Going to the Darkside: Putting a Car Tire on your Motorcycle?!?

Car tires weren't meant for motorcycles. They are shaped differently, they have different bead shapes and sizes, they don't fit correctly. Yet thousands of motorcycle owners have "Darksided" their motorcycles, or installed car tires in place of motorcycle tires. Why would you do such a thing? And what do they know that we don't?
In this video, we talk in detail about car tires on motorcycles, how it affects you legally and in terms of liability, the pros and cons, and show some on-road footage of Goldwings riding with car tires installed.
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0:00 Introduction
1:06 Disclaimer
1:17 Experts say NO!
1:49 Technical Arguments
3:01 My Decision
3:39 Arguments For and Against
7:30 Pros of Car Tires
10:14 Cons of Car Tires
13:44 Videos of Riding on Car Tires
15:31 Conclusion
#Darkside #CarTire #Motorcycle

[@ramonbostic]

Everyone that I’ve ever met that went to the dark side, never went back. That tells me everything I need to hear.

[@declansills1614]

I just put a 195/60R/16 on my 1800. It's a directional tire, I felt that would be a good choice. A little snug getting it up past the differential, but no rubbing while running. I've made curves tight enough to drag the floorboards on both sides. I can't tell any difference from the m/c tire in curves. Put 32psi in the tire, it rides very well. No wet riding yet, but I'm expecting it to do it well. There is a lot of construction being done on the Interstate near my home, lots of grooves and uneven pavement. I haven't seen or felt any problems when hitting any of the changes. I worried about changing lanes to new pavement when it's higher, but it's okay. You have to watch doing that, anyway, no matter what tire you run. A couple hundred miles so far and only positive experiences.

[@tim7757]

I've been running dark with Kuhmo rear on my 2005 GL 1800 for about 7000 miles. To me it feels like the bike wants to stay upright due to the flatness profile of the tire. However, this week I noticed the cords showing through on one edge of the tire. I decided to go back to Bridgestone Exema Max on rear. OMG, it acts like a real motorcycle again. Turns on a dime. I won't go back to dark.

[@AdverseOpinion]

Because they enjoy it or...

[@bedowfamily102]

Mine was darksided when I bought it. I gave it 2 months. After getting kicked around on slightly rutted pavement and any other tiny deformation in the road, I couldn’t wait to get rid of the car tire. I agree you’re not going to die unless an angle in the road pitches you into a truck. No one can honestly say they don’t notice it. It just not true! You may have decided to accommodate for it, but you do have to accommodate for it.

[@glenncook7660]

It's Bridgestone Ecopia NOT Exema

[@erikfleischer5928]

This is one of the best Darkside videos I have seen. I switched to darkside a few years ago on my yamaha vstar. I did my research and prob looked around at the info that was available for well over 6 minths before I did it. Best decision I had made. What gets me going are the Naysayers with Zero experience of riding Darkside. Thank you for this well put together video.

[@GoldwingDocs]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@krashbaxter9991]

Hey so I have a 2007 yamaha vstar 650 classic, does a tube still work on the car tire for the rear of the bike? If so,what tube, and what size car tire would fit? Also, did you swap the front tire as well??.

[@egalitarianvegan8806]

I am new to the Darkside. We have gl1800. I put a Toyo 195/55r16 on the rear and a Battlax bt46 on the front. Was able to mount both tires my self using the zip tie method. The Toyo Extensa hp2 was easier to put on than any motorcycle tire I have done. It sealed first try with no leaks. The reason that I decided to go darkside was the fact my wife has had back surgery. The harsh jolting ride from the motorcycle tires was a real problem for her. Double dark siding has really improved the ride comfort for both of us. The ride is plush yet the bike handles just fine.

[@mega00760]

this is the best video ive seen on the subject, bottom line motorcycle tires are a huge ripoff price wise

[@lusiorodriguez9370]

The way I ride my Goldwing🏍🏍🏍🏍 I put 4000 miles in the original tires and the car tire I put 30,000 miles without no problems I love it

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Wonderful! I run dark on my GL1800, my Suzuki 650 Burgman, and my Honda PC800 and love them all. It makes me laugh so hard at the perhaps well-meaning morons that keep telling me how dangerous my choices are. Well, with around 250,000 miles on my 'bad choices' I am starting to think that they don't know what they are talking about !! 👍

[@jesper1406]

It's not very controversial. We did it in the 80ties, 40 years ago, and have done it ever since. I have done at least 300.000 km like that on different bikes, and never had a problem. Car tires are 1/3 of the price and last 3 times longer. Especially on heavy touring bikes...

[@Lucky..B]

Back in the 50s threw the 70s that was the thing . Choppers VW tires 180 wide on the Back Rim . Nothing wrong with it . But it gos to the old saying . LET THOES WHO RIDE DESIDE !!

[@MrPolymers]

Been riding for 50 years. Darksiding a motorcycle. Depends on who you ask. I sold engineering plastics and thermoplastic rubber compounds before I retired. So, what's the primary difference between a motorcycle tire and a car tire? Besides the obvious shape is the rubber compounds. The hardness or as we say "Durometer" of the rubber compounds in a car tire are much harder and designed for abrasion resistance. Thus much better wear. Well you say, I've got to have a car tire! Not so fast Pilgrim. There's a fundamental reason why motorcycle tires have a lower durometer or softness. It gives you much better grip. Plus, when leaning heavily on a car tire, you are significantly losing contact area on the road. So, here's my advice. If you ride like an old man and don't lean much, then go for it. If you ride like me leaning heavily in the turns, then you'd be a fool and maybe dead with a car tire..

[@joelthemole3020]

Except that is complete BS. My bike takes a 205/50R17 car tire, tirerack right now lists 86 car tires in that size available shipped to me, everything from no UTQG snow and ice tires that usually get super soft in the summer, to 100-200 UTQG DOT legal race tires that are meant the evaporate in a hard weekend of autocross, to yes, very hard 840 UTQG commuter tires and everything in between. Most people riding street bikes are using sport touring or harder tires. It is a complete fabrication for you to say those are softer than ALL car tires. If you take note it is commonly expressed how much BETTER the rear grip is with darksiding, going completely against your wildly made up overgeneralizations.

[@John_Ridley]

From the video: "I have no problem dragging foot pegs on this bike with the car tire on it." I don't doubt that having 1000 pounds between bike, rider and cargo helps too. Don't Darkside your Ducati sport bike.

[@joelthemole3020]

@@John_Ridley Depends how you are using it and what type of tire you use. Works great on my FJR1300 and that is a fairly sporty sport touring bike, there is someone on youtube who likes it on a sub 500lb Versys 650, although I forget the channel name right now.

[@John_Ridley]

@@joelthemole3020 Yes, as mentioned in the video, if you go out and look for the longest wearing car tire you can find, it'll be made of very hard rubber and won't do well on a bike.

[@joelthemole3020]

@@John_Ridley Sure, but there is usually a LOT of car tire options, especially if you have a fairly common size. Seems like a lot of the sport touring bikes use a 205/50R17 tire, which is a VERY common size.

[@greggrichards3338]

Interesting Scott. Your attitude toward the darkside mirrors mine almost exactly. A few years ago I would have never considered it. I went dark about a year ago and it's great. Good video!

[@circuitdude1]

What make and sizes do u use?

[@greggrichards3338]

@@circuitdude1 Rear Yokohama Avid Envigor 185/55/16 should have done a 60, front BT46 stock size, this is for a 1500.

[@patzke]

Great perspective. Having been a darksider for more than 10 years it’s refreshing to see someone actually rationally discuss darksiding. I pretty much ignore the naysayers. Thank you. My philosophy is simple - My damn bike; My damn decision.

[@mosmotorcyclejourney9067]

Love your comment.

[@ACoustaDC]

Don't you use your logic on me sir!!

[@urgadurga3299]

Until you’re in an accident regardless of fault when the insurance man sees a car tire you’re done! You’re at fault and the insurance company denies coverage!

[@patzke]

@@urgadurga3299 b.s. I’ve been unfortunate that I’ve had 2 accidents where I’m not at fault where people pulled out right in front of me. Two different insurers and the CT was never an issue. The only “legal” requirement is that a tire has to be DOT approved. That is directly from the appraiser surveying the bike for repair. The only time the tire becomes an issue is if you’re using a racing slick or off-road tire neither of which are DOT approved for highway use. Get your facts straight.

[@ACoustaDC]

@@urgadurga3299 Did you watch the video??? He addresses that and he can not find ONE incident of an insurance company denying coverage. You have a DOT tire on the bike. They pay. PLEASE feel free to sight an instance of denial based on darkside, I am willing to hear your point, not just an internet anecdote though.. Proof of some kind.

[@alanbatten5548]

I just have to jump in. I'm no expert, but. My 1970 Opel Relord 1700 ran great on six ply mud lorry tires-- they even had dimples where the ice studs had been, I ran the car 80,000 odd miles on them . Handling was great, mpg was good mostly Autobahn work. The manufacture recommended tires only lasted about 20,000 and were dangerous in snow. The Rav 4 was a very different matter, only drives nicely and handles well in most weather conditions including multilayers of water ice snow. The GL1000 KO nut an bolt rebuild (done by) me ran great on the cheapest bike tyre I could find. To round off you have just explained why the K3 combination I owned for a time wearing TT stickers had car tyres! The problem i could not solve is getting someone to straighten the very strange front fork arrangement so I never rode it.

[@viclunaanthc3274]

Did a little research. M/C tire roughly in the 800lb load rating range vs 1,200 to 1,500lb load rating for car tires. A fully loaded cruiser/tourer can run over 1,100lbs fully loaded! Run those weights in the desert heat and see what happens. Peace of mind would be my main reason. Opinions?

[@mrmichaeltscott]

I think I'm around 90k Double Darkside. Never even a flat. I just got off a bike known bit to do well Darkside. And going back into one. I CANT WAIT!

[@mrwhite2628]

Definitely the most informative and rational video I have seen on Darksiding. I've logged well over 300,000 miles on 4 different GL1800's. The Pro's outweigh the con's probably 100 to 1. I won't ever go back. Thanks for the video.

[@dangalli1]

I've been Darkside on my '06 Yamaha Stratoliner S for almost 4 years now. Riken Raptor 205/50/17, purchased from Tire Rack.

[@SIDECARRICH]

Great job, as always, we have been double darkside for almost 8 years on 2 99 Wings and would never go back! Thanks Scott!

[@1LifeAdvs]

What size and brand do you use for the front and back? Thanks.

[@davidpetersjr4519]

Thank you. I just bought a 1984 Goldwing 1200I. I'm going to be doing fabrication to a bolt on trike kit to install on her, after cleaning and maintenance. It will be the only way my wife will ride with me again and we aren't young like we were 15 years ago. I will investigate this more. Thank you again from East Tennessee.

[@91156]

I run a Dunlop SP WinterSport 3D runflat 175/60R16 on the rear of my GL1800. Does a great job and very little difference in feel when cornering than the traditional MC tire. And I ride fairly aggressive. Oh, and good video.

[@curtisbarrow7650]

My Dad got a WWII surplus Harley in 1946/47...he ran car tires front and back: that was all anyone could get! Later in life he ran a car tire on his, yes, Bergman 650! I have one on my GL1500. They seem more stable in gravel also. Good summation!

[@scottraines7419]

Well, I've been runnging "Darkside" for years and years. I guess I must have survived it because, I'm here typing!!! As normal, different riders will convey different experiences with C/T's. First off, I have never ran a *Run-flat* C/T. Mine have all been normal C/T's. Guess what, STILL NOT DEAD YET! Run what you like and think is appropriate, it's your bike. As for getting used to a C/T, well, it took me about a city block to get used to it. I feel no rise in bike height as I hit corners. No wanting of the bike to straighten itself out after a corner due to the potential desire for the bike to go back to riding on the flat part of the tire, nope, not happening. I ride, I corner, I accelerate, I decelerate, I brake, I ride two up, I ride single, I carry things, I tow a trailer, and all the combinations above, STILL HERE! Your choice here. SR

[@Magicinstalls]

Hey don't knock it till you've crashed it

[@fkat28]

Thank you for using real world personal experience to debunk the dark side. I don't take long trip on my bikes otherwise I would do exactly what you've done on my GL1000, GL1100 and GL1500.

[@SikterEfendi]

I've had a lot of experience (over 50,000Km) on Yamaha Majesty 400 and any road surface and conditions you can imagine. About the only thing I did differently is lowering the pressure instead of increasing it - it worked much better with that bike. I'd never use a motorcycle rear tire again, but finding one for my Suzuki Burgman 650 has proven a real challenge. The last one I tried was almost impossible to mount and rubbed the fender with any shock preload and bike weight so I had to abandon the experiment. Not giving up yet, but am waiting for someone else to provide reliable info on what works for this bike. Also, tires with symmetrical thread patterns are getting increasingly harder to find and I don't like one side of my tire having a different thread than the other. Thanks for the great video, BTW, I am also of a firm opinion that those who haven't tried it have no say in the matter.

[@ssng1]

Great video review on this subject! I decided to try it 2 years ago with a General Altimax R43 and on day one I was grinning from ear to ear. I will never go back after thousands of safe miles in dry or wet. The contact patch as you pointed out is so much greater and it instills a level of confidence I never experienced with a motorcycle tire. “Search your feelings Luke, the Power of the Darkside is strong!” 😂

[@peteowens3033]

Same tire I run on my VTX 1300. Love it!

[@mleugs42]

Best treatment I've ever seen on this topic - comes across as well-informed, balanced and objective! Too bad I just bought a proper MC tire set or I'd give this a try right now.

[@libertyr1]

Been riding Double Dark Side well over 60,000+ and will never go Back! A car tire is built much better than a MCT and You and No once else can tell me a CT does not go on a Bike! Ck back to the 50s-60s they used CTs on bikes then also Until tire companies started making 300 different MCTs and flooded the Industry! So Yes I Roll the Darkside!

[@BobBarkerIsOld]

WingAdmin, I agree 100% about what you said regarding Darksiders. They are quick to tell you you’re wrong and here’s why…all I’ve ever tried to say on the forums is “says a lot about the engineering of car tires, eh?” and that somehow means I’m against the idea. I’m not. I had an Austone. But I’ve given up, the double swing arm is just too tight to allow anything in. I’ll never own a GL1800 but I have a Rune and those are MC tires. So it was fun while it lasted. As always, informative and entertaining!

[@davidprej]

I went to the dark side after a couple of years of research looking for anyone who had problems with it. Could not find anyone who had an issue with a car tire. So, made the switch and love it. You didn't mention one of the main "Pros" of a car tire - run flat. A blow out with a motorcycle tire could be fatal. With a run-flat car tire, no big deal.

[@GoldwingDocs]

That's true, although run-flat tires don't come in sizes that fit the GL1500. The Kumho runflat I show in the video is an excellent option for the GL1800 however.

[@jackbo7057]

always nice to view your comment. thank you for your time and good work.

[@soujrnr]

Great discussion on the topic! I'm not going to dark side my Wing, but I know MANY MANY riders who have, and they love it. It's just personal preference for me. I've read the technical reasons for not doing it, and that's all well and good, but at the end of the day, it's up to the owner. Regardless of what people do with tires (or oil), please ride safely!!

[@mario121564]

Thanks for the video. Very good presentation. I rode a Suzuki burgman 659 and went to the dark side. Got a lot of negative comments. But never changed the rear tire for 4 years. Now I’m on a 1800gl next rear tire will be dark.

[@gcragg11]

thanks for the good informative vid. just doing some final research before I darkside my Electra Glide. I'm doing it largely because I pull a fairly large trailer and my rear tire milage is poor as a result. I'm not concerned about doing it from any aspect at all. I'm looking forward to it a lot and I'm actually dropping my wheel diameter by 1 inch which will shorten my gearing just a bit which I want to do as well. once again ...thanks for the well done and informative video

[@DergEnterprises]

I was on my second rear car tire (2014 GL1800). I love it, the only issue is the car tire wants to follow the contour of the road, but I got used to it. Oh, and when the tire pressure drops, it makes it really hard to put the Wing on the center stand.

[@rogerlavoie1372]

what size and brand is the best

[@lewisdundas1281]

Im going to the darkside tomorrow on my GL1800. My friend has been doing it for years now and is happy with its performance. Im going with the Hankook Optima H426B 195/55R16 RSF run flat. Thanks for the video, well done.

[@workharddieproud]

2003 Wing, first CT on it and have so far 9,500 miles on it. No issues. Part of those miles are on the Dragon and some with pulling a trailer. I’m running a Pirelli P1 Run Flat 195/55-16 at 36psi. Far as cornering / leaning, again, no issues. I’ve scrapped my foot pegs.

[@martinmartinez2877]

Why you scrap your foot pegs? Where do you place your feet now?? 😆😆

[@workharddieproud]

@@martinmartinez2877 You can scape the bottom of your foot pegs on a Goldwing IF you lean it over far enough in a curve. I’ve never damaged my foot pegs, just a little minor scratches on the bottom.

[@BrandonWest87]

@@workharddieproud He was being pedantic about your misspelling.

[@R-Woz]

Great video. I ride a Honda Valkyrie interstate (5 speed) to reduce 400 RPM at 75mph - installed a Firestone 195 75 r16.

[@josephharrell4961]

Good video. Thanks. Most of your comments reflect mine. I just do not notice any problem except when going 5 miles an hour on a rough parking lot or backing up over rough terrain. Thanks again for the video.

[@thomasgarrison3949]

I'm looking to put a kit on my motorcycle with 2 extra wheels in the back, since I am a Disabled American Veteran, I was also thinking of putting a car tire on the drive wheel of my Kawasaki Vulcan 900 classic LT, if I can find one.

[@1bdmilkman]

I actually just came upon this idea as my '12 wing (gifted to me by my pops) needs new tires. Long story short, I asked my long term Honda dealer service manager if he "promoted the darkside" He said no but he would be more than happy to mount a CT on my bike.........just don't expect him to test ride it. He went throgh the same speal that this video started with. Watching this and reading all your comments is sending me there. Thank you all!

[@SlappyAdventures]

Awesome video Awesome info Ivbeen dark side for over 5 years and love it..... I need this video to send to my friends that are look for info about. Good job tks

[@mosmotorcyclejourney9067]

Ok now you have convinced me. I'm gonna do it when I change out the cycle tire I put on there. Next spring. Thank you for this info. Great to know.

[@waygone6657]

Thanks, I've made up my mind to try it. Got 62K miles on my bike and been thinking about this for probably 50K of that. Like you mentioned, I'm lucky to get 10K miles on a rear tire. I change my own tires so that part is not a problem. My rear wheel is 6X17 so I'm shopping for a 205/50/17 tire. This will be interesting to see how it goes. I ride year round and can easily do 7K miles a year just back and forth to work. So I'm going to give this a shot in a few weeks. 🙂

[@boldkojak2734]

Thank you for doing this, you are smart, educated and reasonable ,, i will do it on my heavy bike because the motorcycle tire is expensive

[@Todd66]

I am 100% convinced this is the way to go. Looks fantastic. The only downside that I can conceive is fuel mileage might be effected due to more friction. A trade off that in my eyes that is well worth the advantages. I am about the be the owner of a 2000 Valkyrie, this will be one of my first mods. Nice video as with the others I have seen from this channel. My only complaint with this channel is he needs to be wearing a hat. I’m bald and seeing a perfect head of hair like that is distracting me. 😅😂 Cool channel

[@toanogreen]

Thank you for your video on this topic. It was very informative; with facts, not just opinions. I have been a member of Goldwingdocs since 2011 and have gotten very valuable information from you and other contributors over the years. I just realized you are now on KZbin as well. I will subscribe. I also hope to be able to meet you at one of your annual gatherings some day. Thanks

[@jackanderson1418]

Double darkened and loving it! Bitter grip in the wet and way better grip on gravel roads my brigstones were done at 13,000 miles 7,000 on the car tire still looks new and cost $86 dollars at Walmart.

[@jezzalinko]

Nice video I recently went Darkside on my vn1700 first tyre 195/65/16 I went a bit taller for extra height and within a few hours of riding I was back to scraping my floor boards I've now just replaced it with a 205/60/16 as I wasn't sure if I could go 65 All I can say is I'm so glad I tried it as I have no dramas with it at all and actually get alot more grip on all road conditions Biggest thing I've seen online is if it doesn't feel comfortable is adjust the air pressure a few psi to get the sweet spot

[@walterwelch9894]

I had thought about going to the dark side on my 1993 GL1500 with a Champion Sidecar. It Doesn't lean that much and I put a lot of miles on my bike in a year. My last Tire Blowout was around Christmas of 2018. Not sure what I ran over but it shredded. I was doing 70 MPH when it Blew. By the time I got to the Median my knee was on the sidecar and the engine was still running. Whew!

[@mollymcghee2220]

Got 13,500 miles on an E-3 on the rear and 15,000 miles on the front E-3. 2 years ago you couldn't find an E-3 to save your life, so I went with a Metzler 888 and so far very good. Mileage is around 7K on the rear and 6K on front. Still running.

[@declansills1614]

I'm glad I saw this video. I have an 1800 that needs tires. I bought it used and have already put a good 10,000 miles on the tires it came with. I'm also getting a little pull trailer. Sounds like going to the other tire is going to be a win/win. Seeing your riding video clinches it. I had wondered about cornering, but I can see there is plenty of tread on the ground. Thanks!

[@tiknaniaj]

Thank you for this video! I've been on the fence about going Darkside for a bit and following your advice has never let me down before!

[@jimrussell583]

Right there with the Presidential election was stolen and the existence of the toothfairy.

[@darinstevens3960]

Great information thanks I a VStrom rider and I haul Everything! I need on my bike was looking for the whys and why nots. Well I see no reason to not Thank

[@jimmcgowin8780]

Yes CT handles differently, More counter steering in turns. What everybody doing these videos never seem to point out is that a MT also requires more counter steering pressure in turns once your MT gets about half worn. If you look at it, it is also flat across the middle with a flat area about equal to a CT.

[@GoldwingDocs]

Very true.

[@donporterfield5517]

Great , I really appreciate the info . Answered questions I have had a long time. I used to be of the belief a car tire is made for a car period! If the feeling when cornering is to overwhelming I can see where it would be hard to make the change. Thanks again for your points on this often asked question. Big D Brownfield, Tx.

[@jimidgaffigan8731]

Lots of excellent info! New rider and have always thought the Goldwing looked like the full package, going with my gut on this one.

[@jdanderson1105]

Just found your KZbin channel. You are a great teacher. I have learned so much. Please keep it up.

[@GoldwingDocs]

Thank you!

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

The Duro motorcycle tires I run on my Sportster generally run about $60 a piece, and the special Duro sidecar tires I get from Dennis Kirk are only $35 a piece.

[@jimwortham8634]

Thanks so much for posting been debating for years have not gone dark side of yet but sure will in future we are being ripped off by MC car companies high prices no mileage especially if you have heavy bike

[@andrewvillavicencio8496]

VERY informative, thank you! I just bought a Honda PC800 from the owner of a motorcycle shop. He dark sided the rear and swears by it. So I wanted to do a little research. THANKS

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Got one on mine too! Love it!

[@LimitedGunnerGM]

I plan on Darksiding when it’s time to replace the rear tire. BMW R18 Transcontinental. A lead sled on 2 wheels.

[@mattp9361]

Today was my first time on a GL1500. Going around a wet, uphill turn, I broke the back tire loose. My eyes almost popped out of my helmet. Even with fresh tires, I am ready to try a car tire

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

A representative from Dunlop tires went around at americade and check the air pressure of the motorcycles are especially the big gold wings that were loaded to the hilt and found that more than 50% had less air than what they were supposed to have. This aspect needs to be considered.

[@LuisHernandez-bh8cg]

I use pressure monitor valve stem caps.,... seems to work fine 🙋

[@UncleRobsGarage]

I put a car tire on my M109R Suzuki and went around Corners at 145 mph for 6 years never had an issue.

[@albertjones5430]

I've got a 2004 Honda VTX1300S and a 2003 Goldwing and run both on the darkside. The VTX has been on the darkside for about 10 years and I wont go back to an M/T. When I first started on the darkside I was told about the scooting feeling around corners. They told me to adjust my tire pressure up or down by 1/2 lb until I found where it stopped the scooting. It will take a few adjustments to get it there. My goldwing calls for 41 psi in the rear tire and I run 36 psi. I have drug my feet in the turns several times.

[@armandopiatti1065]

I remember having a Harley 1944 in Argentina and the tires size was 600 x 16 same size my father Mercury car. I have tried on my Silverwing i drove from Alabama to Ushuaia and back to Buenos Aires the same size than a Mini Cooper because in Argentina Bridgestone o Metzeler or any other brans made motorcycle tires on the siza the Silverwing needed so after 35000 miles still driving on the Drk Side in South America.

[@jamescain8502]

Very interesting. I had never heard of this ‘dark side’ of which you speak..(nod to Master Yoda😂). Very well presented for the pros and cons in a clear and easy to understand format. Great stuff, keep it up. I’m a gl1100 owner by the way, so I’m loving the content. Subscribed and liked. 👍

[@jasonrucker9712]

Great content and layout. Thanks for sharing

[@jeremyde5385]

Thanks to your video im going to try it next time I have to change my rear tire....

[@TheSmack67]

I am on my second car tire. Towing a trailer across the country definitely destroys all tires but motorcycle tires weren't even lasting 5k.

[@perrycalabrese3475]

The Clymer repair manual for the GL1000/1100 recommends using a car tire with sidecar and a springer front end, but good luck finding one of those.

[@jerryfranklin5865]

Best request I’ve ever heard. Thanks.

[@jerryfranklin5865]

Sorry…. That was supposed to say Best review!!!

[@MrNorman1956]

Best and most informative video I have seen. Thank you!

[@eccentricsmithy2746]

Been putting a car tire on the rear of my Harley baggers for decades. Never had one problem. I always used a tire tube in it regardless

[@jameschenault7104]

I concur with his findings. I researched for 3 months before going dark and found the exact same thing as he did all the way down to insurance coverage. I didn't have snow to ride through but I used water and cones to measure my contact patch findings. As far as the difference in the corners I think a RF tire does maybe lift some on the edge but a use a NRF and do not get that feeling. Riding off or on a curb slowly you will get more of a push to the low side but you will get used to that quickly. A good friend of mine who was totally against me getting a ct rode my bike and when I asked him how it felt, he looked bewildered and said he never could tell the difference. As for my riding style and experience I do lock and lean riding, love rubbin a peg in the twisties and also tour,ing. I usually ride mostly 1 up. As I said I use a NRF tire, a Yokohoma Avid Ascend 195/60/16 at 32/34psi. Wear is nice and even all the way across. My last tire I had 42,000 miles on with tread left. Total miles in the darkside is approx 200,000 miles with zero problems. I have used beads to balance but currently use Ride On to balance and help stop leaks like with a nail or something. If you can see my profile pic, this is me at Cottonwood Pass in Colorado in 2019 and my tire had some 35,000 miles on it at that time. I'm not saying you have to buy a ct to run but I say to each their own and YOU make your own decision. Don't let someone who has never even tried one for any amount of time dictate to you what you should do. I personally got a second rim, put a ct on it and did my side by side tests and decided to go for it. I have never looked back and will never go back to a mt. Ride often and safe my friends!!

[@circuitdude1]

Hey James You ride a 1500 wing? I hv a 1989..would tht rear size fit my bike??

[@addamochs]

I've never seen nor heard of this before a few weeks ago. I love in the Black Hills of South Dakota and I saw a bike in Rapid City with a car tire. Blew my mind.

[@haroldpetersen5584]

If you put the 195/55/16 on a GL1500 getting bike on center stand is impossible for me make sure you have 80 to 81 inches circumference will also increase rpm by about 300 and fuel mileage will suffer.

[@martinmartinez2877]

You need to start lifting weights, or are you a geezer?😳😆

[@benwinter2420]

Two older Honda Goldwings on sale at local scrap yard recent north NSW Oz , complete & probably $100 each sold quick (perhaps flood) . . brother rode one across Oz no issues

[@allenfloyd3007]

This was a great video. Especially when you showed actual tire function in curves. I am contemplating darkside for my 21 Gwing. This definitely put my mind at ease

[@BrandonWest87]

Same with my ‘21 Wing. At near $300 a pop for the factory Dunlops, I’m not excited about replacing my tires every 7k miles every year. Prior to my wing, I ALWAYS thought darksiding was patently ridiculous…when I rode an R6 or my VTX1300. On my wing and with the expense of the rear MC tires, I’m beginning to come around to the idea.

[@vincentho7050]

Same with my 23 dct. In fact about to go darkside today with 195/55 R16 Michelin primacy 4. Looking to get more traction and grip esp in wet conditions. Will update after getting some miles on the set up

[@Ishkatan]

I find that getting the air pressure just right on my Silverwing 600SC with a dark side makes a lot of difference. Slightly less air than the motorcycle version lets it flex and it feels just fine going around corners. I think I have a slightly bigger contact patch too. Too little is squirmy and too much makes it ride on the sharp edge and feel funny when cornering. For me, 31.5 lto 32 bs is just right but took a bit of experimenting. My brother in law swears by the run flat.

[@Winterstick549]

Im one of those anti darkside riders, but also believe in freedom of choice. My only argument was with cornering due to tire design, but you have me rethinking my position, especially in the wet. I would never go dark side on my lighter bikes, but I recently aquired a 2004 Goldwing and may try it out. Thanks.

[@mikehernandez1511]

On a Goldwing you won't be disapointed. I went dark on my first Honda Goldwing and put a little over 8K miles on it when I had to get rid of it. My new Wing (new to me) came with new tires and I already ordered a rim and runflat ct for it so when the MT wears out i'm taking this wing to the dark side. Just like he said you will feel the added grip on take off and braking, riding thru monsoons and I never once felt the bike become unstable. Also like he said its a personal choice but I believe once you try it on a Goldwing or other 8-9 hundred pound bike you will love it.

[@jameschenault7104]

Just something on your comment and lighter bikes. A friend mounted one on his BWM adventure bike and he has absolutely loved it. Now he does not do serious off roading but gravel roads and such. He still loves it.

[@countryjoe3551]

I bought a 2001 Goldwing several years ago. It was already on a car tire when I bought it, it was on the same tire when I sold it a couple years later. I could easily drag all kinds of parts in the twisties without a moments hesitation.

[@perryscholder6564]

​@countryjoe3551 This answers my question. A bungee can help with scraping those pesky foot pegs. Also, keeping the suspension at the maximum height makes a huge difference.

[@tjrosario9439]

Nice video. I have a 2012 GL 1800 always overloaded. Started Darksiding when I started making longer trips and a new rear bike tire would sometimes be sketchy whether it would make it home. Since then I have gone double Darkside and will never go back.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Just stating the facts. I would never have tried darksiding had it not been for other riders trying it first and convincing me to give it a go After a few miles of running dark I knew that I was onto something. 250,000 miles later and nary a motorcycle tire on any of my bikes (except for a Suzuki 200 Van Van) I feel quite safe in saying that I will spend the rest of my riding days on the darkside.

[@WalterCelario-z1g]

Great info! I'm considering dark siding my boss hoss. This bike goes through tires like it's nothing.

[@billdonohue2389]

I’ve said, I’ll never ever do this. Last week I bought a 2002 goldwing with car tire on it. I rode it cause it was already there. I am impressed. It rides the same, handles the same, corners the same. For now, I’m gonna run this tire till time to change it. At that time I’ll make my decision. But I’m leaning to staying darkside.

[@kaboy30]

That is exactly how I was introduced to the Dark side. I bought my current Wing with a CT already on it. The owner swore by it. Well I had a 3 1/2 hour ride home to get used to it. It's been 9 years and I'm still running Dark. Even went double dark 5 years ago.

[@tasunko7672]

I ran a car tire on the back of a 1012 Vulcan 1700. The edges of the tread was wearing noticeably at 16k miles. Still way better than the 3500 miles I got out of the original tire. I now ride an Indian Springfield. The original rear tire got 13k miles easy enough, but was cupping. I was satisfied with that mileage, so I went back with an OEM rear tire.

[@DA-ou7hv]

You know I used to have a fair bit of cupping on my gold wing tires. I kept getting told - air pressure. OK so I took a set of OEM Bridgestone tires and went nuts checking the air pressure. I kept those tires within +/- 1 psi checking them with a Michelin digital pressure gauge every second ride. A PIA but I have 16K miles on them - no cupping yet. I am surprised...

[@martinmartinez2877]

Proper INFLATION….the idiots that complain about “cupping”, poor wear, etc., are the same ones that NEVER check their tire pressure…..

[@tasunko7672]

Some idiots don't know anything about TPMs.@@martinmartinez2877

[@jdanderson1105]

Scott. Been riding my GL 1500 SE for years. Just found some of your KZbin

[@PainterD54]

Thank you for an objective review on the Darkside issue. I ran a Kuhmo 205/70 15" on my old 1100 Honda Shadow and that is the same size (different brand) on my 1300 VTX also. I'll never go back to a bike tire as far as I can see. They're are not hard to mount so don't let that make up your mind. I figured after reading so much about it, I have to try it and I am glad I did. I've dragged my foot pegs so many time I had to replace the acorn nuts on the foot pegs a couple times.

[@genegoodwin8925]

The first real motorcycle I rode on was a 1947 Harley Davidson with a tank shift, later that Summer the owner traded for a 1954 Harley Davidson 74 because it had a foot shift. I believe both of these had car tires on back. It was not uncommon at all to run car tires on back, however I think he always ran a motorcycle tire on front.

[@parker3819]

Going around curves seeing sketchy but like you said get used to it I like the the thought of longer lasting tire.. I own a Gl1200

[@seangilbert3062]

Hi Parker...I also have a GL 1200 interstate...what size tire did you put on your bike ? Please and thank you

[@j.clarkhelton7883]

I would have NEVER thought to put car tires on my goldwings. I am intrigued. Will thoroughly research.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Got over 80K on my GL1800 running a CT on the back. Never an issue and never will go back to motorcycle tire at the rear.

[@MichaelWilliams-mt4hu]

That was very interesting, and I was just told about this today from a friend that has had a few Goldwings. I may try it myself.

[@clay1883]

I've been running a Michelin Alpin (no not Alpine) run flat, 195-55-16 on the rear of my '13 Wing. This is a winter/ice performance tire, and sadly not available anymore. Same size that fits a Mini Cooper. Circumference was right for my ABS Wing, ie, no problems with the ABS system as far as fault lights and so on. The winter/ice tires have a high silica content. Just right for traction on a bike. Load and speed rating of the tire is a little better than a bike tire. It runs quiet and Wife says it doesn't thump her as hard on bumps. We pull a trailer and I think it's safer than a bike tire. I don't buy them for money savings. I'd run them if they cost twice as much. I usually get about 16K on them. You won't ride past the tire's capability on a 'Wing or other large touring bike. Hard metal parts start dragging before that happens. Maybe on a sport bike this could be a problem. I don't try to sway people to go darkside. As you mentioned, never anything but third hand stories on the failures. Wing World has an article this month by a nay sayer. He says he has investigated many wrecks due to darksiding. I'd like to see those wreck reports. As someone mentioned below, the car tire will try to follow a change in pavement or a groove, but you quickly get used to that. Sorry for the long post!

[@GoldwingDocs]

Interesting that the GWRRA author claims to have "investigated many wrecks due to darksiding"....yet the government agencies ACTUALLY in charge of investigating such things, have no record of even ONE. Guess which source I trust.... Winter tires do work well, but they also do wear out faster, and as I mention, give a bit more "squirm" in corners due to their softer composition.

[@rickdff62]

I've thought of doing this before but always listened to the naysayers but you addressed every question or concern I had so I'm going to give it a try. I actually could use a new back tire so no better time than the present. Thanks!

[@robinlewis9068]

I am going to convert one of my GL1500 to a trick with trick kit. It seems it would be a no brainer to replace the rear tire with a car tire as you will no longer lean the bike in corners as with two wheels.. Also will be pulling a trailer giving better traction and load range. I know this is mainly posted for two wheel running. But unless you are riding to challenge the curves at higher than recommended set speeds stay with designed recommended manufactured motorcycle tires. But most Goldwing riders ride longer trips at 75% straight roads. The most degree angle would be 80 to 75 degrees on curved roads. And the most challenging turn is a stop or corning turns at intersections and newer riders will finally master those turns with more riding experience with less fear. So if your a long and experienced rider changing the rear tire will be noticeable but will be mastered the longer the riding you do. Just like when I first got on a Goldwing and had to make my first turn at the intersection. Now I'm one with my bike.

[@lovefamily5931]

Great video thank you I run a Kawasaki Vulcan VN2000 195/60/16v car tire My wife love's this tire much smoother ride

[@adiwandjohanli647]

Thanks a lot for sharing the experience. Much appreciated ❤👍

[@dwightherkness8117]

Really good discussion, thanks

[@JasonCarmichael]

I darksided a Bergman 400 and an FJR1300. Have you ever seen someone scrape pegs on a FJR? I scraped pegs with a car tire. The tire I put on my FJR was a high performance zzr rated for 20,000 miles. I put 40,000 on it and it looks like it was never used. The absolute greatest reason to darkside a bike? The tire lasts 60000 miles vs 5000 miles.

[@whiteSharkRSV]

My 1998 V8 kannon came with a car tire. But it also actually has a car wheel on the rear.

[@wingandhog]

It’s like everything in life. Personal choice. I don’t judge what other adults do with their machines. As for me, I am on the fence still, but I am not opposed to moving in that direction when I decide to.

[@mose717]

Been thinking about darksiding for several years on various bikes. Now I’m riding a Goldwing trike and am always on the darkside.