It's 2018... The first few DEI pilots are hired and installed...

@OffendingTheOffendable 4 ай бұрын

Ridiculous that they called him a pilot

@pomerau 4 ай бұрын

What was on the CVR? FO couldn't complete the QRH. Sorry, but two ladies together with a difference in hours. Seems no CRM here. Just a thought. And what were the 8 passengers doing when they knew for a while they were dropping from the skies? Horrific.

@cogitoergospud1 4 ай бұрын

Alec, we get it. An alarm went off. No need to continue running it during the whole video. 🙄

@davestrang8585 4 ай бұрын

Sadly the pilots were incompetent

@marathabattalionwotblitz 4 ай бұрын

So, both the pilots are females? 🤔

@JuliusUnique 3 ай бұрын

yes, women are a bit inferior to men in average, it's not what we want but it's how it is. Toxic woke cultures tries to twist reality into saying both genders are the same when women have 10% less brain and 300 less elo in chess. It's not like we need to feel bad for them though, they get plenty of attention and money by just being pretty

@ryanlund7220 4 ай бұрын

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@ryanlund7220 4 ай бұрын

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@Randomly_Browsing 4 ай бұрын

@@ryanlund7220 copypaste

@thhseeking 4 ай бұрын

Your name's really anadguruji, isn't it?

@sarahalbers5555 4 ай бұрын

I see what you did there😊

@mikedriggers3635 4 ай бұрын

Why do these first officers ride down with these captains? Fire me, but I'm taking over. And going home alive.

@Flying_Snakes 4 ай бұрын

Capt didn't do a very good preflight either.

@Active510 4 ай бұрын

Do Tans Peru Flight 204 please 🙏

@deanhoman1958 4 ай бұрын

Grossly incompetent crew

@dan797 4 ай бұрын

So many cockpit crew errors - sad that so many had to pay for this unnecessary stupidity.

@rickn8or 4 ай бұрын

I'm first for a change.

@petuniaskunk2316 4 ай бұрын

And I’m second

@Randomly_Browsing 4 ай бұрын

We don't care

@scorpiocj 4 ай бұрын

Winner winner chicken dinner 😊

@Carlito_Brigante93 4 ай бұрын

Must have been Air france pilots 😂😂

@Houndini 4 ай бұрын

Pilot to Co Pilot open your window & throw out all yes all every bit of the common sense from the flight deck we don’t need it.

@cattinkerbell4946 4 ай бұрын

That was beyond dumb. You just cannot overspeed while climbing!

@paulw4310 Ай бұрын

Wow...they completely botched that from start to "finish". It would be interesting to see those two pilots training records.

@arthurwoodend7760 4 ай бұрын

You crashed in Iran. Never know what happened

@edinsoncavanirespector 4 ай бұрын

It war the ooga booga front for the liberation of dakka dakka stan. Dakka dakka gee had! Dem damn aye rabs

@brittishshorthair6709 4 ай бұрын

Incompetend pilots

@Corinne-v9c 4 ай бұрын

How can the two people allegedly flying that jet be called *pilots?* Stick-shaker activates & they STILL don't point the nose down? wth? Those weren't pilots, sorry to say.

@PJHEATERMAN 11 күн бұрын

Not smart enough to cross reference other instruments to diagnose the airspeed indication problem. Maybe look at the VSI and altimeter. HSI as well.

@Nobilangelo 4 ай бұрын

DEI hires?

@davidwheatcroft2797 Ай бұрын

T tails bad in a stall as bad air covers the elevators rendering them useless, so never stall a T tail a/c. These pilots were stupid and should not even be allowed to wash the a/c! What a disgrace.