Good Good Explains Handicap Misconceptions

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[@cameronspach220]

You guys should play a really easy course from the whites and show everyone just how good you guys are!!!

[@blast3718]

Mo's real handicap: 9+ (Words with 9 or more letters)

[@Dannyhollyw00d]

this got me haha

[@Every04]

There’s also the fact that in a lot of good good videos they would play everything “as a lateral hazard” as opposed to stroke and distance when it called for it and that would result in lower scores.

[@Tom_Swift]

Exactly this, and so many golfers get this rule wrong (conveniently)

[@claybrinkman533]

It would result in lower scores, but those scores don't get posted for their handicaps. If you have a handicap, you can look up anyone in the GHIN database and view their scores. Garrett's 20 posted scores go all the way back to June. They're only posting scores where they play legitimate golf. Garrett's break 65 series uses provisionals, he plays the ball down, etc. There's also the Good Good Pro Major where everyone played it like it was a sanctioned tournament. Those are the types of rounds that get posted to your handicap.

[@Every04]

⁠@@claybrinkman533idk man when they started using handicaps and promoting the GHIN app they said they went back and posted scores for rounds they played I don’t think they were super very serious about the rules for a lot of the backfill rounds they used. There is no way GRats handicap is really as close to Brads as it currently is, if it were he would be competitive with Brad in at least some of these handicapped rounds and he never is. Over time if they keep playing with the real rules I won’t have any argument and old rounds will drop off but for now I don’t think those rounds they backfilled are all exactly correct.

[@exvagoergosum]

LOL. Not only that... There's a dozen of rules violations in each video. Mr CLARKE is precisely the king of the "convenient drop". I've never seen a GG member play a provisional ball from the tee, do they even what it is ? If I could play OB situations like lateral hazards on my home course, I'd be a +5 too....

[@christophergolfer]

Garrett knows what provisionals are, he literally played college golf tournaments, relax. 😂

[@zacharydietz6237]

This is so needed. I’m a 4-5 handicap and any time I shoot bogey golf my friends tell me I’m full of shit. Can’t help it if my better rounds are with my club or if I play harder courses and back tees. People don’t get the fact that it’s your better rounds and not relative to par either. Gonna be sharing this for sure 👍

[@mre_man]

You havent played one good round with your friends??? Okay bud lol

[@kevan4852]

@@mre_man From the sound of it, his friends aren't members at his club where he usually plays, so when he does get to play with them it's somewhere different and they play from the tips whereas he may normally play from the member tees at his club. I can relate to that. Most of my friends near my age who golf can't afford to be members or even play semi-regularly like I do, so it's always someplace different if we do play, which is just a handful of times a year.

[@CBrown3194]

I dont know any 4-5 hcp player that will go out and play "bogey golf" AKA +18....... if youre EVER shooting a 90, def not a 4-5, prob more like 8-10hcp....... Im a 3-5 hcp year round....I dont remeber the last time I shot above 82

[@mre_man]

@@kevan4852 they aint good friends if u cant invite them to play at your home club man! When i invite people to play at my club they dont pay!

[@kevan4852]

@@CBrown3194 "That's like, your opinion man" ... kudos if you get the movie reference. At any rate, happy for you, but not everyone is fortunate enough to be that consistent. And not everyone's game travels well, which was my main point, though I may not have made it well. Keep shootin em straight!

[@RaffiRexer-dp4qt]

after reading all the comments, I see a youtube coming out called: Good Good Explains Handicap Misconceptions PART II :)

[@RunnaNo1]

You guys should add the slope rating to your intro screens on videos and let people go and answer their own questions instead of chirping in the comments. Great video though!

[@PaddyP538]

💯

[@Tincupflipper]

Great video. My request for your channel would be a golf etiquette video. You have a very strong pull with young college age golfers. I'm seeing more and more at the course which is awesome for the game. What isn't awesome is how they drive their carts all over the course and drive or walk Infront of the people they are playing with because they see you guys doing that. I know you say it's to speed play up, but the newbies to the game don't understand that. Last week I saw three 20-25 years old guys playing golf in three separate carts and after one hit they would hop in the cart and literally drive up the fairway while the other person was hitting. Then they would hang out around the green while they hit up. When I thought that, my first thought was most of your videos you guys are hitting while standing on or around the greens. These kids see that and want to do the same. I'm just saying. Use this platform that you built to help the new guys getting into golf to understand simple rules and course care to make them a life long golf fan.

[@prxyz.]

it don’t matter

[@JasonkmLi]

Good Good comments went from: "You guys should get official handicaps so that everyone has a chance to win the majors" And then they became: "I don't know how the handicap system works, but I don't believe you"

[@poz6294]

Haha exactly this.

[@ScottDreyfus]

The best thing about being an adult is not having to give a 💩 what the peanut gallery has to say since KZbin is even a real place. It’s one giant ad and if you waste a second of your time worrying about trolls online you may need professional help. Love and hate all move the algorithm. It’s the same emotion at the end of the day.

[@poz6294]

@ScottDreyfus the best part about being an adult is that i can have froot loops for breakfast when ever I want.

[@JAYBILLION_DOLLAR]

I've been saving for a long time instead of investing, and right now I only have about $516k. I'm not sure how to make it grow, considering all the inflation, into something substantial that I might use for retirement. I'm just here for ideas.

[@poz6294]

@@JAYBILLION_DOLLAR coke and hookers my man.

[@Bech285]

Only in the US do you need a video explaining the handicap system to people watching golf videos haha!

[@RaffiRexer-dp4qt]

Great video, and I appreciate the effort in clearing up the handicap misconceptions! I understand everything you explained, but I think you missed one of the biggest points: GoodGood often plays with incorrect drops. For example, when you can’t find a tee shot, dropping and hitting your 3rd shot saves at least one stroke. According to USGA rules, you’d need to either drop and hit your 4th or go back and rehit. Also, for a USGA handicap round, you can’t play the ball up, and you can’t give 3-4 footers either. It’s a shame this wasn’t mentioned, especially with Terry from the USGA on. Overall though, great video!

[@joshfry575]

all that they would need to say to clear that up is that their videos are not posted for score on GHIN

[@danreed2189]

Ah Hah! It all makes sense now! Thanks for doing this.

[@HarryRees]

I'll tell you what else is hilarious. Everyone complaining is also completely ignoring the fact that using the exact handicaps they claim are fake, and using the GHIN app, the last few months of videos have been some of the most closely competitive GG videos, including majors, ever. So everyone's handicap is baloney but somehow they work perfectly in practice? Lol

[@HuntForParfection]

If Steve stops taking 10ft gimmes and playing lateral hazards for every OB shot he makes, maybe I'll start believing his handicap.

[@Yamez420]

He never posts either, id say 6-8 if he posted more but his 4 is more believable than riggs 4 too lmao

[@KevinBostwick]

same goes for bubbie and blake LOL

[@nathanwoods1927]

Top comment says a lot. Playing the game by the actual rules of golf and nothing less. I think a lot of people feel if each good good member played 20 tournament rounds their handicap would be starkly different from their current handicap. Tournaments from my knowledge, otherwise known as competitive rounds, assist your handicap, but some of the rules good good plays by assists the guys by several strokes each round. Personally I would say there are more golfers who believe their handicap is a lot lower than it likely really is, simply because a lot of people don’t play competitively and/or by the rules of golf accurately which assists them by several strokes each round.

[@pjswearing]

Thanks guys! Everyone saying playing “OB as hazard” “incorrect drops” everyone does that unless you’re playing in tournaments or league. Keeping up pace of play is important when you’re playing a country club or public coarse. I’ve never seen someone go back to a tee and re-hit. Thats just dumb. We’re not the pro’s.

[@nickjones5582]

I agree completely here. But all you have to do is hit a provisional if you think your first might be OB.

[@pjswearing]

@@nickjones5582 I agree, everyone should hit one a provisional.

[@Every04]

@@pjswearing you can absolutely drop off an OB shot for pace of play but you still have to assess stroke and distance and you’re laying 3 hitting 4. That is different from playing everything lateral hazard and dropping 2 hitting 3.

[@KingKarlTNT]

No we don't... If I play like that I don't enter my score. It's simple when I can't find my ball I'll take an illegal drop but then not post my score and if playing for money the hole would be a zero pointer.

[@pjswearing]

All very valid points guys. I totally agree with all of you. Just giving them the benefit of the doubt, it’s possible they don’t count those rounds also on their handicaps, and I’d rather just believe them than to doubt them.

[@MrHasenfeffer]

I don't understand why people get so bent out of shape about this. Let's say the lateral drops and preferred lies are reducing their handicaps by a few strokes. This only hurts them when playing in a competition. I'd rather play against someone using a vanity handicap than a sandbagger in a tournament. If you have a 15+ handicap, you are nowhere near as good as most of the guys on good good. I bounce between 13 and 16, and I wouldn't stand a chance against any of them, except on my best days.

[@giovannioquendo6305]

It’s because it’s a clearly blatant lie and people don’t like when others are lying about things

[@gamebaggolf]

This is a great point, stroke and distance is used far less in tournaments where there are ball spotters or spectators, the chance of losing your ball is much lower. USGA need to sort this out as club golfers get over penalised with strokes for not having an army of people looking for their ball.

[@mre_man]

Good good are the ones bent out of shape clearly by making these lame videos to defend their vanity cap!

[@TMar1961]

It's your 8 best rounds WHEN PLAYING BY ALL THE RULES OF GOLF. That is the key issue you have to deal with; no OB being reduced to a lateral hazard (take the stroke and distance then rehit), play everything as it lies, NO GIMMIES. It's golf as it was intended for competition and there are literally thousands of handicap leagues around the USA where a 15 handicap is competing with a +5 and has a chance to/does win.

[@davidmiller3830]

louder for the people in the back

[@krackergrit]

Jesus christ is youtube golf not pga there not playing for a million dollar prize

[@TMar1961]

@@krackergrit Irrelevant, it's an official handicap so it must be obtained by playing by the rules. They literally tell you this in the GHIN rules, if you don't play by the rules the round is not eligible for use in the handicap system. That man explaining the system will tell you the exact same thing.

[@claybrinkman533]

​@@TMar1961Those rounds don't get posted. Go look at the score postings for some of the guys in the group. Bubbie and Blake's 20 rounds go all the way back to April. Garrett's go to June. Matt's go back to May of 2023

[@TMar1961]

@@claybrinkman533 You actually strengthened my point, if you are going to use the GHIN system to determine a handicap for a given video then play by the rules to make the GHIN work properly, Brad and Garrett have been doing this in recent videos so props to them. I'm going to watch them either way because it's entertaining, but use the GHIN properly and the chirping will all but disappear.

[@berrybne1114]

Brad loves that Christmas tee 😂

[@alexlindsey6446]

I think you guys missed a great opportunity here to explain it all the way from ground 0 as if the person listening knows nothing at all. You jumped into full convo with terms and references that need understood before attempting to understand your explanations. If you guys just close your eyes & listen back...pretending you know nothing about golf... are you happy with the explanations about how the handicap system works. I happen to understand it but that doesn't matter there's a lot of people that don't. It's almost like a conversation here where you just start talking midsentence. The man from the USGA should have taken charge and done a better job at this. This was a good idea for someone that was a little fuzzy but had the overall idea this did not help the person that just truly doesn't get it whatsoever. Brad is the best of everyone at explaining this and I've seen him do it before in the videos he has the best way of making it clear. I'm gonna guess the man from the USGA did not fully grasp why you're making this video if he did he would have brought it down to the ground floor before he started ... its as if he started on a step 3 sidebar explanation about it and then just moved right on 45 and 6 there was no step 1 step 2 nice and clear nice and simple. I love you guys I truly do but I honestly feel if you few listen back and just listen with a total open mind pretend you don't know anything about how handicaps works.... Did you meet your objective of explaining it? That would be the question I would want to answer if I were one of you guys.

[@timmyotoole6063]

Maybe you guys could start implementing a graphic at some point in each of your videos that displays the course rating and slope of the course you're about to play

[@kevan4852]

Would be neat to see, but if the chirpers actually cared, they could easily do a quick google search. The internet is full of people who just want something to gripe about or pick apart. They don't actually care that much, and if they do, they're a little too invested in a youtube channel.

[@lupitomendoza8929]

I always knew they played difficult courses, so it made sense to me. I thought it was super obvious. I cant sit here and compare breaking even at my local public course to the nicer ones we have out here.

[@pascalpezet]

Yeah except that they count shouldn’t count their rounds, where they play lateral hazards, place their balls and do gimmes. Love the guys and still think they’re all great golfers but all their handicaps are at least 3 shots too high each besides Brad maybe. And it’s ok, they play YT golf, not comps, so no one should care too much, however this can be a bit misleading to people who don’t know that type of stuff.

[@claybrinkman533]

And they don't count them. Go look up their histories of posted scores.

[@brandoncarpenter9681]

Put the golf course rating, yards, and differential in your videos at the from end.

[@anthonymancini4930]

You guys should add on to this video with a video with fans that have a more average handicap. Play a course you guys would typically play, but add in some channel fans that have a handicap of 10-20, straight up stroke play and show the difference in scores. Link this video to it and then have a section at the end that explains how the handicap system played into that particular round.

[@aarondean1673]

Thanks for the informative video! It would be cool to see how the course is playing at the start of your rounds if possible. E.g Erin Hills is playing at 78

[@ryanlort7727]

Glad they made this video for some of these ignorant people out there. The biggest thing, which ive explained on past videos, is they are playing courses from long distances and high ratings. When the rating is 78 and you shoot a 77 its still a +1 handicap. But for some reason people dont seem to understand that.

[@claybrinkman533]

Exactly. People shoot 84 from the whites at their local 67.2/105 course and think that means they have a 12 handicap. Nope, that's an 18 differential. It's just people that don't understand. As much as I love that golf courses are thriving right now, it really sucks what the COVID boom did to the average knowledge and etiquette base of the people who golf.

[@alecsiegrist6277]

Exactly, it’s satisfying to see someone understands. Course rating factors big into the equation, and also the handicap system only counts your 8 best scores. Some people don’t understand a 0 index doesn’t mean they shoot even or break par every single time they go out there.

[@tomwright6852]

Yep, it’s insane how bent out of shape people are getting about it. It clearly is working for helping them be able to give realistic handicaps for their videos, evidenced by the Stableford was insanely close, and Bubbie (who people seem to doubt most) winning, which makes sense to me given his distance and ability to clutch up. Also was a huge fan of Bubbie trying to play safe golf in that video taking irons off the tee rather than just trying to hit bombs off every tee box.

[@ryanlort7727]

@@alecsiegrist6277 i am a golf pro so if I didn't understand it that would be sad lol

[@TheVillest]

yes, most people don't understand handicaps are based off the course rating from whatever tees you play. but, with that said, i do still think the handicap system is very flawed. most golfers, even better players play to their handicaps about 20% of the time or even less. only counting your best most recent 8 rounds isn't really a true reflection of a players actual ability. that might be their best days but to throw out the other 80% of your rounds isn't very logical. what better represents a players ability, the 1 out 5 or the other 4 rounds lol🤷‍♂

[@ScottDreyfus]

Where you play matters . It’s a sliding scale based on your potential and the differential with course rating and slope . The harder the course the lower your capp will be. My home club is 152 slope and 76.7 course rating you have a five shot differential so if you shot 72 even you’d be a plus 5 possibly slightly lower. My course avg is 75.7 but my handicap is +2.7 right now. I play almost all my golf at Sage Valley and Shinni.

[@albertogarcia9590]

The Divots Dudes are definitely not the handicaps they claim

[@Laker3593]

Good video to answer handicap system, I must have a lot of bad days😂, thanks guys

[@EldredMerricks]

I think also if there was an app that utilized our handicap to tell us what we should shoot based on the course/slope from each tee box for the course we are playing to put a realistic goal out there before a round would be awesome!!

[@mattc8347]

So many nerds in the comments it’s KZbin golf you’re here for the content and personality not for them to win a major they’re just dudes having fun I’m sure everyone complaining is either a 15 and above handicap or not fun to play golf with at all relax and step away from the keyboard

[@birdman5jh]

I think the only thing that might be a little out of wack is that, for speed of play you guys drop a lost ball like it was in a penalty area when it wasn’t a penalty area. Unless there’s a speed of play local rule, it should have been played 3 from the tee.

[@jordan3305]

I thought I was watching halo because of the intro music after 3 seconds after the start 😂

[@EphraimJH]

Gimme a Labs video of Brad or perhaps Sean helping Luis dial in that slice to a baby fade

[@velcrogrip1]

Would love to see Brad take on a 50 hcp with strokes 😂

[@solson223]

Good conversation and explanation. I do think the system is a bit flawed though. Player A shoots 20 rounds in a row of 68. His playing partner, Player B, shot 68 in 8 of those 20 rounds and 90+ in the other 12. Is Player B a 90+ golfer that has some good days or is it the other way around? The handicap system says they both have the same handicap, yet Player A is consistently a much better player. I would like to see the handicap be calculated a bit differently. If they want to use the last 20 rounds, then use all of them, not just the best 8 out of 20. Just my .02

[@BrysonKelschFilms]

big words are tough for mo hahahaha much love big guy

[@moentkaey]

GHIN needs to change the 8 rounds to 12 rounds 60% to manage the handicap system. If I recall Brad is a +5.5 and Garrett is +5, but we all know Brad will outperform 8 out 10 rounds against Garrett. If it's not working then the metric isn't working.

[@claybrinkman533]

The point of a handicap isn't meant to project a single round. Yeah, Brad would win most of the stroke play matches, but Garret would win some too. The point is to project what you can do on your best day. As we've seen, Garrett is capable of stringing together a ton of birdies and setting a course record. He's also capable of getting in his head and having some bad rounds. The handicap only cares about the former, not the latter. When you bet or play in competitions, they're set so that everyone on their best day finishes about the same. It isn't made so that everyone has an average round and they end up with the same score.

[@RaffiRexer-dp4qt]

in sweden we have the same rules 8 out of 20 and I wish they would change it to what you said 12 out of 20

[@JC-p7c]

Agreed or use your 8 best and then somehow factor in the average for the rest of the rounds into it as well, take away some of the volatility from it. I think Brad beats Garret by more than 5 strokes more often than Garrett beats Brad straight up.. Seems like something in the system is broken if their handicaps are that close and that is the case.

[@and16942]

I’m not sure that 12 rounds would make a big difference compared to 8. They would have to increase the overall number of rounds to include then. So like 12 out of past 30 rounds. Again don’t see it making much of a difference. Handicap is you playing at your best, not an average. So the 8/20 makes total sense to me.

[@Nkjelgaard]

A point to add is that it has to be a globally consistent approach. We have the MyEG in England (My English Golf) which works in exactly the same way. So you can't just change in the US without changing globally

[@TheVillest]

i've always thought the handicap system is terribly flawed. it calculates your best days but your best days, in the eyes of the USGA only happen about 20% of the time for a vast majority of golfers, even better players. so, what is a better representation of your actual ability, what you score 20% of the time or what you score 80% of the time? it really should just be a running total of all your scores, not just your most recent best ones.

[@alexlindsey6446]

I agree and don't forget the course ratings are totally subjective.... Maybe the course was rated way to high for its actual difficulty level.... In that case you would get a bunch of Mo type handicaps.

[@PYGolf]

Dope video

[@garygilgen5651]

Hey Garrett I just watched the golf girls do a pretty good video of a vegas competition, You guys should do one.

[@Dreama40]

Rule of thumb, most people only shoot their 'handicap' once every 5-6 rounds of golf.

[@Ifishmo]

For a video label 'Explains Handicap Misconceptions'....this was about as bad as it could be, just terrible. I expect much more from my free content!!! :D

[@mikewoodall5535]

What happened to stroke control which was part of the equation 20 years ago?

[@TheVillest]

yeah, ESC at the end of the day is more for your average club member than these guys

[@mikewoodall5535]

@@TheVillest 20 years ago, it was written in my copy of the USGA rules book

[@kevinpaulinoatendido733]

Other folks fail to understand the following: 1) the GG folks don’t post via YT every game they play, so what we see are their “for content” and planned videos. 2) we should not rely on the “content” videos of the guys as the ultimate basis for their hcp indexes given the explanation of how that hcp index is computed (best 8 games). 3) yes they do the lateral drop in fairway aspect in their vids - it’s to fasten the video pace so as not to waste time for them to go back and take a provisional. In short, the content video (unless it’s a real competition major video) should not be the barometer source of their hcp indexes. All above just based on the logic I picked up from the video and the arguments made. Then again, it would be great to see if they can consistently start every new video content in the main channel to say if that vid will be counted for their HCp index or not (ex. If it’s a fun challenge video, they should inform everyone it’s NOT towards hcp index)

[@Jejdhbxjejdbdwjjwjeixbdbwjw]

Bring the podcast back. I need something to listen to during work

[@davedunst7133]

I appreciate the fact that they're addressing this honestly and with an expert present. The fact, however, is that viewers are not seeing the rounds that have been submitted for calculation. Many assume that these guys play with gimmes, and OB as lateral hazard every round, as if we see every round they play. There are a lot of people who think that what we see in videos is included in the handicap calculations. However, we don't see either the 66s or the 87s Garrett mentions. The fact that G plays off a +5 simply means that his scoring on his good days is really good. The evidence we see in videos points to G's struggles to become a more consistent scorer when things aren't going his way.

[@claybrinkman533]

100%. People think the GG videos are what go into their handicaps, when the reality is we've likely seen 2 or 3 of the 20 rounds each of them have posted.

[@bobbys4327]

@@claybrinkman533 c'mon man, now you are trying to use logic with the chirpers lol. These chirpers think that the GG are using the scores from the fun stuff videos they play on their channel (which they are not). For some reason I guess they think the GG play bad all the time and really do not understand the system at hand right now. lol

[@TheVillest]

if garret was a legit +5 he could be playing professionally at some level. to even hack it on the lower level mini tours you need to be a SOLID +3, and that's middle of the road. this is why in my eyes the handicap system is very flawed. most players, including better players only play to their handicap 20% of the time, even less. only counting the most recent 8 best scores isn't logical. those are your best days. whats a better representation/gauge of a players true ability, the 1 out of 5 or the other 4 rounds that aren't being counted lol

[@davedunst7133]

@@TheVillest There's certainly am argument to be made that the system itself is flawed if the goal is to rank players of various tiers of play. However, the purpose of the handicap system isn't to measure who could be a pro or not, it's to create a scoring environment in which players of varying ability could compete together. I think for that purpose it works pretty well, considering the recent GG pro major. G didn't play his best, nor did the pros, and Garrett was about 5 shots worse than tournament-hardened professional golfers.

[@brianmurray4199]

Look what happened when you played a provisional at the creator cup, instead of a lateral drop in the fairway. Or you play everything up fairways and rough. You didn't address this

[@inb4230]

Jordan spieth or morikawa miss several cuts and they won 3 MAJORS,using a bad round to justify your bias on what his handicap should be is desingenious, why didn't you pull that recent round Garrett made 10 birdies playing jon daly jr.? Ya'll seem to forget that all their videos are filmed in a week's span where they shoot 3,4 videos per day and number one they need to play fast to get out of the way of other players,and they're obviously doing it for entertainment not the rider cup, and number two the level of golf will obviously suffer from playing 72 holes for a week straight.If they used their supposed handicap to sandbag in competitions I'd understand the outrage, in this case if they did they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, so I don't. It's just btch for the sake of btchn, when they did the majors without handicaps "ThEy ShOuLd GiVe StRoKeS",they come up with a system that the stroke difference between everyone is calculated under the same rules "cHeAtS" 😂ffs, WHO CARES. Garrett and Brad would still demolish EVERY ONE butthurt about handicaps in the comments,like, run them through a wood chipper,and the rest of gg would steamroll what,96%? Fat Perez played the gg tournament shot 8 over, played the youtubers major shot 8 over, played myrtle beach shot 9 over, micah Morris played Idk how many tournaments usually shoots in the 80's(89 at myrtle!!),horvat shot 79 at the myrtle beach classic (look what happens, right??),mdjack 11 over, Peter finch shot higher than shiels in open qualifying(80's?), George bryan finished 25 shots back from a card in last year's q school qualifiers, is it correct to come here with that "look what happens when you re tee "? Anyone who is somewhat proficient at golf knows that some days you have it, some days you don't.

[@brianmurray4199]

@@inb4230 not using a bad round that's just an example. They never play provisional they play everything as a lateral so that scenario will never happen for them. They don't actually play by the rules of golf. You seem to not understand that. I understand what your saying about the what they do for the videos. But you can't use there rules and turn in the scores. They've said they turn those scores in. They know it that's why at the creator cup Garret wouldn't say his hcp. He just said he's barely above scratch.

[@claybrinkman533]

​@@brianmurray4199Those types of rounds on GG weeks don't get posted for their handicaps. Not every time you swing a golf club counts towards your cap

[@brianmurray4199]

@@claybrinkman533 ok bro. I'm not hating on them. Have a great day or night depending on where you are

[@bradyflaten]

GHIN app only calculates Net double bogey for max hole score.

[@SoopaCoops]

Thank you guys for the breakdown on how handicaps work. another great video like always.

[@tdaveniii]

The vast majority of the keyboard warriors who don't understand how GHIN works are still not going to get it even after watching this video. Better to not waste any effort with them.

[@mre_man]

Clearly goodgood is butt Hurt by it to feel the need to defend themselves. Plus in real competition you know they suckass!

[@julian_bl0384]

they should have explained how Riggs from barstool is a 3 Hcpi 🤨

[@Greg-GT1]

There is no misconception...it's called Golflink...it's worldwide...your playing everywhere as hazards then taking drops 8 club lengths better off improves scores massively

[@slayerde440]

Garrett, you're not a legit +5. No shot.

[@cledesma135]

Another thing is honesty . Im sure some balls magically appear when the cameras are not recording. Be true.

[@dddmmm21]

This is a terminology (and conceptual) mess. I get the players handicap. The problem is they use similar terminology to rate the course and to rate the hole! A course's Handicap rating will be a number is the ballpark of the course's PAR, and higher numbers mean more difficult. But then you have the HOLE's handicap rating, which seems to be in a completely different scale, with numbers from 1 to 15 lets say, it shows not corelation to the hole's par and, incredibly, the lower the number more difficult it is. So a good follow up video would be for him to better explain on how to interpret the Course Rating's, the Course' Slope and Hole's rating.

[@swayt2725]

Course rating = difficulty for scratch players. Slope = the mathematical calculation of how much harder the course is for the bogey golfer. (Think of a course with a lot of marshes and hazzards that really aren't in play for a good player, but the bogey golfer will find often. That stuff contributes to slope.) Differential = Your score against the difficulty of the course. Sometimes it's directly what you shot vs rating, but also sometimes course conditions, your handicap and slope are calculated in. Hole pars - at my club we play a lot of net games. I'm a +2, john is an 8, and we're playing match play. The hole handicaps determine which holes john gets a stroke and which holes he does not. I'm giving a stroke on the hardest 8 holes. (front is all odd numbers, back is all even.)

[@TheVillest]

@@swayt2725 you'd be giving john 10 stokes if you were a +2 brotha lol...

[@TheVillest]

the handicap system as a whole is flawed. most players, even better ones only play to their handicap 20% of the time, even less. only counting your most current 8 best scores is not a true reflection of ones ability. its a reflection of their ability on their best days which are far and few between. like i say, whats a better gauge of someones true ability, the 1 out of 5 or the other 4 rounds that aren't getting counted lol 🤷‍♂

[@swayt2725]

@@TheVillest Good at hitting a ball, bad at math*

[@JordanOvr56]

Should have addressed the confusion between hole handicaps and hole difficulty.

[@MRxXJCXIII]

Inbetween the 4 of them they said a whole lot of nothing lmao 😂😂😂😂

[@Ronaldihldo]

Already know the comments are gonna be people complaining about them playing everything lateral lol

[@bobbys4327]

and think think they use those scores for handicap. They haven't understood that the stuff on the GG channel for content and fun is not being turned in.

[@Mike13684]

Handicaps measure potential, not consistency. You can have 8 awesome rounds, and 12 terrible ones, and your cap will be low.

[@TMar1961]

I'm literally living this nightmare and playing in a handicap league.

[@Teddytayto88]

Handicap system needs to stop allowing people submitting general play round towards handicaps. So many do this to keep their hcp high and then turn up on comp days and shoot net 60-62 its BS. The 8 out of 20 is fine for me but not the score differential. Thats wrong. I can shoot 80-82 gross but they saying thats score diff of 7-8. No its not stop it. You shouldnt have a single figure without numerous rounds under 80. If your course is tough and you have a higher hcp deal with it.

[@bobbys4327]

yeah, played a couples tournament once where this guy has like a 24 handicap. He goes around paring and birdieing the whole friggen golf course. You can tell by playing with someone if they are actually really good and this guy was a sandbagger. Yeah, before a tournament coming up, go out and play a sh!tload of golf. Turn in the 98, 105, 110 ect. Get a high hdcp then go play scratch golf at the tournament.

[@patrickoreilly4119]

The US is the only place where this happens. Australia, UK...we can only submit cards in competition. GHIN is a joke. From what I have seen a player in the US off 5 is a UK/AUS 8-10.

[@Teddytayto88]

@@patrickoreilly4119 not true, I am referring to UK golfers specifically at my club in England where it happens all the time with people playing general play going on myenglandgolf and uploading these scorecards. I would agree though US handicaps would be much higher on UK courses

[@BChandl13]

Squad goes the the lab to try and justify Matt's 0 handicap, even though they "play everything as lateral" and half his shots don't get more than 10 ft off the ground. They're trying so hard to pretend they're not all vanity handicaps lmao

[@dylangoulet8708]

The only thing I don’t believe is Blake being a plus handicap the guy legit can’t even hit driver

[@EldredMerricks]

I wish you guy would have covered plus and no plus on your handicap

[@josephtate5315]

That is for the explanation and all these people complaining don't understand why you play lateral hazards, I don't believe balls just magically appear. It is for pace of play they don't always have the course to themselves, and even with a full crew each person playing getting filmed makes them play a hole that a foursome would play on a public course at 9 minutes give or take, it probably takes them 15 to 20 minutes

[@cgbach]

Needed this!!!!

[@michael-1382]

Life is great

[@jcap415]

They should just tell the viewers the last score they played in the golf course so it can be simple this handicapped stuff is confusing

[@chuckhutch4104]

Nobody can explain the handicap system. Look at every comment section of every video that tries.

[@timmyotoole6063]

The only person we don't believe is Blake, the plus-er who hasn't broken 80 yet on the channel

[@donaldhunter2195]

haha right. Blake has struggled and it makes me wonder....

[@poz6294]

I think its worth knowing that handicap is also mostly based on stableford scores. So going out and scoring a 10 on a par 3 only counts as a wipe and those two points can be pretty easily made up.

[@mikeziggygiles]

Lol what are you talking about? None of this is remotely accurate.

[@poz6294]

@mikeziggygiles haha its 100% accurate. The world handicap system converts all scores to stableford to determine handicaps. Tell me you don't play club golf, without telling me you don't play club golf 🤣🤣

[@poz6294]

@mikeziggygiles just incase you also dont know how google works. "For handicapping, all stroke scores must be converted to (and processed as) Stableford scores. (Where the competition is Stroke, the Stroke score is the Competition Score; the Stableford Score is the Handicapping Score)."

[@patrickoreilly4119]

@@mikeziggygiles nope you're wrong buddy haha

[@mikeziggygiles]

@@poz6294 okay I came in hot, my apologies... but now I'm listening. I've helped run my league handicaps for many years. I know a ton about the handicapping system, the equation to determine handicaps, and how those are then applied to various courses. I'm totally baffled by your description here. I simply don't understand how Stableford scoring has anything to do with calculating a handicap.

[@mre_man]

Good good nobody cares about your vanity cap just keep making your vids!

[@JC-p7c]

Not a huge fan of the system, Maybe use your 8 best and then somehow factor in the average for the rest of the rounds into it as well, take away some of the volatility from it. I think Brad beats Garret by more than 5 strokes more often than Garrett beats Brad straight up.. Seems like something in the system is broken if their handicaps are that close and that is the case.

[@zachdonn2]

what is the gen app?

[@williamwetherington844]

as a senior citizen i can claim short term memory loss on not adding penalties strokes or forgetting those that go 50 yards and just count one stroke over par. no need to add strokes, you've already loss the hole. using this technique i find am consistently under 30 on the front or the back 9. another way to figure when to start counting strokes is when all your handicap strokes are all used up.

[@Dapperrh]

tried to get a handicap and the dogshit site reset as soon as i filled in all my info. good shit ill just do my own handicap to track my progress

[@rickvermeulen3678]

Yeah the handicap looks at the golfers POTENTIAL not average, im a 7 handicap and i score 80-84 on average but i can get a round of a 76 78 every now and then.

[@rossj7746]

I think that a lot of people also don't realize how good at golf every single good good member is. Even when a golfer shoots over 80 consistently, like bubbie or steve, the handicap takes into account how difficult the course ratings are. These guys also always play from the tips. Let the haters keep yapping from their moms basement. Keep up the good work guys!

[@aj897]

They’re not that good, you’re just delusional lol.

[@amWoodGolf]

All the chirpers in the comments have maybe broken 100 once 😂

[@ryanith2]

Ong

[@whenmullet2674]

Perhaps, but we don't say we have a 5 handicap.

[@mre_man]

Im a legit 5 and when they steve is a 4 on the vids it really boils me up lol

[@aj897]

I’d guarantee plenty of people who watch golf content are decent at the game, speak for yourself.

[@bobbys4327]

because they play by the roooles lol...

[@divotdudes]

So what you’re saying is Conner might not actually be lying about his handicap? 🤔

[@Marc89000]

What does the USGA recommend for a Canadian, can I use this app?

[@jed1775]

Yes! I’m not from the us and have the GHIN app

[@Marc89000]

I don't believe you. I cannot open an account outside the USA.

[@kellyharbour7140]

Did ee entials 😂 Mo ❤

[@Knice1310]

ZERO percent chance G is a +5 with numerous rounds in the mid 80s. 😂😂😂 you’re telling me he’s on par with George Bryan? Lol.

[@Ronaldihldo]

Garrett Brad and Sean are the only believable ones imo because they actually play OB rules correctly unlike the others. Garrett isn't as consistent as George but he can get hot and like they said handicap is only determined by best 8 out of 20 most recent rounds. He had some heaters on his channel recently

[@mikemcintyre4043]

Lol…my average score is 87.5 and my GHIN is 15.2. Y’all are doin something wrong 😂😂😂

[@eli_0214]

Any handicap system where you are inputting your own scores is invalid. Learn from the Australian way of a National handicap system…

[@kevinbrown2240]

Dont care how many ppl explain the system.... We see the shots, not recording proper and all scores. most these caps hugely innacurate.

[@hayesdupree1797]

I don’t care what you guys say Matt Scharff is not a 2 handicap.

[@donaldhunter2195]

What's your handicap?

[@hayesdupree1797]

@@donaldhunter2195 currently a +4.8

[@hayesdupree1797]

@@donaldhunter2195currently a +4.8

[@DanWessonSpecialist]

Call putts good inside a putter shaft, no provisional off the tee for OB, fluffed lies, clean and place. Pretty sure that is not playing to rules of golf so no, those handicaps are bogus.if Garrett was +5 he would be a PGA Tour card holder making millions. Bubbie. Don’t get me started on the duck hook slinger.

[@Dmb596]

Why the repeat video?

[@mre_man]

Cuz the fans hurt their feelings saying their handicaps arent real!

[@Goosebump_clips]

Nobody is talking about the fact that you lads don’t play these rounds in comps….theres no pressure, and essentially no rules at times, you take lateral drops and preferred lies all the time 😅 I can almost guarantee your handicaps are approx 4-5 shots higher than what you’ve calculated

[@alexlc1989]

Is there a difference in handicap systems used between pros and average joes? Cause everyone of us, admit it or not, plays lateral and favorable lies/drops. 😂

[@Ifishmo]

no. if you're using the handicap system (the GHIN, ie. most widely used system around the world, backed by PGA etc) then there is only 1 system

[@bobbys4327]

pros are playing straight up

[@denhampereiragolf]

Finally! thank y'alll!

[@dbo4506]

The US handicap system is a joke. You just enter whatever score you want however you want. It’s ridiculous. In AUS only your comp rounds matter and you’re scored by someone else in your group and that marker also has to be a golf Australia member. People can still tort that system and that system is 1000 times better then the US system

[@Enrique-pi1nh]

I get all this but no way Blake is anywhere under 15 handicap. he makes contact with the ball like 20% of the time.

[@Ronaldihldo]

It is when you take lateral drops every hole haha. If he played actual OB rules he would be lucky to shoot 90

[@warrenlu6724]

Yes but ya'll take liberal drops, play hazards as lateral, and fluff lies

[@oozu-maki4488]

so do 90% of all the golfers that watch their videos lol.

[@bobbys4327]

@@oozu-maki4488 yeah, hel sh!t I have seen tees in the hardpan areas on golf courses lol...

[@andrewgonzales3715]

Good good needs to learn how to play golf now, instead of try to play golf.

[@SaniOsrs]

Ask him why they changed 9 hole scoring to be the stupidest thing in the world

[@lid1957]

chill people, they have a handicap so they can play among themselves, they are entertainers not competing amateurs

[@mre_man]

Then keep a real handicap!

[@mattd7598]

Haha hilarious that this needs to be explained but most golfers probably don’t have handicap index

[@Josurf808]

4:29 💀💀💀

[@exvagoergosum]

That's not the point, guys. First, play golf like in competition and COMPLY with the rules of the game !! YT golf is fading to a different sport. There's a dozen of rules violations in each video. Mr CLARKE is precisely the king of the "convenient drop". I've never seen a GG member play a provisional ball from the tee on a suspected OB ball or even measure 2 club length from lateral hazards. It's for the fluidity of the video, they say.... 😅

[@mre_man]

Thats why he sucksass in real tournaments!

[@donaldhunter2195]

Its the games they play. They don't post those scores. Watch Garretts break 65 series or Bubbas break 37 series and get back to me.

[@exvagoergosum]

@@donaldhunter2195 1) I've seen those series. So what ? No one ever breaks what he was supposed to break. The only thing Clarke breaks is Golf laws. 2) WTF are you to tell me to "get back to you" ? I know where YOU can get gack... Wanna hint ?