Goku Vs Andy | Could Goku Unalive Andy?

[@Ryusshorts]

the fact that andy can just believed that devine power or any soul manipulation could kill him is scary....

[@ebuzzy782]

but it could, so it can't, anymore atleast 💀

[@XennaShieldOP-pu6le]

RIP AKIRA TORIYAMA

[@elvirelucces2836]

Almost all soul base attacks are now useless because Andy can control his soul

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

12:52 Yoooooo the hype Israel! Thank you very much for working so hard!

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

You guys don’t deserve anything less! So let’s just hope everyone enjoys all the hype new content coming? And that we manage to blast past 1k sub before that deadline!

[@q_6s1m]

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[@joseguadalupemartineztorre9702]

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[@ThaddGEARZ]

As a correction, according to what I understand, if Andy perceives the destruction of the soul as a way he can die, even obliterating his soul won't kill him, as his soul and body will come back from actual nothing. To Andy as of now, souls are the source of life, so damaging his soul in any way will activate Undead. I personally don't think even Hakai would kill Andy if say he deems the technique as one that could kill him. As already mentioned, Undead adapts its healing to what the user sees as death, and what the user perceives as deadly. However, if you say that trapping Andy will make a win against him, the Mafuba is a good way to claim victory. You can't kill Andy, only seal him off.

[@joseguadalupemartineztorre9702]

With God Bind letting Goku come in close, using the Mafuba will be even easier. Roshi could probably even take Andy out too

[@Naniwa_Tiger]

Didnt andy escape the literal concept of sealing?

[@ThaddGEARZ]

@@Naniwa_Tiger I mean yes but it was because only his body was sealed but not his soul, IIRC. Not a DBZ fan so I'm not sure how the Mafuba can deal with this, but It's definitely still the best way to incapacitate Andy as far as I know.

[@orangejuice9636]

@@joseguadalupemartineztorre9702 but he would not be dead

[@Hiragisart]

Hakai works

[@phantom9831]

9:00 Maybe not Asta, since the negator ability isn't magic, spiritual energy or other form of supernatural energy. What could be interesting to see however is Andy vs Takato from instant death ability

[@Oldmeme592]

That's interesting.

[@rickbill06]

Takatou wins. His ability is not intant death, that's just what he says it is. He is the incarnation of the end he put end into things, when he "kills" someone he ends their story basically he ends everything about that person even their soul. There is nothing after for those Takato killed. Because of that he could easily end the negator ability with Andy altogether. Actually we haven't even see Takato with full power just after opening some single digits doors that sealed his ability he could end concepts like gravity or moment and that's just him in his human body.

[@phantom9831]

​@@rickbill06 Well...If he decides to kill his negator ability first, then I agree that he could then easily kill Andy, but if not, Andy will continue reviving, even if Takatou is ending his soul (a negator ability is by the way tied to their soul not their body), it will surely be seen as a form of death, meaning that Andy would negate it (ending Andy and undead altogether will have the same result), since a negator's ability depend on their understanding about the concept they negate, but also the way they see it, so personnally, I think it could extend even further than that (still, if Takatou starts by ending Undead, since there's nothing to prevent it, Andy would just become a mere human). I'm curious though, you said "some single digits doors" Does that mean that Takatou's seal has like dozen if not hundred of doors?

[@Ryusshorts]

@@rickbill06 well if he knew andy ability and concept maybe he could, but if he's not, and andy just believed that if his concept of negating death could be killed by this guy meaning his death, his undead ability could develop like crazy

[@rickbill06]

@@Ryusshorts he doesn't need to know that's the thing. He didn't know most people were immortal and he ended them with their immortality in the light novel he did worse.

[@ebuzzy782]

if Andy sees getting erased from existence as death (which he already should be) even hakai wouldnt kill him. he is the literal concept of not dying

[@kurokisaki2556]

That is ignoring the fact that it also depends on his soul. his interpretation of his ability is important but his negator ability is still a part of his soul so if he doesn't have a soul then he doesn't have undead so hakai bypasses undead entirely.

[@Hiragisart]

Exactly 😂 existence erasure isn't death

[@Hiragisart]

And if we're going with his ability only works when he believes something to be death then a strong telepath can completely override undead

[@ebuzzy782]

@@Hiragisart it is though-

[@ebuzzy782]

@@Hiragisart It's not only him believing it but if everyone believes it to be, if the thought of death exists he shall negate it, hence the name Undead, every iteration of death in every race, every religion, every fictional novel is negated

[@jamaicancloud]

I feel like the hakai may not work mainly due to the reasoning of as long as he sees it as a death it just doesn't effect him as it will negate the erasure of the soul itself. Now if hakai was capable of shutting off his conceptual undeath while it happens then that would be a different story.

[@rovite359]

Hakidoes just erase their soul. It erased their whole existence. Meaning that it's like you never existed

[@jamaicancloud]

@@rovite359 honestly if that were the case then people wouldn't know it happened. Which the show hasn't really showed that to be the case. In every instance hakai was used people who witnessed it know it happened meaning complete existence erasure isn't what's going on.

[@Samurai_Capcut]

Hakai is a conceptual based erasure since it erases your body and soul from the entire timeline and it's already known that if you can erase his soul then you can kill him, even ki operates on a spiritual level and can go even beyond that since ki exists in higher planes of existence.

[@jamaicancloud]

@@Samurai_Capcut I would say zeno's erase is a conceptual ability, but not hakai. And it only erases the body and soul from existence, don't know where people keep getting this timeline thing cause nothing in the manga, anime or daizenshuu state this. However, yes andy's abilities work as so, but if erasing him and his soul is a form of death in his eyes it would potentially be negated because it would break the law of the world.

[@Samurai_Capcut]

@@jamaicancloud idk where you got that "nothing in the manga or daizenshu" because it was stated in the anime which is a form of canon that "it erases you from all timelines" which im pretty sure it was Beerus who said this. Even arale a literally toon force user had no effect on beerus whatsoever.

[@yusaki8064]

The way I understand Undead, Andy seems to see his soul being destroyed as a form of dying, so he can regenerate his soul. I genuinely don’t even think the ability to erase his soul from existence would be enough to kill him, he’d still just come back. However, based on the plot of the series, if you can kill Sun in Undead Unluck you can remove everyone’s negation and then kill Andy. And whilst we don’t yet know the full abilities of Sun, I think it’s entirely possible and likely that Goku could kill them. Then Andy is just a fairly regular person by anime standards that Goku could kill. So I agree with your answer, but would suggest a different method.

[@LordTyph]

And in that case, you could just let old age kill him.

[@RobbertRobbert12345]

It's hard to argue that he can just regenerate his soul and existence across all of reality from nothing without breaching NFL territory.

[@LordTyph]

@@RobbertRobbert12345 NFL?

[@yusaki8064]

@@RobbertRobbert12345 What does the NFL have to do with Andy?

[@Naniwa_Tiger]

​@@RobbertRobbert12345he regenerated his body from nothing, and now he has an understanding of the soul, i don't see why the soul sould be any different

[@Rose_Scales]

W video keep up the great work!!

[@samuelellis7991]

The thing about Andy isn’t his regeneration he’s immortality is a “Law of reality”

[@limptoast]

And how many laws has Goku broken. Gag manga characters exist in dragon ball so laws mean nothing.

[@yeikelamores6085]

And Goku is above reality, so I don't know what you're trying to say here.

[@Oldmeme592]

What the hell are these 2 talking about?

[@Oldmeme592]

​@@limptoastGoku isn't a gag character.

[@yeikelamores6085]

@@Oldmeme592 Goku is not a Gag character, but he can fight them

[@djdidit445]

Wait a minute. The definition of immortality is not dying or living forever. immortality is immortality no matter how That person is immortal. And There's more than one type of immortality. not trying to be that person but they kind of ignore that fact.

[@soomitsunami5936]

Andy’s immortality is the concept of dying if someone try’s to erase him depending on his conception of the erasure it will revive him no matter what

[@Hiragisart]

It's like you don't understand the concept of existence erasure

[@phantom9831]

The only way to win against Andy is to seal him. Since Goku knows mafuba, it won't be that hard for him, however, no matter what he would try, nothing, absolutely nothing would kill Andy

[@furionmax7824]

The very literal embodiment of dealing couldn't contain him so that's a no. But in Uma Seals defense. He never should've captured UnHealth bc that's what cracked his armor in the first place.

[@phantom9831]

@@furionmax7824 Yeah right, I wasn't up to date when I wrote this

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

​@@furionmax7824thats because seal wasn't aware of astral proyection

[@axelvaughn9625]

Naruto and ichigo aren’t killing Andy, Andy literally matched the concept of the soul which would embody all life in the universe. And plus undead would negate the destruction of his soul

[@halojeff15]

congratulations on the 600 subs bro , been a journey and more to come.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Sorry that it took so long to get back to this man, just been busy with the new vid. Thanks for the comment, and I'm glad you've stuck around for the ride! Hope we can keep you around, for a long time!

[@cjcj4861]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYhe andy destroys Goku I heard of this anime

[@cjcj4861]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYI hate this damn channel the level of Dragon Ball bias what you're throwing out is insane this dude is simply a mortal they don't call him Undead for nothing how is Goku going to kill someone like me

[@cjcj4861]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYthere's nothing else you can do against Andy

[@cjcj4861]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYGoku stands no chance against Andy why can't you just end the video with that instead of dumb power scaling when you already know who's the Victor is I cannot stand you guys when you make these biased videos siding with Goku against characters that you know he can't beat

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

Yeah, I'm pretty confident Hakai would kill him. If Goku can't destroy his unbreakable sword while his soul is imbued into it, then Andy lives.

[@chiaki.hayakawa18]

Goku can't use Hakai

[@Samurai_Capcut]

​@@chiaki.hayakawa18he used it against zamasu try again.

[@DulioMulio]

​@@chiaki.hayakawa18 In the manga, Goku used Hakai against Zamasu. Anime and manga = canon.

[@jhevgainz2307]

Hakai doesn’t kill you on a conceptual level so, no it wouldn’t

[@Samurai_Capcut]

@@jhevgainz2307 you didn't process anything in the video did you

[@ilikevintagetoys2100]

Not matter what you do Andy won’t die he is immune to death in any form that he feels may kill him since his interpretation can change if he thought that goku could kill him since a punch would obliterate his body would he not think that anything goku can do would kill him? If the card in Andy’s head is removed for a certain amount of time Viktor comes out who has much better regeneration and has been alive for nearly 500 billion years most of that time he sat on the sun. Viktor is a better version of Andy so he would definitely survive anything goku could throw at him. Things that may have killed Andy Viktor can easily regenerate from without a second thought so he should survive haki and definitely the spirit bomb. Plus Andy beat the guy who negates the concept of repairing so goku should not be able to do anything. The power of Andy’s soul is ridiculous he is currently holding back the ten master rules with just his soul including death, soul, luck, change, war who are the literal embodiments of those concepts with just his soul. His soul is more powerful than the concept of souls so he should resist haki

[@ilikevintagetoys2100]

The further elaborate Andy’s/Viktor’s power is not regeneration its being unable to die he can completely regenerate his body and soul from nothing so haki would stop him for a while. Even if haki did kill Andy Viktor would know it could kill him and be able to eventually recover

[@bread5049]

Also let's not forget spirit bomb would most likely do the least amount of damage to andy or even viktor cause spirit bomb deals more damage the more evil you are and both of them aren't that bad especially andy

[@ebuzzy782]

the way you explained the negator ability was fine, but you gotta see that Undead doesn't only negate dying, We see that Un-Fair uses un-dead to fix the broken legs from stopping the Un-Stoppable, A broken leg doesn't always result in certain death, but he healed just fine

[@kenma_sets2728]

I think this is a big stretch on manga goku being able to kill andy cuz you say he’s not immortal. Even if its bc of an ability thats how immortality works, he’s also stated to be immortal

[@RobbertRobbert12345]

Zamasu is immortal and Goku almost erased him with hakai in the manga. The only reason he didn't get erased is because he pulled Mai out of a portal in front of him last second to save himself, forcing Goku to stop before he erased Mai too.

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

​@@RobbertRobbert12345 beerus stated that they cant kill a true inmortal with hakai so they use sealing

[@Re_Zero_Fan_Edits]

Could you do yogiri takatou from instant death versus kumagawa misogi from medoka box?

[@apocrypha5062]

Can you do these matchup analysis? Yuji vs Gabimaru from Hell's Paradise Mahoraga vs Zagred from Black Clover Sukuna vs Jack from Black Clover Naobito vs Tenya from MHA Jogo vs Dabi from MHA

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

We actually already did a short featuring Yuji Vs Gabimaru, if you’re curious! kzbin.infoB99H244Bhr0?si=HunbTtvf6vrgdV7m As for the others? I’m definitely not against the idea! I’ve even thought about doing a series of live streams for topics like this. But if you’re just curious about the winners? Feel free to let me know, and I’ll just tell you who I think wins- before any videos get made.

[@apocrypha5062]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Oh I see, thanks for knowing. Okay

[@ebuzzy782]

the only physical way to beat andy is concept manipulation, but if a character has that kind of haxx, there's no point putting them up against anybody

[@kingme1313]

no, Goku cannot kill andy as andy cannot die. It's because Andy can live in the vacuum of space, and completely erasing him with an attack which will kill him .... until he regenerates

[@RobbertRobbert12345]

How do you come back from having your entire existence and soul erased across all realities? That's a major no limits fallacy. It's not just killing him. It's literally deleting him like a file on a computer as well as any backups that exist, except he doesn't go in the bin. He's just gone instantly. Goku almost did this to Zamasu who is multiversal durability wise, or universal+ at a massive lowball. Goku using hakai on Andy would erase him immediately before he could even interpret what was happening.

[@kingme1313]

@@RobbertRobbert12345 I'm not caught up to super, but the entire thing is that Andy's very existence is tied with his soul. While we haven't seen him take any soul damage, we have seen him tango with the rule soul in a fight. As long as it kills andy, he will return, first by his soul, and then by his body.

[@limbo9993]

MONTH OF THE ALMIGHTY I’M HYPEEE! Congrats on 600 subs, you’ve earned it! But yep, this is pretty accurate. Movie and Anime Goku don’t really have any soul destroying attacks, well, unless you think them being able to destroy other world means they can obliterate souls. But Manga Goku is much more clear cut, one Hakai and it’s gg. But yeah, even without the Hakai, Anime and Manga Goku win via punching Andy into another universe or kicking him into a black hole lol. But can he beat Goku tho? No, no he cannot. This next challenger though, this will be much more interesting…

[@locar99]

Goku is faster and stronger than Andy but the ability to negate dead is just to OP

[@Kanyes-alt]

Can you do a video on kaiju no 8 vs taiyo or Kafka kaiju no 8 vs taiyo

[@kanemccarthy1979]

Considering that the abilities work on what negators believe I really doubt Hakai would kill him

[@theauditor3224]

Dimensionality

[@slayerscorpmurichirobest-wq6fn]

U know the halal attacks the soul and dura negs right ?

[@kanemccarthy1979]

@@slayerscorpmurichirobest-wq6fn doesn't work on immortals. Andy tanks it. Even if you wanna try argue that Andy isn't immortal which is just stupid semantics, if he perceives it as something that can kill him by the method you're arguing it can then that will be negated

[@slayerscorpmurichirobest-wq6fn]

@@kanemccarthy1979 Andy is not an immortal number 1 number 2 he regenerates from the soul and hakai attacks the soul

[@kanemccarthy1979]

@@slayerscorpmurichirobest-wq6fn yes he is. It's impossible for him to die. That is immortality. Negator abilities are based on the concept of perception. If Andy perceives an attack to his soul as something that will kill him then his soul won't be destroyed

[@AtenSol12]

By rules/laws of the movies, anime, and manga - beerus and goku were gonna outright reduce all of universe 7 macrocosm into nothing. This included the afterlife. So conventionally yes ge can outright destroy souls via raw destructive power. So i agree that normally you wouldnt consider that, if we are considering the fact that he can shatter a universal system by clashing fists, then he should be capable normally to wipe andy. So as a strict ability with that power yea manga goku is the one. But just considering EVERYTHING in universe 7 was going to go, you could say all continuities stemming from that beerus fight have that ability later down the line.

[@jermonipearce7208]

Do 682 vs Andy pls make this famous

[@lifeisfake8626]

Even if goku can’t kill Andy Andy can NOT harm goku

[@lordtoomas]

Then again, He could just keep fighting until Goku dies from old age, even if it takes a while. He's been sitting on the sun for billions of years in the manga

[@LordTyph]

I will answer this question now: No. It is all but impossible for Andy to die, especially as his definition of dying is 'being forgotten'. Not only that, as souls are where a negator's power is housed, his soul would likely regenerate from anything, even something like Hakai (as it has been resisted and deflected). You bring up that his healing still has limits... but the moments you bring up in part have to do with Andy being limited by his perceptions. His head, for instance, was where his regeneration used to start since he thought that you died when your head was destroyed... until he discarded that idea, thus being able to regenerate from any part of his body. A Negator's power does not follow any proper logic, simply the perceptions of its user. Plus, the guy has fought for millennia against the UMA of Souls, among others, for millions of years, can weaponize his own soul, and was noted by UMA Soul himself to be impressive in that regard, even without being Unsoul. I don't think that you could kill him by damaging his soul unless it was an instantaneous thing (and that's a huge maybe), and even then you'd have to make sure you got EVERY BIT. As UMA Seal can tell you, Andy can decide what part of his body contains his 'core', meaning you couldn't miss anything. In short, just use the Mafuba... if Goku even wanted to kill Andy in the first place. I think he'd be more likely to pitch in and help fight the UMA.

[@MCNinjaDJ]

Ceasing to exist is a form of death... That's the problem. To actually destroy Andy you can't merely destroy his soul since his ability doesn't stem from the soul itself so much as it stems from the fundamental concepts of the universe. So long as the concept of death remains, he cannot die. So long as he perceives the destruction of his soul as death, his soul fundamentally cannot be destroyed.

[@Chaotic_by_Choice]

Amazing video but I think there are 2 ways Andy could survive the Hakai 1. Been a while since I've read the manga but didn't Goku fail using the Hakai and if he did I don't think we can say for certain that he can use it correctly, but I might be wrong so please correct me if I am 2. If Andy sees the Hakai as a way to kill him, I think his undead could kick in

[@sharkenjoyer]

How are people saying that hakai will kill andy? Hakai is like insta deleting someone from existence this is *totally* killing someone lol

[@Kikikikenokeno]

Erasing from existence completely Not killing lol It's fiction

[@sharkenjoyer]

@@Kikikikenokeno it's fiction and so what? Is all discourse forbidden because it's fiction?

[@romanratliff8818]

I’ve been here for a solid bit, I was wondering if you are aware of 7DS aka NNT scaling and could maybe do something like Meliodas vs the big 3 😶 Or maybe magic trio (Meliodas, Natsu, Asta) vs Big 3 Anything works really

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

@romanratliff8818 I do actually know quite a bit about NNT, Fairy Tail, and Black Clover scaling! And we've already had a few videos in the works for Black Clover and Fairy Tail specifically. But as for Meliodas Vs The Big 3, or Magic trio Vs Big 3? As soon as Meliodas dips back into the hype cycle with the release of 4KoTA anime? Or, just generally if the magic trio picks up a bit more popularity as a group. I'd love to cover those specific matchups. Since tbh, Mel is basically what would happen if you made Yhwach the protagonist of your series. Which makes him really fun to talk about. Thanks for your suggestion regardless though, and I hope you enjoy what we've got coming up, in the next few weeks!

[@kanemccarthy1979]

Natsu dog walks the whole big 3 tbh that's not a fair match

[@romanratliff8818]

@@kanemccarthy1979 I haven’t heard an argument I personally agree with that puts him significantly higher than Naruto, let alone Ichigo

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

@Kanemccarthy1979 Natsu definitely doesn’t dog walk the Big 3. As someone who was spent the last two months looking over all the high end scales, because people are still mad at our Kaido Vs Acno vid Lol. I can promise, any kind of highball/outlier Natsu has? Ichigo/Naruto have one, that goes just as hard (while being more consistent, at that.) Still, I’d love to have FT back on the channel again. Since it’s a super fun series.

[@kanemccarthy1979]

@@romanratliff8818 he burned through time. He's easily above them both

[@andypoppey5243]

LETS DO IT KAKAROT!!!! I'm ready when you are

[@lssjgoku]

Bro forgot about the zeno button in the anime 😂

[@phantom9831]

Even that won't work since Andy's mind would see this as death, negating it once again

[@BootyAndFries]

​@@phantom9831lol

[@theauditor3224]

imma just say one word Dimensionality

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

Chicken soup

[@theauditor3224]

@@endikaaspeurrutia1013 thats two

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

@@theauditor3224 Chickensoup

[@theauditor3224]

@@endikaaspeurrutia1013 my god..

[@greenx3520]

What is Andy doing when someone destroys the planet?

[@oneesanamv1025]

Nothing, it won't affect him tho

[@dummybois]

now here's the funny part, why not bring manga andy while bringing manga goku 💀

[@Russell-vq6ux]

Buddy survived getting deleted

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

Same result

[@that1nigel675]

Andy is un effected by universial erasure not even hakai could kill him. I think Andy would win as he can attack the soul, and goku cant defend attacks that hit his soul. Undead adapts to what the user thinks is deadly, so if andy thinks that he will die if he is erasured it, Undead will adapt so that erasure cant even kill him

[@NinjaStar_Z]

If Goku uses Mafuba, then that’s one easy way to get rid of him

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

Yes, at least for a long time

[@CERISTHEDEV]

Ok lets be honest To everyone that says andy can survive a hakai He would not be able to understand what a hakai is due to the shear speed difference between the two And if he cant perceive something being a death sentence then he would not be able to not-die form that

[@speedbeyondlogic]

Hakai. Mafuba and maybe the sb.

[@phantom9831]

Hakai may not work, Mafuba however... (Since Andy would see this as a form of death, then it won't work, since negator abitilies work on the perception)

[@RoyalRex10]

Couldn't soul breaker work?

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I don’t really know if it’s ever been given a full explanation, since it’s only featured in the non-canon fusion reborn film. But in the movie? It only purified the target (as far as I remember) so I’d say no.

[@RoyalRex10]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY oh thanks for the explanation

[@potatosalad3655]

Hakai can definitely erase him considering berrus was about to erase arale who's a gag character that uses toonforce and can literally interact with the writer and manga

[@Omni-Limited]

Can’t Goku just Hakai him or Use Spirit Bomb

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Hakai would work. Spirit bomb? Maybe not. It’s kind of contentious there.

[@Omni-Limited]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Alr idk I need to do more research but from Earlier adaptations it was shown to hurt anyone with even a drop of evil and attacks that which is in their soul from what I understand

[@bread5049]

@@Omni-Limited And have you seen andy? He's pretty good person

[@Omni-Limited]

@@bread5049 doesn’t matter you have to be pure of heart

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

​@@Omni-Limited he has it

[@blitzmystix6483]

Andy is basically Majin buu

[@BootyAndFries]

Don't.

[@AlexB.778]

If this attack could kill Andy it would be negated

[@dead.end_victhor.1865]

Anybody that knows what Undead (not Andy but Undead) as a whole is capable of we know that Undead would get hit by hakai, and it's not because of Andy.

[@TheGoat-l4o]

Just tell Andy he can't die because his ability so nothing would be able to kill him

[@Mr.アニメbrother]

How about Andy vs saitama🥴

[@bakpawbulat7516]

ok, if you bring up manga goku then its should be fair to bring up manga andy cuz manga andy is far FAR stronger then his anime counter part. Like he stops 10 master umas which is the strongest existence under god and luna in undead unluck universe by himself while sitting on the sun geting burn 24/7 with 5,600 Celsius or 10.000 Fahrenheit and still shoot five of his finger to the earth with pinpoint acuracy to inform fuuko about the other negators location (undead unluck cahpter 187). im not saying andy can beat goku its just that you kinda downplay andy.

[@KuroiRenge]

Uh, what's an airport, again?

[@TheGodofDarkness]

can Girno golden experience recuim or dio over heaven kill andy ?

[@KingoftheLions-z87]

yes and pretty easily

[@yeikelamores6085]

Giorno?No, Dió OH?yes

[@thefarmer6541]

Neither can but both can neautralize him

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

Nope

[@christopherlake9667]

It is unstoppable force versus an immovable object In this case goku is immovable object and andy is the unstoppable force. Goku can either seal him or straight up defeat hin until he can't get up ( without killing him) Andy case - he must tried to see if he can catch goku off guard in order to defeat him.

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Ok here's a thing hakai can erase immortals also but not higher tier immortality then himself . Cause immortality have it's own variation and dimensionality. So a higher dimension immortal can survive hakai especially if he doesn't have a body . Zamasu wished for immortality from super shenron a higher authority then beerus. That's why he can't be erased by hakai . But fused zamasu has Goku's body so it's body got a loophole in immortality but soul doesn't had any loop hole. And andy indestructible sword is completely fooder to current turns tri beam. While tournament of power is made from kaitin which has description of indestructible metal in db. And in top tien tri beam damaged that floor COMPLETELY.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

This comment is actually pretty accurate, I just didn't have a lot of time to go over this specific topic in the video. But yes, Zamasu (and likely any DBZ immortal) is a higher tier immortal, because he has a soul that can't be destroyed either. We see this on full display when his very being/existence fuses with the universe- after his body and soul were permanently damaged by Trunks. So, if Beerus used Hakai on an immortal like Ban (from 7DS) then it would work just fine- since Ban just has an immortal body. Not soul. This logic can thusly be applied across fiction, based on the "tier" of immortality present in the verse. As for Andy's sword though? It should actually be far above kachi katchin. Since kachi katchin isn't actually indestructible, it's just the hardest material known in the DBS lore. Andy's sword in comparison, is straight up indestructible on a conceptual level- so Goku might need Hakai for that as well (though you could argue Goku has physically surpassed the concept of 3D indestructibility, if you think that's more reasonable.)

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Goku's ki far Surpassed conceptual power's star dust is a conceptual lvl attack .(it's gogeta attack ) Same goes to spirit bomb . These two works on concept of purity means it destroys evil and malice and doesn't harm the good while Spirit bomb is a weaker version and star dust uses that concept properly. And beerus hakai is no joke it can erase gag charecter's that can see db world as fiction goes out of manga panel talks with tori bot etc. I am talking about arale. And here's a thing if we dividing or giving dimension tier based on math Like 3 d and time is 4d . Or string theory which contain 4 dimension , 4 temporal dimension and same way for universe. Goku ki alone scale way higher. Cause db afterlife is a Transcending non temporal realm . Non temporal is the league where it's transcend and EXIST independent from temporal dimension's . Time is also a temporal dimension . Platonic concept, abstract concept are above temporal dimension's but connected with it. And Goku's ki shaked whole macrocasm structure which contains two non temporal realm. And the nullified punches are enough to destroy living world which is universe in db. But Goku don't have unlimited supply of it he have access to it for at best half an hour . After that he will be so exhausted that anyone can kill him easily .

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY and even if you're body is immortal but soul doesn't hakai can work there also .

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY oh and also if you're going to find db afterlife non temporal existence you will not find . I gave db afterlife non temporal realm status . Due to following reason 1. Afterlife is completely independent of space and time and worldly affairs . Which is non temporal means. And it fit alongside Japanese and Chinese myth which db is based on . 2. A blog on or you can say a post on reddit months ago where that guy gathered all translation of after life Original translation, machine one's , translations created by native Japanese pepoles and one thing is common in most of the translation afterlife is a complete independent dimension and complete in itself . And both these points fits the narrative of non temporal existence . Have a good night 😴😴

[@apocrypha5062]

Goku wins for sure, because he can't touch Goku, too fast. UI mode is 100% dodging.

[@kanemccarthy1979]

Ultra instinct isn't different from any other transformation. It's been tagged by like every opponent he's had since he's got it

[@MoonL1ghtz]

Andy doesnt win but he doesnt loose either, it'll be match of eternity until goki literally dies of old age

[@KingoftheLions-z87]

@@kanemccarthy1979 One word. Dimensionality

[@lucasveley5400]

Super late but as the other commenter said, there's no shot in hell Andy ever lands a hit. That wouldn't even be close. What would probably happen is he just survives until goku dies of old age. Keep in mind, Andy has survived the universe restarting several times. Whereas saiyans do actually age

[@Skkia]

goku can definitely afftect soul as his power reaches higher plan of existence shown in both dbz goku ki reaching kaioshin realm and dbs goku going to erase universe 7 into nothingness so yeah andy aint recovering from goku punches

[@MoonL1ghtz]

Andy is older than universe itself as we know his real identity is author and author has lived before existence of universe, he was there from the big bag so he had lived through any cosmical explosions. His power is literally no death no damage.😊

[@KingoftheLions-z87]

​@@MoonL1ghtzwtf are you yapping about. You jsut used NLF

[@yeikelamores6085]

​@@MoonL1ghtzNothing you said is remotely comparable to Goku

[@KingoftheLions-z87]

I'm convinced andy fans didn't read dr.slump or Dragon quest or play dragon quest video games 😂

[@xXIdk_Xx6]

When he means undead he means not even if you erase the universe he will be there cuz of immortality he has lived throught 500billion years and hundreds of universes

[@xXIdk_Xx6]

I know both db and undead unluck i mean goku is the father of anime but tf is he gonna do when even when you erase everything even atoms and an idiot come back and has a god inside of him

[@phantom9831]

I played all Dragon quest video games (except DQ X because localised in japan and no way to play it and understand it yet), and still Andy would survive

[@lxfj2128]

One hakai and its over

[@phantom9831]

not at all, the moment Andy's mind would perceive it as death, he would undie himself

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

Dont mess with dragon ball fans, they didn't watch the show

[@greasedood7263]

Spirit bomb would take him out completely prolly

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

Spirit bomb only works on evil

[@servedbot7377]

Yeah, goku can swnd him to a star and let it erase him

[@MoonL1ghtz]

The problem is that , even star cant kill andy

[@randomanimator6289]

gojo vs invincible

[@foldeddino9602]

So mahito could just *plop*

[@oneesanamv1025]

Nope

[@mrmcmuffinjamjames3410]

super dragon balls?

[@snipersougo13]

Andy wins eventually

[@Direct0.6]

No he doesn't, Hakai can erase the opponent at history level from every timeline, even his undead neagating death rules won't save him

[@oneesanamv1025]

​@@Direct0.6it would if he view it as death

[@daylannorman]

Goku can kill Andy because he used hakia in the manga

[@phantom9831]

well yes, but it doesn't work on immortals, and...Andy would undie himself because he'll see this as dying

[@yobrox319]

????did you wach dragonball super if you did you should know the zamasue is immortal and he used it against him

[@phantom9831]

@@yobrox319 I did watch DBS, and it was confirmed that Hakai can't kill an immortal.

[@thefarmer6541]

​@@yobrox319zamasu wasn't immortal then

[@yobrox319]

@@thefarmer6541 5 months

[@jvo6ixgod269]

hakai.

[@endikaaspeurrutia1013]

Doesn't work on inmortals