GOLF: The Secret To Shallowing Your Downswing - Wrist Angles

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I genuinely think wrist angles are the secret to shallowing your downswing. Meaning if you get this part right, the other stuff doesn't matter nearly as much.
First, let’s reiterate and make sure you guys understand what I mean when I say shallow your downswing. For the purpose of this video, I'm talking specifically about the plane that the club is on. When I say shallow, I'm saying the club is going to go onto a lower or more shallow angle, more horizontal. And the secret to getting onto a shallower or more flat plane is wrist angles.
Where you start from at the top of your backswing will affect what you need to do to shallow the shaft. Let's assume in utopia when you get to the top of your swing your left wrist is perfectly flat your right wrist is bent back.
How would I get the club to go on a flatter angle through my wrist angles? Number one, I'd take my left wrist and go from a flat position into a more bowed position. If you take your left wrist from flat to bowed down, it lays the shaft down. The opposite is also true. If I extend or cup my left wrist the shaft will get more vertical.
if you start flat and you bow or flatten your wrist, the shaft gets more behind you. If you flex your wrist, the shaft gets steep or more vertical in front of you. Every single person watching this video who comes from flat would benefit from either staying flat on the same plane or flexing and getting on a shallower plane.
If you're not coming from flat, if you at the top and you're coming from bowed, the same principle applies. If you are at the top and have a cupped wrist, the same principle also applies. If you want to shallow the club, you bow your wrist.
The other piece that goes with this is wrist hinge. If I take my left wrist and I unhinge it, or hinge down (ulnar deviation) that goes right along with my left wrist being flat or bowed.
There's no mystery here. If you’ve been wondering why you can’t shallow the shaft you need to look at your wrist angles.
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[@flippperboy]

I just started golf 3 months ago and thank goodness you and Adam collaborated. I was following Adam.Thanks for the tip. Just learned how to finally hit my long irons. Now I have to work on the little things like this shallow club position on the down swing. Thank you. Plus you don’t have a fake accent from abroad.

[@CogornoGolf]

Haha thanks for being here with us!

[@ryanh222]

"This shit is simple" just won me over for life. Keep on making videos Eric, top of KZbin in my opinion!

[@CogornoGolf]

:) Thanks man

[@sadiq3987]

THANK YOU. From R. Shiels, M. Crossfield, MeandMGolf, to S. Clement, your no Bullshit videos are just perfect to tie all that "theory and feel" into REAL, SOLID ADVICE. Great content on youtube these days worth thousands of dollars in lessons. Keep up the style. One of my favs right here.

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks..I appreciate it!

[@haggebru]

I'd like your perspective on something: what I have done is gone to the top of the backswing, done the Dustin Johnson bowing, taken my right wrist off the club, lowered my bowed left wrist to the ground. Every time I find that the top of the club then is not pointing a 12:00, but instead about 10:30. It dawned on me that, at setup, I would put the club in my left hand, set it to 10:30 to begin with. If I do my backswing, when I get to the top, I'm bowed,. I can check it back on the ground: the club is facing 10:30. So in effect, I am "pre-bowing". This process takes complexity out of the backswing where Johnson sets his wrist to bow. I'm getting lag, a flatter swing, and de-lofted club. All the benefits of bowing. Why wait to the topswing to bow instead of "pre-bowing".?

[@CogornoGolf]

Hey there! Yes! You can do that bowing/twist away move at any point👍 Here is a video on this topic that you may enjoy checking out! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHeyoGhpr8yWgtU Appreciate you watching the channel!

[@prickswithstix1113]

That’s so funny... “you guys are puking” and my favorite...this shit is simple!”. The “you’re not a tour player” truly the one you need to continue repeating. Thanks for all the help!!!

[@CogornoGolf]

:)

[@edlasatergolf]

One of the best videos if not the best video you’ve ever done👍

[@CogornoGolf]

Thank you sir!

[@ericamin12]

Legitimately the FIRST video anyone should watch if they want to be educated and start to play better. I took this to the range and it worked like a charm. Slo mo swings first with a hanger and then graduate to full swings w/o hanger when ready! You're doing god's work, Eric!

[@CogornoGolf]

Haha love it! Thanks man!!

[@sportsguy23]

Dude your "every man" speak is so refreshing. I just came upon your channel in the past week or so, been watching videos, and I love em. I commented recently on another video about how easy and simple you make the swing look, and now I gotta let you know that the way you talk and deliver your message is awesome too. "And from here you guys are puking right now" lol... Good stuff Eric.

[@CogornoGolf]

Haha love it! Thanks Keith! Appreciate you being here!

[@markstratman6147]

Your teaching is the best. The way you explain effects and opposites is one reason your teaching reaches students. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I wish for you and your team much success.

[@davidspence7887]

A perfect combination of information, clarity and bluntness.

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks, Mark. Appreciate it!

[@CogornoGolf]

Appreciate it, David!

[@briancrain1697]

Eric , I want to thank you for this. I never post comments but what you said about letting the left wrist unhinge down “ulnar deviation” has pretty much cured my shanks that I have been plagued with off and on for about two years. It has allowed me to replicate the feeling I get in my practice swing that I have never been able to achieve consistently when the ball is there. It allows me to get the club head behind me and then pour on the “3 right hands” through impact! I have watched endless videos and you are the first coach I have seen talk about this and make it so simple too! This is a game changer for me! Thank You!

[@CogornoGolf]

Love to hear that, Brian! My pleasure my friend!

[@keithmancinelli3170]

Thanks Eric! I have a hard time actually understanding some of the videos out there, not that they're all bad videos. You make some of these concepts clearer by showing the different angles, along with the straightforward explanations. Thanks for explaining in 3d vs the 2d. Great videos!

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks, Keith....appreciate it!

[@markryanpollard]

My God this is good. Trying to create "fake lag" a la Sergio circa early 2000s really jacked up my concept and got me into some bad wrist angles and steepness like you mention. The wrist is a complex joint but learning and Just paying attention to how it moves and how that afftects the clubface and shaft angles has been huge for me. Thank you!

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks Mark! Glad this one was helpful!

[@ZenGolf99]

"This $HIT is Simple!" Best Eric Quote!

[@CogornoGolf]

:)

[@brantbrice2551]

"This Shit is simple!" haha awesome! Great explanation Eric.

[@CogornoGolf]

:) thanks!

[@kevinstoopegolf]

This video helped me alot! I have always been taught the the wrists hinge up and down, but that leads to a steep downswing, and for me, early extension and standing up in the downswing. Thanks, Eric.

[@CogornoGolf]

Love to hear it Kevin

[@codycollender6368]

Late to this video but this has been game changing for me! I’ve had a super cupped wrist throughout my whole swing and have tried so many other swing fixes but never once thought of this. The next day after applying this, I shot a personal best 82. The day after that shot an 83. Crazy how much this has helped me. Thank you

[@CogornoGolf]

Love to hear that Cody! My pleasure

[@RJ-bf7fl]

Eric, check out golf channel swing expedition with Chris Como episode called somewhere in Texas. It’s all about how the wrist work in shallowing and using 3D computer model showing that all tour players use there wrist to shallow. Exactly what you are talking about 👍

[@CogornoGolf]

Love it! Chris is awesome! Jon Sinclair (who may be that guy in Texas he was with) and I talked about this this past off season at a conference and he is the one I got my info from in terms of the actual measurements!

[@wendog8234]

Awesome video. So well explained. A lot of people see the lag from front on and don’t realise it’s a 2d image, the club is just laying down which makes it look like an increase in hinge.

[@CogornoGolf]

For sure agreed

[@kylegibson9479]

No telling how many different golf instruction videos I've watched over the last year, and this is by far the most helpful. I hit fat shot after fat shot, and kept thinking I needed to hinge my wrists even more to generate lag - all the while I was continuing to come in steep, so maybe 1 out of 5 shots would look good. Thanks for this video. Eye opening for me

[@CogornoGolf]

Happy to hear that Kyle, sounds like your heading in the right direction! Hope it helps!

[@kshin2k]

Thank you Masta Cogorno !!!

[@CogornoGolf]

You got it :)

[@danger_close5652]

The man is a professional! He’s getting tore up by bugs but Eric stays on task!

[@CogornoGolf]

Lol tough out there

[@stephenthomson7842]

Interesting results, no more pushes, couple of hooks but mainly draws. The coolest thing was wedge control. Got some crazy spin even with 3/4 and half wedges. Noticed this Eric?

[@CogornoGolf]

Yes that sounds about right!

[@stefanrhonnstad4014]

Great video! A bowed wrist didn't only help me shallowing the shaft correctly, but also forced me to turn and keep the club face square before and through impact.

[@CogornoGolf]

Love it!!

[@pogiM3]

you are my golf coach now! correcting my grip from watching your videos worked! broke my 90 yesterday. thank you sir! subbed

[@CogornoGolf]

Love it! Lets do it!

[@edwardbrown6901]

Thank Eric .20 years of golf. And now I final got it..fantastic video..so easy finally get it..wow..where have you been!!!

[@CogornoGolf]

:) Better late than never!

[@darrenbyrne5345]

Just brilliant I'd like this video 1000 times if I could

[@FC-yw7cn]

Very helpful. lots of detail. Well done Eric

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks, Frank!

[@truthserum5681]

Bravo Eric… Just added one more of your exceptional video's to the must watch list. My local golf course should send you royalty checks as your expert advice has rejuvenated my interest in playing again and reaching the golfing holy grail.

[@CogornoGolf]

Lol I like the sound of that :) Hope they help my friend!

[@Hittingitsolid]

Great explanation Eric, the wrists play a key role in shallowing the golf club in the downswing and something all golfers need to practice. Cheers

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks!

[@yelldavid]

This is the lesson i needed

[@CogornoGolf]

Glad this one was helpful!

[@jbv2081]

Awesome video once again Eric. And thank you for saying it’s okay to downhinge

[@CogornoGolf]

Thank you sir! You got it my friend!

[@Babyben777]

This video changed my life. Thank you

[@CogornoGolf]

My pleasure :)

[@marcchitryn137]

Another super technical video, love to have the absolute correct definitions👍

[@CogornoGolf]

Yessir

[@aaronmccardie8795]

I was told many years ago to improve my wrist angles (positions) was to hit a Impact bag guess what i only had one lesson. This same UK coach was awarded 2015 advanced professional golf status this same guy could not hit a golf ball for toffee.when quizzed about certain moments in the swing and causes and when it should happen the answers were poor for not finding the root cause. In the end I asked another golf professional which I knew over the phone what may be the cause he instantly said check your wrist angles in the take away at the top and down swing instant improvement lower ball flights and draws which I never did ,just goes to show a golf coach my have all the tools and gadgets to give the impression he can teach .buy the way fantastic videos keep them coming from the UK.

[@CogornoGolf]

Hope these help, Aaron!

[@robo265]

By the way your tip on twisting the club on the backswing has really helped me thanks

[@CogornoGolf]

Love it!

[@chadcrosby3363]

These wrist angle videos have completely changed my ball striking for the better. Trying to get more lag in my swing totally messed it up. Thanks for putting me on right path. Great videos thanks for your time.

[@davidspence7887]

Same Chad. So damn simple but never saw anyone else teach this.

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks, Chad...my pleasure man, happy to help!

[@GimmieYoShoez]

This is game changer for me. I've been struggling with push slices forever! I think this will help massively. THANKS!!

[@CogornoGolf]

My pleasure man

[@randyrodiek8619]

Thank you for your detailed response. That helps

[@CogornoGolf]

My pleasure!

[@jerrythegolfer]

golden information thank you

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks Jerry! Our pleasure!

[@robo265]

Brilliant as usual thank you

[@CogornoGolf]

Appreciate it :)

[@davidspence7887]

Outstanding. Can't wait to practice this.

[@CogornoGolf]

Let me know how you do

[@steveash656]

Another good video Eric, very passionate. As for drills to achieve this, I'm practising your sloping stick technique. Initially it felt like I was swinging the club around my knees, but it's now feeling more natural. Definitely shallower, the camera does not lie, and lag too. Bravo sir.

[@CogornoGolf]

Excellent!

[@ericamin12]

@@CogornoGolf What's the "sloping stick technique?" Can you please explain? Thx!

[@markio2010]

Really great video. I always tried to let the weight of the club drop slightly to flatten the club but I rarely am very relaxed on the top of the swing to let it happen. Bowing is way easier and sort of a trigger for the downswing for my upper body dominant swing.

[@CogornoGolf]

Appreciate it! Hope it helps my friend!

[@regweekx]

Thanks , I was looking for this vid, I was hinging wrong and tried to shallow , that was not working, now I know why !

[@CogornoGolf]

:)

[@pdemaroi]

Eric, I've been looking for a video that explains how bowing the wrist can flatten your swing. Other videos just seem to talk about a bowed wrist or flattening the swing but, never mention how the bowed wrist can flatten the swing. Great video!

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks for watching my friend....hope it helps!

[@kfraser01]

A video on wrist angles which is easy to understand. You just made a boring topic into a valuable and important lesson.

[@CogornoGolf]

Appreciate it my friend!

[@peterjaeger5178]

Love the no BS approach. Q. Is casting on its own ok without adding more bowing? Or do u need both?

[@CogornoGolf]

Really depends on the person....just want people to know they go together

[@razakhan999]

great content Eric!! i started to try and hing more inthe downswing and it messed my ball striking up compared to when i tried to unhinge and bow ... going to go back to the feels you just mentioned .. thanks

[@CogornoGolf]

Love it!

[@jimpatterson2781]

Awesome why I can’t get this through my thick skull. I really appreciate how you articulate information I find that I can take it now just need to do it....

[@CogornoGolf]

:)

[@golfdoc1950]

Great video. Great concentration ignoring the swarm of gnats attacking you!

[@CogornoGolf]

:)

[@chestermicek]

I like this advice & I'll put it into my practice sessions to see how it works for me.

[@CogornoGolf]

Hope it helps my friend!

[@SammyPrairiechicken]

This is great, works like a charm! Thanks Eric

[@CogornoGolf]

MY pleasure!

[@Rich-in6ds]

Understanding this was a breakthrough moment from me. Being steep causes so many other issues (early-extension, loss of compression, out-to-in path etc.) all of which magically disappeared for me when I got shallow.

[@CogornoGolf]

Happy to hear that, Rich! Thank you for watching the channel!

[@gordonvance7704]

This is brilliant instruction!

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks Gordon!

[@thomaslahr9022]

Some light bulbs really going off for me with this one! Superb.

[@CogornoGolf]

Hope it helps my friend! Appreciate it

[@pm1a]

Love this video. You don’t mention pronating or laying down hands/forearm so glove logo faces the sky. Seems to be the holy trinity to shallowing: pronation, flexion and ulnar deviation in transition, no?

[@CogornoGolf]

Its PART of it.....more on those goodies here in detail I talked about: one of my favs on that topic: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWq6mZd3fNypbMU&pp=ygUfRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHNoYWxsb3cgYW5kIHNxdWFyZQ%3D%3D

[@erichmikula8922]

Phantastic Eric, I do my best to do it. Your`s Erich

[@snash970]

Great video!

[@CogornoGolf]

Appreciate it!!

[@thrillhouse4784]

This helped me immensely and it's really impressive that you can explain it from both viewpoints off both axis with the angles (shallow, lag) to the camera. You have several other videos on shallowing out but is this the most common fault? Your other video says it's the best shallow technique you know with the alignment sticks but it's more focused on the lower half of the down swing and not the top (where us caster/slicers struggle). And we don't see your side view, only back so I got a little disoriented. I guess the only thing confusing the heck out of me is the "letting gravity do the work" part and letting the club fall "into the slot". At the top of my swing I try to let my arms go limp to allow gravity but I know I'm doing it wrong, meanwhile my hips and shoulders are turning so that aspect is holding me up. Sorry for the essay, thanks greats vids

[@CogornoGolf]

Appreciate the kind words, Richard! I hope you find the solutions you are looking for!

[@ThePNWRiderWA]

That’s pretty complicated for myself. I find I can do the same thing by dropping my arms as I bump by hip to shift my weight. I keep the wrist angle and as I rotate it feels like the club is behind me. I think your videos are the best golf instructional ones on the web.

[@CogornoGolf]

Thats all good...the more simple the better

[@bladeeric7470]

Great vid Eric. You make a comment near the end about grip. Have you ever done a grip video? It seems to me that in order to achieve these wrist angles the grip is key.

[@CogornoGolf]

For sure! kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6Crn6yro650jdk kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWiaZ3-vq7JphsU kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnTKY4Jultmgj7s

[@CogornoGolf]

Last 2 are all about matching grip to wrist conditions....you will like them!

[@keyerichter9170]

I watched the live and my question was addressed, thanks. I still have a problem starting with front knee or hip but I found that having arms straight through finish helped me turn through. Not sure what feedback will let me know im compressing the ball. Of course range balls don't compress much. Any feedback with respect to concentrating on the arms, leading to hips and belt and chest open with turn? I swing half and hit it as good as full. Thanks

[@CogornoGolf]

Hey Keye! I would really have to SEE your swing on video to say for sure what YOU need to do.....because its very dependent on what you are currently doing. Join www.cogornogolf.com $49/mo so you can send me your swings and I can show ya

[@MartialGolf]

This is eye opening. Thanks

[@CogornoGolf]

My pleasure...hope it helps!

[@blinksbl]

brilliant thank you!!!

[@CogornoGolf]

Appreciate ya!

[@raleighrmb]

Its hard to believe how much comes down to being this basic. But it truly does, and once I heard it, and then went and paid attention to my swing, its an immediate, dramatic change.

[@CogornoGolf]

:)

[@foreshow1]

hilarious, finally non-fiction ..Eric u da man!

[@CogornoGolf]

:)

[@michaelforsyth-thompson146]

This was awesome thanks Eric! Question- backswing: top coaches (Mike Bender etc) seem to advocate to hinge early in the backswing, and err with a steeper shaft. When trying to do this, as per your video, it seems to create a cupped wrist angle in the backswing. My question to you is: how can you hinge early in backswing, err with a steeper shaft, and yet still have a flat wrist at the top of backswing to set you up for success to get shallow in transition? Hope that makes sense!

[@CogornoGolf]

You need a decent grip and then you need to GRADUALLY hinge.....too much hinge too much cup....not enough hinge, more bow. The answer is you dont hinge too much. You CANNOT hinge A LOT (maxed out) and have a flat left wrist. These are my thoughts on hinge backswing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hprGdnp4otqeqqs kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZm6f3mXeNamqZo Left wrist cupped at first parallel, flat by left arm parallel then to top for most.

[@michaelforsyth-thompson146]

@@CogornoGolf thank you so much! Difficult to find an instructor out there that is as clear and articulate as you Eric. Please keep them coming :)

[@roberthaar]

Better to have a cupped left wrist and a deep back swing at the top. The flattening of the left wrist as a first move promotes an in to out down swing. So many amateurs have trouble with this. Question. Do you subscribe to Harvey Pennicks magic move by intentionally bringing the right elbow down to the rib cage in front of right hip. This is a move I’ve recently incorporated to hit straighter longer shots. Thoughts?

[@CogornoGolf]

Hey Robert...thanks for the message. We seem to disagree here. Based on my experience coaching and studying I do not think its better to have a cupped left wrist and deep back swing at the top. In terms of bringing the right elbow in front....thats really dependent on the player. In particular their grip and their right arm shoulder internal/external rotation at the top of the backswing. Also depends on their body orientations.

[@billgromer4641]

I love your comments about wrist action, “this shit is simple”. How do I get those monthly lessons?

[@CogornoGolf]

Haha it is! Simple but not easy type of deal. Cogornogolf.com is the membership site, hop on there and you get everything. It's a no brainer IMO...swing feedback, community, all the videos, practice plans, etc. LMK if you have any questions

[@thomasfraser9072]

Hi Eric I too thought of simply unhinging my trail hand at the top of my swing and them smacking the ball with the back of my hand as you seem to suggest in this video. And to a certain extent it worked; but when my bowed hand felt the impact of the ball? Ouch! Later I leaned the Hogan did not consciously bowed his trail wrist as pictured in his 5 lessons at all; but the weight of the club head dragging behind was the actual causes of the bowing of the trail hand at impact So how is my swing today at 72? Fantastic and easily repeatable ever single time. How is that? You ask. By simply ignoring my hands and wrist all together and simply flicking my magic trail elbow at the transitional part of my downswing. Wham! My entire body responds and my swing is over at a blink of the eye. And as I look up I see that little ball soaring straight to my intended target. Cheers Try simply flicking your trail elbow at the start of your downswing and I guarantee you will increase accuracy and speed in your own swing. Cheers

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks for the feedback, Thomas! Something like this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXvToap6fNubo7s

[@robertdremluk810]

George Gankas views this differently. He uses legwork to shallow club and it works without even thinking about it. The idea of bowing wrist while conceptually a good idea leaves a lot to timing and leads to inconsistency because you cannot time the bowing and degree of bowing to be the same every time.On the other hand using legwork lets the club shallow naturally and avoids timing and inconsistency issues. I struggled with this and tired what you recommend. It may work for some, but the legwork was a lot simpler and easier for me.. BTW I love your videos and have found then to be very helpful. Good luck with the website.

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks man A couple of thoughts....none of these ARE AT YOU....just for people to see to avoid repeating.. 1. I don't think everyone needs to THINK ABOUT these movements, I'm simply explaining what needs to happen 2. If you can do it with legs, thats perfectly cool 3. A lot a lot a lot of normal amateur golfers (not breaking 80) simply cannot execute or dont have time to work different legwork into their game. Elite level athletes a different ball game 4. That idea that this adds more "timing" is so over played. I see what you're coming from, but how does this add any more timing than the timing of the leg work? 5. The idea in general that using hands "adds timing" is based on no actual facts. Not saying from you, just in general. Show me some facts that says thinking of your hands adds timing? 6. Making ONLY YOUR PIVOT shallow the shaft....show me anyone doing that with 75% of golfing population that shoot 90 or more? Love George, love his stuff.....show me the people shooting 100? What kind of players does he coach? Have to keep that in mind 7. And lastly, this video is just for people to understand the concepts, doesnt mean anyone has to think about it....BUT THEY SURE CAN.

[@pacypacman]

Eric Cogorno Golf Totally Agree with you! Love both of you and GGs swing thoughts! I would say George works with talented players and do videos mostly for really dedicated golfers. Your teaching i would say is more for everyone between 0-36 handicappers

[@qlooker41]

I have had just the opposite experience. I get much better contact by bowing my wrist to shallow. I tried the legwork thing favored by George Gankas, but it requires a measure of fitness that is beyond my level of commitment. I'm old and fat with bad knees. It took me a bucket of balls to figure out how to avoid hooking my golf ball, but after that, it was smooth sailing with Eric's tip.

[@imvincentblair8911]

Leg work and holding the arms up and behind can cause people to get stuck behind and block shots..if you have fast hips push blocks will happen unless you either slow your hip (bad) or bow wrist and drop arms into slot..it looks matched up which GG would agree

[@woodmo530]

Shallowing with leg work doesn't take less timing than bowing the lead wrist. It is a much bigger body movement with much more room for error which is why you see it being practiced so much in GG videos. It's a great move but you also see most of his players with high left arms and across the line to give adequate time for the legs to shallow the club. Lots of different ways to make it work.

[@wookim4611]

Great detailed explanation but what other adjustments does one need to be aware of if bowing the wrist seems to shut the club face at impact causing pulls to left?

[@CogornoGolf]

All depends on the person but some things you can do to offset that that would align with great ball striking 1. Add more rotation and or right side bend 2. Get the handle more forward 3. Swing direction more inside

[@rayrapp8929]

Another great video, thanks Eric. Just a quick question if you don't mind, if you put your left wrist into a position at the end of your backswing which is slightly bowed, would this encourage a better transition and impact position?

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks. Yes.

[@jakeallen476]

Great explanation homie.

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks man!

[@atorres0381]

This did wonders with my driver and irons Eric! But my wedges....shank city. Is it possible to be too much in to out with this feel?

[@CogornoGolf]

Hey AJ! Certainly! You can under-do or over-do anything really. Too much, too little, too early, too late, etc :) I would need to see your swing to say for sure...check out www.cogornogolf.com if you don't get it sorted so we can help!

[@atorres0381]

@@CogornoGolf Revisited this today at the range. This is gold! The feeling when unhinging feels like I'm early releasing but on camera, that shaft shallows perfectly and not even close to casting. It took me about 50 slow practice swings while hitting some balls to get my brain to understand this.

[@atorres0381]

Next step is to keep the body rotating.

[@randyrodiek8619]

Ok so could you briefly explain WHY shallowing is good. Does it create more separation between the club head and ball for more potential energy ? It would help me to know this.

[@CogornoGolf]

Sure, Randy! I have explained a few times, but not sure if its within any of the videos..here are some benefits that come to mind 1. Gives your body ability to rotate well (steep shaft creates a need to fix that by stalling) 2. Gives your body ability to keep extension/flexion rates of torso (steep same as above) 3. More clubhead speed 4. Shallower angle of attack (contact) 5. Promotes a neutral vertical swing plane (centered contact, not heel or toe) 6. Easier to control club face vs steep requires adjustments 7. Easier to control dynamic loft bc of rotation and pivot pieces mentioned above 7. Higher, farther shots because of angle of attack and dynamic loft control 8. straighter shots because of face control 9. More consistency because of ability to pivot and rotate well Those are a few off the top of my head, hope that helps

[@IRONEYEZ74]

Yeah you guys are liking that shallow shaft here like that but looking from here you guys are puking! LMFAO great wording! also this shit is simple its not easy but it's straight forward! to me ideally its common sense once its slowed down and thought about it more. So today I used one of your other videos where you stated that once the shaft is vertical on the back swing it makes it lighter. I used that concept and when I swung it was lighter and to me to get the club back to parallel on my front swing I naturally bowed my wrist and my club head speed was super fast and I crushed the ball with less effort. You have some great videos here and I watched at least 2 hours of your videos last night and it taught me straight forward and simple ideas on getting my swing back on path. Great fucking videos man! Over the last 2 weeks after meeting with my coach and getting my grip back to normal I was cutting my drive to the left everytime but now I feel like its coming back to straight.

[@CogornoGolf]

Haha love it man. Appreciate the kind words! Glad you like the videos, keep me updated with your progress!

[@michaelmcmillion6310]

Can you give some drills on how to shallow the club or work the wrist into the correct form?

[@CogornoGolf]

Would have to see your swing to give you specific advice.... In general to shallow search my name and "shallow your downswing" and you will see a ton on that Same on wrists

[@ronjacobson5112]

Eric I assume this is the same principle for the driver or fairway woods?

[@CogornoGolf]

Yes

[@leightonkekuewa4066]

I cannot wait to get out to the driving range!

[@CogornoGolf]

Was nice hitting balls outside for the first time in months the other day!

[@kylesolomon232]

If you have a strong grip, does it make sense to weaken the grip by moving right hand clockwise (right handed golfer) and introduce more bow to achieve shallowing?

[@CogornoGolf]

Thats ONE way. Not right. Not wrong. An option! Best to work with a coach to work through options that would work best for you. Would have to see a video of your swing to say for sure!

[@rogerscheuermann4409]

I would like to see an analysis on Bryson C and your opinion. GOOD video,

[@CogornoGolf]

That may be coming!

[@perrywiggins6567]

I like this version of Eric. 2018! Sassy.

[@CogornoGolf]

Lol :)

[@stevemiller5467]

Would bowing starting from the takeaway or middle of backswing be a bad move?

[@CogornoGolf]

You CAN do it early....only issue doing it early is if the club head gets too far inside early causing an over the top steep downswing reaction

[@tclures]

Hi Eric, love the videos... I have a strong grip, always have...is it easier to bow the wrist for shallowing with a strong grip or should it be more neutral/weakish?

[@CogornoGolf]

Either can work.... Some may argue weaker grip/more flexion would be easier. I could argue either. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWiaZ3-vq7JphsU kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqncfZt6iMSIqK8

[@stuey2112]

This gave me an “ ah-hah” moment ! Thank you 🙏

[@CogornoGolf]

:)

[@lendzubow]

So many videos on shallowing the shaft but few explaining why shallowing is necessary or helpful. If you swing back correctly on plane why would you not want to swing down on the same plane rather than changing it to a new shallower plane?

[@CogornoGolf]

Ill do a video on "why" to shallow

[@lendzubow]

Thanks!!! Years ago it was never mentioned or written about and now shallowing videos are abundant- it will really be helpful to know why it’s such a key part of the swing

[@jeffdillinger4644]

great one!

[@CogornoGolf]

Thanks, Jeff!

[@plentyofouts]

Hey Eric. Very interesting. Struggled whole career trying to shallow, usually trying to do the opposite of what you said...What would constitute a casting action in your opinion? I always assumed that early ulnar deviation of the left wrist is part of it, and i still think it is. So my question is what additional factors turn a bowing left wrist that is also ulnar deviating into a casting action? Is it just the bowing that turns a casting action into a shallow lagging action?

[@CogornoGolf]

1. The idea of a cast being "bad" came from people watching video in 2D not 3D 2. "cast" would be commonly referred to as ulnar deviation, yes 3. Ulnar deviation isn't really the issue 4. Flexion/extension is really the problem 5. IF you BOW and add ulnar deviation ("cast") is a "cast" then bad? 6. We decided a "cast" is a bad thing. We made that up. If you add flexion to it you would look like a tour star

[@plentyofouts]

Eric Cogorno Golf That’s great thanks Eric 👍 Know you’ve done another video on this but a tip to anyone out there struggling with this. Totally weaken the pressure in the left hand grip and wrist to where it feels it can’t even lift the club. Feel the swing as a right hand action and the left wrist is free then to bow naturally in reaction to the right hand hinge coming down. My left wrist would never flex coming down even when I tried. Problem was way too much tension in the left wrist.

[@sambrown4267]

I understand the wrist angles. But I struggle with the “how to” aspect. After doing the same $hit cupping for so long, how do I retrain my muscle memory to flatten or bow??

[@CogornoGolf]

Hey Sam! Lots of options....I in particular like the tee in the glove way to practice this kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmqqdX2firh5fNk kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHjUi32go6l0ZrM

[@stevenhochman1]

Hi Eric, How about the secret to getting the driver & other clubs face square at impact?

[@Geep1778]

Steven Hochman I’ll tell you but it’s a million dollar question so whenever your ready... lol.

[@CogornoGolf]

Same stuff...Supination, flexion, grip...etc.

[@thrillhouse4784]

@@CogornoGolf does this mean rolling your wrists a bit like turning a door knob before impact? This whole shallowing is new to me and my otherwise good swing. I dont roll my wrists at all currently. But it was mention in a youtubers shallowing vids

[@ericcros8959]

Bonjour hello super vidéo just a question do i also have to shallow my swing if i want to play back spin with my wedges at the same speed a reduction of the attack angle is suppose to produce less spin,? Merci

[@CogornoGolf]

Plane changes less and less with the wedges Why? Because the swing is shorter. The club only "shallows" if it gets long enough to get off "plane" so it can get back on "plane"

[@integrito3323]

Go on, Eric! Tell us what you think, why don't yuh! "Your wrist angles are jacked up! For what ever reason. Your grip stinks..........." Nice! Liked!

[@CogornoGolf]

:)

[@integrito3323]

@@CogornoGolf Rewatching! You da man, Eric! This in conjunction with your Magical video, aptly named (The Magic Triangle) on why one wants to be shallowing the shaft! Then we have a Home Run, my friend! I don't think anywhere near enough of us understand why we should want to shallow the shaft! It has taken me 47 years and that video to know! Thanks, Mate! Da Man! All day long!

[@randyunderwood2894]

haha..you just went Hogan on us. love it.

[@plentyofouts]

Eric, can you make head or tail of what Mike Malaska teaches with regards to this? He basically wants to feel the shaft tipping up more vertically with the hands coming straight down and the torso feeling 'closed' while this happens. Essentially the polar opposite of what your saying as far as i can tell. To me, this is as close to flat out wrong as you can get, if we're gonna use the best ball strikers in history as empirical examples. Perhaps you get what he's saying better than i and love to know if you have an opinion?

[@CogornoGolf]

Yeah-I think Mike seems like a great guy. Seems like he gets good results so maybe one day I will need to head out and watch him coach some day. I think a key point may be what he wants you to FEEL vs what he actually wants you to do. Getting the shaft vertical and keeping the body closed is simply not what good ball strikers do. Not Eric's opinion....thats a fact. Measured fact many times over. Maybe thats the way he gets people to do what they need to do.....but I don't do it that way. Never have....don't see that changing but who knows?

[@krissantamaria8578]

Love the videos! Somewhat related Question: does lead arm depth and shallowness of swing change with shorter vs longer irons? Or should you try to have the same depth and shallowness regardless of club? Love the wrist angle clarifications also! Thanks again

[@CogornoGolf]

Thank you! Good questions! Of course there will be MICRO differences because of the change of length of club, lie angle and loft. But MACRO....YOU should be trying to do more or less the same exact thing.

[@andrewp3713]

Nice video bro 👍, i have a strong ish grip so when i go to top with a flat left wrist club face is pointing to the sky should i weaken it ? I have been suffering with over draws all sesaon

[@CogornoGolf]

Yeah, either neutralize grip or leave a little cup at the top. OK to have a little cup at the top with strong grip. Also if you're over drawing you want to watch how to cure your hook video and get that 3rd practice station in front of you

[@andrewp3713]

@@CogornoGolf so a little cup at the top but in transiton work towards bowed ? Thanks eric by the way your ball striking sounds sick on vidoes!!!👍

[@CogornoGolf]

Haha thanks dude...don't have to necessarily have to bow ever if your grip is strong enough

[@andrewp3713]

@@CogornoGolf i think i am going down the grip route because the release feel more free i hate feeling like have to hold it off !👍

[@danger_close5652]

Lol “ you love it” “you love it”

[@CogornoGolf]

:)

[@usersrule]

Eric, this makes sense to me, but I feel like when I try to shallow the shaft, I cast it. Without seeing me, what should I work on?

[@CogornoGolf]

Aha....without seeing you I cannot say for sure :)

[@chestermicek]

Add this to your practice routine: on your downswing try to stab yourself in the liver with your right elbow. If you don't understand what I just wrote, look at video of Dustin Johnson's swing. Peter Finch is another fine example of this scything of the right elbow to a point between the right hip point & the liver.

[@libsrcrazy9634]

So many simple minds here loving that you said the word ‘shit’ lol.

[@CogornoGolf]

:)