Goku VS Gohan | Top 10 Strongest Ranked

In this video, I go over Dragon Ball Super Chapter 103, which features Gohan Beast finally facing off against Ultra Instinct Goku, Broly, and even Vegeta to answer all our questions. I also go over the current Top 10 in Dragon Ball Super Universe 7 at the moment and my general thoughts on everything, including lore of Ultra Instinct, how Ultra Instinct Susanoo works, and even Broly and Orange Piccolo VS Cell Max. Also clarifying many things about guidebook lore that you may not be familiar with. Enjoy!
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[@SethYouTuber]

this video was weirdly considered click bait by the youtube algorithm due to its watch time (it's half as long as the other videos I uploaded)

[@thekokushidaiki]

You should do a video about your thoughts on the writing itself. It could be about dragon ball or other media you power scale!

[@CringeGamingOG]

@@thekokushidaikithat’s actually not a bad idea. It’s pretty on brand too so it wouldn’t be a departure from the norm.

[@samurailioncub]

@@CringeGamingOGI second that.

[@rae5057]

Can u do current goten and trunks vs universe 6 sayians

[@na5567]

Put this on your main channel, just add a section to pad time, itll do numbers this was good.

[@meowskiss4475]

Uub is gonna end up being stronger then all of them

[@NAGIxCODM]

Not so sure about that

[@StevenJones851]

Unfortunately i doubt that

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

The wild part about Beast Gohan is that he says how he has a breaking point where he HAS to stop powering up or he'd go berserk and lose control. That 'wild burst' was the only way he could increase his speed enough to finally land a hit on MUI Goku. Makes you wonder how much more powerful he'd become if he went full on Beast mode, but of course he'd lose a bit of control in the process though.

[@StevenJones851]

He's gonna train with Piccolo more to master the form

[@kindalucky]

Broly isn't even in his best form right now.

[@Slyrock-1000]

Yes he is. The controlled version is stronger than his rampage one

[@CupidSmurf657]

Dude that controlled Ssj is better than his out of control ssj if he went LSSJ he wouldn't be able to control it but he would still be much stronger same as Gohan with his rampage mode of beast​@@Slyrock-1000

[@andygamboa7299]

That all you got from the video 😮

[@andygamboa7299]

5:49 @kindalucky

[@zetset8098]

Both Gohan and Broly are stronger when angry.

[@porungadaddy9053]

I hope Piccolo’s stamina gets such a mighty amp he makes Freeza black shit bricks

[@StevenJones851]

He got 2 New Forms so he got a huge increase in Power Strength and Stamina

[@kreativegalaxy]

Seth the pro gamer at it again with a banger (I know it’s a reupload “

[@timdoe8895]

It is?

[@Ichigo4girls]

Keep up consistency

[@rae5057]

goten and trunks vs universe 6 saiyans would be a amazing video, specially when u consider how strong a current gotenks would be, he could probably beat kefla

[@payrollrio]

Can’t wait to create this battle in Sparking Zero! 🔥

[@user-zf6ne9on6k]

The thing is goku never once confirmed he was using full power in that chapter and it’s also in character for goku to hold back against ppl when he’s just gauging power. And The fact that he was more interested in seeing gohan fight broly than finishing the fight with gohan let’s me know that he holding back cuz goku is obsessed with fighting ppl he thinks are stronger than him. I think this chapter was just to confirm that gohan has crazy potential but hasn’t quite reached it yet

[@Vindication1134]

The dragon ball official site says they were both using their full power

[@user-zf6ne9on6k]

@@Vindication1134 but it doesn’t match what’s shown in the chapter because only one of them announced going full strength and only one of them was trying to win

[@padraig-bobotia-maria5176]

goku never once confirmed he was holding back, that means gohan is stronger than whis as goku was more excited to fight gohan.

[@Vindication1134]

@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 What? Nobody is stronger than Whis or even Beerus lmao. Goku already knows Whis far outclasses him. He had no idea how Gohan measures up to him until he started fighting him.

[@padraig-bobotia-maria5176]

@@Vindication1134 going by how excited goku was by beast compared to whis.

[@soloooaj]

Love the gohan glaze

[@dahman7271]

When will you upload on your main channel? Love you btw!

[@je5647]

This is his main ever since the allegations

[@beandaddytv4851]

Idk how I’m always first to watch your videos but I never catch the live streams. Been this way for years :(

[@theytkjaper9668]

Man I hope they make this stuff anime before elder scrolls 6 comes out.

[@timdoe8895]

List seems perfect

[@Aislinsweetdreams]

Re-upload?

[@Izadirad1995]

Idk if dead characters should count. And I’m more interested in universe 7 specifically. Also is granolah dead? How long was this time skip ?

[@itsyaboi8645]

I think goku is a bit stronger than gohan cuz he casually yeeted him back with one arm when he decided to end the fight and he also didn’t confirm that gohan was stronger or surpassed him like he usually does. Then vegeta only went blue against gohan after witnessing his strength and you know vegeta usually goes full power right off the bat.

[@hocctbm132]

Itvs just kai. Mean abdolutly nothing. Even shin was abke to fo it to Buu who has way stronger. And Gohan is not even full beast berserker

[@itsyaboi8645]

@@hocctbm132 it does mean something cuz goku found an opening and could have hit him with something like a blast. Goku also wasn’t even paying attention to gohan while fighting which he always does if he knows his opponent is stronger

[@Slyrock-1000]

​​@itsyaboi8645 Gohan knocked him out of UI Goku pushing him back is nowhere near as impressive because he never ONCE damaged Gohan that whole fight. Also by your logic base Goten and Trunks are stronger than Broly because they fought him in base lol that battle royal is a gag moment nothing more

[@itsyaboi8645]

@@Slyrock-1000 gohan knockin a suppressed goku out of ui is not impressive and goku didn’t take damage from that either even tho gohan is actually using full power if anything it was the shock that knocked him out

[@Slyrock-1000]

@@itsyaboi8645 Goku was not fucking suppressed they already confirmed that. You just don't like it but oh well

[@itsyaboi8645]

Also broly is just in his ssj form not at max power when he fights gohan we also have to realize broly hasn’t even got proper training yet he’s doing everything on instinct so I don’t think we can say gohan is stronger off of that lil scuffle but he is definitely more experienced and skilled.

[@jojosismaximoses2962]

is this a reupload??😭😭

[@NerdyTech12]

Ngl I would put someone like jiren above gas just from pure hacks and skill (hypothetical still training jiren) but this is a solid basically perfect top 10

[@takathousandbirds]

I did not know majin vegeta was a potential unlocked

[@zetset8098]

Babidi unlocking power not giving power from nowhere. He is not Toronbo.

[@IIIISai]

W

[@VonKappallot]

barring the gods and being above them, My top 10 are Black Frieza, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta Broly, Piccolo, Gamma 1, Android 17, Goten, Trunks

[@Lulkxde]

So we got a good and evil Broly

[@unclephillymya]

Vegeta really was shitting himself 😭😭💀

[@lyme1030]

11th is Krillin because he adapts to the main casts power like mahoraga

[@Corncake1337]

I thought this video was on par with the main channels one, so it's a shame KZbin cucked it

[@jaysonmanman]

Protect Lord Beerus' supremacy at all cost!!!

[@ACTS-1631]

Jesus loves you Seth, cast all your burdens on him and have faith♥️✝️ 1 Corinthians 15 1-4

[@raccoonmaster3681]

seth why actually is full power broly in the cell max arc stronger than perfect cell max?

[@CoolOkay_]

Because Toriyama said so.

[@raccoonmaster3681]

@@CoolOkay_ thats not an answer I need an answer

[@CoolOkay_]

@@raccoonmaster3681 If Toriyama himself doesn't matter, then whatever your standard for an answer is invalid.

[@raccoonmaster3681]

@@CoolOkay_ that's not an answer that's word vomit that's not an cognitive answer there has to be an argument you can just jerk the author without trying to show what they said. Here's you "because the author said so I'm not gonna prove it or show any link to the statement it's because the author said so so I don't actually need to use my brain" 🤦‍♂️

[@raccoonmaster3681]

@@CoolOkay_ toriyama also said goku was boundless and has infinite strength don't ask me for proof though you don't need any cos the author said so you wanting proof or an answer is invalid.

[@unclephillymya]

RIP Toriyama

[@isaiahmartinez9942]

Peak

[@zeke547]

No el hermano HM but good list otherwise.

[@solaire07]

I think Jiren would be stronger than black frieza, up there in the top 4 alongside vegeta, goku and gohan rage boost beast mode.

[@luciph]

If broly in the future after training and tapping into his literally beyond godly potential, its crazy to think hes 4. He shouldve scaled to Beerus after a time skip of training imo. They seemed to start him off with a massive bang then just decided he was the same power/weaker as goku and the crew? In one fight he got to fused goku/vegeta god levels of power. Which is supposed to be an exponential increase of both of them, right? My boi got shafted

[@sarexui634]

The reality is gogeta is so much weaker then vegito that MUI goku is probably relative to blue gogeta. So broly being that level is somewhat consistent.

[@itsyaboi8645]

@@sarexui634no

[@zetset8098]

The problem is people seeing word "strongest" same as "best" or "greatest" but it's not the same. Akira said Gohan is now the strongest and I think he is right cuz he was talking about raw power but not including experience, skills, UI dodges, the ability to control ki etc. But if we talking about who is the best/the greatest, we need including everything(experience, skills, raw power etc.). We don't know who is better in general. In chapter 103 it was sparing not real fight.

[@SirDJay]

Anyone knows why he isn’t uploading these on his main channel?

[@sarexui634]

He already did. These are all old reuploads. He literally explains why hes uploading them in the comments.

[@SirDJay]

@@sarexui634 clearly I didn’t see that which is why I just asked the fucking question 😂😂

[@sarexui634]

@@SirDJay it's the top comment buddy how about you try opening your eyes😂

[@SirDJay]

@@sarexui634how about it wasn’t pinned when I commented sassy mf 😂😂

[@sarexui634]

​@SirDJay A. It was, because the vid is 5 hours old and he pinned it when the video came out and B. Your comment is 3 hours old and C. There were only like 5 other comments when you commented, it would have been pretty hard to miss😅

[@jbriggs06]

I really feel like Piccolo was who trained Gohan so I honestly got him higher than 7. Considering he was on Gohan ass about slacking I definitely feel narratively he trained with him... I got Piccolo at 5 behind Goku.

[@da_hitmanhart6650]

Beerus Black frieza Broly Gohan Goku Vegeta Piccolo Cell max Gas Granola

[@rahulgomes1472]

Brolly is no way above gohan, he lacks training and experience like the rest, I think he's even below goku and Vegeta

[@da_hitmanhart6650]

@@rahulgomes1472 and that’s all fine because that’s what you *think* , what I think or better yet what is fact is that pound for pound Broly is the strongest Saiyan in raw power. He’s definitely above Gohan.

[@rahulgomes1472]

@@da_hitmanhart6650 true but he hasn't used his powers to full potential what's raw strength if you don't know how to use it in a fight he's still an ameture

[@da_hitmanhart6650]

@@rahulgomes1472 at this point in time Broly is progressing in how to use it so that point doesn’t apply anymore. None the less even without knowing how to use it he is STILL pound for pound the strongest Saiyan. I never said he’d win against a master martial artist, I said in regards to raw power Broly is *IT* hands down.

[@MarkTUsman96090]

Goku and vegeta will be the strongest again soon

[@grovy52]

They will probably not get something newer than UI and UE. Gohan and Broly still not have god ki, they have many things to learn. Goku and Vegeta are old, Broly also. So the future are Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, Trunks.

[@lordfifth3106]

I think its really obvious that Goku was either holding back or going to win the fight with Gohan, regardless of what the other source said. Narratively, Goku and Vegeta are probably on par, so if I were to put money on who would, Vegeta probably beats Gohan as well. Just to make sure, I went back and re read the fight with Gohan, Goku is paying attention to Broly during the Gohan fight. I got the impression that he could hit Gohan whenever he wanted based on the fact that he pushed Gohan as soon as he noticed Broly. Gohan also wasn't strong enough to take advantage of Goku not focusing soley on Gohan. If they were evenly matched, this should've been something Gohan could've taken advantage of. It's also Goku's nature to say when Gohan is stronger then him, which he did multiple times during the Cell arc. Vegeta wanting to fight Gohan can also be explained by the fact that he's fought Broly and Goku many times over (albeit not Broly in his new state). I don't think Vegeta has ever fought Gohan besides that one time on Planet Namek when he punched Gohan in the stomach. Vegeta gulping at Gohan's power was really weird despite the fact that he's never gulped at anyone else, including Black Frieza, who was capable of one shotting Vegeta (not something current Gohan could do). I think Vegeta was gulping at Gohan's potential. Gohan being able to generate that much power despite having trained for a lot less time then both Goku and Vegeta was what scared him. It's NEVER stated that Goku NEEDED to rest. Unless it was stated in the manga, it's also weird to assume that they all fell down at the same, I doubt any of the saiyans there would attack a downed opponent and it's just as likely that they went down one at a time. In fact, Goten and trunks join the fight cloud as well. Are we implying that they kept with all of the others, and just happened to become exhausted at the same time? Seems really unlikely that they all fell down at the same time.

[@latima123ify]

Nothing shows goku was holding back , the manga kind of went out of its way to say they weren't which is why it was such a surprise gohan was able to hit goku. But lets just say its true that Goku is stronger , the fact that the margin isn't bigger , especially since this is a form gohan just got and hasnt mastered tells us alot. Goku hasn't fully master his either but is leagues above where gohan is when it comes to mastery at this point.

[@lordfifth3106]

@@latima123ify The part of the fight that matters is after Gohan is no longer taking Goku by surprise. Goku is clearly dividing his attention during the fight, and lands a clean hit on Gohan when he wants to. I agree with the 2nd part of your comment, but I don't think I implied otherwise.

[@latima123ify]

@@lordfifth3106 the problem with the goku dividing his attention stance is that it literally happens once. its not like we are shown him constantly looking over to broly once the fight began , he notices broly and then immediately stops the fight. Nothing before that shows us that he was dividing his attention, since we had the characters essentially confirm that they were both going all out.

[@TrueReverse74]

​@@latima123ify Nothing shows? Goku says he's testing Gohan? Which means he isn't going for the win. Which then means he's holding back.

[@itsyaboi8645]

You are 100 percent correct on everything I think gohan fans want him to be the strongest badly because he’s getting more shine but that chapter doesn’t prove it.

[@filipcesnjak2944]

1. Zeno and Super Dragon; 2. Grand Priest; 3. Angels and Zeno Guards; 4. Beerus and Black Frieza; 5. Gass full power; 6. Gohan Beast and Goku MUI; 7. Vegeta UE, Granolah full power, Gogeta SSJ Blue, Vegeto SSJ Blue; 8. Broly controled SSJ; 9. Jiren; 10. Moro full power, Cell Max, Gods of Destruction.

[@IsaacJuelch-ei6dr]

Who let you cook moro is stronger than Jiren

[@IsaacJuelch-ei6dr]

And Gogeta and Vegito are weaker than Jiren

[@jpraise6771]

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[@The_Buff_Guy]

I think the fact that vegeta went in as SSjBE and not UE is enough info to say gohan is still much weaker than goku and vegeta when they’re actually trying. Your analysis is incorrect. Gohan is currently #2, Goku and Vegeta are tied for #1. As a matter of fact. My opinion, however, is Vegeta currently holds #1. He beat goku in a sparring match, UE seems more efficient overall than UI, he attacked beast gohan only needing his blue evolved form, and he absolutely bullied broly in their sparring match. No contest, UE Vegeta is above every mortal other than black frieza. ALL of the evidence we have from chapters 85 through 103 says Vegeta should be the strongest.

[@Slyrock-1000]

You are way off. By your logic that battle royal means base Goten and Trunks are stronger than Broly? No it doesn't. Gohan is the strongest at least physically that's the whole point and Goku was more experienced

[@zetset8098]

I think Goten not even using SSJ against Broly SSJ means Goten in SSJ should be stronger than UE Vegeta. But Gohan SSJ easily beat SSJ Goten and Trunks so that's means Gohan SSJ is much stronger than UE Vegeta and UI Goku. Gohan in Beast was just training his control ki, holding back. Base Gohan would be enough for SSJBE Vegeta. :clown_face:

[@AvatarTrev6]

Rock Lee Vs Momoshiki 👀. Base naruto with 50% of his chakra absorbed and base sasuke with 2/3 of his chakra were scrapping fused momoshiki. and The 4 kage were literally scrapping and sealed kinshiki.

[@AvatarTrev6]

Gaara and the Mizukage were able to hang with fused momo which is crazy. but i think Gaara Vs Hashirama would be a good fight , gaara has fought multiple otsosuki’s in boruto which i think are stronger then juubito & Hashirama check this. out

[@Slyrock-1000]

​@AvatarTrev6 they nowhere close was able to hang with Fused Momoshiki. They were literally one shotted lol what manga and anime did you read and watch

[@AvatarTrev6]

@@Slyrock-1000 yeah i can’t debate with somebody who think they 100% right 😂😂😂

[@Slyrock-1000]

@AvatarTrev6 no you can't debate with someone who is 100% right. Everyone can open the Manga and also watch the episode and see what happened. And they will Momkshiki no diffed all the Kage. The most Gaara did was grab Fused Momoshiki with sand and then Momoshiki one shotted him

[@AvatarTrev6]

@@Slyrock-1000 so what did the 4 kage do vs momo and kinishiki before they fused