SAPI plates vs 308 SLAP rounds

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[@deplorablepiratecaptaingunberd]

Kentucky Ballistics neck must be driving him crazy right now

[@cruejones742]

It's only a 308 slap round. Not even remotely as interesting as his 50cal.

[@ajr10420]

No RN50 so no problem

[@ThisisForTheTV]

​@@ajr10420RN50 Was not the problem.

[@cruejones742]

@@ThisisForTheTV ya if they'd watched any of the 100 videos about it they would know it was a hot round. Pressures almost double what they were supposed to be.

[@sionsoschwalts2762]

The black ceramic is Boron carbide, its darker than the cheap aluminium oxide used in most other plates.

[@sheldoniusRex]

This is correct.

[@SlobodanJaric-br6mv]

Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't Boron used in Chernobyl? Rus. sprinkled it on the reactor to shut down the reaction.

[@sionsoschwalts2762]

@SlobodanJaric-br6mv Both sand and Boron carbide was dumped in large quantities from helicopters to act as a neutron absorber and prevent a renewed chain reaction. Dolomite was also added later to act as heat sink and a source of carbon dioxide to try and smother the fire, Th worked to a limited extent and most of the helicopters dumping the sand crashed as they flew over the open reactor core.

[@BuffRANGE]

Some of the XSAPI and ESAPI plates have a crack arrestor in them that’s usually a thin piece of “sheet metal” Those look like XSAPI and have Silicon Cardbide for strike faces. Very good at tungsten. The M993 performed better because of the mass of the penetrator. Even though the speed is there the ceramic eats up the smaller core.

[@GoingBallistic]

Thanks for chiming in

[@bmstylee]

It would be interesting to see what a sabot 308 loaded onto a 338 Lapua case could do.

[@TheHaughtyOsprey]

If it wasn't solid copper it'd probably disintegrate

[@baileyparadis1815]

Those appear to have been XSAPI plates. They were rated for greater AP threats then the regular issued ESAPI. Only produced in limited numbers making them extremely desirable. So much for those 2 lol.

[@Jason_556]

That sucks

[@DS-sn9jk]

I still have the front and back.. never had much use for side plates. There are better options (now) considering how heavy those were.

[@theslayer9164]

the OG issued to be just SAPI plates then to ESAPI and XSAPI are pretty are however for at least some infantry units you can get shooter cut ESAPI for the MSV that is rated AP 30-06

[@T800123]

@@theslayer9164 ...all NIJ LVL IV is rated for one hit of M2AP 30-06. ESAPI is issued to everyone deploying to an active combat zone, not just "some infantry."

[@theslayer9164]

@@T800123 we got ESAPI shooter cut plates in the 82nd and I have personally never seen a combat zone actually most of the battalion hasn’t sense Afghanistan pull out yet once they got back about a year later we all got shooter cut ESAPI plates issued to us from CIF it was mandatory

[@clifbradley]

There could be differences in velocities because of barrel length. When I worked security on yachts, we needed a minimum 24" barrel length and a maximum of 32". When I was engaged in situation, the enemy was using a Chinese cloned Dragonuv and even though they were using 7.62x54R steel core and we think some spotters rounds, they couldn't pierce the fairing amd the 12mm steel of the hull nor the windows we had which were 1 inch thick. They didn't look very good but they held. Better than the guy shooting at us. 4 guns using DD Mk18 and 'copies' of the SR-25 with a 28" barrel, somebody got him and we were using Remington 172 gr FMJ boattail and 168 gr round nose. We easily pierced their aluminum hulll from 450 yards away.

[@buhrdt]

We need Going Ballistic and Ballistic High Speed to collaborate on some of these sabot rounds.

[@GoingBallistic]

Some day

[@dimanhursky]

Удачи, парни. Смотрю вас, учу английский по вашим видео. Хорошо поставленная речь, почти ничего не понимал, сейчас прогресс на лицо.

[@BCM1959]

Are you trying to learn english just for fun or are you planning on coming here?

[@Miohunter444]

I could feel the tension through the internet when Justin smacked that mag on the ground!! lol

[@hunterrick4]

I see you took tiborasurus rex's advice and removed the muzzle device.

[@davidpeterson6147]

do NOT magazine feed SABOT type rounds. Carefully put into chamber and release the bolt. The SABOT projectile can become dislodged during feeding and result in a barrel obstruction, then your face gets blown off.

[@cruejones742]

You're only speculating. Site specific examples of that exact event that you saw with your own eyes.

[@notyouraveragegoldenpotato]

​@@cruejones742 he can't. His eyes got blowed off

[@MountaintravelerEddie]

These can and have been fired out of the M110 and the Mk-39 EBR Just my experience from being in the Marine Corps and now retired

[@davidpeterson6147]

@@MountaintravelerEddie Thank you for your service.

[@robertborgeson1821]

I just typed like a 3 page essay trying to figure out the physics of how that might happen. I decided that was too much for KZbin and it wasnt very well written. Essentially I just don't see anyway that the weapon would be able to go into battery without all the pieces in the correct orientation. Even if everything separated, they would still be lined up correctly and if the bolt was able to close, they would be smushed together. Even if it may not be ideal, I don't see it as dangerous, just a hindrance to stability and accuracy. I'm not here to bicker. Your comment was thought provoking and I'm genuinely just trying to figure out if sabot rounds do present a risk in mag fed weapons. I would really like to hear your thoughts on how this could happen and if you have any evidence and/or you could just map out what would be happening in the chamber that would cause danger if there was separation. All in the spirit of the pursuit of knowledge. Thanks my friend. Look forward to hearing from you.

[@randyhavard6084]

Back in the day Remington made a sabo 30-06 round but the best I could get was a 6-in group at 100 yd, and that was one of the better groups

[@88Cardey]

Hey guys, glad to see you back. It's awesome to see more slap round content. I'd love to see if a 50.cal slap could make it through the Squire Stronghold SS100CS padlock... That things a beast, I've seen it take multiple normal and AP 50.cal but I've never seen anyone try a slap on it. I think they're quite expensive though.

[@PorchPotatoMike]

Don’t try cutting them on your bandsaw. The ceramic will just destroy your blade.

[@Romis_z]

Никогда не надоест смотреть как эти чуваки всякую хрень расстреливают!

[@GoingBallistic]

Thanks

[@frenchroast1355]

Slo-mo music is back, and Justin's war on magazines continues. Life is good.

[@jager6863]

Penetration is a combination of core construction, velocity, projectile mass and penetrator length. The M993 is rated to penetrate 15mm of RHA and the M995 is rated at 12mm of RHA. M948 7.62 x 51 SLAP rounds were discontinued for a reason, ie they were blowing up and destroying barrels in the M60 machinegun and personally I don't trust them not to damage the rifle or injure the operator. Count yourselves very lucky.

[@thomasoxley6089]

Ahh yes, metal side plates, so now I can have broken ribs for dinner with spall in my armpits for dessert

[@RobertCraft-re5sf]

Yeah never go metal plates

[@trashcompactorYT]

metal plates kill

[@jeremymcadam7400]

Better than last night's dinner being blown out I guess

[@jeremymcadam7400]

High sectional density is important for penetration. Think of a sheet of paper; No matter how fast its going, theres nothing behind it to force the contact point through the target

[@AKFF320]

No lab coat for you. You are no Garand Thumb

[@cheryltysver4819]

Just a little heads up with regards to saboted rounds! Years ago (mid 80's- early 90's) I ran across several sources for (NWM) 5.56 'W' rounds as well as SLAP rounds that I should have gotten more a handful of... except for the fact that the initial tests were somewhat disappointing when reloaded into .300 Win. magnum and .30/378 Weatherby cases... utilizing the original 7.62 SLAP sabots. The rounds were shot into Cold Rolled Mild Steel and various stainless steels (AR 500/550, et al., was not readily available as is the case these days, unfortunately). Later tests in the early 90's... utilized monolithic brass sleeved sabots around the tungsten cored 5.56 projectiles loaded into what amounted to today's Chey-tach case necked to .30 caliber. Barrel lengths were 36". Those Tungsten 5.56 brass sleeved rounds performed exceptionally well at a little over 6,000 fps... bulging the back 2.5" cold rolled steel plate. When working with sabots, other than the original SLAP rounds, I would not trust any other plastic sabot that was from any unknown source short of top level government or major manufacturer. Also, even when reloading the original SLAP rounds... it's extremely important to know how they were obtained or pulled from loaded ammunition in order to avoid possible damage to the projectiles when die or kinetic approaches are used (i.e.- usually sacrificing the case via tubing cutter, was the safest bet). Lastly, the choice of propellent should be undertaken by only the most experienced reloaders with extensive experience with the cartridge cases and propellent burn rate and relevant P/T curve data (which can sometimes be acquired from the various labs),if possible. Always keeping in mind the importance of keeping your powder dry.

[@ohbeardedone9253]

Wow. 6000fps!! Any websites with data on that. Ballistics changes around that speed.

[@mistertoad5286]

The real advantage to those sabot rounds is that the bullet can't be traced back to the rifle as it does not come into contact with the lands and grooves.

[@robertborgeson1821]

...but the sabot can. That is going downrange as well

[@operatorscotty7365]

Glad you're back brothers!

[@canadiansfor2A]

I'm glad you guys are back making videos !

[@GoingBallistic]

Us too!

[@danielcurtis1434]

I know they used to sell .308” sabots for .224” bullets. With standard ball rounds going 4,000 FPS penetration of some level 4 was possible. When loaded in .300 WM at 5,000 fps it was a sure thing.

[@cdrkennon]

The M995 was keyholing. I suspect something wrong with them - reloads?

[@galesams4205]

Vietnam veteran: M-14 springfield best battle rifle ever made. 7.62 x 51 NATO. Total garbage m-16 colt , 223 cal. Matel....TONKA. U.S. Army issued.

[@GunsBlazingRanch]

Awesome video 👍

[@GoingBallistic]

Thank you 👍

[@NeroontheGoon]

Why yes, the SAPI plate is an aluminum canister filled with Boron Carbide particles, either sintered or in a polymer binder,of scientifically calculated size. The purpose is to abrade the bullet to nothingness before it goes through. By the way, getting the powder on your hands will affect the size of your manhood.

[@user-bd5md5cm2j]

I knew there was a scientific reason why I was having a problem...

[@silasearl3169]

😂😂 love you guys. Always awesome videos. I'm highly surprised and disappointed you don't have a million subscribers. Very well deserve it and can do it. 💪💪💪

[@spraybs]

Wow. They reinvented the .22-250. Only they made it more complicated to load.

[@rojopachuga]

the mag swipes off the table awesome!

[@GoingBallistic]

Some people got SO mad lol

[@Jack_Rabbit71]

@@GoingBallistic If they aren't SLAP rounds, then they are definitely SLAP mags! Awesome Justin. Great vid and great to see you're back at it! Thanks for posting...

[@joshmiller1092]

Justin please stop dropping the mags in the dirt😂

[@ericharris5299]

Glad to have yall back uploading videos.

[@danielcurtis1434]

One issue with sabots is you need to make sure you the twist rate matches the projectile. I suspect that getting a .308 barrel with 1:10” twist isn’t gonna work with a 60-65 grain steel round. Not sure how common a 1:9” .308 barrel is? However getting something that stabilizes a 220 grain .308” should work for almost all .224” sabot rounds. Remember it’s the length of the bullets so make sure they match. This is why most saboted rounds from .308” using .224” bullets use 55 grain as it is closer in length to the longest of standard .308” bullets. It’s something easy to overlook. I know they had a 50 grain hardened steel 5.56 round in Vietnam…doubt you can find em now?

[@CanVultus]

Nice Thomas Dolby reference! I love this channel lol!

[@DLFerg0369]

Military Small Arms Protective Insert (SAPI) plates are primarily made from ceramic materials, specifically boron carbide or silicon carbide. These materials are chosen for their high hardness and ability to stop high-velocity rifle rounds, such as the 7.62x51mm NATO M80 ball. The Enhanced Small Arms Protective Insert (ESAPI) plates, which are an upgraded version, are typically made from boron carbide and offer even greater protection, capable of stopping armor-piercing rounds like the .30-06 M2AP.

[@majkiboy86]

Nicely done. Great as always

[@donniejoy4469]

That Sabot probably started blowing apart the minute it touched the plate.. probably why the whole looked oblong.

[@MaxSentsov-y3z]

You're awesome guys! As always, a great video! Keep it going! 😎

[@GoingBallistic]

Thank you! Will do!

[@Chevydude1982]

those sapi plates are awesome. u see the round dumped all its energy and turns it into ceramic dust.

[@gearedweird3682]

I can appreciate Justin’s attempt to humor 😂

[@bassambouhamad7935]

Ooh my goodness what a power, I love it.

[@rowlinstoned3715]

The first level 4 pad impact slowmo was AMAZINGLY satisfying

[@crankygunreviews]

Those SAPI plates actually seem to be pretty decent

[@Legendary-2024]

i think that would be a good t-shirt idea guys, '' lets punch some holes'' and have a image of a gun on the shirt. :)

[@luke144]

Wicked video. Highly prudent.

[@brucecook502]

Those slap rounds mean serious business no joke!

[@Knife_Collector]

One thing I have tried to get people to test is the plastic shopping bags. I bought a case of them, but now do not have a place to test them, even tho a friend does, but would not be as professional as what you do. I basically wanted to know if 1-2 inches of 'new' shopping bags would stop handgun rounds, or how many inches it would take. I am thinking it would make expedient body armor if it would stop pistol rounds, or at least slow them down enough to save your life.

[@jasoneckhart1997]

It's all about energy... Energy=Mass X Velocity or E=MV...Science!

[@Wr3ckZ]

I'm just here for the traditional mag toss!! ROFLMBBAO!!

[@Biketunerfy]

They are ceramic body armour and made out of silicon carbide. Others are made out of alumina, or boron carbide, or titanium diboride

[@brandenfiles5050]

You guys don't deserve to be at 200k subscribers, you DESERVE to be at 2 million subscribers

[@GoingBallistic]

I love you man 🥲

[@brandenfiles5050]

@GoingBallistic right back at ya!! Keep up the great vids!!

[@GianmarioScotti]

So if we are to believe the experiments, the M993 performed better than the saboted M995. Looks like the saboting of the 5.56 round is counterproductive. Just use the correct caliber for the gun, 308?

[@joshuafroughton4171]

I'm appalled by how little subs you guys have. Your videos are fantastic, and I always watch from beginning to end. I wish yall the best

[@GoingBallistic]

Thanks so much. Some day we might make it to 200k lol

[@AK907CRAIG]

Very impressive rounds . Should've had something like ballistic gelatin or meat behind the armor plate put between the setup, soft fleshlike material added behind the armor would've changed the total blackface deformation and results would've been different.

[@terryritchings242]

You guys are awesome. 😊

[@GianmarioScotti]

The ceramic in the SAPI plates is aluminium oxide, should be fairly safe to touch.

[@GoingBallistic]

Thank you!

[@sheldoniusRex]

This is incorrect. XSAPI use boron carbide. That's why it is dark gray, not almost white.

[@sheldoniusRex]

This is incorrect. XSAPI use boron carbide which is why the powder is dark gray. Aluminum oxide is basically white.

[@demolitioncarebear5462]

the plate behind the sapi plate might have stopped penetration in the future consider air gapping or putting soft flesh like material behind it.

[@LeonDetlefs]

the M995 carries 3584 joules and the m993 about 7719 joules. So the M993 has still more than double the kinetic energy

[@SpeKterDesigns]

Conservation of momentum is the reason heavier round is better than smaller round.

[@philmcglen6194]

Yes guys! You should do camo lab coats! You know, for science lol 😂

[@bobcatforever3485]

GB. Another good and interesting video. Thanks for sharing and take care.

[@GoingBallistic]

Thanks 👍

[@knobjob2839]

This guy reminds me of every dad growing up.

[@rowlinstoned3715]

The slap round 308 was crazy!

[@Daniel7.62]

The first sabot round that went 3460 fps could have picked up the plastic sabot instead of the actual bullet. Not sure but is a possibility

[@lancer2204]

Regarding the SLAP rounds and their apparent inaccuracies. Two things come to mind. 1. How well does the sabot engage the rifling? 2. How securely is the projectile held by the sabot? If either is substandard then projectile spin will be garbage.

[@justinpearson6449]

I was going to say the same. I suspect the homemade ones were not engaging and losing pressure in the barrel hence the lower speed. The last sabot was a solid piece that would leave the projectile after the bullet left the barrel. 1\2 mv2 if the bullet is stable and strong enough to hold together on impact velocity is king.

[@drew0174]

love the deal with the mag lmao

[@JoeyOutlaw]

Im guessing Boron Carbide

[@randoboomer2345]

He Hates those Magazines !!!

[@UnknownUnknownUnknown3]

I liked this fight between plates and rounds

[@angryocho5601]

Not gonna do it, would be prudent for this.. juncture. 🤣 Been a while since I was remimded of Dana Carvy doing Bush Sr.

[@Thegoofyairgunner]

Glad you guys are getting out and having fun!!! I don’t know why but I found myself curious about how you guys met and how long yall have been friends. What is the origin story of Going Ballistic?

[@joshuagibson2520]

Justin has a fab shop. I think Chris worked there at one time. I may be completely wrong, but MOAB Mfg is a real thing.

[@Thegoofyairgunner]

@@joshuagibson2520that sounds familiar. You triggered a vague memory but I couldn’t remember where I put my phone and it is in my hand so…..

[@tannersherwood282]

I believe the stuff in the sapper plate is boron carbide

[@AWStuck]

Good video 👍🏻

[@andrew86fl]

Cool stuff

[@wethepeople4762]

For the Algorithm, and because y’all are awesome. 👍🏻

[@the_borax_kid2233]

dude that dent would break a rib cage

[@BulletSpoung]

I subscribed just because of the 7.62X51 SLAP content.

[@TheAcceleratorMagazine]

Guess you cleared the rifle after dropping the magazine..... I fuct that up once upon a time and got my offical negligent discharge.... rick in Tennessee. Patron state of shootin stuff.

[@rippertrain]

I have some Winchester ballistic tip 55 grain loaded up in .243 , I clocked them at 3993 fps out of my rem700 spsv. I wonder if they go through armor.

[@Nikolai-Fedorov]

Спасибо за видео, интересно )

[@carlosdiaz2688]

I Like when you do the comparisons .. dont get Fancy just keep it simple Why not do same round in different materials Like that young dude From banana balistic Get your own Barrier And do them over and over You guys got them crazy Power Bullets

[@Chevydude1982]

slap rounds on level 3? didnt even know they had level 3 steel. lol

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

I've been loading these in a 22 creedmoor. You can get just the projectiles off gunbroker.

[@Chabrinklo6.5]

The tungsten cores?

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

@Chabrinklo6.5 No. I misheard. I bought the m855a1 projectiles, not the m995 projectiles. My bad.

[@Chabrinklo6.5]

@@thelittledetailscr7231 Okay, that makes more sense lol. I was worried for the well being of your barrel

[@robertpalmer7693]

Can you suggest a great helmet please, I just watched the hike Pro helmet you tested that was supposed to be lvl 4 but couldn't take a 9mil. Also should I get the gel armour for behind my plate armour, is it worth it.

[@chrisgabbert658]

That mag deal is 😬 but he has plenty there disposable , one use .

[@MontanaWild78]

I know they are expensive but with how much you shoot crazy ammo you need a new Chrono that is more reliable like the Garmin or Caldwell Velociraptor

[@tufelhunden5795]

Speed is the winner. Crap guess I am buying that 6.5 by 300 Weatherby. 4200 fps with the right bullet. 😂

[@Adam-nv9zo]

I'd like to see a collab with you guys and Ballistic High Speed.

[@erlejomo]

and kentucky lol

[@GoingBallistic]

We’re trying

[@Allen338LM]

Scott from Kentucky Ballistics neck is itchy when y'all made this videa

[@mattus1gig]

Punching holes and kicking mags! 👍

[@TheCraigy83]

pull a vacuum round something that's already fast ( 32gr .204 ruger ) see if you can punch through a vest .

[@ammohoarder]

Them SLAPs are fckn amazing! I would sure like to find some of them. What barrel length on yall's .308?

[@GoingBallistic]

16

[@grumpyoldstudios]

F = ma This is why the bigger round did more damage. Speed is not all the equation. I have boxes and boxes of 30-30 accelerators. 55 grain in a 30-30

[@GoingBallistic]

But they are not AP rounds just soft lead

[@ericvadekro8334]

👍👍👍

[@robertthomas7051]

I've got some 55 grain 3006 shell they're very fast

[@earlalford7694]

I think you need 1 million subscribers keep your nose to the fire

[@user-XOMA7389]

can you please tell me how you make mock-ups of the jelly body that you shoot at

[@anaphylastiks]

Sabo into 54r? Be cool to see.