Google breakup, bcacheFS drama (again), Steam Controller 2: Linux & Open Source News

[@TheLinuxEXP]

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[@ransan]

Video chapters?

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@ransan They're missing, like Hans Reiser's wife's body.

[@Corbẏn-c7n]

It would be nice if you promoted an open source web site builder and host

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@Corbẏn-c7n I agree. At least they're not doing something unethical like WordPress was.

[@hamtaro126]

THUMBS DOWN!!!

[@lellyparker]

This is important work to maintain a free-market, but not enough of it happens. They should have broken up Microsoft years ago, and they were going to.. except some dodgy weirdness happened at the very last second, the judge was replaced and Microsoft miraculously got off the hook.

[@BeefIngot]

@@lellyparker This seems to always be how it is for corporations. Justice is just suspiciously too slow and clumsy to get the job done every time and they end up with slaps on the wrist. Right now, we might not be forced to use one operating system of we want to use any number of apps that are now considered vital for various industries if that had happened.

[@ettoreatalan8303]

This is actually not miraculously at all. The fact that Microsoft software dominates the world market is important for the “national security” of the USA or, in other words, for the capabilities of its three-letter agencies.

[@gogereaver349]

Unlike Microsoft. Chrome is open source and has a ton of forks. Such a sale can't even happen. What would google be selling other than a name?

[@bilditup1]

It was not “dodgy weirdness”. Bush became president, his appointees instituted a more pliant and corporate-friendly DoJ, and, per usual when the GOP comes to power, big business won, and everybody else lost. Don’t be surprised if the exact same thing happens in the Google case regardless of what the outgoing DoJ is trying to do.

[@themedleb]

The deep gov relies on these huge companies, they can't let them break apart and lose power while they are in need of them, so they would do anything to keep them on top including replacing judges.

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

As an Anti-Google Militant, how plausible it is that an FSF-like foundation were to maintain Chrome?

[@odue]

As much as we'd like that, it almost certainly won't happen. Google will find some loophole that allows them to continue maintaining Chrome, if not directly then indirectly.

[@lautarofafw232]

You are so anti-Google that you use their products, you are the same as leftists who use products made in capitalism.

[@lautarofafw232]

Before being anti-business, you should be anti artificial monopolies defended by state regulations and laws, and by taxes that destroy their competition.

[@BeefIngot]

Impossible.

[@Linux_ASMR]

Even if Chrome disappears, the open source base , chromium will still be there and will get picked up by someone else, so I'm not worried about chrome going away. Now whether an FSF like entity has enough ressources to maintain a web browser is a different story...

[@AlbusRegis]

The original steam controller was ahead of its time as a concept. Now that they had time to refine the tech on the Steam Deck the steam controller 2 could be a better alternative to the other high quality controllers, specially so because those have increased in price significantly without any noticeable innovative changes.

[@BeefIngot]

God I wish I got a steam controller or 2 imported when they were 20 bucks. It looks so cool but I can't justify paying 200 bucks for a scalpers chest of new in box supply.

[@Thorned_Rose]

@@BeefIngot Holy crap, I had no idea the price had gone through the roof. I love our Steam controller and using it almost everyday atm.

[@BeefIngot]

@@Thorned_Rose Just rub it in why don'tcha! 😢

[@Thorned_Rose]

@@BeefIngot Sorry, I wasn't meaning to! :/ Just meant how glad I was that we have one. I wish I could get another one - sick of blimmin Xbox controllers constantly getting stick drift whereas the Steam controller is still going strong after many years. I just about choked when I saw the price for a second hand one on Ebay :( Hopefully there is indeed a new model coming out that will be affordable or at least drive down the price of the old ones!

[@BeefIngot]

@Thorned_Rose OH no, I was just joking 😅

[@mwolfer1]

Thumbs up for the Tuxedo team. Accidents will happen, what counts is how people/companies react to it. Tuxedo obviously did as much as they could short term, and committed to fixing the rest asap. Nice going!

[@red5355dragon]

Except the fix has taken over 5 years, and was only implemented after they were blacklisted

[@dead_art]

Yeah, sponsors do only "honest mistakes"…

[@illuminerdy]

It's okay we dont want google inside linux, we do want steam inside linux. I'd much rather have the private company taking its time to develop something with passion than a publicly traded known data digger creepazoid trying to convince the linux space to give up privacy for security.

[@mambasvg]

whos we lil bro

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

@@AZM1426 Or the whole Palworld v. Nintendo/Gamefreak/Pokemon thing, Differences acknowledged.

[@illuminerdy]

@@AZM1426 Dilettante

[@illuminerdy]

@@mambasvg 20 v 2 atm

[@snowthearcticfox1]

​@AZM1426 valve isn't a mega Corp, they do a handful of things related to gaming and that's it, and they only employ about~350 people.

[@AnnCatsanndra]

It is *SO* hard to get involved in the Linux Kernel development, Kent knew what he was getting involved in when they were considering accepting his code, and his attempts to pressure and disrupt something so critical and sensitive seems to suggest he absolutely should not be touching *anything* involved with the Kernel. Trying to enforce time pressure and bypass considerations of safety and caution are classic signs of malicious schemes, so I am now *entirely* convinced that bcachefs was going to be used to attempt to trojan horse in some other kind of backdoor later once people had their guard down.

[@vulpo]

That's what it looks like.

[@retagainez]

This is just such an ignorant world view, especially for a software environment with over-the-top code review practices and high barriers of entry. Rather than speculating on an individual if they're trojan horsing, why not just make your project better defended against such things with proactiveness rather than reactiveness while keeping it open for modification?

[@archlinuxsys]

@@retagainez staging env exist for that reason, why push it to prod env risking most of the userbase?

[@framegrace1]

@@retagainez For how long one can try proactiveness before moving to harder ways? They tried for months, really. Some of the developer has much more patience with that douche that he deserved. I would have done this waaaaaay before.... To be part of the Linux Kernel submiters is a privilege, not a right. You have to follow procedures or we are doomed.

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

So now there's an implication that Kent Overstreet is going to be putting in back doors into the kernel? Wtaf is going on.

[@lepidusthewiser]

So, Chrome OS will just become the thing it was already but worse: A locked down phone operating system on shitty laptops?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yep

[@CommentGuard717]

This is what I'm worried about. Actually. I bought a Chromebook and installed arch Linux on it but I'm worried if this is still going to be possible

[@BeefIngot]

@@lepidusthewiser Hey now, it's worse than that. they are also garunteed ewaste after their update period!

[@NreKonkoro-vt2fo]

@@CommentGuard717 Void Linux has ARM support. A similar spirit as Arch but a simpler operating system that you can build from the ground up.

[@CommentGuard717]

@@NreKonkoro-vt2fo but currently on Chromebooks whether there arm or x86 (mying is 13100f) you have to put it in developer mode and then run a script to flash a new bootloader onto it. This is actually quite similar to Androids and the process to unlocking their bootloader, however, it's not clear what will happen if Google has to sell Chrome since Chrome OS is branded off of Chrome. If Chrome OS has also sold, the other company might remove this since the most used for Chromebooks is in schools which unlocking the bootloader would not be helpful in that case

[@drkevorkian2508]

"Roy" as in Roy Batty from Blade Runner, the protagonist of which is Deckard, the codename of the Valve Index 2.

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

and Ibex as in EE-bex, not EYE-bex.

[@BudgeTheCat]

wasn't 'roy' a joke about virtual reality games in Rick and Morty

[@themedleb]

Roy (is a VR controller): Reality of yours.

[@xperience-evolution]

MS is also a monopoly on PC operating systems. When will they make them sell something.

[@xgui4-studios]

and apple is also a evil monopoly on macs pcs! Edits : also iphones

[@TimothyButterworth]

This is not surprising. MS wants to get into the advertisement and search engine business so now Google is being threatened. I wonder how many government lackies MS is keeping on the payroll these days.

[@TimothyButterworth]

MS will also soon be a monopoly in video gaming as they are buying all the video game companies.

[@unnainconnu9098]

@@mattkwarren Yeah right, same thing for Google Chrome then.

[@drewo.127]

8:06 my social skills aren’t perfect either, and I agree that using that as an excuse for bad behavior is just plain wrong! Even if this Kent guy genuinely has issues that are understandable, none of it excuses what he did/said/etc.

[@chillpumkin]

Exactly, as someone who went into full blown anxiety when talking with anyone, it is _on you_ to ensure that you are able to work collaboratively with others. If not, you should either get help or get someone to converse on your behalf This is unacceptable

[@drewo.127]

@@chillpumkin Something that kinda helps me is typing out my thoughts so I can actually see what I’m trying to say and then make any edits to condense it and streamline it while making sure my thoughts are still getting across! (This is why texting and commenting is very helpful for me! Although I still tend to get a bit wordy and sometimes over think what I’m typing. But I’m still working on it and it’s getting better!)

[@1KiloDepartment]

​@@drewo.127 Lmao I guess we all have the same problem, and the same solution :D I too write long comments sometimes. While in the real-world, it takes a while before I can socialize with strangers. Only problem I've encountered is that YT has some wonky filters that may or may not get triggered by such comments. And whatever "rules" they seem to follow, someone breaks them :P

[@garrettrinquest1605]

I think the Steam controller 2 will just be the Steam Deck's control layout, without the rest of the Deck

[@kenneth_jensen]

So when will Apple go through the same? Their eco system is even more closed 😮

[@framegrace1]

The DOJ has a lawsuit for them too, let's see how it goes.

[@Wkaelx]

@@framegrace1 You get a lawsuit, you get a lawsuit, you too, everyone gets a lawsuit!

[@TimothyButterworth]

Apple does not have a majority market share in any of their business units. They are really a niche market with die hard users.

[@kenneth_jensen]

@@Wkaelx 😅🤣

[@kenneth_jensen]

@TimothyButterworth they have in my country. Here, their tablets are called iPad and if you say: "Nice tablet", they will respond with: "It's not a tablet, it's an iPad " 😅 But running about it, Apple have actually already gone through some. They changed their plug to USB-C on their iPhones and had to implement RCS, so everyone can talk in group messages 🙂 But it's not completely the same as what Google are going through now. Imagine you have a company, where you have to let go of your own product because of another one of your products are widely used 😮

[@altrogeruvah]

Kent Overstreet being a humble and civil team player for 24h (IMPOSSIBLE)

[@inraid]

Hans Reiser and Kent Overstreet are both exquisite pieces of work. I had the opportunity(?) to meet them both and had to try hard to stay below their thresholds of irritation!

[@Doc4]

Counterpoint, ChromeOS features merged into Android may mean running desktop software on android gets better

[@BeefIngot]

@@Doc4 But does that benefit us in any way?

[@Doc4]

@BeefIngot Easily. Running Linux or Windows software on your phone like it's native software, though some would have to go through an x86-ARM translation layer

[@Thebeast_QwQ]

5:57 tbh its not like Linus hasn't said worse, so i guess i can kinda see where hes coming from

[@aladdin8623]

The same verdict should apply to Microsoft too. Otherwise this doesn't make any sense.

[@ivolol]

Note, that it seems that requiring a public apology was added by the Linux CoC maintainers recently (practically concurrent to the bcachefs drama) seemingly especially just for this case. Making up the rules as they go. If we're wanting to punish people who's ego makes them think they're exceptions, then it's not a good look to running the same exceptional rule-making in tandem to that behaviour.

[@Linux_ASMR]

It's about time to regulate big tech corporations and break their monopolies. Let's go after Google first, then Microsoft, Meta and Apple.

[@RubenKelevra]

Well, but the vote made this basically impossible

[@diggajupadhyay]

Why Meta, though? Do they force you use their platforms? Probably not. If you decide to use their services, you're agreeing to their rules. It's their platform, so they get to set the terms. It’s kind of like going to someone’s house and complaining about their house rules. If you don’t like it, you can always leave. Personally, I don't use the service that I don't like. I like to keep things just as simple as that.

[@MrGamelover23]

​@@diggajupadhyayThink about WhatsApp. That's quite literally how the majority of Europe texts

[@lautarofafw232]

When you regulate you only cause the opposite, you have to deregulate, lower taxes and let the market work. You favor the generation of artificial monopolies, not natural ones. You should review these concepts.

[@sturmes2296]

​@@MrGamelover23and?

[@xperience-evolution]

If they take Google apart they also have to take Windows away from MS and take Apple, Amazon, etc apart.

[@ettoreatalan8303]

The US government will not like the idea of weakening the dominance of US companies in important key technologies on the global market.

[@sylvershadow1247]

Pretty sure Kent's comments that were shown would equal to entertainment if that were Linus saying that

[@ss-xy2im]

Would linux have existed if there was a CoC when linus started (or for the 1st 2 decades of linux)? Just a thought 🤔

[@tonyjohnson1580]

Nope. Linus has said and continues to say many things that would have made linux a no go if some form of CoC was implemented for the use of GNU. Also forced public apologies are not something most people are willing to do.

[@N0neconformist]

The Drama isnt about bcachefs, but how it was handled on the LF side things, the code of conduct was updated after.

[@dtaggartofRTD]

The code of conduct recently changed. That public apology thing is a very new thing.

[@gregorydcollins512]

I worked at the Oracle World HQ 20+ years ago, and some of the most brilliant and invaluable programmers would fall in this same “A. H.” category. One was do out there, that he had is one handler a a separate off-campus office space. I may have been the closest thing that he had to a friend at work. A acquired much respect for his work, and tolerance for his many foibles.

[@iopqu]

I can't believe they deleted ReiserFS, its performance was killer

[@inraid]

And it lost or corrupted data just as fast as it could write it to the disk ;-)

[@artim96]

While I agree that ChromeOS being converted to Android won't be a good thing, while Google adopting widely used tool to convert it into a run-of-the-mill Linux distro might have been, there also has been some similarly adjacent news: With the current Android 15 QPR Beta (well, it still is current as it doesn't seem the latest beta is actually already rolling out), for probably the first time in all of the existence of Android, Google actually updates the Kernels for their Pixel devies. You know, like a normal Linux distro would do. Until now, they only backported changes themselves or relied on LTS releases. But now that LTS will be limited to just two years, while more OEMs promise like 5-7 years of updates, a solution had to be found. As it seems, all still supported Pixel devices have been updated to be based on Linux 6.1.99. So whatever Google figured out to make all those closed source driver modules and firmware work on newer Kernels, maybe there is stuff others can profit off too. Like Custom ROMs being easier to create, maybe even Linux distros for the Android Chromebooks, that may still need the Android-Linux Kernel but can otherwise be used as a normal Linux distro. Also I think forcing Google to sell off Chrome or Android would be just plain out dumb. Instead, there should be some control over both, like Chrome needing to adhere to certain standards that would in turn force them to allow proper ad-blocks again and all data collection to be transparent, optional and opt-in - you know, like at least Europe mandates for years already. Fact is, Chrome and Android are the biggest in their categories, selling them would harm everybody. Chrome/Chromium is the base for pretty much every browser and the lead when it comes to developing and adopting web standards. No other company would be able to take over, as literally just Mozilla and Apple are left as competition, and they are already struggling a lot. We don't need all Chromium-based browser to become another Safari, and I honestly don't believe browsers just all hopping on Firefox, or even contributing to it. That's the reason why everybody ditched their own engine. And Android? There is only iOS left, and that is just a steaming pile of garbage with a fancy paint job. There has been a duopoly for way too many years for any competition to emerge and stick around. And I don't even see Samsung taking over fully without compromising too much, and everyone else would most certainly lock things down at least as bad as iOS does. Then you can say goodbye to devices where you can even install Custom ROMs, let alone things like Ubuntu Touch, SailfishOS or postmarket OS.

[@Tsunamii_]

Hope you get better very quickly!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thank you!

[@KarminsLynn]

How will this effect the whole manifest v3 and anti adblock business that they were cooking?

[@bhargavjitbhuyan9394]

I don't think so. The only good web browsers left after this would be brave, Vivaldi and Firefox (or other web browsers with adblock installed).

[@cameronbosch1213]

I don't know. But I do know Mozilla is going to die soon if they don't get their shit together immediately.

[@Tragicomedy2137]

you can still run adblocks on Chrome and Chromium tho. And Im glad they rolled Manifest v3, extensions had way too much power before

[@jamesclow108]

I find it hilarious that they go after Google for monopoly, yet Microsoft remain untouched as always with the Desktop monopoly.

[@blackj2121]

Why aren't them also breaking up Apple? Apple forces anything from software and hardware, pc, laptops and mobile into their own ecosystem.

[@TimothyButterworth]

Apple does not have a majority market share in any of their business units. They are really a niche market with die hard users.

[@TimothyButterworth]

I switched to a iPad a while back because it provides all the services on Apple, Google and Amazon on one device. Amazon Fire is missing a lot of Google Services because Google doesn't make them available in the Amazon app store. Of course Apple services are only available on Apple Devices.

[@blackj2121]

​@@TimothyButterworth Many people around me use iPhones, and I'm not from the US. What might have been a niche market years ago is no longer the case, and it's unlikely to be so in the future as their monopolistic strategies aim for a majority market share in all their business units. They do not share their technological advancements, despite having leveraged the innovations of other companies when they did not own the leading technology.

[@blackj2121]

I hope it is obvious I am a Linux user, so I value hardware providers that offer the flexibility to install Linux on their products ...

[@toddmassure7598]

Off topic-It’s possible I missed it, but I don’t think that you have covered the release of FreeCAD 1.0, which is a big deal for many of us in the FOSS world which is sorely lacking in many good CAD options.

[@IamusTheFox]

Freecad 1.0 is so huge.

[@GardenData61371]

How do I get Nick's autograph?

[@BeefIngot]

- Work your way into the delivery network of one of Frances most popular delivery companies. - Deliver packages surreptitiously, silently collecting your paychecks and doing your job undercover. - Await the day you deliver a Package to Nick. - Get his signature as proof of delivery. Mission accomplished.

[@Pandacier]

Does a heart from him count?

[@GardenData61371]

@@Pandacier yes 🗿

[@elzabethtatcher9570]

It's hard to take CoC seriously whileLinus is not stomped by it.

[@isaacbarahonahidalgo9427]

11:53 Really hope it is true, I currently use a Xbox One controller with the wireless dongle but the xone driver can be kinda buggy sometimes.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Same here, hence why I'm going for Hori's option, as that seems to have Steam Deck compatability.

[@JoaoPedro-ki7ct]

@Fossil-e4w Are you using 2.4G or Bluetooth?

[@JoaoPedro-ki7ct]

​@Fossil-e4w Interference maybe? I use this mode for more than a year I never had an issue on Fedora desktop, the Bluetooth can be flaky because of some weird BlueZ behavior with my dedicated Intel wireless card (WiFi is solid though), but regardless of the system, all wireless modes have been working great on my controller. I am using a cheap USB hub even. Maybe you could try using the native USB ports of the back of your motherboard

[@JoaoPedro-ki7ct]

@Fossil-e4w I also have a cheap wireless keyboard/mouse dongle (elongated nameless Logitech model), one USB port apart from the 8BitDo dongle, along with a WiFi 6 router located on the left very close together. It might help you if you put the dongles on top of your PC case, and use the USB 3.0 port or newer instead.

[@JoaoPedro-ki7ct]

@Fossil-e4w However I do use mine no more than one meter away from the dongle because I have small bedroom, could be the distance

[@christopherjaya342]

If compared to Linus' old e-mails, Kent did sound as polite and as patient as a saint, lmao. The Linux devs are trying to kick him out (rightfully so) but they are run out of good idea, and then Kent gave them one. Kinda.

[@Sen3D]

10:48 If it's not a CoC problem, then why is it a CoC problem? If he's a problematic developer they should deal with it directly and not turn to identity-politics.

[@jordan.ellis.hunter]

Words made in a public space (like a mailing list) should always be resolved (like in an apology) in a public space. If someone spews insults and everything is quite afterwards (even if this has been resolved privatly) what message does that send to bystanders? (like ppl who are not part of the project yet but are thinking about it, or developers of the project who want to raise concernes about a technical issue)

[@thescrewfly]

Somehow I don't think it will be at all difficult for Google to continue as a monopoly regardless under the new US administration, both parties having displayed blatantly quid pro quo attitudes on previous occasions....

[@ettoreatalan8303]

A US company that exploits its dominance on the global market is better than a Chinese/Russian/Japanese/European company that fills the gap. Every US administration thinks this way.

[@alfos.192]

10:55 Can this new controller *not* have stick drift like the Index Knuckles?

[@onoitsu2-]

I am sadly disappointed that the Steam controller itself was discontinued. It is SO powerful! Had a learning curve, but add the touchpad and motion control and muscle memory and reaction times can be INSANE! I've been wanting a new one, because they are wearing and eventually will have to be replaced at a great cost to do so, and it is ergonomic unlike playing using keyboard and mouse, or other controllers on the market today, as they lack such defined motion control, so that's a real issue for those with carpal tunnel and still want to play things.

[@nikitf7777]

Honestly I don't understand your concerns about the merging of ChromeOS and Android. I think this will be beneficial for all because it means that from now changes, made for Google's desktops will also appear in phones and tablets, and that means that mobile devices will probably because more powerful in terms of OS capabilities (and maybe even hardware features)

[@mattkeith530]

If this new Android allows me to use my phone as a desktop.. that might be reason enough to drop my laptop and just use my phone full time. So I'm down for it lol

[@red5355dragon]

Android has had a desktop mode for a long time. You just need a usb-c dock.

[@mattkeith530]

@red5355dragon and a phone that supports display port over USB c which the pixel series didnt support until very recently. Are you talking about dex though? Because stock android doesn't have a task bar or anything it just makes the display bigger

[@red5355dragon]

@@mattkeith530 no, dex is samsung only. stock android has had desktop mode since andriod 11 and added a taskbar and other stuff in android 15. It is still not very good though.

[@gerarderloper]

10:39 Yes, he seems to have a issue approaching things differently given he's a murderer to boot. Kind if funny how those line up so cleanly with his online personality.

[@CaffeinePyroxene]

I'm in favor of chromeos turning into android. I love this transition

[@alicethegrinsecatz6011]

Waddle on, little penguin, don’t feel so blue, The cold can’t keep a strong soul like you. Rest your wings, let the chill drift away, Warmth and health will return any day. Through frosty winds and icy tides, A penguin's strength always abides. So sip some tea, take it slow, Soon you’ll waddle with a healthy glow. Hope you recover from your cokd soon!

[@THeck_23]

Btw. any news about the Manjaro devs? Got the feeling they´re struggling with the time near updates. I'm still missing FF 132?! And the last months before the system prompted updates more regulary?! Any one else the same feeling? Thanks!

[@cameronbosch1213]

What about the SSL certificates? 😂

[@THeck_23]

@@cameronbosch1213 Nothing unexpected! ;D

[@ukaszpalczewski7588]

Just as songs need lyrics, this channel needs comments!

[@jerryferreira8960]

0:15 😢🤢 Hope you don't get too sick.

[@JorgeLopez-qj8pu]

4:50 I disagree, if he acted bad and if at best a community can do is public shaming for bad behavior, then him PUBLICLY apologizing is needed, him being unable/unwilling, shows a continued level of egotistic/misbehavior he will continue to be.

[@JiafeiTheQueen]

Personally I think that if google wants to change its things, they should be able to do. If google wants to recreate chrome os, making it just a redistribution of android, i think there's nothing to worry about, they're trying to make chrome os works better in their ecosystem. You can not install chrome os on other laptops that aren't chromebooks, so i ask myself, who gives a shit about that? The only thing that is important that google adds, is better support to add a bootloader to these devices, so it's easier to change if people wants, they make money anyway. Things are a bit more spicy and important in open source projects, like chromiumos, but also if they decide to stop the developing of chromiumos to have just android to work on, it is however open source, so the thing here is to make sure android will be really open source, like i read on some comments. But this is just my opinion, feel free to discuss it if you want, just make sure it'll be a great place to share ideas, and not convincing anyone on personal ones

[@SFtheWolf]

I will die on the hill that the steam controller was the best* gamepad available and that gamers just rejected it because they don't want to give anything a chance that isn't basically a dualshock, so I'm thrilled that there's a new one. *except the neo geo CD pad with the clicky stick

[@NightSprinter]

"Roy" is another Blade Runner reference. This time the antagonist, as opposed to the Deckard's protagonist reference.

[@screenoholic]

My favourite journalist!

[@lugaidster]

The bcachefs issue has nothing to do with past issues with the process. I expected better from you. The issue is about another issue separately where Kent snapped out to another maintainer about code that is tangentially related to bcachefs. The only thing related to bcachefs is that Kent is the author of Bcachefs. Furthermore, the issue ocurred in august, its not a new issue.

[@DryPaperHammerBro]

What happens if you're using ReiserFS and you update?

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

Gets replaced to whatever FS is used.

[@BarafuAlbino]

The kernel would be unable to mount it. claiming it is an unknown FS. It should not damage the FS. And probably, someone will make a userspace FUSE driver for being able to use it anyway.

[@mecanical5597]

Your wife mysteriously disappears from what I've heard.

[@anonimuso]

Switch to Windows.

[@DryPaperHammerBro]

@@anonimuso Why? Why would I use that piece of shit?

[@cameronbosch1213]

Nick: Talks about the Tuxedo controversy. Also Nick: Puts a Tuxedo sponser at the end of the video. Me: 🤨 (Edit: my original comment got deleted.)

[@williamepps9519]

I had an issue with that too. I love Nick, but talking about your biggest sponsor and then having a sponsorship from them at the end is bad optics. What bothered me more was he used what Tuxedo did and the changes that they were forced to do as part of the selling points in the sponsorship. That's even worse optics.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@williamepps9519 You said it perfectly. I really like Nick's videos, but I think maybe he should have skipped Tuxedo sponsoring this particular video (like he does with other hardware videos).

[@BeefIngot]

@@cameronbosch1213 I imagine it's possible this wasn't specifically outlined as a possibility in the contract so he might not have been as confident doing it here where he might have had it outlined for hardware reviews, but that's just a guess.

[@Tragicomedy2137]

Yeah, he shouldn't mention that at all.

[@ColasTeam]

I LOVE the original Steam controller, I managed to get 1 before they became crazy expensive and it's my main controller, so the prospect of getting an improved sequel at reasonable prices is very exciting. I'll focus on that good news, because everything else is very grim haha, I don't really trust the US goverment to follow trough on actually breaking google apart...

[@coder2665]

What comedy, Linus Torvalds frequently breaks CoC and we never even saw an apology once

[@inraid]

Yes, but he is the "owner"! ;-)

[@affieuk]

@@inraid One rule for me and another for thee, why bother with a CoC?

[@John_1-1_in_Japanese]

My thoughts exactly. I haven't used a Linux desktop for long so it's not like I have decades of examples to use but even I know that some angry rants, insults, and swears are par for the course lol. This just seems targetted.

[@dead_art]

Torwalds is The Boss. The Boss will aways have his pack of shills that sould rationalize any bs he would possibly say or do, and justify all the witch hunting on Their Majesty's behalf.

[@Tragicomedy2137]

@@inraid It doesn't matter. It's not how rules are made

[@Wilker_uwu]

i wonder if this is going to be something that affects the Android ecosystem in any way, as Google Play Services is a big component restricting my own personal struggle to be independent from Google when using non Google programs that still requires it for whatever reason, from annoyances by notifications when a service app displays a Google payment option, to certain banking apps that straight-up refuses to run if i have it uninstalled.

[@BenjaminWheeler0510]

What’s the point of steam machines? A huge portion of steam users build their own PCs, shouldn’t we be instead pushing for the release of steam OS so we can install it anywhere, like on a custom HTPC?

[@isaicicourel]

The code of conduct issue is that it doesn’t apply to all starting with Linus, so here we have a case in which no one knows who is allowed to insult others and who doesn’t, and which groups apply. Either make it explicit or don’t have a CoC that is optional depending on the individual.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Linus hasn’t insulted developers this way in a long time

[@isaicicourel]

@ Linus just broke CoC by expelling any possibly Russian, Russian-adjacent or Russian sounding contributor from the Kernel (1st violation of CoC), then promoted a hostile environment to any with Russian ancestry (2nd violation of CoC). But yea, no bad words used at this time.

[@terranbyte2619]

@@isaicicourel Well for the Russian expulsion, there wasn't much he can do. Its either Russian Devs stay and Devs that either work in American companies or are also americans themselves likely forced to leave working on the kernel due to the US's newest sanctions, which prevent any company or person from working with any russian national. And for that matter the ban or expulsion isn't like how you're describing it with some known russian devs being push out from working on certain of the kernel or having their work being checked. Also should be noted that sanctions like these would likely apply to a person that isn't an american national, but still employed by an american company as well. For example, the Cuban embargo prohibits any american company from doing any service to cuba that might help the cuban government, but a country like germany or another could not export anything to cuba as in order to do so would need a cargo ship that is insured but the insurance market for ships is dominated by american companies. Therefore, Unless the company that does the export wants to take the risk, can't ship the cargo to Cuba(and for that matter the cargo have to be german made with no american company involvement or money). There is also the Square payment system as an example a while back, where since it was an american business, it could not process any transactions that involved cuban goods, which became a headache for a lot coffee sellers in Canada that were selling cuban coffee beans since Canada doesn't have embargo on the country. so tdlr; because of US policy, the whole linux project had to do this in order for most developers to continue working on the project regardless of CoC or not. Also said decision would also impact any other project that has anyone that works in/for a US company or lives in the US.

[@affieuk]

@@terranbyte2619 All these devs that put their own time and effort into code for the kernel, should be kicked out in the way they were? Was it really so hard to send a message saying, sorry guys our hands are tied? Very civil and the snarky comment from Linus being Swedish.

[@dead_art]

​@@affieuk , Linus is The Boss, and The Boss always has his fair share of shills.

[@NobleHays]

Re:Tuxedo Drivers, There was communication, see brodie's video, dev's had been asking for the re-liscence for years.

[@Raio.Dourado]

Only Google leaves the United States, I'm sure many other countries will accept its monopoly

[@korakys]

US govt is so dumb about this stuff. Going after Chrome and Android, both open source projects, while Windows has a much stronger lock on the OS market.

[@TareoO]

Startpage uses Bing results, not Google. They switched a while back.

[@henrythoreau3681]

That ChromeOS to Android deal is going to be a real PITA for hardware driver porting. ChromeOS is very specific for chipsets, and the driver support is extremely thin as it is. This is going to jack up the resellers of chromebooks pretty damn hard.

[@DavidMBebber]

Kent should apologize publicly and invite Linus and others who are also abrasive to do the same.

[@BUDA20]

Wine 9.22 with Wyland driver active by default

[@ronm6585]

Thanks Nick.

[@burnin8orable]

Great, but how do we ensure that Chrome's purchaser doesn't just inherit the monopoly which google built?

[@gogereaver349]

Chrome is open source. Such a sale isn't even possible other than the name. Anyone is free to make a competing product and they do. Someone at the DOJ seems to have missed that, in fact with this whole manifest v3 nonsense competing browsers like Brave may even overtake them.

[@-1_void]

We absolutely need Google to sell Android. The reason it's so hard for phones to have anything other than Android is because manufacturers are locked in a contract by Google in which if they provide anything else than Android, Google won't provide updates for their hardware. With this restriction lifted, it'd probably be easier for custom ROMs to support more phones.

[@floppa9415]

Hell no, the last thing this world needs is more Consumer Software Platforms. Many devs already don't have their iOS and Android Version up to the same standards, if we now add 3 more competeting Platforms the App Problem is gonna get worse and worse.

[@-1_void]

@@floppa9415 Isn't that a problem custom roms could tackle ?

[@Sezamn]

@@floppa9415 you realise android ROMs are... still android, right?

[@framegrace1]

So you think that whoever buys Android who will have to survive with just Android license, will let go all the captive manufacturer's market for no reason? And will allow competence to thrive by opening it more?

[@-1_void]

@@framegrace1 good point actually...

[@krisspencer9769]

Wow that Kent guy from the BCacheFS is such a narcissist. Who would want to work with someone like that?

[@guss77]

Ibex is a kind of a deer that is common where I live, so I'm not sure what this has to do with coffee stained walls...

[@1234enzor]

"Kernel of our lifes" saga continues i love it

[@maxanimator9547]

sounds like we're getting a new linux fork

[@DavideDavini]

“Roy Kent! He's here, he's there, he's every-fucking-where!”

[@StarlordStavanger]

Feel better Nick! And sorry to see Brest lost to Monaco this week, but there’s always other matches!

[@CrashOverrideEXE]

That whole argument feels like a court ran by 4chan lol so toxic at least respect the men but I get why they mad he kept being dismissive which prolly pissed them off

[@diuran1919]

Finally, Chrome OS can die.

[@BeefIngot]

Though unfortunately that will result in piles of ewaste, though I guess it's only in the short term and less ewaste in the long term. So good actually.

[@stam_ehad]

To be fair Linus is the number one offender when it comes to dirty mouth and "unpleasant to work with" So the claim that this is the reason is laudable

[@inraid]

Hans Reiser and Kent Overstreet are both exquisite pieces of work. I had the opportunity(?) to meet them both and had to try hard to stay below their thresholds of irritation!

[@Cart1416]

I hope the new steam controller is like the steam deck

[@elyzsabethahne2116]

Cher Nick, Je vous souhaite une recuperation complete et rapide. Maintenant, je me sens une petite malade--aujord'hui, j'ai recu le vaccin contre le zona (vaccine against shingles). Je suis reconnaissant pour votre video. Merci beaucoup!

[@gitcat6671]

I for one think merging ChromeOS and Android is actually good: the linux support on ChromeOS was more experimental (pun intended) than practical, and it's sandboxed like hell. Although I can pin linux apps to the app menu, it has to boot up the linux vm first (unlike Android apps that "just works"), some peripherals like pen input don't work (unlike Android apps), I can't easily share files in and out of the VM (unlike Android apps), and the overall experience is removed and different from the overall desktop experience (unlike Android apps). The name of the feature also makes sure you know it's for "linux development." Even being Linux itself ChromeOS can't run linux programs easily, not to mention you can't at all change the default browser... except you could set a different default browser within the Android subsystem. You get the idea. What I'm excited about is that, by making Android behave explicitly more like ChromeOS, Android itself will become more standardised, and the work is already ongoing. Starting from Android 11 with 5.4+ kernel (and 13 for all kernel versions), Google is requiring device vendors to package drivers as a kernel module rather than maintaining a kernel fork. It's not full mainline but it's close; at least it will be the same kernel across every (new) android devices. I guess this is why we're seeing more and more device manufacturers promising longer update support; it's actually easier and attainable now. Aside from that, now Android is gaining ability to run linux apps. I don't expect it to go any better than in ChromeOS but this actually gives linux mobile apps a new market, for free!

[@krillAmorim]

And what about windows, is it a monopoly or not? Windows explorer, internet explorer(edge) windows defender,etc.

[@VEKTOR_87]

nick u havent mentioned wine 9.22

[@cameronbosch1213]

Yeah, it's Wayland by default now! Finally! 😉

[@user-lm5pf5je7x]

The morale: never be successful. The success is going to be taken away from you, or you become evil and it is definitely going to be taken away from you.

[@Kiyuja]

I hope Valve adds gyro support to the controller, thats the one thing I am missing on my xbox controller

[@drewo.127]

11:18 Roy makes me think of DHMIS

[@cameronbosch1213]

Oh no. Stop Yellow Guy Abuse! 😡

[@Nothing-f8z]

I hope either the steam controller has 2 versions one with just pad and buttons and the other with stick and buttons or better they are swapable.

[@Summanis]

I think the Kent CoC drama is dumb. If you want him out because he pushes big, largely untested code, then punish him for that, don't lie to him and the community and make this about some mailing list drama from months ago. Lying about rules is VERY bad sign. If they want him to issue an apology over something he already worked out privately, that is entirely ridiculous. What's the point in an apology that neither person cares about?

[@framegrace1]

You really didn't followed this case. THis guy is just impossible to deal with. This has been going on for months, whith developers having way more patience with their insults and arrogant behaviour that I would even remotelly have. If that's the only way to make him stop bullying everyone, is good.

[@anonimuso]

This is my take as well. If there's an actual technical issue with the code he is pushing, that's more than enough to remove him. But making a performative 'code of conduct' issue is really dishonest and makes me not want to trust or believe when the Linux CoC board says anything. Also, it was alleged that the 'apology' clause was added to the code recently, not a standard part of it.

[@Summanis]

@@framegrace1 Making up rules so you can say he broke them or selectively applying rules because you don't like him is more toxic to deal with than any amount of personal insults he could throw. If you want to ruin any community, fill it with rules that no one follows and only punish people who you dislike. I've been following the bcachefs drama since the 6.11 merge window and yeah, Kent needs to back off with pushing largely untested code, but using a totally different rule that no one has cared about before to bully him into "changing" is corrupt and pretentious.

[@GXShade]

The Steam Controller 2 better have two analog sticks.

[@Ermageeerd]

@Fossil-e4w It better have keyboards!

[@GXShade]

​@Fossil-e4w I don't use the Steam Deck touchpads, so I could go without them. However, I know a lot of people like the touchpads, so if Valve can implement them well, then I am all for it.

[@GXShade]

@@Ermageeerd GameCube keyboard controller

[@databug]

you sound really macho. Ive likely just had this lergy. (UK term meaning germs, from allergy)It wasn't too bad but it was worse than a common cold. Get well soon.

[@gregcampwriter]

What Chrome should be forced to do is accept ad blocker extensions and the like.

[@fugoogle_was_already_taken]

Imho selling chrome is just not an option. Either its gonna be monopolized by some other big corp, or noone will want to by it. Open sourcing it or giving it to non profit would be more strategic, since google could still partially control it

[@rchltmedia]

wait, google proposed to discontinue chrome OS? if they uses android, they technically using mobile OS turned to desktop OS.

[@nealthompson404]

Re: 4:45 : ... and THE most used mobile operating system, and THE most used video hosting platform.

[@evertp]

Why do wacom tablets come up so often. Are they such a moving target?

[@sigh-cosis]

Let's hope Apple and Microsoft see some similar changes as Google