Going Over Daenerys II, A Game of Thrones

[@diurtydantv8061]

27:10 maybe 99.99% dothraki weddings are dull affairs.

[@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367]

Illyrio says it, it isn't necessarily true. Europeans blamed Down syndrome on Mongolian rapes.

[@hughmoore2143]

Would have to be.

[@nigelstanding7793]

I think its more the wedding of Khals that Illyrio is discussing. In a similar way that a Lord in Westeros could say that something along the lines of "a Westerosi wedding without a dancing bear is considered a dull afair" 99% of Dothraki weddings would be between common people, and wouldn't have the resources to have elaborate feasts. So to guys like Illyrio and Drogo, they would seem to be "dull afairs" when compared to the spectacle of Drogo and Dani's wedding

[@Mj_Jetson]

32:00 Jorah's gift of Westerosi songs and stories do come back: _The fat leather-bound volume was full of songs and stories from the Seven Kingdoms. Children's stories, if truth be told; too simple and fanciful to be true history. All the heroes were tall and handsome, and you could tell the traitors by their shifty eyes. Yet she loved them all the same. Last night she had been reading of the three princesses in the red tower, locked away by the king for the crime of being beautiful_ (Daenerys VI ASoS)

[@umwha]

deepest lore

[@randomchannel9473]

Oh, that's so ironic. She's like 'this is way too simple, the world doesn't work like this, Jorah just gave me a children's story book' and then she's reading about the maiden vault, something that very much did happen and partially led to the blackfyre rebellion.

[@tobilandsfried8083]

Thanks!

[@annieosenbaugh7218]

Possible explanation for Viserys wanting to take Dany’s virginity before her wedding night: he’s not in love with her, he’s angry he is not living the life of a Targaryen prince. Because Targs are typically wed to their siblings, taking her virginity is his attempt at reclaiming a piece of his lost “birthright.”

[@tomatotamale4546]

power, domination, using fear to try to control her

[@MrSilvUr]

I think the Dothraki more closely analogue the Mongols: They both recieve bribes from cities not to be raidied; the Mongols were given places at the Chinese court in a bid to defuse them (like Drogo's manse); and they had a thing for marrying princesses from foreign nations who would sell them to the Mongols. Mongol religion featured the sky as a deity (Tengri), which sounds a lot like the Dothraki belief that every important act in a man's life take place beneath the open sky. And, of course, "Khals" and "Khans".

[@Longshanks1690]

They’re an amalgamation of various cultures George has read about, but certainly the mongols are the most obvious influence.

[@umwha]

@@Longshanks1690 Yes but remember the HUNS are related to the mongols. All the Eurasian nomadic horse people are related.

[@zifircin1797]

They're basically steppe nomads, don't need to draw a specific connection. Though they are a more rude and brutal version, kind of like a western stereotype of them. (Then again the whole asoiaf world is a somewhat more extreme version of ours)

[@umwha]

@@zifircin1797 The dothraki are often said to be stereotypes, but then again ghengis khan did kill so many people he caused cooling of the earth, and raped people in the hundreds or thousands so....

[@juwebles4352]

Mongols extensively wore body armor and were among the most advanced of the nomadic steppe people. Sure, ASoIaF isn't exactly going for historical authenticity but the dothraki are ultimately more similar to the Scythians, Huns, or even some nomadic pastoralist native American tribes like Apache and Comanche.

[@paulcato3434]

Not sure if Illyrio claiming the eggs are from Asshai has to be a retcon. It makes sense he would lie because if the eggs are believed to be Targ in origin then they aren't really gifts. He's just returning them.

[@zifircin1797]

I hate that they mentioned the 3 eggs in hotd

[@johnford6501]

I believe Dany riding Silver so well even though she had little experience horse riding is a small hint that she possesses the telepathic gene that makes her a dragon rider (see Preston genealogy video). This would be similar to the theory that Lyanna possessed the same gene that made her such a talented rider to be the masked night at the tourney.

[@originalsamshu1]

I was hoping to see more of this series! Thanks Preston.

[@Longshanks1690]

On Drogo having property and having “lived” in the free cities, I don’t think that’s what the text is implying. I don’t think he’s ever stepped foot inside a single one or his manses, he merely owns them. Drogo turns up with his horde, the city gives him a gift, and he leaves again. But he continues to be the sole proprietor, and I assume collects the revenue on the land he owns somehow. Or maybe not, Drogo’s actions later in the book give the indication he actually doesn’t even fathom how rich he is, because if he needs money to get to Westeros, why is he raiding poor farmers in the east of the Dothraki sea who barely have anything instead of selling his estates? Even if he sold every single inch of land he owns, it would be a paltry sum compared to the amount of land he could personally claim once his wife is the Queen, so why doesn’t he do it? And even if he only sold a chunk of his estates, it would surely be magnitudes more wealth than what some defenceless villages can offer. I think the answer is because Drogo is so accustomed to the nomad lifestyle that he doesn’t even understand how wealthy he’s perceived of in Pentos or how wealthy he is under their laws, he only cares for wealth he can physically see and take with his hands, the idea of a property portfolio is anathema to him. But everyone is still so terrified of him, they let him “keep” the various manses just in case he one day does understand and would feel insulted if they gave them to someone else.

[@baab4229]

That's also a contradiction though, isn't it? If Khal Drogo cannot comprehend the abstract notion of wealth then how come he leaves the cities untouched? If he doesn't live in those manses and doesn't visit them then surely he doesn't know what they look like and doesn't really understand why they are a symbol of wealth and HOW they can remain a symbol of his wealth when he does not have them in his possession. If legal wealth and status are so alien to him, then bribing him with a mansion he will never visit is like promising a bear knighthood if he spares your life.

[@Longshanks1690]

@@baab4229 Probably. I think Preston is generally right that the portrayal of the Dothraki don’t make much sense as they should be a lot more “civilised” than they are, but still act like total nomads in every other chapter. They should not just understand but value commerce, finer living and be semi-settled at least, it doesn’t add up. With that being said, I think it could be argued that he leaves cities untouched because he enjoys seeing the gifts that they give him as a show of respect, and to see them grovelling before him. As for why the manses are so big, probably because the Pentoshi don’t want to take the risk that he does understand what an insult looks like by gifting him a smaller manse. So it’s less Drogo accepting a status he recognises in their culture and the Pentoshi bestowing him with what they value in their culture.

[@viking977]

They're raiding for slaves, slaves are worth a lot

[@arvaakuka8568]

I'll say that the raiding of the villages at the end of AGOT never really made sense to me from a logistical point of view. Drogo is marching his men farther away from any port and gaining no army and no resources. I think it's intentional by George. Drogo doesn't actually care about justice or The Seven Kingdoms, he just wants to put out his anger on some innocent people because his child was almost murdered. And of course if he attacked Westeros the outcome wouldn't be any different, he would still be slaughtering innocent peasants who had nothing to do with poisoning Dany.

[@Πολιτεία-λ6σ]

@@Longshanks1690 But this is not even 'acting like nomads' - Nomadic pastoralists *need* to regularly trade with settled people to maintain their lifestyle, it's just inherently a part of the package, they shouldn't even be able to act like savages without an understanding of what property is.

[@justinrivera1618]

I think it makes sense that they couldn’t communicate. She can know all the valerian in the world, but if he only knows enough to just function, I doubt he’s going to be a conversationalist.

[@Temperancefp]

Right? Like I know a few words of Dutch, but I clearly can’t understand people talking nor make my self understood.

[@mmcat2863]

Yeah, I know so many people who had lived in foreign countries for years but can only speak a few basic sentences in the local language ("how much for a kilo apples?"). Just look at most Western foreigners in Asia. Saying Drago does speak Valyrian because he can say "thank you" and "good bye" is pedantic

[@SuchTattedHands]

This is honestly my favorite series you do, I hope you’re able to keep pumping these out

[@Longshanks1690]

I agree that mechanically, it doesn’t make much sense for Dany to go from an average rider on a horse she just met to jumping over fire like an equestrian expert, that’s just silly. But thematically, which I think is the more important point, it works really well. Throughout this chapter, we see Dany in this duality of being honoured, revered and loved, even raised above her own brother on the Dias… but also shunned, discarded and ignored because no one actually cares about her, they only care about Drogo. And if they care about her, it’s as Drogo’s prettiest new conquest or as a Targaryen princess, not as a person. So they heap upon her gifts she doesn’t care about or even want, but it’s expected that they give them and it’s expected she receives them with gratitude. So she plays her part in the pantomime as well she can, grateful only for Jorah’s books as something that will teach her about the home her brother has always bragged about but never truly explained to her. And then we come to Silver, who will get her name later. Here, she is finally able to take some agency and assert some control over her situation, and jumping over the fire is a small act but it shows daring, determination, assertiveness and bravery, all traits we will see Dany show in greater detail over the story. It’s even what gets Drogo to smile for the first time because he’s so enamoured with her after she was sitting still and afraid for the entire ceremony. What we can see is a slow but clear progression towards the ending where Dany, who has been terrified of what Drogo will do to her, takes some control over her situation and is the one who guides him and allows her to be the one to grant consent on their wedding night. The theme of the chapter, a microcosm of her story at large, is of seizing control for yourself in a situation where everyone wants to control you for their own ends. But this is kind of thrown off mechanically by the fact that Dany clearly doesn’t consent to their later sex several chapters on, specifically complaining about it and has to reassert her agency for a second time. It’s why the show’s depiction of Drogo being a forceful brute the entire time is more consistent and makes her claiming agency more of an impactful moment in that story overall… but this chapter was written before that. Like Preston has said before, George is a master at writing chapters as short stories, because that’s what this is. This chapter is a clear story of Dany asserting herself and while it kind of conflicts with later chapters that regress her agency only to restore it again, it nevertheless tells that story incredibly well.

[@zifircin1797]

Just because a character takes control at one point in time under specific circumstances that doesn't mean the whole story should go that way. This is not a short story

[@leomesser415]

If you have a well trained and even tempered horse a fair rider can ride well

[@howmany6824]

Im so glad these are back

[@baerververgaert1308]

The Falx is a historical weapon like a scythe that has the sharp side at the inside of the curve

[@acerola3576]

oh hell yeah, so glad these are back. looking forward to them

[@iliaponomarev1624]

> Daenerys wed khal Drogo, but the wedding didn't happen yet I guess he means that the ceremony happened already, but the feast is just starting.

[@gokbay3057]

Yeah, she wed him officially and ceremonially but the wedding as in the celebrations associated with that word didn't happen yet.

[@Thatguy-un4yq]

18:15 This is such a great point if Stannis married Shireen to Drogo he'd expect him and his khalasar on ships the next day

[@persephone342]

So true. I love Stannis, but the man has zero tolerance for any bs!

[@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367]

​@@persephone342 Stannis bends the rules more than any other of the kings in the story. It's the same way people describe him as humorless despite him having great one-liners.

[@jbailey5061]

Yes because Stannis is a king, who carries himself as such, and comes from a position of power. Viserys is a beggar off the street. He has nothing of his own to trade, no men to enforce his will. Remember he hasn't even brokered this deal himself, this all through Illyrio. Dany is a high value slave that ILLYRIO has sold. Not Viserys. Nobody there actually views Viserys as a king, anyone else in his' position would have realised this.

[@m.q.7149]

@@jbailey5061 That's a good point. Viserys is at such a big disadvantage because he truly has no back up and no one in his corner.

[@CheeseCrumbs00]

​@@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367 100% lol, Stannis was never going to pay Saan. And since he wrote the Iron bank debt in blood you know hes thinking the same as Tyrion and the second sons. Buying steel swords with parchment dragons.

[@pumpkin2477]

So glad you're continuing this series

[@the_soapies]

Hell yeah I'm glad these videos are back!!

[@ПетрБонюк]

A little off topic, but I have a theory. This concerns love lines in a song of ice and fire. In general, this story has one infallible rule: At the end of any love line, one of the two characters dies. And for greater drama, this second one is directly or indirectly guilty of his death. And now look: If Daenerys had not started to protest, Khal Drogo would not have been wounded. It was Catelyn who persuaded Ned to go south, which subsequently led to his death. At first glance, Loras and Renly fall outside this rule, but let's remember their original plan to make Margaery queen. Of course, Renly gets nothing, while the Tyrrells get a royal marriage. So it is highly likely that it was Loras who convinced Renly of the need for this plan, and the ensuing coronation of Renly after Robert's death, because of which he came into conflict with Stannis, and was killed. It was because of Theon's actions that Winterfell was taken, Kira was captured and apparently brutally killed. The marriage of Robb and Jeyne Westerling served as the motive for the red wedding. Perhaps you could forget, but in the first book there was some kind of love story between Sansa and Joffrey. And in A Storm of Swords, it was Sansa who served as the motive for the purple wedding. If Jon had not gone to Castle Black and reported the impending attack of the wildlings, Ygritte could have survived. Petyr Baelish kills Lysa. Tyrion kills Shae. Dalla and Mance. Jarl and Val. As part of Arianna Martell's conspiracy, Arys Oakheart was killed. Arya and Raff Sweet hahahahahahaha And you may notice, what about Tywin and Shae? They died almost at the same time, somehow this is out of the rule. To which I will answer you - Tywin never had sex with Shae. How is that possible? Let's start with the trial. Shae lies in court, and we think that she is having an affair with Tywin. But if you read her speech carefully, it becomes clear that Tywin has nothing to do with it. This speech was aimed not so much at accusing Tyrion of murder, but at humiliating Tyrion. Why would Tywin do this, who clearly cares about the reputation of the Lannisters, he does not want anyone to laugh at his family. If he wanted Tyrion dead, he would want him to die with dignity. Perhaps Carsei insisted that Shae humiliate Tyrion as a form of revenge. But in that case, Shae herself should have told Carsei all these details. But if she is an agent of Varys ... Varys wanted Tyrion to hate the whole damn red keep and want revenge, and join Aegon. Varys was the one who engineered Tyrion's murder of Tywin. So he could have engineered Shae's presence there. Tywin was probably poisoned, so it's not a good time to have sex. Plus he has a secret passage. And he wouldn't sleep with Shae if he knew he had guards on his back who might spill the beans. Plus Shae was wearing the Hand's chain, and Kevan made it clear Tywin didn't approve. So we're kind of supposed to think he's a hypocrite, but maybe he's not. And Shae isn't mentioned in Tywin and Tyrion's last conversation. So there's no evidence he even knows Shae is in his bed. So in the winds of winter, Daario and many others will die.

[@hmmuhhh5715]

Woah 😮

[@hmmuhhh5715]

Not off topic but it’s so silly we just assume like Tyrion that’s way more possible, the ladder in the chamber of the hand with tywins secret sexy time. Makes so much sense bc Varys knows all the secret tunnels and could have made it red and gold to frame Tywin it’s amazing

[@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367]

7:33 i'm pretty sure the love for Jorah comes from the show. in the books you are thinking "Of course Dany isn't sleeping with him", in the show it's "Why is she not?"

[@wademarshall2364]

A hurricane cant keep me from a new preston video! So glad you are keeping up with this series

[@jaysemitchells497]

see this in 3D...

[@mrfoozy47]

Best of luck in the hurricane, friend! Greetings from SWLA, stay safe!

[@user-td4do3op2d]

You should bring the books Jorah gave her into the fanfic. She could learn something useful from them

[@lonemotheo1964]

32:07 Um actually Preston they do come back in a storm of swords after Dany exiles Jorah she tries to read one them but can’t because she’s so heartbroken or something

[@jbailey5061]

I understand, and somewhat agree with, sympathizing with Viserys. That being said he absolutely IS being irrational. He is out of line with the way he's reacting to perceived slights. You can't compare him to Robert and Aerys. They are actual Kings who would have arrived at such a trade with their own riches and their own army to protect them. At this point in the story Viserys is a beggar and Dany is property being sold by ILLYRIO. Not by Viserys. His lack of self-awareness and self-control is completely irrational.

[@6Rock6God6]

Preston, "some words of bastard valyrian" means just that, only some words. Not enough for any actual communication. Its likely that each Free City has translators available to deal with the Dothraki.

[@iliaponomarev1624]

With Dothraki, gifts and trade there are options: 1. They really don't understand trade, all trade in Vaes Dothrak or on behalf of the Dothraki is done by foreigners and slaves. 2. Dothraki pretend to not understand trade to always have a way out of any deal they make.

[@zifircin1797]

They don't understand trade deals, loan, debt etc but they certainly do have a concept of trade in exchanging gifts, certain items like gold and silver being valuable

[@aaronholland4107]

Actually pretty cute Preston being a bit tongue tied and embarrassed when we got to the child rape.

[@tomatotamale4546]

thanks grrm

[@margarinedolby]

I was going to bed, sad I didn’t have more preston to listen to, and I was gifted with this; thanks PJ you the best!

[@mtr2457]

SO glad these are back!

[@justin.channels]

It is nearly impossible to say (as interpreted by we readers or as intended by the author) how much of the "savageness" of the tribe is a cultural affectation or vestige. Practices appear little in daily life but are used extensively in ceremonies and occasions, LIKE WEDDINGS.

[@bradgasdia3927]

The Dothraki, they come, they’re eating the horses! Saw it on TV

[@iliaponomarev1624]

> These books are never seen again I think they appeared in some Meereen Dany chapters.

[@_e1i]

Dany having an instinct for riding and the urge to “fly” (leap over the fire) foreshadow her later dragon riding ability. And her sudden “confidence” with Drogo on their wedding night just seems to be a reaction to his surprising tenderness. Remember she spent the entire chapter nervous about what he would do to her and the brutish, foreign customs-12 people killed, however many women “taken” right out in the open- no doubt added to her apprehension, but all that melted away when he spent so much time on what we would in less creepy circumstances call loving foreplay-slowly helping each other undress, kissing, caressing, etc. But I don’t think either scenario requires possession or magical psychic influence to make sense.

[@WastedSunsets]

Really glad you're continuing this reread.

[@steveandortudge]

This is my favourite kind of video

[@thewatcher2538]

for the algorithm

[@GabrielRodrigues-ro1ep]

I'll be that guy PJ IS BACK MOFOS

[@MrPhbahia]

good to have these backs

[@joaopedrolang]

OMG yessss he’s continuing itttt love you preston

[@levismom100]

I don't know, but when I lost my hymen there was plenty of blood Preston. And are there no bees in Pentos??

[@PaktSardine]

Thank the gods, old and new

[@leftofyou]

Drogo's mance is really just a house with a red door.

[@robwindsor7016]

I always imagined the arakh as more like an Egyptian Khopesh in design - not that its related to those in terms of influences. Did the Scythians ever carry anything like that?

[@wafflesgalore54]

just watched this series today lets go

[@Mj_Jetson]

So I'm still trying to puzzle out why Illyrio gave Dany the eggs. The real answer probably involves a retcon, for argument's sake, to try to make sense of it... Obviously its a bad move to send the eggs away from Pentos for a number of reasons. They could easily be stolen or destroyed. They could hatch, and Dany could go rogue (as happened). The eggs are very valuable in terms of money - even to someone as rich as Illyrio? - and as a symbol of legitimacy (i.e. Mystery Knight), even if they never hatch. If Illyrio thought Dany could hatch the eggs, its weird that he didn't keep her and the eggs at his manse. So my guess at the retconned plan - Illyrio likes having eggs in as many baskets as possible. He'd rather try Plan A and Plan B simultaneously than pick one, even if enacting each plan decreases the odds of the other working. Plan A is to sow chaos in Westeros with a dothraki invasion, then Aegon and the Golden Company invade to vanquish the dothraki looking like heroes, Drogo and Viserys get assassinated, the khalasar descends into chaos and infighting so Aegon is able to defeat them and no one finds out that Aegon's benefactors arranged the crisis in the first place. Plan B is to use Dany to hatch the eggs, give them to Aegon, and invade Westeros with dragons. As to why Illyrio chose to give Dany all 3 eggs, rather than putting them in different baskets... presumably he already tried that? Perhaps he gave toddler Aegon the eggs and they didn't hatch... I guess he figured he could craft really convincing painted stones for Aegon, if he just needed a symbol of legitimacy. From history, we know that not all eggs are the same - some eggs inexplicably never hatch, even when all the eggs around them do (Viserys II and Maelor), so giving Dany more eggs would increase the odds of getting 1 healthy dragon.

[@zifircin1797]

He figured out dany has the dragon genes while faegon or viserys don't. Therefore it doesn't make sense to bother giving them eggs

[@manband20]

Best case scenario is Dany actually hatches the dragons and she and fAegon conquer Westeros together. George probably didn't plan this so early on, but it became the plan later on until Tyrion threw a wrench in it. Worst case scenario is the eggs don't hatch and she uses them to buy an army. This WOULD be years down the line, but unfortunately for them Varys admits things are moving too fast in Westeros because of Ned looking into Cersei and Jamie's vacations to Alabama.

[@Mj_Jetson]

@@manband20 Worst-case scenario is a lot worse - the eggs get smashed or stolen and we never see them again. I guess the chances of getting a dothraki invasion are worth the risk to the egg plan... even if Illyrio is confident about his dragon-hatching knowledge, I guess he thought it was silly to bet everything on dragons, when eggs haven't hatched in centuries?

[@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367]

It's kinda weird the Dolthaki don't have armor. They are literally harmless to any castle and would shatter to any Westerosi armored charge.

[@KonguZya]

Never let practicality ruin a tired fantasy trope.

[@blazikenafonso2758]

Glad this series is back :)

[@Bodharas]

Did you fart and laugh at 19:46 ?

[@stevenreyes4791]

This is insane wtf 💀

[@JoseCinnamon]

thanks for this

[@MrMustache-yn4zm]

why did bro not just edit it out wtf

[@gokbay3057]

wtf was that lmao

[@SolutionEpsilon0]

LMFAOOOOO

[@PhilHibbs]

You condemn Mormont for not following his oath to Viserys, but you don’t do the same for Jaime and King Aerys, you make a big point that Jaime was RIGHT to betray his oath.

[@dylanpriest9756]

Isn't it kind of hypocritical to judge Jorrah for not taking his oaths seriously and praise Brienne in turn, considering how many videos Preston has put out criticizing the entire concept of oaths and vows?

[@manband20]

To be fair, Jorah was a spy for Varys/Illyrio who went out of his way to get Viserys killed so he could fulfill his task of whisking Dany away to hatch the dragon eggs in Asshai. He really wasn't a "loyal knight" in the same way Brienne is. She's going out of her way to risk her own life to save Podrick and Hyle's lives. Jorah only changed his mind because he wanted to have sex with a 15 year old who reminded him of his ex-wife.

[@wms1983wms]

She warged the horse.

[@Jotari]

Dany knows High Valyrian while Drogo only knows a little Bastard Valaryian. She's like an Italian noble trying to speak to a German noble who learned French from French commoners. Different languages. Though that Dany taught him the common tongue instead the more similar High Valyrian is questionable.

[@zifircin1797]

It's because common tongue is still her main language. She is only like 70% proficient in high valyrian

[@Jotari]

@@zifircin1797 Where is that stated?

[@zifircin1797]

@@Jotari It doesn't need to be directly stated. Targaryens speak mostly common tongue day to day and have for like 15 generations at this point. High valyrian is something they learn due to prestige and legacy like latin but isn't their default day to day.

[@Jotari]

@@zifircin1797 Okay, so you pulled the number out of your ass then.

[@Jotari]

@@zifircin1797 Ah, so you pulled that number out of your ass. Okay, now I know.

[@hughmoore2143]

The show runners clearly misunderstood what an arakh was. George’s arakh was almost certainly a description of a scimitar as described by someone who has only seen straight swords before. In the show, they stuck a sickle on the end of a sword, which makes no sense. Sickles and scythes are quite different. A sickle has a short, very curved blade. A scythe has a long, gently curved blade. Both are really for cutting grain, but could be put on the end of a pole for use in war. They both curve inwards, which can be awkward in combat, but Dani doesn’t know much about weapons, and might not make that distinction when describing a scimitar.

[@MrKeegi]

Or... the arakh is a version of a falx.

[@hughmoore2143]

@@MrKeegi also totally possible. I tend to favor the scimitar style (sharp on the outside) just because it’s historically much more common, and is really good for horse combat.

[@kennybell5108]

The horse scene isn’t ridiculous. Some people feel immediately natural riding horses, especially if you go into it without fear, as Dany somehow does in this scene. Horses sense a rider’s emotions and body language and react accordingly.

[@_e1i]

Not to mention the whole psychically bound dragon riding thing and this presaging that.

[@chrisrubin6445]

Drogo spoke only a few words of Bastard Valyrian "Why arent Drogo and Dany talking in Valyrian?!?!?" Idk maybe because Drogo only knows a few words? Not enough for a conversation. I imagine Illyrio has Dothraki translators, why would Drogo need to bother learning the languages of his lessers?

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

We went over this. He visits the Free Cities. He has a Mance.

[@colbymarin3912]

So if I visit Mexico that's means I can speak Spanish? I know a few words but I couldn't have a conversation

[@chrisrubin6445]

@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin Ok, and? Do you imagine Drogo negotiated the purchase of the Manse with some pentoshi landowner? Or was he gifted the Manse as tribute? The Pentoshi obviously are going to have dothraki translators on hand for whenever a khalasar rolls into town, and I dont see why Drogo wouldnt have some translators of his own at his manse. What reason would there be for this warlord to learn Valyrian? Also the text literally says he only knew a few words, not rich person with a foreign vacation house, speaks the local language there, especially when instead of mingling with locals, Drogo brings his own entourage. Big fan btw

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

@@colbymarin3912I would guess that if you owned a home in Mexico and visited every once in a while, then, yes you would probably know a little Spanish.

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin You're missing the point: No one bothered getting a translator because no one thinks of Dany as anything but as an transaction.

[@cheeseproductions748]

Preston nice video but I do have to offer a correction re: did GRRM intend for dragons to feature in the story while writing this chapter... answer is very much Yes. Excerpt from the November 1993 letter to his agent, before he wrote Daenerys II: "When the moment is right, she will kill her husband to avenge her brother, and then flee with a trusted friend into the wilderness beyond Vaes Dothrak. There, hunted by Dothraki bloodriders [?] of her life, she stumbles on a cache of dragon's eggs [?] of a young dragon will give Daenerys the power to bend the Dothraki to her will. Then she begins to plan for her invasion of the Seven Kingdoms." Of course here only one dragon is mentioned rather than three (despite eggs, plural), and the eggs are later found in the wilderness beyond Vaes Dothrak. This tracks with the November 1994 draft of Daenerys II where the dragon eggs were absent from her wedding.

[@dylanperrone6769]

That’s definitely George telling us that Dany wasn’t Drogo’s first virgin and since they aren’t in front of the Khalasar, he doesn’t have to worry about blood of his blood seeing his sensitive side.

[@trenchardjj]

One thing I read recently was about how Drogo's always shadowed by men, which shows his power when compared to Vizzy 3, who only has Jorah, who quickly comes to abandon him.

[@MeghanBelhumeur]

Wasn’t the book Dany was reading in ASoS after she banished Jorah the books he gave her? Or am I misremembering?

[@umwha]

It's weird that Dany never reflects on where her eggs came from. She knows they came from illyrio, so did she never think back to him, and maybe want to say thankyou or ask if he has any more valyrian artefacts? Why doesn't illyrio send messengers to Dany, wanting a piece of the pie?

[@gokbay3057]

Illyrio did send the ships to Qarth to take her back to Pentos, she just went rouge and did her Slaver's Bay thing instead.

[@henrycampbell8655]

PJ IS BACK FOMOS

[@smotp]

I love the Going Over series...!😻

[@TheKYNREEVE]

FINALLY THE REAL SHIT IS BACK BABY

[@iamnotagoose]

47:19 this is the exact moment Preston realized what he’s about to read

[@m.q.7149]

21:20 If he doesn't know enough for a real conversation maybe that's why she didn't bother? She's written to be more scared than anything. I feel like if they were betrothing her to Khal Drogo (which I assume took some planning and coordination) why didn't they think to teach her a bit Dothraki? They clearly had some time at least. Or did Illyrio do that by design to keep her as off balanced as possible cause he didn't really want her to make it?

[@Royal_Chief_Architect]

Preston sighs like a husky who is absolutely fed up and living rent free. 😂 21:16

[@makimasbrat5508]

my favorite part of your channel

[@highlandoutsider]

Forgive me if im wrong, but wasn't the whole "savages at the gates" just Caesar trying to drum up support for an invasion of Gaul?

[@Longshanks1690]

In that time, yes. When the Gauls actually sacked Rome several centuries earlier, it wasn’t. Also wasnt when the various Germanic nations sacked their way across the western empire, and also when the Mongols or Turks were on the march.

[@sploosh6433]

The dream about Viserys feels like another one of the Schrödinger's cat writing. It can both seemed like a fear of rape and prophetic guiding dream telling her what will happen and who is a threat to get rid of.

[@JoelCromwell]

The longer Preston does this deep dive series, the more convinced that I am that GRRM is a hack.

[@rampantrambling]

So glad Doorways fell through. The pilot was so bad. It would've been like a crappier version of SG1

[@desmondgentle1474]

I've been waiting for this series to come back 😊

[@Hazelcake]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHHHHH

[@TheKrostiman]

On the arakh, it seems like a oversized fantasy version of the Egyptian Khopesh

[@ormurin6441]

The scene of mormont and viseris could have been more reasonable: mormont could say something like "a lesser man might beg the khal for a favor but to be his equal you cannot show desperation". That would still give enough reasons for viseris to be insulated. Viseris would be insulted to be called an equal to a khal.

[@viking977]

I would compare the arakh's to Japanese Calvary swords, they were really long curved blades. It is weird that the dothraki seem to love fighting duels with them though which they're not really for. Traditional maybe.

[@DoakFelix-qr8uw]

Preston, the ability to ride. The silver is ridiculous on a first read. I agree. But knowing what you know now, it is not ridiculous. The Wildlings use their abilities on numerous animals. The Starks use their abilities on numerous animals. It is no stretch that Daenerys uses hers in the same way, although she did not notice it in the moment.

[@eli5740]

Yahoo! Yippee!

[@rosstemby1347]

You can’t retcon a draft

[@Azor19]

❤

[@futbolnerd]

Bro if I ever become a writer I'll beg Preston to accept to edit my job. He is so so so good

[@TableTopNeverStop]

Let’s goooooooooooooooooooo

[@kitkat6959]

I've never heard that ASoIaF was originally not going to have dragons in it

[@MissyAmy88]

There is always so much focus on maidenheads/hymens in ASOIAF. It makes sense in their society because they need to make sure the father of a child is the husband, for sake of inheritance. However I am afraid that GRRM might not know how womans anatomy works. I think he belives the old myth that hymens brake during first intercoarse, there is blood, and sometimes virgins lose their hymens to things like riding a horse. This is what Cercei seems to believe in the books. Its what the Ghost of High Heart talks about in her prophecy. In real life most women does not bleed their first time and the hymen never goes away. Its a very stretchy tissue surrounding the opening. It rearly ever tears, but if it does tear, it heals. It is impossible to tell if a women is a virgin or have had sex 1000+++++ times. Hymens have nothing to do with virginity. And yes, this is not new information as it has been known since 1800s in the medical fields. Yet most people even in the west today believes the old myth.

[@astronaughte]

Guess I never realized Drago was literally treating her like a skiddish horse.

[@absolutelycoconuts2065]

yay new bedtime story just dropped

[@the_chosen_one5642]

HE HAS RISEN

[@itaipee]

Jorah books will return once they reunite with the books Sam has left on the ship

[@persephone342]

The Dothraki remind me of Saladin and King Baldwin.

[@pulloutchamp3219]

9 seconds no views. Preston fell off.

[@Longshanks1690]

Thirteen years no books, GRRM fell off.

[@stevenreyes4791]

​@@Longshanks1690Ratiod by fire and blood

[@MrMustache-yn4zm]

@@stevenreyes4791 failed ratio, doesn't progress the story

[@Carlosdreamur]

@@stevenreyes4791radio

[@justin.channels]

It is definitely because of @RedTeamReviews

[@nobodycareswhatithink]

I think George was trying to write something sexy and provocative in the late 80s and early 90s. I think they started off as books for a very different audience.

[@johndcoffee632]

I never took the "lesser man" comment as a jibe at viserys, more that the dothraki see those who beg favours as lesser men. Viserys wasn't begging he was offering a trade, but he took jorah up wrong

[@gingersmash1371]

All my homies love going over AGOT

[@jayandrews807]

Finally

[@itaipee]

Several things you called retcons , can be just Illirio lying

[@bungalowfeuhler1541]

I remember being 12.

[@jaysemitchells497]

So if Dany didn't have dragons, I assume she'd do a Dune and rise the Dothraki like the Fremen and invade that way? Would be a mad interesting story

[@TheSmokeyWolf.]

If she didn't have dragons she would either be forced to stay at Vaes Dothrak or just be killed

[@jaysemitchells497]

@@TheSmokeyWolf. So George originally planned for her to just be killed off? Definitely not.

[@iliaponomarev1624]

Quaithe is Daenerys herself!

[@oswaldoalbuquerque]

Here he comes again overanalyzing and nitpicking stuff that doesn't need to 💩😂

[@makimasbrat5508]

george changing alot during writing it and not correcting it is interesting

[@leeresocke2532]

maybe dany is a horse?