Going Over Eddard III, A Game of Thrones

[@Longshanks1690]

I think Renly’s point about Joffrey being disarmed is less one of actual confusion about these events, and more him expressing the idea that it’s pathetic for a boy his age to lose his sword to a tiny girl for ANY reason. It doesn’t actually matter to Renly that Joffrey was beat with a club on the head, what matters is that his nephew and future King was so pathetic that he dishonoured the family name by allowing a little girl to take his weapon away from him. I think Arya did tell the whole story and told it accurately, Renly just finds what happened that laughable. It’s why I think the way the show handled this line was so much better. In the show, it’s Robert who looks over and says “You let that little girl disarm you?” Not only does this more effectively make the point that it’s being disarmed at all that’s the real issue for Baratheon men, but Joffrey cares deeply for his father’s approval so that line hurts more from him than the uncle he doesn’t care about at all.

[@gokbay3057]

Yeah, Renly isn't confused about it, he is mocking Joffrey.

[@arvaakuka8568]

It's understandable because Renly's sword was never taken by a girl, only boys

[@jennycomelately]

Exactly, but fandom dudebros like Preston will do anything to make Arya the bad guy.

[@BenjaminJimJimothy]

I read Renly’s comments more as “justify how you got beaten by a 9 year old girl” as opposed to “describe the details of how you got beat.” He’s clearly making fun of him. Imagine if something similar happened to you, Preston, and one of your buddy’s asked “how’d you let yourself get beat up by a child.” They aren’t necessarily asking for a play-by-play, they’re making fun of you. Renly is obviously making fun of Joffrey and doesn’t actually care about his story, otherwise he would wait to hear him speak instead of laughing and making a scene.

[@jennycomelately]

Nah, the fandom dude bros like Preston want to bend over backward to make Arya a liar.

[@memeaficionado]

On nobody but Arya mentioning Micah, I think that's an instance where the show actually added a good part of it. I love Ned's response to Varys, "a shame you didn't say one for the butcher's boy" is top notch

[@j-rey-]

15:00 - Renly is a real one for laughing at Joffrey though, even if all these high lords callously disregard Micah's death. I love the part where you can hear Renly in the other room yelling "Lion's Tooth!" and then guffawing as he walks away. To me, that part read as Renly finding Joffrey pathetic and scornworthy for even being in a situation where Arya could disarm him. Renly probably knows that Joffrey is a little sh*t, probably started it, and got what was coming to him. That's why he found the name of the sword so funny. Joffrey fancies himself fierce and proud like a lion, when really, a nine year old girl got the jump on him while he was being a douche and showing off.

[@arvaakuka8568]

There's another way to interpret this though. Why does Joffrey act like a mean piece of shit, trying to appear manly and cruel? It's easy to say "incest" but Tommen has the same genes but is gentler. The big difference is that as a second son and young child Tommen doesn't have the same toxicly masculine expectations placed upon him and thus he doesn't need to compensate for his softness by being cruel.

[@gokbay3057]

@@arvaakuka8568 Oh yeah, a lot of Joffrey's cruelty is nurture rather than nature. Being Cersei's favourite and the one she pays more attention to, also looking up to Robert as his father and wanting to be a big strong warrior like him + societal expectations of being the crown prince. There is definitely quite a lot to unpack with Joffrey. It is not a "lol crazy inbred" thing.

[@kitkat6959]

Renly also should know about the incest at this point, right?

[@arvaakuka8568]

@@gokbay3057 I also want to make the case that while it's fun to watch Renly and Tyrion "roast" Joffrey, they are probably contributing to his insecurity and thus cruelty.

[@Longshanks1690]

@@kitkat6959 Nope. He tells Catelyn that Stannis’ claims were a shock to him, he had no idea about it.

[@jbailey5061]

Even in this society, it's absolutely insane that Sandor is able to ride down Mycah with zero consequences. He laughs in the Hand's face about it for God's sake. He would have at least been given a slap on the wrist by Robert as a gesture to Ned's party. Anything to stop angry notherners from gutting Sandor as he sleeps. We dont think about this because it's such a poignant end to the chapter.

[@martinbruno764]

I always thought it was absolutely mad that ned didn't do anything about mycah. It kinda pissed me off in my first read through, like its not that I have a problem with bad things happening lol, but it just feels cruel for our protagonists (specifically Ned in this instance) to not do anything about such an injustice

[@manband20]

Yeah like even if he was a lowborn, there was no evidence that Mycah ever laid a finger on Joffery AND he has the scar on his face to prove he was attacked himself. Ned should have taken Robert, Renly, Barristan, and maybe Cersei (because she would demand to be there) aside and say "He might have offended your boy, but he was still one of my servants and my daughter swears he had no part in what happened. You want me working for you? Send Clegane back to Casterly Rock because I'm not losing another one of my men to your rabid dog." Then we can have the payoff to Ned's little hatred of the Cleganes be his hatred of The Hound influencing his call to brand The Mountain a traitor when he's sitting in for Robert. He definitely is the type to hate a whole family based on the actions of one member. Then there could be a whole thing about him returning at the Hand's Tourney and Sansa rediscovering her fear for him. I think that would be pretty effective.

[@patrickdematosribeiro1845]

At about 6:00: Ned did not just assume Arya did nothing wrong. As we find out later Sansa had already told him what had happened.

[@gokbay3057]

Also with his daughter being gone for days it is perfectly natural for him to be worried about finding her rather than thinking about whether she was innocent or not.

[@manband20]

Not only that but with something as serious as this, he should presumably be 100% in her corner. He knows Joffrey sucks and Sansa backed that up. If Cersei, someone he dislikes by extension due to his hatred for Jaime, wanted Arya punished for what happened, Ned should be ready to fight tooth and nail to defend his kid. Hell I'd argue that any parents should want to protect their kid rather than assume they did something wrong in the first place.

[@domi6026]

Honestly I don’t think the testimonies require this much analyzing. We, the reader, know pretty much exactly what happened between the children, so we can easily assume that Arya is telling the full course of events. Joffrey on the other hand probably made up a story about being ambushed and trying to defend Sansa. Sure it’d be nice to know what Joffrey said, but these things get patted down and revised by editors, from a writing standpoint there’s no need to hear the testimonies

[@caden2185]

The point of Renly shaming Jof is to attack him in a way he knows would humble an arrogant psycho he knows jof wouldn’t be ashamed of abusing a peasant

[@JayneTheory]

27:20 How is Robert correct that the dire wolves would turn on their owners, when did that ever happen?

[@hugolouessard3914]

I think Preston just assumes that since in real life, wild animal eventually turn on their owners at some point and maul them, in ASOIAF, a fantasy saga, it's the same. Because in reality of course it's a terrible decision to have wild animals as pets, but in the books yeah the direwolves aren't ever turning against their "owners".

[@loganobrien6731]

25:15 I think you may be overanalyzing here. Don’t get me wrong, Cersei is incredibly vindictive most of the time, but the interaction is pretty simple. She’s saying “a direwolf ravaged my child, I want the direwolf we have dead because they’re uncontrollable dangerous beasts” like you’ve said before in previous chapters analyzing how ppl react to the direwolves in the story. She doesn’t give a shit about getting a wolf pelt or punishing Arya or the Starks in general (yet), she’s just saying “get rid of the dangerous animals”

[@Longshanks1690]

@@loganobrien6731 I don’t even think it’s that. I think her primary motivation is making the Starks hurt in any way she can because they hurt her son, so whether it’s wearing the pelt or just enjoying the satisfaction of knowing one of their pets is dead, that’s what Cersei is primarily motivated by.

[@simon_lukas]

@Longshanks1690 I think she is most of all acting as a worried mother at this point. It's about protecting her children (whether or not she's thinking about the prophecy at this moment). And dire wolfs ARE dangerous animals. I feel like if the roles were reversed and Joffrey kept a tame lion that bit Arya, many fans would want it dead too...

[@loganobrien6731]

@@Richard_Nickersonwho says it multiple times?

[@johnp2921]

Why does Preston hate the dire wolves so much lol

[@jennycomelately]

@@johnp2921 he hates all fantasy elements which is why he’s so desperate to retcon them to sci-fi.

[@mitchellhouser1572]

Just that in a real life setting having wild wolves that grow to giant sizes isn’t really a good thing to have your small children take care of when they clearly have the capacity to kill grown adults without much hassle.

[@dann4044]

Imagine a world where random innocent people and animals were killed as punishment for crimes committed by those in power. Sounds like something a crazy person would do; as well as what pretty much happens in every war.

[@joshhoffman5233]

Reminds me a little of Aerion bright flame. Even uncle Baelor was somewhat disturbed that he was doing that to the puppeteers, even though he didn’t agree with it. But the big problem was that Aerion was once again acting like a little bitch just cause he got his ass kicked.

[@gokbay3057]

5:50 With Arya being gone for days (as crazy as Arya avoiding horsemen looking for her and living in the wilderness herself for days at this point is) I imagine Ned would be less worried about whether she was guilty and more on finding her. 12:50 We pretty much do know the story Arya tells (or at least the facts) because we were there in Sansa's chapter. It is utterly unnecessary for it to be included in the chapter word for word. Now, we don't have the exact details of Joffrey's story but we have enough to get the idea and the inclusion of the entire story would be similarly unnecessary. 16:00 As other comments pointed out, Renly isn't actually asking. He is essentially making fun of him in a "you got beaten by a girl/a child" way. Though it is possible Arya just mentioned hitting Joffrey, as opposed to the detail of hitting his head from behind. As for Renly not mentioning Mycah, well yeah. He isn't mocking Joffrey because of his moral failings. He doesn't much care about that. Joffrey, the boy that cut a pregnant cat abusing a peasant isn't noteworthy. Him being beaten by a girl and losing his sword is because it is funny and paints him as pathetic and weak. 22:58 I don't think anybody thinks losing to a girl is a crime. Renly simply finds it hilarious. Now I can't answer what Robert's "disciplining" was but as for his crime, since they don't care for Mycah, it might be trying to hurt Arya before Nymeria stopped it by biting his arm? Arya of course hit him with a stick and threw his sword in the river, which seems sound enough justification for "disciplining" her, though it of course ignores the context of Joffrey threatening her friend with said sword.

[@Longshanks1690]

9:00 I think you missed the most important word in that sentence - still. It’s been over three days, so while there will still be a scar, it is no longer a fresh wound and would have most likely healed by this point so he doesn’t actually need to still wear bandages; He’s wearing them entirely for show to make Joffrey look like the victim of a horrific attack.

[@alanpapercuts3717]

Bro. Sword wounds do not heal enough in 3 days to not need bandages. A tiny cut on your finger maybe, anything larger than that would barely be at the "wet scab opening up every time it moves" period. When I had a deep cut it was still leaking fluid needing frequent bandage changes the first weekend after it happened.

[@Longshanks1690]

@@alanpapercuts3717But it wasn’t a sword cut, it was a bite. Now, we can’t know for certain how different direwolf bites are compared to dogs but most dog bites stop bleeding after around 15 minutes, unless it’s a seriously deep bite. But if Nymeria had actually bitten him that hard, I don’t think Joffrey’s arm would be working again as well as it does within the events of the book. He would probably need bandages all the way into ACOK. But even leaving the medical technicalities aside, it is absolutely in character for Joffrey and Cersei to put on a performative show by putting new, pointless bandages on to make him look like a victim, regardless of if he needs them or not.

[@simon_lukas]

@Longshanks1690 Is it really in character for Cersei to make her son, the golden heir to the iron throne, look like a weak helpless victim in front of everybody? That's not how I read her character.

[@jennycomelately]

@@alanpapercuts3717 imagine being so desperate to condemn Arya that you rewrite the story to make a dog bite into a deep sword slash 🙄

[@gregadkins2483]

This is my major problem with theories, people just say random shit is true and then pile on top. I slipped on a wet road while running, fell on gravel, and had a gash on my knee and shoulder for 4-5 days that made it hard to function. That is random clumsiness. How can you say what would happen when attacked by an actual mythical beast? This isn't your friends dog.

[@justin.channels]

16:12 Renly is not actually concerned with the mechanics of disarming Joffrey or even in the boy's welfare. Renly makes the comment merely to harass the nasty princeling. I think you understand this but you did repeat several times, wondering why Renly spoke

[@Robert-ov1wi]

I absolutely do remember Mycah.

[@justin.channels]

22:44 Robert doesn't know exactly what his son did, only that he did SOMETHING

[@salomealhusami594]

I also read Micah not being given much thought is because George wants us to see how justice works in this world: that even a creature as innocent as an unthinking animal is going to be excuted unjustly, and so, why should they mention the innocence of a human being who is capable of thinking, making decisions, and having the ability of defening himself if he is allowed to? No. They don't want to mention him. They only want to center their attention on a helpless animal. And Lady IS portrayed as helpless because she is a mirror to Sansa's character.

[@umwha]

I think a big thing is just that both sansa and arya needed to lose their wolves for plot reasons, so George had to make this up.

[@connorxconnor1]

Ned’s principle of being the one to deal out punishment personally could be less of a justification for his actions and more a safeguard. Having a more direct connection to an act like execution means he probably considers the situation more. It makes me think of a less extreme but more common example, cyber bullying. Distance and anonymity could make you more callous in your behavior and less worried about the consequences. Or this might be just be a way Ned copes with and excuses things he does in the name of duty. And the idea didn’t help poor Gared but, I think it’s an interesting interpretation.

[@CosmicCorviknight]

Maybe in the fanfic Time Travelling Bran could glimpse a timeline where Lady reaches Kings Landing and matures. Maybe he glimpses full grown Lady devouring Joffrey but sadly this alternate timeline still results in the Others' victory i.e. all the protagonist deaths that occur are somehow necessary to bring about Bran's desired outcome

[@itaipee]

Season 1 portrait these scenes amazingly.

[@umwha]

4:33 This rings a bell, but why would Jaime have even thought about killing Arya if he had found her? Killing Lord Starks child would surely be an act of war.

[@Mj_Jetson]

I found the quote: "Do you see that window, ser?" Jaime used a sword to point. "That was Raymun Darry's bedchamber. Where King Robert slept, on our return from Winterfell. Ned Stark's daughter had run off after her wolf savaged Joff, you'll recall. My sister wanted the girl to lose a hand. The old penalty, for striking one of the blood royal. Robert told her she was cruel and mad. They fought for half the night . . . well, Cersei fought, and Robert drank. Past midnight, the queen summoned me inside. The king was passed out snoring on the Myrish carpet. I asked my sister if she wanted me to carry him to bed. She told me I should carry her to bed, and shrugged out of her robe. I took her on Raymun Darry's bed after stepping over Robert. If His Grace had woken I would have k*lled him there and then. He would not have been the first king to die upon my sword . . . but you know that story, don't you?" He slashed at a tree branch, shearing it in half. "As I was f*cking her, Cersei cried, 'I want.' I thought that she meant me, but it was the Stark girl that she wanted, maimed or dead." The things I do for love. "It was only by chance that Stark's own men found the girl before me. If I had come on her first . . ." (Jaime IV AFfC) I guess Jaime is pretty reckless at this point in the story, and didn't really think of the consequences? Cersei _would_ probably think of that, but delusionally believe either that she can beat the consequences, or that attacking Arya would actually strengthen her hand politically? 🤷‍♀

[@umwha]

@ so Jaime wasn’t seriosuly ever going to kill Arya - he’s just madly in love with Cersei … yet the fact that Cersei was saying ‘I want’ and then the quote cuts off and it’s filled in my Jaime telling us what she wanted makes me think that we don’t really know what she was wanting

[@jennycomelately]

@@umwha cope. Jamie absolutely would have killed a Stark kid at this point in the story. He said so himself.

[@umwha]

@@jennycomelately ?? Jaime is fairly evil at this point but he’s not illogical. He pushed bran out of the window because he had to make sure his affair with Cersei didn’t get out. All Arya did was have her dog bite joff who Jaime dosent care about. Also Brans death was totally concealed , while Aryas death would not be. Cersei didn’t even have a good reason to actually want Aryas dead - Cersei herself suggested removal of a hand- but even she didn’t suggest execution. Jaimes statement is meant to convey his mad love for Cersei in an exaggerated way. However what Cersei wanted is concealed: ‘I want’ …

[@umwha]

Random note but I think we need to be on the look out for the word 'Aryan'. The Targaryens are somewhat based on both the anthropological Aryans and the nazi conception of the aryan race. I'm pointing this out because in real anthropology, the aryans can be detected through 'Ary' or 'ara' word elements - like Arjuna in hinfuism, Argent (silver) and Aura (gold) in greek/latin. Targaryen itself contains 'Aryan', and Targ names like 'Aerys' and 'Daenerys' also contain 'Arys' or similar - House Arryn contains Ary - House 'DAYne' also contains 'AY' - and they are blond and possibly rode eagles or have some valerian root. Valyrian has the 'Aryian' word element too. I think this could be relevant to House 'Darry' which is said to favour the Targaryens. DARRY favours the Aryan Targs. I think all the ancient Valyrian descnedant houses and people are tagged with 'AY' or 'ARY'. The elephant in the room is 'Arya' herself, who is not a valyrian relative, but this could be the exception that proves the rule.

[@wyomingptt]

I know it's the internet in 2024 and everything and everyone is a nazi... but, here an idea, could we just maybe _not_ bring racist shit into it? I know the answer already.. but I had to try lol.........

[@Mj_Jetson]

22:18 How would Robert discipline Joffrey... well, we know how Robert has disciplined Joffrey in the past: " _Joffrey... I remember once, this kitchen cat... the cooks were wont to feed her scraps and fish heads. One told the boy that she had kittens in her belly, thinking he might want one. Joffrey opened up the poor thing with a dagger to see if it were true. When he found the kittens, he brought them to show to his father. Robert hit the boy so hard I thought he'd k*lled him_ " (Davos VI ASoS) Yikes yikes yikes. Also, from Cersei's perspective: " _Robert ignored him. He would have beat him if I'd allowed it. That brute you made me marry once hit the boy so hard he knocked out two of his baby teeth, over some mischief with a cat. I told him I'd k*ll him in his sleep if he ever did it again, and he never did, but sometimes he would say things_ " (Tyrion VI ASoS) Not sure how Robert's discipline here would compare to that? I guess it would depend - does he think the issue is starting a fight with a 9-year-old girl, or losing the fight, or telling lies - Robert _does_ later think that Joffrey lied: "I am sorry for your girl, Ned. Truly. About the wolf, I mean. My son was lying, I'd stake my soul on it." (Eddard VII AGoT) - or sadistically hurting Mycah, or getting drunk and not being able to control himself? (oh my - it would be wonderfully hypocritical if it was the last option) Also during the cat incident, was Robert drunk, did he take a moment to weigh his options as he's had the chance to do now or just instinctively strike the kid? Really start to feel sorry for Joff... surrounded by the some of the worst parental figures imaginable... no wonder he behaved the way he did. Moral of the story: don't be violent near and especially not towards kids; don't treat them like infallible princes; don't let them have swords, alcohol or psychically-linked man-eating wolves, and definitely not all three at the same time?

[@Theopopadopolis]

This chapter reminds me of the sworn sword where sir benice is being cruel and the the lords are just arguing about honour and slights. Dunk is the only one thinking about the small folk, because he is one. I feel like he wrote the sworn sword to be like how this dispute should have gone, if there was one normal person in the room.

[@Theopopadopolis]

Also contrasts well to when eddard is on the throne and he actually is dealing with the real effects on conflict but this time it's Eddard doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

[@umwha]

I’ve reflected on your interpretation of the meaning of the killing of lady. If I understand correctly, you interpret the killing of lady in this context to be a statement by Martin, showing that the traditional female role is wrong and should be killed, in favor of the feminist, tomboy role as symbolized by Nymeria. There’s something that doesn’t sit right to me about this. I agree that, of course Martin is exploring the medieval female, gender role, its limitations, and constructions within this oppressive system. However, the idea that he is advocating for in someway, the slaying of that female archetype, doesn’t scan. For a start , being the subject of victimization unfairly is part of that society constructed role. So Martin would actually be reaffirming it, by depicting its slaying. Lady dying as an unfavorable comparison to Nymeria , really pits the two feminine rolls against one another, with one being solely bad and one being so good. The masculine tomboy role is so good. Pitting women against each other is once again consistent with patriarchy, rather than diverting from patriarchy or being a statement about it. Second thing, although lady is dead, Sansa never stops being feminine, or having traditionally, feminine traits, she becomes last naïve, but she is still very feminine , in ways that are consistent with the actual traits of the female sex, like having empathy, caring about children, having sexual appeal, as we saw in the most recent sample chapter.Sansas development is not symbolized by lady being killed - if anything, Santa grew to more greatly embody the positive potentials of that lady archetype, in more clever and mature ways. There is a theme of women losing their femininity in this story, such as aria , Danny and Cersei all having their haircut, and characters like Brianne and Asher being masculine. But none of these characters went from being feminine to being masculine, symbolizing the death of the traditional female role. Danny went from being a submissive wife to a leader, so in a sense she escaped the traditional female role for a more masculine one. But she doesn’t act or dress in a more masculine way, indeed, she is skewed the role of submissive wife, and took on the mantle of mother, the quintessential female role. So here we see Martin does not envisage the development of that character as the death of the lady role, but rather the evolution of the restrictive, oppressive version of the female role, to ascend to a greater female role, a mythic archetype. That is to say still just as feminine, in another way. This is why I have my disagreements about how you interpreted ladies death. I think it represents the beginning of the death of Sansa’s dream life certainly. It seems to introduce the theme of collective punishment, or one sibling being punished for the transgressions of another sibling, which is a theme that will recur throughout the story, though I don’t know where it’s going, probably something to do with the others and the humans. Finally, I think one of the most important symbols is that Ned killing lady represents the death of Leanna. I believe that Ned had to kill Leanna via a cesarean section using ice thus Ned being forced by the potential wrath of the monarchy to kill a wolf girl is an almost exact reenactment of him killing Leanna. That Nymeria escaped into the deep woods, may indicate that Leanna’s soul was absorbed into the Greenwoods, and may still linger in the magic of the green.

[@mitchellhouser1572]

Just read the first part of your comment, but Preston was saying look what being a traditional woman gets you, you are harmed unfairly. Women conforming to the system are still not truly protected by at as they can be victimized.

[@zoejones6001]

i agree with all of this other than,,, a c-section using a sword so big it is mostly ceremonial? there would be smaller knives to do it with present, i dont think that ned would have used ice never thought about ned having to kill lyanna through c-section before though, that is a very interesting take

[@umwha]

@ Yes actually I should have said Dawn not Ice!

[@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367]

Time to listen to David reads ASOIAF to prepare for the next Going over video

[@sirsplintfastthepungent1373]

Four days is a long time to go without eating more than berries, but you can go three weeks before dying of starvation. Dehydration is more of a concern, but there's plenty of streams in Winterfell.

[@umwha]

Personally, I think it would have been a better story if it was more so Arya's fault that they had a fight. The current framing has Arya be totally good, Joffrey solely bad, and Sansa solely bad by not defending arya. This made the fans hate sansa a lot, nad it frames arya and sansa as very white and black.

[@salomealhusami594]

I read Eddard's choosing to have Lady killed by someone from the North (himself) as some kind of foreshadowing of Ned's demise and how he really brought it upon himself because of his ignorance and puppy-like trusting of others. Also a foreshadowing of how he is ordered to be executed by a Lannister (Joffery), just as Lady is ordered to be executed by a Lannister (Cersei).

[@sashahagerty-lebron7034]

I always took Cersei demanding Lady’s death as multiple things :a punishment for Sansa for not siding with Joff, a way to hurt Arya as Sansa will likely blame her for Lady’s death and treat her poorly because of it (like Cersei blames Tyrion for her mothers death and treats him like crap), as a f@&k you to both Robert for his comment and Ned for daring to question her.

[@Whatwhat86]

What if renlys comments were meant to set off robert, he knows his brother and joffery, it causes this argument and isnt he trying to get robert and cersei seperated

[@OfficialArthusamakh]

Executing the man/wolf himself makes Eddard take more reponsibility for what he's doing. It's not just delegating it to someone to get it done and then forget about it. I'd argue that it makes at least a slight difference. It may not change the overall justice of the execution but at least he takes *some* responsability and toll

[@kitkat6959]

I think it's interesting to imagine Otto or any other Hand in Ned's place here and how he would react to Cersei. Would they not object to her demands on their own honor?

[@baaaldur]

_Does_ Sansa still idolize Cersei after this? Doesn't she say in her next chapter that "the queen is the one to hate" in comparison to Joffrey?

[@daniell1483]

I don't know why you are putting Jaime's pushing Bran from the tower on Cersei. That doesn't make much sense; Cersei specifically complains to Jaime about this very event. It was Jaime's decision to push Bran, not Cersei. No offense Preston, but I get the impression you've forgotten/misremembered a lot of elements from the earlier works. I like some of your theories, but when you get basic stuff like this wrong, it makes me reconsider just how much veracity your analysis carries. I don't say that to be rude, but really, how do you forget who pushed Bran?! Edit: further, Vayon Poole died after Ned's failed coup. IIRC Arya talks to him briefly before he dies.

[@martinbruno764]

Jayne pool also talks about thinking the lannisters killed her father to sansa when the two of them are locked together

[@camrn_brian]

He thought Summer was in the room when the Catspaw came to kill Bran as well.

[@daniell1483]

@@Richard_Nickerson I want to be generous as I do think PJ does make some good points (in other series), but in this series, every few videos show one or more red flags that make no sense. Agreed on the issue of Joffrey's arm. Nymeria was very small at the time of the bite, not a full-grown direwolf. For some reason, PJ doesn't seem to understand that. Joff and Cersei's later actions show that they were playing up the injury to "one up" the Starks. Further, after this chapter, Joff never complains of this injury and it doesn't stop him from fully using his arm to, for example, use Widow's Wail on Tyrion's wedding gift (The Life of Four Kings, the book). If Joff was injured at all, it was very minor and it had no lasting effects. I want to like this series, but all it has done so far is make me question PJ's judgement and analytical credibility. Very bewildering.

[@gokbay3057]

@@camrn_brian In fairness he did at least have a note on the screen admitting to his mistake that time.

[@datsweetsansabooty]

What happened to the Kamala stream? I wanted to read thru the comments section

[@MrPhbahia]

Ned chapters are so good, shame they’re only in Bk1

[@Nordy941]

Moving fast I still haven’t watched the Sansa episode. Love to see it thanks for the content.

[@frewthelookingglass860]

I think another reason for killing Lady, is Cersei wants to consolidate power - and can’t control the Direwolves, so makes sense for her to want to kill everything that’s an uncontrollable threat

[@Jeroen1899]

Hope you keep this up. I am always looking forward to these. Greetings from The Hague.

[@martinbruno764]

Lady's death is supposed to foreshadow sansa getting stripped of her stark identity, I think your reading about it being an allegory for traditional femininity seems just kinda half baked, the wolfs are just mean to take after each stark sibling, and I dont think grrm's point is that traditional femininity makes it "prone for you to get killed"

[@camrn_brian]

Dance of Dragons was published alright when the TV show aired. George doesn’t care. He got his HBO money, he’s got his recognition. Why would he want to work on Winds of Winter? Go to cons, get some interviews, hit up Vegas, enjoy your life. All of us as fans are like but I want to know what happens!” George doesn’t even know. He started it in a whim and after a failed tv show went back to it. Give respect to the man for carrying it through five books. He has no long term plan he’s a gardener.

[@drbenwaynewyersy9976]

28m:10s my apologies, but you may have underestimated the significance of the passage starting with Arya shouting "Lady wasn't there!" and ending with "She started to cry.".. "I promise.." and "Promise me.." are two VERY different things to begin with.. and the context of the scene in relation to what Eddard tells Arya in Arya II, makes it less a reference of Eddard's promise to Lyanna but a perversion of it.. because Sansa's promise is part of her deliberate betrayal of Arya.. who, as Eddard says in Arya II, not only looks like Lyanna but is also very similar to her in character.. which he also tells Arya in a conversation about this very situation (Sansa I + Eddard III), because George is a motherf*cker.. also, at this point nobody knows that Mycah is dead because the search party including Sandor Clegane has not returned to Darry, yet.. they will do so only at the end of the chapter, after Eddard has killed Lady.. because George is a motherf*cker.. and of course Sansa's betrayal of Arya resulting in the death of Lady, is foreshadowing of Sansa's second betrayal of her family.. whem she reveals Eddard's plans to leave King's Landing to Cersei.. the very person who ordered Lady to be killed..

[@feral7523]

There's zero confusion about the two stories versions, Arya said Joff and Sansa came over Joff started strutting and bullying so they defended themselves. Joff said him and Sansa came on them and they chatted and out of the blue they attacked him. Both versions are true ish!! depending on point of view.

[@jennycomelately]

@@Richard_Nickerson Exactly. People just hate Arya so much they’ll actually defend Jeoffery callously throwing away the lives of the lower class 😭

[@mitchellhouser1572]

@@jennycomelatelyI mean I think he’s being honest when he says “I won’t hurt you… much” I don’t think he was going to literally kill Mycah. Like yeah cutting someone’s face for no reason is obviously a sadistic thing to do but I don’t think he intended to murder him.

[@jennycomelately]

@@mitchellhouser1572 Imagine hating Arya so much that you're literally defending Joffrey 🤯 I'm so glad to know that from your perspective Noble men should be permitted to permanently wound an innocent child with impunity, and the line is only drawn at killing! Good job 👏👏👏

[@humzakhalid7902]

12:40 but he is...both by cercei and joffrey..."her and her butchers boy attacked him with clubs..." u read that less than a minute ago haha...and its funnier cuz u seem to be over looking mikah....at around 16:21 u said "THEY hit him in the back of the head" when it was just arya who hit him...we know what happened...so we dont need all of their stories as they told them..we can deduce what joffrey must have told them after arya told the truth...that arya and mikah beat joffrey with clubs...which isnt ue even with just arya they had branches...not wooden swords not clubs...sticks...and then arya set her wolf on him and threw his word in the river...now take this and compare it to what actually happened...joffrey had his sword against mikahs face cutting him when arya hit him in the back of the head with a stick...which lead joffrey to turn around and swing live steel at arya until she fell...that is when nymeria attacked joffrey to protect arya...so these are the two stories told to robert...when sansa is brought up ned knows aryas story is true because that is what sansa had told him the day it happened...theres no mystery there...and what cercei got from killing lady is that since sansa is betrothed to joffrey and he acts out like she knows he will, lady wouldnt be there to protect sansa...

[@Piperdogloveshats]

What happened to your most recent live stream, I went to finish it and it was taken down?

[@drakim2]

5:40 as a man with no children, but teaches 15-17 year olds; I disagree

[@Jotari]

I reckon Nee knew Arya didn't do anything to Joffrey because he likely made Sansa tell the truth. When is it retconned that Jaime wanted to kill Arya?

[@manband20]

Can we talk about how Arya, who had just clobbered her sister for selling her out, was going up to bat to protect Sansa's wolf... only for Sansa to say Arya and Nymeria were to blame and throw her sister under the bus? Damn, Arya was a real one for this. But Sansa? Woof.

[@convenientlyshapedlamp8664]

Another Preston blessin’ 🙏

[@CoachJohnMcGuirk]

Eddard 3! The best chapter to read when youre wiping and it feels like pulling peanut butter from shag carpeting.

[@j-rey-]

That definitely sounds like something Coach McGuirk would say.

[@leftofyou]

Arya pulled a Howland, before tossing the Sword of the Morning in the Dornish marshlands.

[@Alyx.A]

Goddamit I missed the Stream for Kamala! PJ send me that unlisted link yo!

[@ParkedNorth]

Could they be jealous that the starks have these like super powerful and super loyal wolves on their side, especially joff

[@deppjonesy1143]

Hi Preston, could you please re-upload (?) the kamala stream?

[@willorwyrd]

I think the point of Renly's antics are that he (and many other people in the royal circle) knows that Joffrey is a piece of garbage who was probably acting like a maniac and probably deserved what he got. Bringing up the girl thing is meant to insult him, but I think Renly is not so much laughing at Joffrey being beaten by a child girl, he is just calling out Joffrey in a general sense, as in "why were you even in a fight with a girl? probably because you were acting like a gilded piece of trash"

[@66something_77]

‏‪5:46‬‏ Or sansa told him

[@HemantChauhan-p7o]

I need more of these

[@iamsheel]

Oh yes, the spineless boneless cowardly noble lord Eddard Stark.

[@Gui101do]

More Preston!

[@SHARKVADERS]

PJ IS BACK FOMOS

[@olilacon]

wth does fomos mean bro??

[@Longshanks1690]

@@olilaconMofos but in reverse

[@rasheedturner3532]

It’s not tho

[@theletterm5425]

31:07 Not sure why Preston believes Gared shouldn‘t have been executed. He deserted his post. Sure, he was traumatized by the Others and what he witnessed but that is no excuse to forsake your vows. In fact, had Garred had his wits about him he would have returned to Castle Black and reported everything to Lord Commander Mormont. Instead he chose to flee. Ned’s assessment that a deserter knows his life is forfeit and will not hesitate to commit further crimes is absolutely right in this situation. So yes, Gared was rightfully executed for breaking his vows and deserting the Night’s Watch.

[@gokbay3057]

Yup, if you consider the Watch to be a military he deserted and if you consider it a prison then he escaped prison. Both of those are illegal, so it is perfectly natural for him to be executed. Preston goes over Gared's execution in the video he has on the chapter it happens in as well as the prologue I think, there are also lots of comments disagreeing. One of his arguments against said comments was about Westeros' legal system not being a moral one in his opinion iirc.

[@christophermills4067]

What happened to the last stream?

[@SR-zv5ue]

I’m wondering this too?!

[@DWenning]

I was wondering the same, I had it downloaded to listen to later, but it appears to be gone now.

[@christophermills4067]

KZbin likes Trump

[@christophermills4067]

Trump😂

[@kasey670]

nice shirt

[@sdrawkcab190]

You criticize a lot of the characters for not caring about Mika's death but Mika's fate wasn't known yet to any of them.

[@Galero15]

Robert knows his son is a psycho

[@tjosiahhaynes]

First comment! (I was seventh, but I'm vision casting)

[@FlorianMark]

Alot of people read the chapters on yt but I love how you present it with all the backstory.

[@michelechadwick3808]

❤

[@profoundpronoun4712]

❤❤❤😊

[@christophermills4067]

Wtf man trump was suppose to lose

[@KumarAnshs]

Hey Preston, if you’re reading this, know that your true fans weren’t affected by the Kamala livestream. Personally, I think you should have kept it up instead of deleting it. I’m a Trump supporter, but I still enjoy your videos and respect you a lot. This is America-the land of the free and home of the brave-where everyone’s entitled to their own opinion.

[@mitchellhouser1572]

Huh why what happened on the stream?

[@bryanm4016]

FIRST!