Good and Bad Shape | Basic Go Techniques: Lesson 5

[@boubakersoltani4566]

What makes this channel special is the "justification" of every detail no matter how small it is. Thanks Mr Vadim.

[@GoMagic]

Not sure how we justify the details but thank you! =)

[@robsonclark9678]

​@@GoMagicI think they mean you explain the "why" nicely for why a move was good or bad?

[@metasystem8625]

The quality of this video is amazing. Board and stones aesthetically laid out, the little handwave to get rid of examples, the little animation (with sound!) at 5:36.... Marvelous. This, in addition to the calm demeanor and cuts between talking to the viewer and looking at the board, makes this just a joy to watch.

[@GoMagic]

So very happy that you're enjoying this!

[@robsonclark9678]

agreed!

[@gertistamherd]

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[@GoMagic]

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[@dr.s.p.]

I have found this channel to be one of the best; thoroughly explaining each facet being addressed without being long winded and boring, like so many channels. His website is also one of the best, allowing someone to get a feel for what is on offer free before being forced to commit to something that might be terrible. All in all he has great presentations that take a beginner by the hand each step of the way to becoming proficient. Subscribed!

[@GoMagic]

Thank you! That's exactly what we were aiming for.

[@RisibleYak]

Underrated channel, underrated game. Keep these vids up

[@GoMagic]

Yes sir! =)

[@ohio99999]

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[@GoMagic]

Thanks!

[@ReflectionOcean]

Understand the concept of good and bad shapes in Go for efficient and flexible play. 0:07 Recognize that a good shape can make eyes and connect stones, while a bad shape lacks these qualities. 0:30 Assess stone shapes intuitively for simplicity and lack of redundancy. 0:51 Avoid creating shapes that are easily attacked or leave weaknesses. 2:03 Consider a good shape move to proactively prepare for the next plays while maintaining flexibility. 2:45 Identify shapes like the tiger's mouth that can actively defend and create territory. 4:47 Explore options and choose moves that give you more possibilities rather than limiting choices. 6:08 Utilize aesthetic intuition for shape as a guiding principle in Go strategy. 6:33 Connect stones effectively with shapes like a double tiger's mouth for a secure configuration. 7:10 Employ good shapes such as a tiger's mouth when making life to ensure survival. 8:35 Prepare to learn about life and death in Go, focusing on making two eyes with good shape. 9:01

[@mumbo2526]

Such a great Video! I started playing 1 year ago and I sometimes heard this concept of shape, but never gave it much attention since recently. Now it has become one of my favorite parts of Go! Can’t wait for your next Videos, you are great!

[@GoMagic]

Yep, shape is one of our favorite concepts in Go too. More videos are coming! =)

[@dantealighieri4009]

Great video, as always. Will watch it carefully 👍🏼

[@GoMagic]

Hope you like it. Shapes are a really important and also beautiful concept in Go.

[@felixcuello]

Can't stop watching your videos. This is fantastic, Thank you very much.

[@GoMagic]

Addiction grrrrrrows! =)

[@learningisfun273]

Excellent content. Perfect balance of intuition and analytics. This is how Go should be taught

[@GoMagic]

Thanks!

[@mycatis4257]

This is one of the best channels on KZbin, period. Your videos are so well constructed, edited, and taught. It’s really inspiring! Not only as a new Go player but in terms of education overall. I can’t imagine a better educational channel, and that is awesome! Amazing work!

[@GoMagic]

Yassss! Better than Pewdiepie and Mr. Beast! =)

[@domd6789]

Ok the music notes thing blew me away. Makes me wonder how much go can connect to music.

[@dorpus]

The supposed interconnection between classical harmony and math, science was big in the 1980s. Ultimately, the metaphors tend to be misleading.

[@GoMagic]

We love the interconnectedness of different arts =)

[@dorpus]

@@GoMagic I guess I'm not so easily amused.

[@GoMagic]

well...I guess you're not =) but we'll keep trying

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Watched like. 20 videos still couldnt play the game well. This channel has already taught me more than those 20 videos in 5 videos.

[@GoMagic]

Can hardly wait to see how strong you'll get after you watch most of these videos. Scary! =)

[@charleschristov]

Very good beginner’s lesson, thank you!

[@GoMagic]

More lessons coming soon!

[@orderkyus89]

This channel is soooo good!!

[@GoMagic]

Thank you!

[@alvarocastroregueiro]

active defense such a good concept. A deadly counterattack is always the best defense jajajja

[@iPhonepromax-gu7bw]

this channel is awesome. easy to understand with sound metaphores😊 plus, voice is calm and poise, also helpful while getting into sleep😂

[@GoMagic]

Noooooo, you shouldn't sleep! =)

[@johnjantzen7508]

I’m a jazz musician and this is making me want to play bad shapes 😂

[@GoMagic]

I knew there would be some tritone and weird chord jazz fans who would find a basic major chord boring and therefore would dislike the good shape... =)

[@IanFernandes-ch7bj]

I like wen he says smash the like button.❤ I really like the video

[@GoMagic]

He says that in every video. Watch them all! =)

[@alvarocastroregueiro]

Im happy, im resolving almost all of the problems right with just few seconds of thinking jajajaj

[@Trevie3]

Awesome stuff thank you

[@Jan-fw7qz]

Thanks ❤❤❤

[@haiyashi01]

Great video

[@GoMagic]

Thanks!

[@ohio99999]

8:16 white 2,2

[@GoMagic]

This is a beginner video, remember? =)

[@Ryöken17]

at the end, white should have play a tricky stone where black next move were, just to make this tiny shape a 1 eye shape

[@mister10x54]

❤

[@orangemanbad]

You make me want to play go.

[@GoMagic]

Yep, exactly! And we can teach you how to play Go! We have a free course on the rules. gomagic.org/courses/go-rules/

[@pepijnhuvenaars]

The final example. Isn’t the 2nd eye a false eye? If white surrounds and jumps in there are no liberties left, right.

[@GoMagic]

As soon as White starts surrounding it, Black will add a move and make that second eye. Yes, it's not yet complete.

[@Andromedia_]

I am a little bit confused. I have started to learn Go a few weeks ago and i thought i got the term "alive". Now I am not sure anymore. Why is the shape at 9:05 alive? Cant white set this structure in atari in around 3 moves? Btw. great Videos! Such a cool channel! The best I have found for Go 😊 keep it up :)

[@GoMagic]

Thank you! 😊 Really happy to hear you're enjoying the channel! As for your question... White won't be able to take away all of Black's liberties. And even if they try to surround the group, Black will connect, and there's no way to remove those eyes. Here's our video about eyes in Go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rau7nYyaa6mheJI

[@Andromedia_]

Alright thank you for the answer :) I will watch this 👍😊

[@latostadorano]

I enjoyed this video a lot

[@GoMagic]

😄

[@dorpus]

I've had plenty of tsumego problems where the only correct answer was to make ugly, inelegant shapes.

[@GoMagic]

Fair enough. You must also know that there are no 100% solutions in Go, while this video is trying to give a general rule of thumb to complete beginners. Once they become a lot stronger, they will discover all of those wonderful and weird shapes when making a bulky 5 can be the only move... 😄

[@dorpus]

@@GoMagic I am referring to "beginner" tsumego problems, where most of the time, the answer is to make those inelegant shapes. You are teaching beginners the wrong information.

[@boubakersoltani4566]

Sir, I think you mean: Mr Vadim is giving newbies incomplete information, and you know incomplete is not equivalent to wrong. It is true that there are as much situations of correct bad shapes as you have referred to, but teaching pedagogy is about sequential feeding of information. If he warns them about every important aspect in one video, and those aspects have contradictory ones, newbies will be easily confused and they won't be able to form a solid base in their minds, hence no effective learning. But with that partial purposeful focus of assuring importance, they will wrap their heads around it until it stabilizes within them. Only then, Mr Vadim will make them other videos to teach them about the incompleteness of the previous info. The difference is that here they are able to adapt easily because the previous concepts are nearly intuitive for them. Remember, these are complete beginners not just beginners. Sorry for my English if not proper. Thanks Sir for the idea of your remark. @@dorpus

[@GoMagic]

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better!

[@gavinrooney7582]

@@boubakersoltani4566 "Sorry for my English if not proper." Best subtle flex ever. A simple English saying can explain @dorpus Comment about teaching wrong information. "“To every rule there is an exception" The fun version is actually "“To every rule there is an exception-and an idiot ready to demonstrate it."

[@johnrissmiller7683]

In example one, at the end after black plays, you say that white probably extends up, but why wouldn't white play right underneath black and threaten capturing the two bottom black stones, forcing black to connect, and then being in an ugly shape once again?

[@GoMagic]

You mean here? 2:06

[@johnrissmiller7683]

​@@GoMagic I mean at 2:49 or so

[@GoMagic]

If White puts two Black stones into atari, Black will connect, and White will also need to connect their stones.

[@ohio99999]

6:56 here, white should not put at 6,5 ,white can put at 3,5 and get the side and corner

[@GoMagic]

Hmmm not sure what you mean here

[@dmitriivinogradov7868]

What course is this video in?

[@GoMagic]

This is a new remake version of "Fundamentals of Go on 13x13". Once it's fully edited, we'll release it on the website and replace the old version.

[@yusufkeremdogan32]

There is a mistake in the last example. If black plays to the spot you indicated and then white plays to its upper left corner, two eyes will not form. Black dies😮 Correct me if I'm wrong😊

[@GoMagic]

Hey. Just to make sure we're on the same page, could you drop the timestamp where you noticed this? The last example was in the lower right corner, and I'd love to double-check it.

[@mintmax]

Usually love your videos, but I don't think feel is a good way to think of good/bad shape. For example, an empty triangle can be shown to be a bad shape though how inefficient it is; it only has 7 liberties while a 3-stick has 8

[@GoMagic]

You are speaking from experience as a stronger player who already understands shapes well. 😄 We are getting to that explanation in the next course of the trilogy - Deeper into the fundamentals on 19x19.

[@mintmax]

@@GoMagic What I mean to say is, it's harder to hear as a beginner that "bad shape is about feeling", than it is "bad shape is about liberty counts and cutting points". The latter really helps to demystify what bad/good shape is, something I've only seen done well in one video ever

[@GoMagic]

Care to share that video? I'd love to see it! You might be right, but I'm a big fan of a more metaphorical approach to any explanation. =)

[@iPhonepromax-gu7bw]

in 8:18, white shouldn't connect. instead, he would invade the middle preventing eyes.😂

[@GoMagic]

Okay, Mr Strong Player =)

[@Trehek]

But that wouldn't help demonstrate how and why black can live with better shape.

[@jacktinney]

Are you a musician?

[@GoMagic]

Vadim is a jack of all trades 🧐