Good Good Explains Handicap Misconceptions

[@PretENDOgolf]

Im a 4 handicap. Im happy with that. Worked my ass off to bring it to this level

[@cameronspach220]

You guys should play a really easy course from the whites and show everyone just how good you guys are!!!

[@markusbourdon355]

They have and did

[@rolirolster]

@@markusbourdon355 What was the video called?

[@markusbourdon355]

@@rolirolster not gonna go back and search for them but off the top of my head you can watch Garrett do the break 50 challenge with Bryson and use a good amount of his shots

[@matthewsalinas8879]

An easy course would have an easier rating so a scratch golfer might have to shoot -5 for a 0 handicap

[@blast3718]

Mo's real handicap: 9+ (Words with 9 or more letters)

[@Dannyhollyw00d]

this got me haha

[@samgarewal]

Watched mo shoot 72 hard course during tournament

[@nathanwoods1927]

Top comment says a lot. Playing the game by the actual rules of golf and nothing less. I think a lot of people feel if each good good member played 20 tournament rounds their handicap would be starkly different from their current handicap. Tournaments from my knowledge, otherwise known as competitive rounds, assist your handicap, but some of the rules good good plays by assists the guys by several strokes each round. Personally I would say there are more golfers who believe their handicap is a lot lower than it likely really is, simply because a lot of people don’t play competitively and/or by the rules of golf accurately which assists them by several strokes each round.

[@philrizzuti5790]

This is really good, and something people need to now. I love the the end where Terry (I think that was his name) explained the 3 misconceptions. It really is helpful and easy to get a handicap. Cheers boys

[@dynomitedrake6970]

Good info hope it clears it up!! Mo had me cracking up "Score Differencials" in tears lol!! Good recovery thou Mo 🤣🤣🤣☠💀

[@GolfRaffi]

after reading all the comments, I see a youtube coming out called: Good Good Explains Handicap Misconceptions PART II :)

[@RunnaNo1]

You guys should add the slope rating to your intro screens on videos and let people go and answer their own questions instead of chirping in the comments. Great video though!

[@PaddyP538]

💯

[@Bech285]

Only in the US do you need a video explaining the handicap system to people watching golf videos haha!

[@DennisEldrup]

You're so right. I just got into golf, and I'm seriously amazed that this system needs explaining. If anyone played more than a few months and still don't get it, they probably won't get it after this video either.

[@TylerBaker-ky7rp]

Especially since the greatest players are Americans.

[@Tincupflipper]

Great video. My request for your channel would be a golf etiquette video. You have a very strong pull with young college age golfers. I'm seeing more and more at the course which is awesome for the game. What isn't awesome is how they drive their carts all over the course and drive or walk Infront of the people they are playing with because they see you guys doing that. I know you say it's to speed play up, but the newbies to the game don't understand that. Last week I saw three 20-25 years old guys playing golf in three separate carts and after one hit they would hop in the cart and literally drive up the fairway while the other person was hitting. Then they would hang out around the green while they hit up. When I thought that, my first thought was most of your videos you guys are hitting while standing on or around the greens. These kids see that and want to do the same. I'm just saying. Use this platform that you built to help the new guys getting into golf to understand simple rules and course care to make them a life long golf fan.

[@prxyz.]

it don’t matter

[@_dboy_]

​@@prxyz. I mean it does and it doesn't. They play this way because they are playing with 8 people and 3 camera guys. Nobody else does that shit. They do it to speed up play. No 4some needs to play like that.

[@HarryRees]

I'll tell you what else is hilarious. Everyone complaining is also completely ignoring the fact that using the exact handicaps they claim are fake, and using the GHIN app, the last few months of videos have been some of the most closely competitive GG videos, including majors, ever. So everyone's handicap is baloney but somehow they work perfectly in practice? Lol

[@Every04]

There’s also the fact that in a lot of good good videos they would play everything “as a lateral hazard” as opposed to stroke and distance when it called for it and that would result in lower scores.

[@Tom_Swift]

Exactly this, and so many golfers get this rule wrong (conveniently)

[@claybrinkman533]

It would result in lower scores, but those scores don't get posted for their handicaps. If you have a handicap, you can look up anyone in the GHIN database and view their scores. Garrett's 20 posted scores go all the way back to June. They're only posting scores where they play legitimate golf. Garrett's break 65 series uses provisionals, he plays the ball down, etc. There's also the Good Good Pro Major where everyone played it like it was a sanctioned tournament. Those are the types of rounds that get posted to your handicap.

[@Every04]

⁠@@claybrinkman533idk man when they started using handicaps and promoting the GHIN app they said they went back and posted scores for rounds they played I don’t think they were super very serious about the rules for a lot of the backfill rounds they used. There is no way GRats handicap is really as close to Brads as it currently is, if it were he would be competitive with Brad in at least some of these handicapped rounds and he never is. Over time if they keep playing with the real rules I won’t have any argument and old rounds will drop off but for now I don’t think those rounds they backfilled are all exactly correct.

[@exvagoergosum]

LOL. Not only that... There's a dozen of rules violations in each video. Mr CLARKE is precisely the king of the "convenient drop". I've never seen a GG member play a provisional ball from the tee, do they even what it is ? If I could play OB situations like lateral hazards on my home course, I'd be a +5 too....

[@christophergolfer]

Garrett knows what provisionals are, he literally played college golf tournaments, relax. 😂

[@zacharydietz6237]

This is so needed. I’m a 4-5 handicap and any time I shoot bogey golf my friends tell me I’m full of shit. Can’t help it if my better rounds are with my club or if I play harder courses and back tees. People don’t get the fact that it’s your better rounds and not relative to par either. Gonna be sharing this for sure 👍

[@mre_man]

You havent played one good round with your friends??? Okay bud lol

[@kevan4852]

@@mre_man From the sound of it, his friends aren't members at his club where he usually plays, so when he does get to play with them it's somewhere different and they play from the tips whereas he may normally play from the member tees at his club. I can relate to that. Most of my friends near my age who golf can't afford to be members or even play semi-regularly like I do, so it's always someplace different if we do play, which is just a handful of times a year.

[@Callahan-Brown]

I dont know any 4-5 hcp player that will go out and play "bogey golf" AKA +18....... if youre EVER shooting a 90, def not a 4-5, prob more like 8-10hcp....... Im a 3-5 hcp year round....I dont remeber the last time I shot above 82

[@mre_man]

@@kevan4852 they aint good friends if u cant invite them to play at your home club man! When i invite people to play at my club they dont pay!

[@kevan4852]

@@Callahan-Brown "That's like, your opinion man" ... kudos if you get the movie reference. At any rate, happy for you, but not everyone is fortunate enough to be that consistent. And not everyone's game travels well, which was my main point, though I may not have made it well. Keep shootin em straight!

[@slayerde440]

Garrett, you're not a legit +5. No shot.

[@julian9717]

What makes you say that ?

[@slayerde440]

@julian9717 have you seen him play?

[@LarryM.Kruger]

Addressing Index vs Handicap for me helps define the differential between courses and their unique ratings. You can shoot a 78 on one course and a 81 on harder course with the same result on your index.

[@pjswearing]

Thanks guys! Everyone saying playing “OB as hazard” “incorrect drops” everyone does that unless you’re playing in tournaments or league. Keeping up pace of play is important when you’re playing a country club or public coarse. I’ve never seen someone go back to a tee and re-hit. Thats just dumb. We’re not the pro’s.

[@nickjones5582]

I agree completely here. But all you have to do is hit a provisional if you think your first might be OB.

[@pjswearing]

@@nickjones5582 I agree, everyone should hit one a provisional.

[@Every04]

@@pjswearing you can absolutely drop off an OB shot for pace of play but you still have to assess stroke and distance and you’re laying 3 hitting 4. That is different from playing everything lateral hazard and dropping 2 hitting 3.

[@KingKarlTNT]

No we don't... If I play like that I don't enter my score. It's simple when I can't find my ball I'll take an illegal drop but then not post my score and if playing for money the hole would be a zero pointer.

[@pjswearing]

All very valid points guys. I totally agree with all of you. Just giving them the benefit of the doubt, it’s possible they don’t count those rounds also on their handicaps, and I’d rather just believe them than to doubt them.

[@TMar1961]

It's your 8 best rounds WHEN PLAYING BY ALL THE RULES OF GOLF. That is the key issue you have to deal with; no OB being reduced to a lateral hazard (take the stroke and distance then rehit), play everything as it lies, NO GIMMIES. It's golf as it was intended for competition and there are literally thousands of handicap leagues around the USA where a 15 handicap is competing with a +5 and has a chance to/does win.

[@davidmiller3830]

louder for the people in the back

[@krackergrit]

Jesus christ is youtube golf not pga there not playing for a million dollar prize

[@TMar1961]

@@krackergrit Irrelevant, it's an official handicap so it must be obtained by playing by the rules. They literally tell you this in the GHIN rules, if you don't play by the rules the round is not eligible for use in the handicap system. That man explaining the system will tell you the exact same thing.

[@claybrinkman533]

​@@TMar1961Those rounds don't get posted. Go look at the score postings for some of the guys in the group. Bubbie and Blake's 20 rounds go all the way back to April. Garrett's go to June. Matt's go back to May of 2023

[@TMar1961]

@@claybrinkman533 You actually strengthened my point, if you are going to use the GHIN system to determine a handicap for a given video then play by the rules to make the GHIN work properly, Brad and Garrett have been doing this in recent videos so props to them. I'm going to watch them either way because it's entertaining, but use the GHIN properly and the chirping will all but disappear.

[@GolfRaffi]

Great video, and I appreciate the effort in clearing up the handicap misconceptions! I understand everything you explained, but I think you missed one of the biggest points: GoodGood often plays with incorrect drops. For example, when you can’t find a tee shot, dropping and hitting your 3rd shot saves at least one stroke. According to USGA rules, you’d need to either drop and hit your 4th or go back and rehit. Also, for a USGA handicap round, you can’t play the ball up, and you can’t give 3-4 footers either. It’s a shame this wasn’t mentioned, especially with Terry from the USGA on. Overall though, great video!

[@joshfry575]

all that they would need to say to clear that up is that their videos are not posted for score on GHIN

[@ppiercejr]

You actually can give 3-4 footers and still count your round for handicap purposes as long as it is most likely that you will make the putt. This is why you can post scores from match play rounds where you do not hole out every shot. You take the score you would be expected to get from that position. If you have 75 yards left and your partner concedes the hole, you would then add 3 shots to your score and use that for your handicap. Obviously, you can't do that on every hole, but you can do it. Now what you can't do is use the slope feature on your rangefinder. If you do it once, it is the general penalty of two strokes, if you do it a second time, it is disqualification.

[@louiskennedy9065]

They make very good points, but remember a handicap purpose is to level out the playing field, so someone with a high handicap can still feel competitive against someone with a low handicap. But even the best players in the world have bad days but we all must try and be a little better each day we go out. The most important thing I believe alot of players forget is that this is a sport for all to enjoy and forget to enjoy yourself and have fun with liked mind people. Also just FYI, I have a 27 Handicap. I know I am not great but I enjoy stepping out on the links each day an meeting new players.

[@nickbryan217]

For perspective I charted a buddy of mines scores who’s on tour. He’s pretty middle of road guy, just missed the Fed Ex Cup playoff and he’s just inside the top 100 OWGR. If you plug in his last 20 rounds (Score, rating, and slope) he’s an +8.2 handicap avg score was 70 avg course rating 75.4 and avg slope 141. His best 8 rounds of those 20 he’d played avg 66 avg rating 75.3 and avg slope of 137. For most the course that avg rating and slope was based on if any of us went to these courses and played all the way back… keep in mind 6 of those rounds Par for the tournament was 1-2 strokes lower than normal and some of these courses the conditions are different than what you’d see on a typical day (faster greens, longer rough, and maybe even a few tee boxes are moved back even further)

[@zacharyvalloric9076]

Brad the only real golfer pro like up there

[@Jrod32391]

I’m glad he clarified the slope rating based on difficulty of course that is a huge misconception, but I do think handicap should be average for example Grant and Garrett probably have the same handicap when on average Grants probably 3 strokes better. Imagine if sports just took your best games and didn’t account for the games you didn’t produce good numbers. Average is a much stronger indicator on how good of a golfer you are day in and day out.

[@scannon4492]

There's also playing to your handicap in a round with friends and doing it in a comp. I'm in Australia and my handicap rounds are all from playing in the comps at my club... Which means no gimmies and playing by the rules. Most golf on KZbin doesn't actually follow the rules of golf (which is fine, it's entertainment after all)

[@k1llwizzy]

54 handicap means you play 18 holes yellow tees in a par 72 on a reasonable course in 125 to 140 shots. (115-130 for front tees) if you are at that level just get a beginners class, get some group lessons and improve to handicap 36 (that means you break 110 in 8 games out of 20) If you can swing an iron 200 yards straight and fly driver all over, drop the driver, focus on irons, wedges and putting and break 90 that way. if you cant handle irons past 8 iron but have great feel with driver and 3-wood go to a store and get your hands on some heavenwoods(7wood to 11 wood) If you 4put everything get yourself 1 or 2 putting lessons and go to a fitter (or take lessons from the fitter). that 200 dollar new putter that fits your play will knock 18 strikes off your round if you go from 3.5 to 2.5 puts per hole.

[@danreed2189]

Ah Hah! It all makes sense now! Thanks for doing this.

[@nickbryan217]

A few things you have to do when turning in a score for handicap -putt everything out, not an official score if you take even one gimmie -play everything as it lies unless local rules allow relief in certain situations - play OBs and lateral hazards as stroke and distance and not taking drops. Exception being if local rules allow you to take a drop to speed up play….

[@berrybne1114]

Brad loves that Christmas tee 😂

[@alexfilmwriting]

For regular non-pro players: On any given day at a typical course, you can (should) expect to shoot like 7 strokes worse than what your handicap would suggest. So if you're a 12 HCP, when you go play, there's a good chance you're gonna shoot probably 88-92 or thereabouts (72+12+7). When you start looking at it like that, it starts to make more sense. Edit: if you go out and you're firing on all cylinders and shoot well below what your handicap would suggest, then congrats, when you post that score you can expect your handicap to come down a bit. Then tomorrow, you'll probably go shoot 7 strokes worse than that, on average. If you graph your handicap+72, your scores are gonna bobble around 5-10 strokes worse than that typically, with occasional huge scores and great scores mixed in.

[@ScottDreyfus]

Where you play matters . It’s a sliding scale based on your potential and the differential with course rating and slope . The harder the course the lower your capp will be. My home club is 152 slope and 76.7 course rating you have a five shot differential so if you shot 72 even you’d be a plus 5 possibly slightly lower. My course avg is 75.7 but my handicap is +2.7 right now. I play almost all my golf at Sage Valley and Shinni.

[@brandoncarpenter9681]

Put the golf course rating, yards, and differential in your videos at the from end.

[@anthonymancini4930]

You guys should add on to this video with a video with fans that have a more average handicap. Play a course you guys would typically play, but add in some channel fans that have a handicap of 10-20, straight up stroke play and show the difference in scores. Link this video to it and then have a section at the end that explains how the handicap system played into that particular round.

[@birdman5jh]

I think the only thing that might be a little out of wack is that, for speed of play you guys drop a lost ball like it was in a penalty area when it wasn’t a penalty area. Unless there’s a speed of play local rule, it should have been played 3 from the tee.

[@robertbush2431]

I think an aspect people are really ignoring is the distance and corresponding rating that they’re playing a lot of the time. When you drive the ball 330+ you can really deflate your handicap by having wedges into holes designed to have mid-irons in

[@timmyotoole6063]

Maybe you guys could start implementing a graphic at some point in each of your videos that displays the course rating and slope of the course you're about to play

[@kevan4852]

Would be neat to see, but if the chirpers actually cared, they could easily do a quick google search. The internet is full of people who just want something to gripe about or pick apart. They don't actually care that much, and if they do, they're a little too invested in a youtube channel.

[@lupitomendoza8929]

I always knew they played difficult courses, so it made sense to me. I thought it was super obvious. I cant sit here and compare breaking even at my local public course to the nicer ones we have out here.

[@EldredMerricks]

I think also if there was an app that utilized our handicap to tell us what we should shoot based on the course/slope from each tee box for the course we are playing to put a realistic goal out there before a round would be awesome!!

[@aarondean1673]

Thanks for the informative video! It would be cool to see how the course is playing at the start of your rounds if possible. E.g Erin Hills is playing at 78

[@hyiux]

Thanks for the explanation. Now I am even more consfused.

[@MrHasenfeffer]

I don't understand why people get so bent out of shape about this. Let's say the lateral drops and preferred lies are reducing their handicaps by a few strokes. This only hurts them when playing in a competition. I'd rather play against someone using a vanity handicap than a sandbagger in a tournament. If you have a 15+ handicap, you are nowhere near as good as most of the guys on good good. I bounce between 13 and 16, and I wouldn't stand a chance against any of them, except on my best days.

[@giovannioquendo6305]

It’s because it’s a clearly blatant lie and people don’t like when others are lying about things

[@gamebaggolf]

This is a great point, stroke and distance is used far less in tournaments where there are ball spotters or spectators, the chance of losing your ball is much lower. USGA need to sort this out as club golfers get over penalised with strokes for not having an army of people looking for their ball.

[@mre_man]

Good good are the ones bent out of shape clearly by making these lame videos to defend their vanity cap!

[@ppiercejr]

@@gamebaggolf don't ever try to compare your handicap to PGA TOUR players who have an army of spectators searching for balls. They don't have legitimate handicaps. Compare yourself to the other weekend golfers that also must find their own balls in tall grass and poorly taken care of areas of the course. FYI, Tour player handicaps are not accurate. Golf courses are rated for scratch and bogey golfers. Scratch golfers hit the ball 250 yards off the tee by their definition and their course rating system calculation, while bogey golfers hit it closer to 200 yards by their calculation. That is how they determine the difficulty of courses for course rating and slope. If all the bunkers squeeze the fairway in between 190-260 and then open up after 260, then the rating will be higher due to the difficulty of driving the ball for scratch golfers and the slope will be higher due to the difficulty for bogey golfers. In either case, Tour players will hit over those and be unaffected. That is why scratch golfers play TPC Sawgrass and routinely shoot 80+ while Scottie Scheffeler won this year at -20 with rounds of 64, 67, 68, 69. That round of 64 would give him a differential of just -9.3, meanwhile, an 80 would give you a differential of 2.3, a handicap difference of just 11.6 shots even though he shot 16 shots better than them. In that sense, better players are given an advantage in handicaps on courses with higher slopes as they end up with lower handicaps, thus making it easier to beat average golfers. To prove that point, TPC Sawgrass is a 76.8/155 course, that 64 represents a -9.3 and the 80 represents a 2.3, now if we go to The Club at Bella Collina in Florida, it is a 76.8/136 and the same 64 would be a -10.6, while the 80 would be a 2.7, meaning that the difference would be 13.3 shots instead of just 11.6. Bella Collina is the course with the lowest slope of all courses rated 76.8 in the US, TPC Sawgrass has the highest. The scratch golfer is supposed to shoot the same score on both and yet the + golfer gets a higher differential on the harder course, while the guy who shoots 80 gets a lower differential. Just for some context, the average score in the 2024 Players Championship was 71.5 for the 427 total rounds played. To calculate their handicap as a field, we would take the lowest 40% of scores which would be the top 171 rounds, all of which were 70 or below. Their average was 68.5 and their handicap would be +6.1 as a field. There were 3x 64s shot, 6x 65s shot, and 7x 66s shot during the event. The handicap if we took the worst 40% of scores would be +1.7 and the scoring average would still be 74.5 and that includes 4x 80s, an 81, and 2x 82s, with 13 of the scores still being even par 72 and only 25 of the lowest 171 scores being over the course rating of 76.8. And none of that takes into account course conditions, tucked pins, wind, or pressure that affects scores in PGA TOUR events probably making their course rating more like 78+.

[@gamebaggolf]

@@ppiercejr dude, looks like you copy pasted out of chatgpt! I’m not going to read all of that and what I did read missed the mark. I’m not trying to compare myself with a pro, that’s exactly the point, as they don’t get penalized as much for balls going offline.

[@dsc-nr5zy]

I think you can get a pretty good gauge of how the handicap system works if you simply...establish your own.

[@HuntForParfection]

If Steve stops taking 10ft gimmes and playing lateral hazards for every OB shot he makes, maybe I'll start believing his handicap.

[@Yamez420]

He never posts either, id say 6-8 if he posted more but his 4 is more believable than riggs 4 too lmao

[@KevinBostwick]

same goes for bubbie and blake LOL

[@colingunn4753]

Bubbie commented in a video recently where he was given a 6ft gimme that it would count towards his handicap! BS, finish everything or it doesn't count.

[@412rally5]

@@Yamez420he is no where a legitimate 8.

[@ILoveGreatThings]

@@412rally5bubbie hits so many shots off the planet. Stop trying to say he’s a four.

[@RhinoViper]

You can also have 2 similar, or even the same, handicap players play quite a bit different as far as consistency goes. You can have two 0/scratch handicap players, one of them can shoot 85+ far more often than the other, but since the handicap only cares about your best days, it doesn't matter if you every now and again you shoot 85 or even 90...so long as you have the those good days and it keeps your handicap down. So someone who is pretty consistent but never great can have the same handicap as someone who has really good days and really bad days...the bad days simply don't matter....unless you have way too many of them.

[@SoopaCoops]

Thank you guys for the breakdown on how handicaps work. another great video like always.

[@Thepippinator2]

I’m a 6 handicap. When I’m playing well, I break 80 regularly. When I am playing bad, I shoot bogey golf. I think to get a lower handicap, playing higher rated courses is actually more advantageous than easier rated courses.

[@ryanlort7727]

Glad they made this video for some of these ignorant people out there. The biggest thing, which ive explained on past videos, is they are playing courses from long distances and high ratings. When the rating is 78 and you shoot a 77 its still a +1 handicap. But for some reason people dont seem to understand that.

[@claybrinkman533]

Exactly. People shoot 84 from the whites at their local 67.2/105 course and think that means they have a 12 handicap. Nope, that's an 18 differential. It's just people that don't understand. As much as I love that golf courses are thriving right now, it really sucks what the COVID boom did to the average knowledge and etiquette base of the people who golf.

[@alecsiegrist6277]

Exactly, it’s satisfying to see someone understands. Course rating factors big into the equation, and also the handicap system only counts your 8 best scores. Some people don’t understand a 0 index doesn’t mean they shoot even or break par every single time they go out there.

[@tomwright6852]

Yep, it’s insane how bent out of shape people are getting about it. It clearly is working for helping them be able to give realistic handicaps for their videos, evidenced by the Stableford was insanely close, and Bubbie (who people seem to doubt most) winning, which makes sense to me given his distance and ability to clutch up. Also was a huge fan of Bubbie trying to play safe golf in that video taking irons off the tee rather than just trying to hit bombs off every tee box.

[@ryanlort7727]

@@alecsiegrist6277 i am a golf pro so if I didn't understand it that would be sad lol

[@TheVillest]

yes, most people don't understand handicaps are based off the course rating from whatever tees you play. but, with that said, i do still think the handicap system is very flawed. most golfers, even better players play to their handicaps about 20% of the time or even less. only counting your best most recent 8 rounds isn't really a true reflection of a players actual ability. that might be their best days but to throw out the other 80% of your rounds isn't very logical. what better represents a players ability, the 1 out 5 or the other 4 rounds lol🤷‍♂

[@BirdieFever]

Nobody should be chirping you boys. You’re all good players, and unless they’re lower they shouldn’t worry about what ya’ll are doing!

[@Laker3593]

Good video to answer handicap system, I must have a lot of bad days😂, thanks guys

[@jimh5288]

Special request (2) - please create some repeating loops of Brad's driver swing and a compilation of 'best shots'. Similar to the Ben Hogan loops that can be found on the internets. (It is OK to ignore Brad's objections to being compared to Ben Hogen :) )

[@pendragon6449]

My question is what playing conditions are these scores being played in e.g. in Club competitions... In Australia for example you can register rounds towards your handicap rounds unless thet are played in club competitions which are usually held 4-5 days a week... Are these rounds being played in comps or some social settings (makes a BIG difference)?...

[@EphraimJH]

Gimme a Labs video of Brad or perhaps Sean helping Luis dial in that slice to a baby fade

[@pascalpezet]

Yeah except that they count shouldn’t count their rounds, where they play lateral hazards, place their balls and do gimmes. Love the guys and still think they’re all great golfers but all their handicaps are at least 3 shots too high each besides Brad maybe. And it’s ok, they play YT golf, not comps, so no one should care too much, however this can be a bit misleading to people who don’t know that type of stuff.

[@claybrinkman533]

And they don't count them. Go look up their histories of posted scores.

[@DennisEldrup]

Even if you play competitions, how is it an advantage to enter with a lower handicap?

[@albertogarcia9590]

The Divots Dudes are definitely not the handicaps they claim

[@velcrogrip1]

Would love to see Brad take on a 50 hcp with strokes 😂

[@BrysonKelschFilms]

big words are tough for mo hahahaha much love big guy

[@moentkaey]

GHIN needs to change the 8 rounds to 12 rounds 60% to manage the handicap system. If I recall Brad is a +5.5 and Garrett is +5, but we all know Brad will outperform 8 out 10 rounds against Garrett. If it's not working then the metric isn't working.

[@claybrinkman533]

The point of a handicap isn't meant to project a single round. Yeah, Brad would win most of the stroke play matches, but Garret would win some too. The point is to project what you can do on your best day. As we've seen, Garrett is capable of stringing together a ton of birdies and setting a course record. He's also capable of getting in his head and having some bad rounds. The handicap only cares about the former, not the latter. When you bet or play in competitions, they're set so that everyone on their best day finishes about the same. It isn't made so that everyone has an average round and they end up with the same score.

[@GolfRaffi]

in sweden we have the same rules 8 out of 20 and I wish they would change it to what you said 12 out of 20

[@JC-p7c]

Agreed or use your 8 best and then somehow factor in the average for the rest of the rounds into it as well, take away some of the volatility from it. I think Brad beats Garret by more than 5 strokes more often than Garrett beats Brad straight up.. Seems like something in the system is broken if their handicaps are that close and that is the case.

[@and16942]

I’m not sure that 12 rounds would make a big difference compared to 8. They would have to increase the overall number of rounds to include then. So like 12 out of past 30 rounds. Again don’t see it making much of a difference. Handicap is you playing at your best, not an average. So the 8/20 makes total sense to me.

[@Nkjelgaard]

A point to add is that it has to be a globally consistent approach. We have the MyEG in England (My English Golf) which works in exactly the same way. So you can't just change in the US without changing globally

[@ryannelson8619]

Good info!

[@toddrobinson1656]

The confusing aspect is that the unit of measurement (handicap) is (incorrectly) intuitively relative to par when the scoring method is not relative to par.

[@mattc8347]

So many nerds in the comments it’s KZbin golf you’re here for the content and personality not for them to win a major they’re just dudes having fun I’m sure everyone complaining is either a 15 and above handicap or not fun to play golf with at all relax and step away from the keyboard

[@solson223]

Good conversation and explanation. I do think the system is a bit flawed though. Player A shoots 20 rounds in a row of 68. His playing partner, Player B, shot 68 in 8 of those 20 rounds and 90+ in the other 12. Is Player B a 90+ golfer that has some good days or is it the other way around? The handicap system says they both have the same handicap, yet Player A is consistently a much better player. I would like to see the handicap be calculated a bit differently. If they want to use the last 20 rounds, then use all of them, not just the best 8 out of 20. Just my .02

[@DennisEldrup]

But is that really realistic? Also, the handicap system should sort of match people based on how good they can be on a good day, not an average day. If we use your example, and change it to 12/20 rounds counted, that would give Player A a handicap of +4, and Player B an average of 81,2 and a handicap of 3,3 (12/20 rounds at 75,3 - let's pretend the course rating etc is 0). If Player A and B would go out and play with 12 out of best 20, player A would have to give 7 strokes to Player B. And 8 out of 20 rounds Player B would completely demolish Player A with 7 strokes. Just trying to show you how no system is perfect, but I think 8 out of 20 is not just randomly chosen. I'm sure there's some math behind that shows that 8 out of 20 gives you the most accurate indication of what a player is very likely to score on a good day.

[@mikewoodall5535]

What happened to stroke control which was part of the equation 20 years ago?

[@TheVillest]

yeah, ESC at the end of the day is more for your average club member than these guys

[@mikewoodall5535]

@@TheVillest 20 years ago, it was written in my copy of the USGA rules book

[@atreyuwings]

I want to compete against bubby. Started in covid and I’m hovering around 9.5

[@JordanOvr56]

Should have addressed the confusion between hole handicaps and hole difficulty.

[@kevinpaulinoatendido733]

Other folks fail to understand the following: 1) the GG folks don’t post via YT every game they play, so what we see are their “for content” and planned videos. 2) we should not rely on the “content” videos of the guys as the ultimate basis for their hcp indexes given the explanation of how that hcp index is computed (best 8 games). 3) yes they do the lateral drop in fairway aspect in their vids - it’s to fasten the video pace so as not to waste time for them to go back and take a provisional. In short, the content video (unless it’s a real competition major video) should not be the barometer source of their hcp indexes. All above just based on the logic I picked up from the video and the arguments made. Then again, it would be great to see if they can consistently start every new video content in the main channel to say if that vid will be counted for their HCp index or not (ex. If it’s a fun challenge video, they should inform everyone it’s NOT towards hcp index)

[@Worshipdriven7]

Y’all could explain the course you’re playing at in the beginning of each video. Maybe people who claim error in handicap either way are just unfamiliar with the actual course your playing. It w out of be cool to know that your playing a par 72 but with the difficulty of the course shooting a 78 w out of maintain a par in handicap.

[@EldredMerricks]

I wish you guy would have covered plus and no plus on your handicap

[@Aaronfps2]

I’m a 7.0 handicap and I think my average score is around 9 to 11 over so that sounds about right

[@jacklevitan4078]

Can you guys use the word index please? Garrett is not a +5 at every course he is a plus 5 at your everyday mom and pop course. For example at Erin Hills his handicap is +1 while at Oak Tree National from the back tees he is 2 handicap. His index doesn’t mean he will shoot 5 under at every course. Handicap is what you are a certain course and index is the number you are at like an average course.

[@brianmurray4199]

Look what happened when you played a provisional at the creator cup, instead of a lateral drop in the fairway. Or you play everything up fairways and rough. You didn't address this

[@inb4230]

Jordan spieth or morikawa miss several cuts and they won 3 MAJORS,using a bad round to justify your bias on what his handicap should be is desingenious, why didn't you pull that recent round Garrett made 10 birdies playing jon daly jr.? Ya'll seem to forget that all their videos are filmed in a week's span where they shoot 3,4 videos per day and number one they need to play fast to get out of the way of other players,and they're obviously doing it for entertainment not the rider cup, and number two the level of golf will obviously suffer from playing 72 holes for a week straight.If they used their supposed handicap to sandbag in competitions I'd understand the outrage, in this case if they did they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, so I don't. It's just btch for the sake of btchn, when they did the majors without handicaps "ThEy ShOuLd GiVe StRoKeS",they come up with a system that the stroke difference between everyone is calculated under the same rules "cHeAtS" 😂ffs, WHO CARES. Garrett and Brad would still demolish EVERY ONE butthurt about handicaps in the comments,like, run them through a wood chipper,and the rest of gg would steamroll what,96%? Fat Perez played the gg tournament shot 8 over, played the youtubers major shot 8 over, played myrtle beach shot 9 over, micah Morris played Idk how many tournaments usually shoots in the 80's(89 at myrtle!!),horvat shot 79 at the myrtle beach classic (look what happens, right??),mdjack 11 over, Peter finch shot higher than shiels in open qualifying(80's?), George bryan finished 25 shots back from a card in last year's q school qualifiers, is it correct to come here with that "look what happens when you re tee "? Anyone who is somewhat proficient at golf knows that some days you have it, some days you don't.

[@brianmurray4199]

@@inb4230 not using a bad round that's just an example. They never play provisional they play everything as a lateral so that scenario will never happen for them. They don't actually play by the rules of golf. You seem to not understand that. I understand what your saying about the what they do for the videos. But you can't use there rules and turn in the scores. They've said they turn those scores in. They know it that's why at the creator cup Garret wouldn't say his hcp. He just said he's barely above scratch.

[@claybrinkman533]

​@@brianmurray4199Those types of rounds on GG weeks don't get posted for their handicaps. Not every time you swing a golf club counts towards your cap

[@brianmurray4199]

@@claybrinkman533 ok bro. I'm not hating on them. Have a great day or night depending on where you are

[@bradyflaten]

GHIN app only calculates Net double bogey for max hole score.

[@lou9108]

Just a quick question? How long does those best of 8 scores stay on the handicap process?

[@andyfrizzell4352]

It stays in the system for 20 rounds. Every time you submit a new score the oldest score is removed.

[@DavidChalke]

How do you know what tees to play from?

[@PYGolf]

Dope video

[@julian_bl0384]

they should have explained how Riggs from barstool is a 3 Hcpi 🤨

[@dddmmm21]

This is a terminology (and conceptual) mess. I get the players handicap. The problem is they use similar terminology to rate the course and to rate the hole! A course's Handicap rating will be a number is the ballpark of the course's PAR, and higher numbers mean more difficult. But then you have the HOLE's handicap rating, which seems to be in a completely different scale, with numbers from 1 to 15 lets say, it shows not corelation to the hole's par and, incredibly, the lower the number more difficult it is. So a good follow up video would be for him to better explain on how to interpret the Course Rating's, the Course' Slope and Hole's rating.

[@swayt2725]

Course rating = difficulty for scratch players. Slope = the mathematical calculation of how much harder the course is for the bogey golfer. (Think of a course with a lot of marshes and hazzards that really aren't in play for a good player, but the bogey golfer will find often. That stuff contributes to slope.) Differential = Your score against the difficulty of the course. Sometimes it's directly what you shot vs rating, but also sometimes course conditions, your handicap and slope are calculated in. Hole pars - at my club we play a lot of net games. I'm a +2, john is an 8, and we're playing match play. The hole handicaps determine which holes john gets a stroke and which holes he does not. I'm giving a stroke on the hardest 8 holes. (front is all odd numbers, back is all even.)

[@TheVillest]

@@swayt2725 you'd be giving john 10 stokes if you were a +2 brotha lol...

[@TheVillest]

the handicap system as a whole is flawed. most players, even better ones only play to their handicap 20% of the time, even less. only counting your most current 8 best scores is not a true reflection of ones ability. its a reflection of their ability on their best days which are far and few between. like i say, whats a better gauge of someones true ability, the 1 out of 5 or the other 4 rounds that aren't getting counted lol 🤷‍♂

[@swayt2725]

@@TheVillest Good at hitting a ball, bad at math*

[@fatpandaJP]

They play hard courses but they also play convenient/custom rules. Brad is actually +5 but the rest of them are prob 2 strokes higher than posted. Not hating because the exaggerated handicap only will make it harder for them when they play in real events where they have to give more strokes. I just think if they didn’t play OB as hazard we would prob see bubby closer to 6 and Garrett closer to +2.5. All of them are better than me either way

[@davedunst7133]

I appreciate the fact that they're addressing this honestly and with an expert present. The fact, however, is that viewers are not seeing the rounds that have been submitted for calculation. Many assume that these guys play with gimmes, and OB as lateral hazard every round, as if we see every round they play. There are a lot of people who think that what we see in videos is included in the handicap calculations. However, we don't see either the 66s or the 87s Garrett mentions. The fact that G plays off a +5 simply means that his scoring on his good days is really good. The evidence we see in videos points to G's struggles to become a more consistent scorer when things aren't going his way.

[@claybrinkman533]

100%. People think the GG videos are what go into their handicaps, when the reality is we've likely seen 2 or 3 of the 20 rounds each of them have posted.

[@bobbys4327]

@@claybrinkman533 c'mon man, now you are trying to use logic with the chirpers lol. These chirpers think that the GG are using the scores from the fun stuff videos they play on their channel (which they are not). For some reason I guess they think the GG play bad all the time and really do not understand the system at hand right now. lol

[@TheVillest]

if garret was a legit +5 he could be playing professionally at some level. to even hack it on the lower level mini tours you need to be a SOLID +3, and that's middle of the road. this is why in my eyes the handicap system is very flawed. most players, including better players only play to their handicap 20% of the time, even less. only counting the most recent 8 best scores isn't logical. those are your best days. whats a better representation/gauge of a players true ability, the 1 out of 5 or the other 4 rounds that aren't being counted lol

[@davedunst7133]

@@TheVillest There's certainly am argument to be made that the system itself is flawed if the goal is to rank players of various tiers of play. However, the purpose of the handicap system isn't to measure who could be a pro or not, it's to create a scoring environment in which players of varying ability could compete together. I think for that purpose it works pretty well, considering the recent GG pro major. G didn't play his best, nor did the pros, and Garrett was about 5 shots worse than tournament-hardened professional golfers.

[@TheVillest]

@@davedunst7133 i’m a former club pro, you’re preaching to the choir brotha lol. of course the handicapping system isn’t for the pros. i’m just merely stating that if some of these guys were really as good as what their handicap suggests, they could* play/compete at some type of professional level. someone like a ben hadden smokes garret even on a bad day. look at a guy like dalke, as good as he is, even he couldn’t make it professionally. even luke kwon, george bryan, who are both probably in the legit +3 to +5 range

[@cgbach]

Needed this!!!!

[@jordan3305]

I thought I was watching halo because of the intro music after 3 seconds after the start 😂

[@JasonkmLi]

Good Good comments went from: "You guys should get official handicaps so that everyone has a chance to win the majors" And then they became: "I don't know how the handicap system works, but I don't believe you"

[@poz6294]

Haha exactly this.

[@ScottDreyfus]

The best thing about being an adult is not having to give a 💩 what the peanut gallery has to say since KZbin is even a real place. It’s one giant ad and if you waste a second of your time worrying about trolls online you may need professional help. Love and hate all move the algorithm. It’s the same emotion at the end of the day.

[@poz6294]

@ScottDreyfus the best part about being an adult is that i can have froot loops for breakfast when ever I want.

[@JAYBILLION_DOLLAR]

I've been saving for a long time instead of investing, and right now I only have about $516k. I'm not sure how to make it grow, considering all the inflation, into something substantial that I might use for retirement. I'm just here for ideas.

[@poz6294]

@@JAYBILLION_DOLLAR coke and hookers my man.

[@Jejdhbxjejdbdwjjwjeixbdbwjw]

Bring the podcast back. I need something to listen to during work

[@Greg-GT1]

There is no misconception...it's called Golflink...it's worldwide...your playing everywhere as hazards then taking drops 8 club lengths better off improves scores massively

[@JC-p7c]

Not a huge fan of the system, Maybe use your 8 best and then somehow factor in the average for the rest of the rounds into it as well, take away some of the volatility from it. I think Brad beats Garret by more than 5 strokes more often than Garrett beats Brad straight up.. Seems like something in the system is broken if their handicaps are that close and that is the case.

[@zachdonn2]

what is the gen app?

[@roberttexas3618]

What know one has been able to explained well . my home course my average index is like 10 from the gold tees slope is like 120 . Why is it I don’t get 10 shots. When playing a person who’s a 10 index from a tee back?

[@tdaveniii]

The vast majority of the keyboard warriors who don't understand how GHIN works are still not going to get it even after watching this video. Better to not waste any effort with them.

[@mre_man]

Clearly goodgood is butt Hurt by it to feel the need to defend themselves. Plus in real competition you know they suckass!

[@minibullet91]

Edited videos help too.

[@Marc89000]

What does the USGA recommend for a Canadian, can I use this app?

[@jed1775]

Yes! I’m not from the us and have the GHIN app

[@Marc89000]

I don't believe you. I cannot open an account outside the USA.

[@TheVillest]

i've always thought the handicap system is terribly flawed. it calculates your best days but your best days, in the eyes of the USGA only happen about 20% of the time for a vast majority of golfers, even better players. so, what is a better representation of your actual ability, what you score 20% of the time or what you score 80% of the time? it really should just be a running total of all your scores, not just your most recent best ones.

[@TheVillest]

@alexlindsey6446 yeah, you are 100% correct bro. i’ve played the bethpage blacks, pebble beaches, tpc sawgrass etc. of the world and i’ve played other courses that were rated on the same kind of level that weren’t even remotely close to some of the ones i just mentioned

[@Ifishmo]

For a video label 'Explains Handicap Misconceptions'....this was about as bad as it could be, just terrible. I expect much more from my free content!!! :D

[@Dreama40]

Rule of thumb, most people only shoot their 'handicap' once every 5-6 rounds of golf.

[@louiskennedy9065]

Yes, but a player should stay within a decent variation of their handicap, I would say about + or - 5 strokes.

[@kellyharbour7140]

Did ee entials 😂 Mo ❤

[@michael-1382]

Life is great

[@BlueArmeh88]

Handicap system needs to stop allowing people submitting general play round towards handicaps. So many do this to keep their hcp high and then turn up on comp days and shoot net 60-62 its BS. The 8 out of 20 is fine for me but not the score differential. Thats wrong. I can shoot 80-82 gross but they saying thats score diff of 7-8. No its not stop it. You shouldnt have a single figure without numerous rounds under 80. If your course is tough and you have a higher hcp deal with it.

[@bobbys4327]

yeah, played a couples tournament once where this guy has like a 24 handicap. He goes around paring and birdieing the whole friggen golf course. You can tell by playing with someone if they are actually really good and this guy was a sandbagger. Yeah, before a tournament coming up, go out and play a sh!tload of golf. Turn in the 98, 105, 110 ect. Get a high hdcp then go play scratch golf at the tournament.

[@patrickoreilly4119]

The US is the only place where this happens. Australia, UK...we can only submit cards in competition. GHIN is a joke. From what I have seen a player in the US off 5 is a UK/AUS 8-10.

[@BlueArmeh88]

@@patrickoreilly4119 not true, I am referring to UK golfers specifically at my club in England where it happens all the time with people playing general play going on myenglandgolf and uploading these scorecards. I would agree though US handicaps would be much higher on UK courses

[@johnamckinley]

No lift, clean, and place please!

[@rickvermeulen3678]

Yeah the handicap looks at the golfers POTENTIAL not average, im a 7 handicap and i score 80-84 on average but i can get a round of a 76 78 every now and then.

[@cledesma135]

Another thing is honesty . Im sure some balls magically appear when the cameras are not recording. Be true.

[@johnlabernik4599]

Cheating your handicap lower is counter productive lol. The people that are upset have obviously never played in a handicapped league. Sandbaggers and high handicaps always win in the end.

[@williamwetherington844]

as a senior citizen i can claim short term memory loss on not adding penalties strokes or forgetting those that go 50 yards and just count one stroke over par. no need to add strokes, you've already loss the hole. using this technique i find am consistently under 30 on the front or the back 9. another way to figure when to start counting strokes is when all your handicap strokes are all used up.

[@austinbernal1312]

To be honest this didn’t explain how a handicap actually works. As far as this handicap is good and how a number of 0 is even formulated for a handicap.. very confusing still looking for answers.

[@jcap415]

They should just tell the viewers the last score they played in the golf course so it can be simple this handicapped stuff is confusing

[@zylopvp8942]

love the vids but im sorry garrett is not a + handicap