Gold Plates Discovered in Saudi Arabia?!

[@jasonsellers56]

This type of levelheaded analysis is why I love listening to your musings each week. Thank you for this! 🙏

[@cboyack]

Thanks for listening

[@jeffreypacker8608]

Makes me wonder if we had the Gold Plates given back to us, would we be so skeptical of their providence?

[@clarestucki5151]

The word is 'provenance', not "providence"!!!

[@jeffreypacker8608]

Gotta love @@clarestucki5151 I couldn't remember the word.

[@jackallen5424]

We have very accurate ways to measure the historicity of artifacts. If we had them, we would know.

[@jeffreypacker8608]

@@jackallen5424 I'll take that as a 'yes'.

[@williamhaddock1838]

Initial skepticism is always warranted with any information you receive

[@harambeboy]

Unless it’s from the church

[@williamhaddock1838]

@@harambeboy Especially if is from a 'Spiritual leader'

[@kevinm9246]

​@@harambeboy That is a dangerous way to think.

[@Designer-Brandon]

Im not surprised that such "spiritually in-tuned" seers, revelators and prophets can be gullible enough to trust such people or govt even, without skepticism. Yes, we need to use our own discernment with confirmation from the Holy Ghost. Ppl lack discernment these days, even apostles.

[@bobmcconnel936]

I am grateful for the continued conversation. If you actually read all of D&C 46, there is great points to Connor's points here. Maybe read all of section 46 to learn better the gifts and that as in verse 30, "He that asketh in the Spirit asketh according to the will of God;" At some point this all works to God's will.

[@TayLybb]

Stay open to the idea that they may be original. In general we're too fast to highlight anything might remotely support our ideas and beliefs. It might be interesting, but the core of our testimony cannot be based on stuff like this.

[@GadreEl777]

Lol. This boy once received a new pair of shoes in a PlayStation box. He now sees life through that lens.

[@rickyde0255]

You are helping me to think more critically. Thank you.

[@JakobPGrau]

Connor, please do a similar musing on the Michigan tablets, which allegedly number on the thousands and were allegedly found in 27 different counties.

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

AND we each created by different authors. The Mystic Symbol is a book on the topic that is worth reading, imo.

[@ajadamsv9208]

Annoying. Sounds like these “gold plates” will go the way of the Kinderhook plates.

[@josephaney]

I do agree with what you are saying and I especially agree with what you said about leaders in the church being just as easily deceived as anybody else. We can be tricked and fooled by the experts and especially those in positions of Church leadership. I have had many very spiritual experiences and had many visions and revelations, and I have seen Jesus, heard his voice, felt his touch, but people in church leadership and my family do not believe me. It is like Jesus said, A prophet is not without honor except among his own country and kin. My country, which in this case is the church, and my family say that I am deceived. One leader in the church asked me if I might be deceived by the devil. I told him I would ask the Lord, who is my best friend if he is the devil. So I asked my Lord if he is the devil and he asked me, if I thought he was the devil. I told him , no. Then he asked me why I did not think he was the devil. I told him it was because of the love. I did not think the devil has power to forgive sins and with the him, I do not feel any fear. I only feel love coming from him and he forgave me of my sins. That is when the Lord taught me about being deceived. We are born into a world of lies and deceptions. The fact is that we are all deceived. The difference between me and others is that I am willing to admit that I am deceived. The degree to which we are deceived is in direct proportion to the our ignorance. When people tell me that I am deceived, I readily admit that I am still deceived by a great many things because it still do not know all truth, but I am a lot less deceived in matters of salvation than most people. There was a point in time that I had to weed through all the teachings of my life and determine how much of what I had been taught was true and how much was deception. In making that determination I asked God in the name of Jesus what was true and what is not true and in doing this I discovered many things that I was taught as a child and growing up in the church that are not true at all. One thing I know is true is that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God an that he sits in Heaven with Jesus and is still very much involved in church affairs. On the other hand, I know that the men in current leadership of the church are not just or sanctified men. I have learned that the leadership of the church has been taken over by a secret combination called the Jesuit-Illuminati. Beware of them. If they find out you are a true Christian, they will destroy you. Remember what Jesus said. "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing? They come to you looking good on the outside but are ravening wolves inside."

[@videographicmemory]

Connor Boyack just wants to take the joy out of everything 😛 thank you for another informative musing

[@jeremythompson7108]

Great take, thinking celestial requires actual thinking

[@l7846]

Rookie question. The pix, showing that imprint... isn't that a western 'book' style? Wouldn't it have opened from what we call the back of the front?

[@jasonsellers56]

30:56 Yeah, well, we kinda have a bigger problem here, but maybe that's for a different musing, heh...

[@Johnboynid]

Disbelievers will always twist and mock!

[@marionsmith4457]

I don't think these are legit plates either but I do have a couple of questions. Why would you forge gold plates since that would appeal to a small group of people (LDS)? Why forge gold plates considering how expensive it would be?

[@Mikelray-df9my]

That small group has billions of dollars. Maybe to sell?

[@ItsSnagret]

Also, these plates are very small, like and inch by 3/4 inch and only a couple pages, meaning it wouldn’t cost an awful amount of money to do. Still a good amount, but not a ridiculous amount.

[@Adam-ww8ei]

I dont think gold plates are an exclusively LDS concept. I’m sure there were other cultures that did this. We just associate it with our church due to the story of Joseph smith

[@Mikelray-df9my]

@@Adam-ww8ei it might not be exclusive, but it is your very foundation.

[@Adam-ww8ei]

@@Mikelray-df9my the words are the foundation. Not the medium

[@theresetaylor3543]

Thank you for sharing your comments

[@shanethompson2406]

It’s likely we will have forgotten about this in 2 weeks. Legitimate or not I haven’t a clue. I suspect we’ll never know! But hey, it makes for a lot of clicks😎

[@appraiserbroker4858]

I remember being so skeptical about the salamaner letter and shocked that some church leaders were buying Mark Hoffman's manure. Thanks again Connor.

[@personalitymanager1580]

I am a long time Mormon. I hate be what might be classed as being a heretic--but who cares? I don't care if it in written on gold, tin, leather, plates or on leftover paper bags. The information is either true or it isn't. It will either help change your life or not?

[@Lovecatholicfaith]

In fact it will help people’s life people can think more critically about misinformation .

[@DianeNims-gg7lf]

Yea, I was very excited when I watched Shabbat Night Live! Later I began to ponder and ask the same questions you presented. I’ve decided that, until proven otherwise, this is a really odd and mysterious finding and most likely very fake.

[@beckywright7906]

What you say makes sense although I want it to be true. Thanks for your musings today, I really appreciate your level headedness. ❤

[@benzun9600]

those other mormon youtubers so weird, they were jumping on this so hard really embarrassing.

[@thuggie1]

There have been multiple instances of people writing on metal scrolls and book I the Middle East. The house of the book there is a copper scrolls it's not really anything new around the Middle East. But I would like to more evidence of their claims. The guy all over the place with the description of the supposed artifact for a start

[@ChadSolberg]

Oh snap 😂😂😂 I was giddy on that video

[@zebiraross]

I like to think I have the gift of discernment, but I realize I rely heavily on those who have advanced that gift far beyond where I am. Thankfully, it's also a gift to believe on the words of another. Thanks for the digging. Well done.

[@freethinker1056]

Amen!!

[@3blenders]

I don’t really care about vindicated proof for any BoM plate “falsehood” accusations. The requirement of Faith is a never ending task that you will need even during the millennium and beyond. The earthly training time is all about faith and Holy Ghost and communication with God. Do you think it will be any different in the eternal immortal future? If so, why else are we exposed to all the training? Then why else do we need proof and vindication for our faith? I get it, it would be nice if we finally turned up on top of it instead of always being the “crazy”. Don’t forget however, the only people mocking and laughing at us are on the other side of the filthy river in that great building, pointing at us and, apparently we are paying attention.

[@jacbox3889]

I was hoping. Too good to be true.

[@mattbunner9225]

As authentic as the salamander letters or book of Abraham. 0% chance.

[@NerdyEd]

Love the quote you shared from (Elder) Oaks.

[@TheBackyardProfessor]

You earned a subscriber. Nice work THINKING IT THROUGH.......

[@truthbetold23762]

Amen!

[@Thehaystack7999]

That Christian group believes in an early Exodus, so that should be the first Red Flag. 🚩

[@ldsericb]

Great breakdown Connor, thanks.

[@CourageousConvictionMedia]

Here's another video, talking about Connor Boyack is good

[@klonkillee5615]

Gold plates are actually made of pizza 🍕 I ate them

[@ItsSnagret]

Members hastily commenting on the original video is so cringe 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@truthseeker4286]

So true.

[@benzun9600]

yeah it was super embarrassing for them. No wonder so many mormons jumped on the vax

[@ChadSolberg]

I’m that cringe

[@knowledgeispower-robertbea9589]

Cringe? A true prophet would tell the people that TV is a satanic idol, and some would repent and seek silence, so the Spirit could cleanse your thoughts and use Godly language not pop-culture nonsense!

[@Zubeneshemali]

NO!! Many items on those "plates" copied from some other fakes!!

[@Hala-ataa]

34:55 “Now when we’re talking about spiritual matters, that doesn’t mean we should critically and skeptically evaluate everything. There’s a faith component as well.” I will respectfully disagree by explaining the true doctrine of Faith as plainly as I can. The definition of faith has been perverted 180° since the Bible was published. And we wonder why Christ’s finger never appears to light our stones. Faith has never once meant to believe something beyond your reasoning, or beyond your rational capacity to understand. Faith has always meant to do exactly what you have sufficient reasons to do. If there are no reasons for you to proceed, then persisting in that path is not Faith. It is delusion, and there is a hard line. There is no grey area of Faith. The reason Mighty Faith is difficult and rare is not because few people have the capacity to believe something they don’t understand - something “transcendent.”Every human on earth does this 24/7. Everyone does things each day that there is no justification for, and which they know will not bring the results they desire. Mighty Faith is rare because so few people have the guts to actually do what they have sufficient evidence to do, because it’s inconvenient, unpopular, difficult, or painful. The only “unknown” element in faith is a perfect picture of how events will play out. But there should be no question in your mind whether or not something is true, correct, and yields the greatest benefit. If you can justify this to Heavenly Father before making your move, then you will be acting on Faith. So… conversely, if we were to *only* “critically and skeptically evaluate everything,” and then actually do what that rationale justifies, He would not be able to “be kept from within the veil.”

[@GeorgeBrooks-ig3kh]

These latest plates were not on the same route that Lehi traveled...and if you are surprised by their discovery, just wait until the other 10 tribes come back! They have their own records. Do yourself a favor and read the book with the thought of how does this hurt or help those that believe in Christ? No other book mentions Christ as often. Be honest with yourself.

[@isaacerickson6312]

Do a video on the Peruvian mummified aliens and their connection to the gospel.

[@dustinabc]

24:35 To be fair, people that are really talented in some way often do many great things. (Not that i think it's what's happening here).

[@daleclark7127]

Bad apologetics can be just as damaging to faith than the Anti’s narratives.

[@TheBackyardProfessor]

Oh no. They are far worse. The phony use of the Holy Ghost is outright damning to anything Mormonism, most expecially based on stupid forgeries. The Holy Ghost WON'T testify of something false, yet how many ding-a-ling Mormons imagine they have received their witness of "the truth of this work" through these idiotic things?

[@slowe299]

This is not a neutral critique, Connor needs to tone down the sarcasm and maybe compare it to something he believes to be true. Let's be neutral in our examinations.

[@sonyabusby6473]

Gold plates? Imagine the dollar value of these if they were real. Sounds pretty fishy. How do you date Gold?

[@wufflerdance9481]

by the language and writing used of certain time periods. hebrew mixed with other languages of the region who had power at the time. ...like clothing stylea writing can be picked put by people that know what they are looking for

[@adamgonzalez8668]

Spot on Bro!!!

[@coryhorton5837]

Critical thinking and healthy skepticism aren’t exactly the Mormon Church’s MO.

[@Mikelray-df9my]

Do you really expect desperate people to use critical thinking?

[@MrBillmechanic]

phony balonies here. fake fake fake, and fake again.