Google Has Been Lying About Their Search Results

[@scottb8907]

KZbin search is the worst. They display 3 or 4 videos near the top that were similar to what you wanted, and the next 50 results aren’t relevant at all.

[@sihilius]

KZbin search fixer extension. And if you're not doing so already, use a non chromium browser, like Firefox.

[@WobblesandBean]

Yup. Good luck finding the actual video you wanted.

[@swizzles1875]

If you type before or after along with the current year with what you are searching you get more related results. Don't remember where I learned this but it's useful. Also use bing for anything else, they have unfiltered results and points you get slowly while using the browser that you can redeem for gift cards to certain places.

[@Kel791]

To get around this, put "before:2025" or some other date in the future to get rid of these recommendations. You don't need to include the quotation marks

[@伏見猿比古-k8c]

​@@WobblesandBean you used to be able paste the link to the video wanted to watch in the search engine, now they just show you an unrelated video.

[@WolfmanDude]

The fact that you cant find those small sites anymore is such a pain for me. I learned sooo much from those 90s looking personal hobby sites with just plain text and images. These are always incedible for deep info on electronics, mechanics and physics. You could just google the most niche thing ever and find someones 50+ page personal essay on the subject. Nowadays you just find loud and uninformed trashtalk from reddit :(

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

I feel ya… I miss those days when the net was fresh and full of potential exploration. Now it’s a chore getting past all the corporate bullshit… they’ve ruined it for me in so many ways.

[@zonkz6947]

@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf try search engines besides google.

[@drdca8263]

Maybe someone could make a search-engine that only shows personal sites?

[@JessicaHelbling]

@@drdca8263 There is. It's called Marginalia Search

[@user-oy8vu3xb2y]

The closest I have found for something like that is wiby me, but even that is limited at best

[@wulfnesthead8788]

I remember four or five years ago, I got fed up with the fact that Google's search engine operators (quotation marks, "and," "or," etc.) no longer did what they were supposed to do. I went to the Google community and found that someone had already opened a thread about it. Google's response was to declare that the operators worked as claimed (which was a blatant lie) and close the thread.

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

well they do not. I changed to duckduckgo, not that I expect anything better in the sense of search results being based on big corp and medias, but at least it is not google.

[@rykwon4535]

That’s a Chad move ngl

[@WobblesandBean]

​@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable Same. I'm not even sure if I can mention the duck site, google won't even let me name drop their social media competitors.

[@a.d.c.2276]

​@@WobblesandBeanlol, Google owns DuckDuckGo, just FYI

[@pickles3128]

It's really frustrating as I used quotes to find pirated ebooks. Open the book you want, find a unique sentence. BAM! IDK _why_ a site entirely in Japanese or Chinese had the entire text of some mediocre paperback copied and pasted on a random page, but here we are! Now I can't even circumvent paywalls on articles with the view cached feature.

[@Jeremyak]

Remember when the internet gave you relevant search results? Man, those were the days huh

[@Pyxis10]

Are there search engines that still do that?

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

​@@Pyxis10Regarding western sources, maybe Yandex? I need to try more myself to get an idea as it does have a superior reverse image search to Google

[@indominusrex1652]

@@Pyxis10 tried a lot of search engines they all go for profit and user data selling there was even a point when google was the better search engine...

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

the Internet is as useful as TV now😮

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

Love seeing my comments get hidden. Thanks modern KZbin

[@WEFslayer]

Google used to feel like a library, lately it feels like a shopping mall with pushy vendors.

[@glytchd]

I warned everyone about this in 2006. They paved paradise to put up a shopping mall. But no one cared about right to repair.

[@aspid164]

No-no, it is a library. A Library of Babel, which contains books with every combinations of letters possible, yet most of those combinations are gibberish

[@MrShanester117]

I think this is exactly right

[@TheIndigoShine]

Man... Everything goes downhill. While pockets of other people get filled. What to even do with so much money?? Can selling and marketing be an addiction? Can obtaining money be an addiction? Guess they're just playing a game of slot machines but we with real money bags and real consequences and influence on the entire world. Because they are influential. They're supposed to be an example. They cannot choose otherwise because people want them to be. "Something you can trust".

[@barcidstudios]

Google owns 80% of small business advertising in America. Nobody drives to a place because they saw a street sign or a yelp review anymore. Google has way too much power. (Also I've politely replied to several of the comments below and Google has taken them down).

[@jamescollier3]

you spelled democratic-Google wrong lol

[@MrHack4never]

I'll be honest, If i see a thing that interests me, i check it out If i see an ad online, I ignore the thing, because they spent a part of their budget on advertising, instead of providing a better product But that might be an EU thing,(and yes, there are local alternatives to yelp)

[@Channel-qe5pk]

This is an anti-Semitic comment.

[@headxplosion]

@@Channel-qe5pk what

[@Warp2090]

Not if you are smart and have a ad block

[@ZaKrakilla]

The saddest part is that Google is the main reason why we can't have a new and better Google. Monopoly is the end for all good things, this is why we used to have laws against it...

[@Roxor128]

Any company with more than a 10% market share in any area they have a presence in should be split into ten. Tech companies with user accounts would be easy to split up. Just round-robin move each account to one of the ten daughter companies.

[@xXfrazzzXx]

there is a law already on the book. its collecting dust

[@petrhorak3268]

I live in Czechia and we have Google and Seznam which is still used by 30 % people. It is unique in the world that there are 2 major search engines. But Seznam got greedy and is worse than Google. They just made their services and websites owned by them rank first and get all the traffic for themselves.

[@ScottWaa]

Government doesn't want competition

[@9SMTM6]

​@@Roxor128 Yeah as much as I batter against the negligence of the US Gov to enforce antitrust, this is the other extreme. As a matter of fact we want some unification of markets, otherwise the market becomes a mess to navigate, and no progress is possible. Say what you will, but most tools in use today were basically created at one company that had the resources for it, and the market position to establish it. And thats not always bad. These create a new baseline. This would not work with many small groups fighting, since usually every solution has tradeoffs, and thus we'd have a bunch of groups supporting competing standards that each have large deficiencies, but they're unwilling to give it up, since this solution does things that competing solutions can't. We want to balance the ability of groups to actually act (= market share) with the avoidance of potential monopoly. 10% maximum size is not balanced. If we were going into the split at threshold direction, which I'm not sure is the best way, at the lowest the threshold should be like 25%, and if that is reached, split it in half, not 10 pieces. Somebody with 20% of a large market still has enough resources to do new things, and the market position to establish these as the new baseline that competitors have to beat.

[@fixitman2174]

"Google Lied" is an unquestionable statement, it's just a matter of how much.

[@mariofann9000]

It'd probably be a lot faster to list the things they haven't lied about than the other way around.

[@ffwast]

"But we said 'in my view' not that anything we said was actually true"

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

Totally in bed with government,, sooo 10.000%

[@cameron.t]

Everybody lies, and that’s a fact!!! 🤪

[@Booligreen]

@@cameron.tboot licker lol

[@aquaintsound]

I'm a library scientist. Considering the way the search results are currently, including the way that Boolean operators don't even work, we've been operating on the assumption that Google still uses page rank. Nice to see the proof and I don't expect shit to change

[@yds6268]

At least searching research papers through Google scholar seems to work okay

[@maalikserebryakov]

@@yds6268google scholar is the best thing since sliced bread

[@sila_v_malenkih_shagah293]

why don't they work?

[@davidyoder5890]

What is a library scientist?

[@RottenFishbone]

@@davidyoder5890 They study the science of libraries.

[@journey8533]

Every time I google a tech related question: 6 reddit/stack overflow threads, where all the replies yell :" Durr just look it up on google" 6 useless ai/indian regurgitation sites that give you an essay on the thing you looked up (with as much padding as possible but no actual answer) Then if you're lucky, finally the damned site of the developer/project that I was looking up in the first place...

[@Kwazzaaap]

Quora is so bad it's such a disgrace this website is in first 1000 pages of results, but the CEO of it is friends with everyone so unlucky

[@WyattWade]

This is so accurate.

[@J.DeLaPoer]

I’ve been online since 1994. I want my old internet back… c1997-2009 was the golden age of the “Wild West”. A genuine information superhighway. It started the rapid downhill slide around 2010, and now everything is censored, homogenized, corporatized, filtered, and curated. What’s left is bland slop concentrated into a tiny handful of Big Tech megasites like this one; and search engines that actively censor and push you back here or the Reddit hivemind. The surface internet is fully captured and used for mass propaganda and narrative control. Garbage.

[@amelialonelyfart8848]

I remember one time I looked up a tech issue for my camera, couldn't find it anywhere until I stumbled upon the official tech forum, and found a flamewar between two moderators struggling to figure out what the fuck was going on. One of them retired shortly after. It was WILD.

[@rykwon4535]

The AI generated articles drive me crazy!! I feel like searching for things on specific forums (even Reddit) is the only way to get a true human answer anymore.

[@JJFX-]

Not only do they prioritize mainstream sites, they don't do much about clickbait sites constantly generating meaningless content and lists designed only to drive ad revenue and affiliate links. It sure is hard to imagine why they'd prefer to keep these around.

[@TrappedInFloor]

There's also blatant political, and other ideological, biases in search results. The search engine has become so awful I question the intelligence of people who don't have a negative opinion of it.

[@monad_tcp]

@@TrappedInFloor google search is useless, I only use searx now.

[@w花b]

​@@TrappedInFloor obviously but that's the silicon valley behavior in general. Nothing specific to Google. Same goes for Hollywood and the list goes on.

[@a3_a3]

to be fair, those parasite affiliate sites are a borderline virus. every time you delist, 100 more pop up in their place. but yes, a more optimized algorithm would be greatly appreciated

[@JJFX-]

@@a3_a3 I have no doubt that's true and would never expect it to be perfect but just like the bots on here I have a very hard time believing one of the most profitable companies on the planet whose primary focus is data collection and analytics couldn't resolve much of it tomorrow if they really wanted to.

[@interrupted_reverie]

can we talk about how youtube deletes comments all the time

[@DBBravo]

The moment you type in a slightly naughty word I've been getting automatically censored. In a video about Syria I could not reply to someone when I said t3rr0.r1sm

[@DBBravo]

lol right now I mentioned how in a video about a country i could not say a naughty word and now I do not see that reply

[@user-Aaron-]

Seriously. It's infuriating. And it's over the most random, innocuous things too.

[@stevengill1736]

LOL - posted after a suspicious blank area (at least on my machine) Whoa, it disappeared after I posted this! 😊

[@Jukebox300Minecraft]

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[@benjamingouchie6379]

Just like they "removed the dislike button"

[@Krullfath]

@fatyoshi156 it's at 1

[@salpertia]

​@Krullfath wrong

[@blablableep6811]

At this point I just utilize the "do not recommend channel" option

[@Krullfath]

@@salpertia Now it's 5, not wrong, it's was a real-time observation

[@purdysanchez]

Then they experimented with removing search on KZbin. Sometimes I'll search for a specific topic, and it will only give 5 results before reverting to recommended videos about unrelated things. But when repeat the search while logged out, I get 30+ relevant results.

[@TheOutsider69]

Rampant AI slop and purposeful enshittification is quickly leading to the death of the internet.

[@Klayperson]

it's the death of Web 2.0, and possibly the rebirth of Web 1.0 🗿

[@TheOutsider69]

@@Klayperson Real

[@dracoborne2648]

Lmfao it was already heading downhill before ai, its just accelerating it.

[@rhael42]

​@@Klaypersonthat's just cope and you know it 😔

[@cara-seyun]

It’s been fun while it lasted

[@footwinner1]

I’m an elementary teacher and have been trying to teach kids how to research for reports online. When I was a kid, any animal you searched for would have a bunch of small, simple websites where someone else had essentially written an elementary level report. Easy to find and read. Perfect. Now everything we search is the same handful of websites written in the same structure, full of ads, many of them listicles (barf) and now I can tell how many are written by AI. The kids can’t and won’t ever learn without having been exposed to the real thing earlier. So sad to lose such an important resource for my childhood learning.

[@oestian]

Noticed the same problem. I am now searching for people who are passionate about a topic. Then learn from them. Searching for topics is broken.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

So true. You probably can't even properly learn about the tree octopus anymore 😔

[@metuselahjones6905]

Don’t forget, libraries still exist.

[@footwinner1]

@@metuselahjones6905 of course. My problem is that I don’t teach in an English speaking country and our English books are very limited.

[@jarvistech7408]

That's communism for you.

[@Praisethesunson]

My favorite is that Google adds words into your searches in ways the user cannot see or change. Specifically to push your searches to advertisers who paid google.

[@_MasterLink_]

I've noticed this for a while now, and it's why I had to ultimately stop using Google in the first place. I've been using search engines since Yahoo! in the mid 90's, and I've grown to using very specific terms in my searches, which had worked amazing well for nearly 30 years, but as of late Google has been manipulating the terms in ways at first I could describe how it was even running searches, that clearly had nothing to do with what I typed. But sometimes you can spot the added word, since Google bolds words you searched for, and sometimes it will bold a word that is not in your query. Ultimately my trust was eroded, and I moved onto others, and sadly others always means the results may or may not be better.

[@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX]

... how is that different than just promoting the content of their partners? Don't get me wrong, I disagree with the general practice, but it seems like adding "hidden" words isn't any more special than just artificially inflating page rankings for search terms

[@campanocorp]

@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX they are scamming their advertisers while also making search useless

[@marsovac]

@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX he doesn't understand how software development works... nobody is adding keywords, they just add scoring to the algorithm. But to somebody who doesnt know what an algorithm is this makes less sense than adding secret keywords.

[@BarackLesnar]

If you're searching for something it thinks is unusual, it will "correct" your search and just show you what it wants to show you. Even if you use quotes. Just to try to sell crap to you.

[@benjamingouchie6379]

As someone who worked in Digital Marketing last 5 years, page authority is the backbone of SEO

[@tommyaudio]

as someone who isn't in tech, what is page authority??

[@vsear5911]

@@tommyaudio social credit score

[@alainportant6412]

@@tommyaudio the backbone of america

[@purdysanchez]

This was very obvious during the lockdowns and protests. Google manually set the "authority" so high for approved sources that they would dominate the front page even when the search terms weren't in their wheelhouse.

[@t1intern677]

@@vsear5911 I don’t see how page authority has anything to do with social credit score/esg? A simple search says page authority is just a way to rank your page based on certain metrics that are too long to list.

[@ProductBasement]

As someone who built over 400 5-page websites for local small businesses with an intense focus on SEO and never got any of them on even the first page of Google results for highly-relevant, long-tail keywords in the immediate aftermath of the Penguin update, I feel utterly vindicated. Thanks for going through this

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

It hasn't always been like this. Back when Do not do evil was still in effect, I found it quite easy to rank on small business, for the content alone. You know for example, do not just copy/paste descriptions of the products from other sites, make your own description, and having good back links. Today, however, I really do not know how any of it works. Because again, I never today get the same smaller web sites that I used to back then with actual information. I get hunk sites with no information by big corp and medias. Google is not the same today as they was back around 2010.

[@petrhorak3268]

I ranked my website above big brands in my country even 2 years back. Then a new Google update came and pushed big brands to the top. The big brands also stolen ideas from small websites. Small businesses can’t compete with big brands who have infinite cashflow and cheap loans just because they are big. And then Google decides to glue them to the top results in search results. One of the big brands in my country doesn’t even pay taxes and has a hidden owners on some tropical tax haven island. Google also doesn’t pay taxes. Small business get screwed by everyone nowadays. I am burn out currently from online business. If Google decides to replace search with AI answers then I can close everything. Idk what am I gonna do. I spent on this project all my time since high school and don’t have any “working experience” to have in a CV. I am f*cked. I joked a year ago that I should start selling ropes because the world is going downhill and there will be a demand for quality ropes… 😅👀

[@9SMTM6]

I'm sorry, but IMO hurting SEO specialists is a victimless crime. Doing SEO is inherently a zero sum game, y'all are not focusing on improving the things that a customer wants, instead you're spending resources on exploiting the way these services get discovered. I don't want the pet market to be based on who is the best peacock. Then we'd all have peacocks.

[@diox8tony]

as a developer,,, you should know an API is not proof of what is being used...its like looking at a tool box(API) and assuming what car was built with them....it proves nothing. this video is false. However enlightening it is,,,we can't say "Google has lied" because an API tells use nothing...There could be a function to launch all the NUKEs is this API,,,it doesn't mean google HAS DONE IT. for all we know those bad-api functions are 20 years old and never touched.

[@alexanderokak5112]

@@9SMTM6 so youd rather only large businesses get promoted? Read a book on economy.

[@firzen0000]

I'm tired of this timeline bros..

[@A-se2ur]

well you ain’t the only one

[@bsherman8236]

social media was always trash

[@Jackdaniel00]

😭

[@NotAdachiPeople]

Time for a trip to mementos

[@punishthemeatpocket]

right here with you

[@_synne]

Google is my mortal enemy, they flagged my website as harmful just because it was self-hosted. They are absolutely demoting personal sites.

[@tonytins]

Before I even finished watching the video, I started to come to the exact same conclusion. Like, wouldn't an advertising AND search company creating a web browser be a conflict of interest?

[@Praisethesunson]

When you are a monopoly that's just called efficiency

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Congrats, boys… y’all figured it out!!!

[@nobody-ho4yp]

Read the book zero to one by that thiel dude. These big tech companies goal is becoming a monopoly and then slowly creeping up on consumers. Google has the biggest search engine, youtube, phones, email, web hosting, sells laptops, phones, has the biggest browser etc. Same with Tesla/Elon, Meta, etc.

[@BeefIngot]

It is. They also are the only things keeping mozzila alive. They do many horrible things with this power like widevine l1 security and crippling your controo over your pc.

[@trekster9269]

In much the same way you came to the conclusion that you're a dog?

[@LordZordid]

What annoys me the most is that Google converts my search results. From for example "Buy pasta" to "Buy pasta in my local area". That's convinient. But not what I asked for!

[@mlpfimguy]

I like when I search for a specific product model number and it gives me the latest products from that company that produced it. Cause that's what I was looking for!

[@ricebeansrockroll882]

My fave is when it gets confused where I am, and then it's "pasta from Slovenia" and no way to change it

[@sarahb.6475]

Yesterday out of sheer curiosity I tried to google "grain free restaurants" just to see if any existed. Well google automatically changed it to "gluten free" which is NOT what I wanted.. As I avoid all grains. When I tried advanced search for "grain free" it still didn't work as the first search result was for " Beans and Barley". Barley is a grain...

[@mephInc]

​@@sarahb.6475 Use duckduckgo instead.

[@MazTheMeh16]

​​@@sarahb.6475 I tried to search for brownie recipes 'without cocoa' before (i only had chocolate at the time), and as far as I recall every recipe had it in there still. Don't know how else I could've searched for it but it's damn annoying when I know these recipes exist. I can't imagine how much more annoying it is for people with specific dietary requirements.

[@GiveMeTheTacos]

0:30 OR, here me out, that employee knows EXACTLY how git works and we have them to thank for this insight

[@pluto8404]

Or, the real code is much much worse, but leaking this bad but watered down version will distract us. They gave us a bone, but hid the carcass.

[@fridder.]

Yeah I don't think Google is hiring engineers who don't understand git. Maybe an intern in college, but even then, why would they have access to that repo? Or permission to make it public?

[@GiveMeTheTacos]

The way I see it, Google has nothing to gain by sending us on a wild goose chase; this isn't a "distraction"--this is big stuff. This IS the issue. Second, there is no way Google has someone with access to this code that DOESN'T know how git works. Assuming all this (and I could be wrong), I think we have an anonymous engineer behind the scenes who is trying to do the public a favor

[@_wetmath_]

always believe in stupidity over malice. 80% chance that this was a genuine mistake by the careless employee. there's no reason why google would purposely leak that they've been lying for years

[@GiveMeTheTacos]

@@_wetmath_ didn't say Google did it, just one of their engineers. Frankly, I don't know that assuming stupidity in this situation is the better alternative. Whomever pushed this code out had to have some serious access to the code, which would seem to point away from any junior dev. An accident with a little bit of code? Sure. An accident with ALL the code? Probably less likely. That said, I fully accept I could be wrong; this is just my lean.

[@sayuas4293]

Isn't it funny how this video is on a platform owned by google? I wonder how long until this type of dissent will get shadowbanned from the algorithm, or outright banned.

[@notmyrealaccount8564]

Yeah I got recommended this video today lol. Bit ironic considering the subject matter!

[@vidtech2630]

The bots have spoken 👆

[@citrusjuicebox]

There's no reason to shadowban it. It's ultimately harmless to Google; if anything bad does happen to them because of this leak, it'll be due to something Google already did, not because of this video. Permitting a certain amount of dissenting content preserves an air of impartiality.

[@RexMundi_UTC]

Rumble is decent

[@LalaWatches]

I swear Google search just searches for ads to show, it's actually awful

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

as useful as TV 😮

[@Ermageeerd]

Hey Google! There were some results in my ads!

[@friedawells6860]

Try duckduckgo instead

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

@@LalaWatches BRAVE is a good browser 🤠💥

[@pianoman7753]

It starts with little actions. Stop saying you'll "google" something when you mean youll search for it on the internet. "Let me do a search." "Ill check the web." "Internet" We dont WANT to "google" anything anymore! *FUCK GOOGLE!*

[@AverageAlien]

Chatgpt, duck duck go, yahoo, anything else

[@surfingbilly9654]

@@AverageAlien "let me duck duck go it" doesn't roll off the tongue as well.

[@kidmosey]

@@surfingbilly9654 duck it

[@truerandomchannel]

however, if everyone uses google enough they could lose the trademark

[@the1necromancer]

@@surfingbilly9654 Good. Genericisms got us to where we are now. Everything is corruptible.

[@Goose695]

No one ever thinks they'll be the guy to mess up and post something where it doesn't belong but that is exactly what makes it happen so frequently.

[@pluto8404]

if it can happen, it will happen.

[@Day100]

Whoever it was, I'm thankful they screwed up. Even though we as users won't see a dime, the government won't fine them much at all, and the money they get won't be spent right or towards the people in any way I'm still happy it's public and on record they are above the law and disregard it openly.

[@Apple-vm5gc]

what if it was intentional?

[@fish1r1]

​@@Apple-vm5gcif it's proven to be intentional, that guy is screwed. imagine the lawsuit

[@NotAdachiPeople]

@@Apple-vm5gcHe’d face the full wrath of the Ultimate Search Engine. Even god can’t save him then.

[@cyrilio]

Google motto's throughout the years: “Don’t Be Evil” (2000s - 2018): This iconic slogan, often associated with Google’s early years, conveyed the company’s commitment to ethical behavior and responsible use of technology. “Do the Right Thing” (2018 - Present). Clearly they forgot what doing the right thing is.

[@0xDEADBEEF_]

Nah m8 they are doing the right thing... ... for the investors.

[@robertbeisert3315]

They were initially funded by the alphabets, and arguably always have been.

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

The word evil suggests free will, because without free will, if a person is forced to do a crime, punishment would not be fair. So evil suggests intent, which means good behavior be praised while bad behavior be punished. But doing the right thing, that is like the word _liberate._ You know. Women are actually liberated when they're being beaten into a pulp by men in womens only competitions. But it is liberating them for sure, so that is the right thing. On the other hand it is also evil

[@Eliastion]

Nah, the "do the right thing" is just meaningless. Everybody can claim to be doing "the right thing" and it's easy to contradict them. Right thing is watered down and unclear, and there's also the question "right for what". "Don't be evil" actually had a lot more weight. It's easier to identify and call somebody out on being evil. Which is precisely why they changed it, because boy, are they evil.

[@J.DeLaPoer]

More like do the _left_ thing, amirite? Really though the surface internet has been fully captured for many years now. It’s all about influence and narrative control (the fraction remaining given over to revenue generation). It’s crap. I want my old internet back, speaking as someone online since the mid 1990s.

[@SammEater]

I realized that something changed when smaller sites stopped appearing on the first page. Like KZbin search is now screwed up too, even typing a video's name won't bring the actual video.

[@elishh8173]

And Google owns KZbin. KZbin has deleted ALL so called conspiracy videos. Guess they were too close to the truth...now they're all scrubbed from Internet. F Google F utube

[@kyze8284]

When this first started back in 2018 where my results were only half relevant to my search, I switched to Bing. Now even Bing is using this AI predictive payment required site thing where I don't actually get what I ASKED for It's like going to a hardware store, asking for screws, and them pulling out a lawnmower because the blade spins around like screws

[@LarsLarsen77]

Larry once famously told the marketing department at google that their job is to lie. LOL

[@silasarpagaus3520]

yeah welcome to marketing

[@vidal9747]

If corporations are people, as the justice system has decided, the corporation itself has to be put in prision if it commits a crime. It has to stop being able to offer ANY service untill it compelted it's sentence. You can't have corporations having a right to lobby, because they are people and people have free speech while being completely free of the responsabilities of being a citzen.

[@chrisdawson1776]

Source?

[@vain.a]

@@chrisdawson1776 vidal9747

[@AverageAlien]

Corporations are not people, they are mini governments

[@belleren9375]

@@chrisdawson1776 see :citizens united

[@BloodAsp]

This would be epic.

[@realmstupid-on8df]

This is what happens when evil businesses budget for lawsuits. They know they can afford it and still profit and survive

[@inthefade]

Publicly traded corporations have a legal obligation to make money for their investors. Fines are just a part of doing business.

[@Operational117]

@@inthefade Companies going public is the corporate equivalent to selling your soul to the devil.

[@GalladeTheWarrior]

​@@inthefadewhy should I give a shit

[@Dap1ssmonk]

@@GalladeTheWarrioryou don’t have to like it, but considering that the entirety of the modern world runs on the truth of his statement, you definitely should care. Your life is shaped by the publicly traded corporation every day, and that should piss you off.

[@latinhero1818]

Makes you wonder where they got all that money from. It couldn’t have been a couple of guys starting out a company in their parents’ garage or basement as were so often told/sold. These guys had to have been getting some deepstate funding from the beginning.

[@vicefaun2316]

i don’t google things anymore because the first ten links are just garbage “articles” with five hundred ads

[@pickles3128]

Man Google is SO bad. I typed in 'the cow jumped over the' and the autocomplete suggested Breaking Bad, reddit, and submarine (2 of which were prior searches). No moon.

[@nicolasportela5513]

A company built on selling personal information lying? No way

[@avisprimey]

The only true information Google speaks is the data of its users that are sent to third parties. (Although the Semantic Search History folder in your Google Takeout you should most definitely run isn't 100% sure of itself)

[@Mykolai_Vasylyovych]

@@avisprimeySearch some random shi#%( youtube removes comments ) to make google know wrong info about you

[@avotsm]

how american!

[@blockoboi5941]

im literally so shocked 😢

[@gamertypeawesome]

Turnabout Sisters

[@phosphoritus]

i can't believe google would lie to us like that!!!!!

[@lol5776]

/s

[@namenlosNamenlos]

Your 1st time on the Internet?

[@avisprimey]

@@namenlosNamenlos On the contrary, it might be yours, everyone else understood the sarcasm (unless you're being sarcastic, too, then I've missed it and that's my shame)

[@w花b]

Right? That's so mean!!!!

[@itzYonko]

​@@avisprimeyr/whoosh

[@jyvids]

Google just needs to go at this point. There's no honest product left

[@stevengill1736]

My proposal is that they divide the company in two: one side for advertisements, any kind of mixed educational mixed with advertising, etc. The other side would be strictly search, no ads. I'm not sure that would work in a business sense - we have a paid search engine company, (Kagi) I wonder how it's doing?

[@AverageAlien]

I just use chatgpt to get basic info these days

[@jyvids]

@@stevengill1736 Well we've had a similar situation in history with the legislative force breakup of oil companies. And their sins were FAR less than Google.

[@HUEHUEUHEPony]

Kagi has your credit card number, that's worse

[@silasarpagaus3520]

​@@jyvidsoil companies? the guys literally leading the destruction of earth? pretty sure their sins are way worse

[@ContagiousRepublic]

old motto: don't be CAUGHT being evil. New motto: I can explain......

[@Foche_T._Schitt]

Imagine how much less resources would be consumed if they weren't manipulating search results.

[@NightmareRex6]

yet elite call YOU the useless eather when the 0.00001% eat 99% the resouces? arent THEY the useless eaters in need of dep pul a-ion?

[@w__a__l__e]

wait youre telling me google is dishonest.. im shocked

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

Trust your government!!

[@namenlosNamenlos]

Color me "shocked" indeed.

[@blockoboi5941]

waht the hecks!!!!!!!!! how could they do this to us 😭😭😱

[@tommyaudio]

the same thing happened with google maps. they would always and only suggest the mainstream, well known roads. thus waze became popular, because often there are lesser known roads that perform better than the big names (like a known highway). now their music app also favors known songs, instead of what is actually "similar to". google has this attitude that big names are better choices

[@jackdixon6681]

Honestly I don't think these are conscious decisions made by people. They're absolutely the result of algorithms. Imagine you write an algorithm to recommend music. This algorithm takes the song you are currently listening to, looks for users that have also listened to his song, and then recommends you a song that a lot of them have also listened to. When done well, it should do things like "oh you like listening to World is Mine by Hatsune Miku? Well you'll probably enjoy Bad Apple". But, when implemented poorly, it instead goes "oh, you like World is Mine by Hatsune Miku? Anyway, here's Despacito", because everyone has listened to the song Despacito at some point

[@tommyaudio]

@@jackdixon6681 well the music algorithm is 100 driven by money. they hired a big label exec, and soon after, started pushing popular SIGNED music (that brings in royalties). they don't integrate more critical items, like "acoustic bass, background vocals, drum machines" etc. those are what make a song similar to what u just heard. pandora was brilliant with this. as far as maps go, google just never cared what we want. for a while, even if u selected an alternative route, google would put you back on their idea of a good route! it took actual years for them to stop doing that lol

[@gairisiuil]

​@@jackdixon6681 are you a programmer

[@lythd]

i think its just brand deals/better money from advertisements, not an attitude thing

[@Katana_Gryphon]

But…Google has owned Waze for over a decade now…

[@TehShadowDeath]

Im a firm believer that leaks aren't accidental. Its usually an advertisement fir the company or someone on the inside that is sick of the BS.

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

It's statistically implausible that only evil people work at google. More do I think they risk getting fired if they say or do anything. We have seen that before with google, with james damore. It is an evil company for sure. But there are probably many who are afraid to speak out.

[@mihajlotravels]

"It's like the biggest companies make the worst crap" -DankPods

[@cat1554]

Google are a big dingus

[@chickenfriend7340]

I love that aussie dude

[@dyanmill532]

tell me someone archived this. Also I loved how Mueller said >we dont have anything like that anymore..... BUT if we did it would be like this. LMAO

[@rusi6219]

"we didn't do any hacking but if we did it would be legal" Ulbricht case

[@na-wk8ex]

Strong OJ Simpson "If I did it" vibes from that statement.

[@tgr5588]

Off-topic but just wanna say that’s a cool parrot op

[@wilsonwilson137]

That is a cool parrot.

[@ffwast]

"I said 'in my view' not that it was actually true"

[@jamesdim]

Google is a front for all the good 3 letter agencies. I trust them completely.

[@jamescollier3]

right . .. dumocrats

[@pluto8404]

Google is God. All religious agencies report to google. I knew it.

[@jangamecuber]

guy who is totally not being held at gunpoint:

[@runforestrunfpv4354]

Well google is a brand under the holding parent called Alphabet.

[@kevinmiller5467]

Google started as a DARPA grant. So yeah.

[@morthim]

not entirely topical, but i need to say this. the dwell time thing is a major part of the enshitening of the internet. if i search for something i generally do not stay on the page. if i look up a recipie i stay but if i ask for the definition of a word- for example, it is 15 secconds max. if they rate by dwell time then they favor long connection durations over peer to peer transfer of knowledge. if i don't find the thing i'm looking for. i will do about 3 searches, and if i still dont find it, i will stop looking. cause the frustration is not worth it. i'm surprised they don't judge pages by how people don't go to the page.

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

I don't think dwelling time is something that should be even legal to use. It is spying, and I do not like spying. Google used to serve fairly good results back in 2010 without spying. So rather than building to their API they should remove a lot of stuff from it.

[@doomnoises]

You’re right, a good source will provide info quickly. An annoying source like a recipe blog will have the info buried in pages of rambling that no one has had time for since 2016.

[@scene2much]

'Do the right thing' is the new motto. The old motto was absolutely good... Not evil. The current motto has no absolute moral meaning. Do the right thing, for the stockholders, for CEO pay, ..., WHATEVER.

[@trequor]

There is a very good reason doctors take the Hypocratic Oath. This oath begins with "First, do no harm." Not being evil needs to be the first priority because doing the right thing is infinitely more complicated than not doing the obviously wrong thing.

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

They created their own parent company Alphabet around the same time they removed "Don't be evil" from their policies.

[@WobblesandBean]

Gee, I wonder why they called it "alphabet". I can't tell, it's just so subtle.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@WobblesandBean”Alphabet people” was taken. 😉

[@MxHavoc05]

Surely there is no way this system would be used in cultural/political warfare right?

[@JessicaWarner77]

Which group has the unofficial motto of "never let a crisis go to waste"?

[@J.DeLaPoer]

The internet is fully captured by the swamp/deep state/alphabet agencies/NGOs/leftist governments/Big Tech… Wgatever one wishes to call “the powers that be”. Surface internet is literally now expressly designed around influence, propaganda, and narrative control (with the remaining fraction given over to AI crap and corporate revenue generation). Just try searching for anything with any recognizable engine and you’re always pushed back to the same handful of megasites like this one; or redirected to the Reddit hive mind. It’s garbage. There was a time, pre-2010, when the internet was a genuine info superhighway and the major search engines worked. I’ve been online since 1993. I want my “Wild West” internet back! I shouldn’t have to use obscure/foreign services like Yandex just to find relevant results that aren’t corporatized, filtered, censored, curated, “diverse” and homogenized. Or useless irrelevant AI crap. I want back the days of uncensored public forums/message boards, newsgroups, BBSs and millions of small personal websites that were unique, interesting and contained useful relevant stuff - bad “under construction” gifs and awful design notwithstanding. It’s all so tiresome. It’s all so tiresome.

[@nostromza3433]

Yes it has been used in the culture war quite a lot, google loves to rig search results, i've tried searching for january 6th raw footage and all i found was piles and piles of spam by official news sources

[@Tyler-nh6oy]

Tucker Carlson did a 2hr interview with someone who dug into Google’s election interference, and its said they sway around 20% of votes in favor of the DNC, and thats only in the US, I imagine they interfere in every election globally.

[@Tyler-nh6oy]

BTW i can no longer find this interview, I suppose google has deleted it

[@bandanaboii3136]

Google will never get in trouble for this

[@robertbeisert3315]

If you do what Sam demands, you rarely get punished for it

[@KStovr]

The whole idea of the backlink / high-quality link system whether intentionally or not, serves as a system to create an internet oligarchy

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

The idea is, that the back link is within text which is actually of high quality. So, if someone who makes a truly high quality article mentions you, then your site should have some kind of rank too. One would expect this to be a fairly good way to rank, also because it is not too advanced.

[@laptv2144]

I could tell when I started to see tailored results that show a unanimous narrative

[@KawakebAstra]

social engineering .. dumbing down the masses

[@tk423b]

When there are shareholders there is evil to serve them

[@Seydaschu]

People 10 years from now: "Oh, I didn't know Google had a search engine!"

[@Mykolai_Vasylyovych]

Chromium

[@gutoguto0873]

@@Mykolai_Vasylyovych that's not a search engine

[@Mykolai_Vasylyovych]

@@gutoguto0873 chromium is base for big amount of search engines

[@billysits2]

what are you yapping about ​@@Mykolai_Vasylyovych

[@CarolinaFarming]

Since the ClA and friends are their best customers, perjury isn’t something they worry about.

[@stefanc4520]

Why would ANYONE believe ANYTHING a corporation/politician says nowadays?

[@TheMelnTeam]

What a surprise that a company that routinely lies and gaslights was lying.

[@guilherme5094]

And Google search these days is really bad.

[@InfectedEnnui]

it's the worst search engine, except for every other search engine

[@billysits2]

​@@InfectedEnnuiah yes

[@mlpfimguy]

It's outright unusable. It's like I'm arguing with a child who thinks it's knows what I want better than me. If I search for a specific website, I don't want to see competitor websites listed above that one If I search for "happy family", I don't want them to tack on hidden "non-binary, diverse" tags to my search If I search a product number, I don't want to see the company's latest products It's quite simple, really.

[@WobblesandBean]

​@@mlpfimguy You lost me at the diversity thing. Pretty rich of you to rant about seeing families that aren't heteronormative when you're a fanboy for ponies.

[@mlpfimguy]

@@WobblesandBean I don’t see how that’s relevant, they’re not at all connected. You could have just stopped at the “you lost me at the diversity thing”

[@user-bz5io6ph8w]

This is why I purged Google from my PC. The Google monopoly still has me locked into their mobile apps tho

[@andyward1948]

Yeah and try degoogling a phone that is NOT straightforward

[@ReUpNyC]

Get a pixel and De-google it and install grapheneos, its extremely easy.

[@ShadowOfThePit]

@@andyward1948I assume you mean an Android?

[@huljaxful]

I switched to Linux almost five years ago. I don't use Chrome and I don't use Google search. Every huge company is up to no good, in my opinion.

[@polarvortex6601]

ditto

[@NightmareRex6]

currius tho why using play station logo tho?

[@polarvortex6601]

@@NightmareRex6 👀👀

[@huljaxful]

@@NightmareRex6 i like having dedicated machines. And i was always a PlayStation fan :)

[@balsawoodbones]

What do you use? I’m looking for alternatives

[@Zaurthur]

Tracking time spent on a site has destroyed recipe websites and I despise Google for it.

[@cherrymountains72]

How naive do you have to be to not think they collect your data via their browser and services? You are the product they make money from, not their search engine or apps.

[@YeahNoTellTheTruth]

When one used to search on Google to find something, if it was indexed, you'd find it after tweaking filters and trying different keywords. For a few years now, it's bloated and getting worse. Almost like a cover or leak of unrelated results in the list. It's very annoying. I search for something, with an exact match, yet will not appear in the results, then I'll tweak it and suddenly it would appear, which tells me it's blocking results. Google, like every big organisation, gets infiltrated by ignorant and basically parasitic fakers who are good at working people and secure higher and higher positions. Hence why Google is riddled with bad policies and methods.

[@cariyaputta]

Yeah and they want to teach me about Zero Trust Security, Privacy First, or some bullshits.

[@chanute4041]

"Google has been lying" "Hmm, yes. The floor is made out of floor."

[@Halfaloaf599]

It’s all about the money. It starts out with a genuine idea, a passion, a better way, then…

[@dirtycasual3094]

Google also actively attempts to remove certain words from the lexicon, as well as changing the definition of other words to suit more modern ideologies. Google is literally killing literacy.

[@FirstUsername]

No way!

[@binaryguru]

I haven't used Google search for more than 4 years now. I stopped using it when I noticed they were censoring search results. Pretty stupid if you ask me but I don't have problems using another search engine to find what I need.

[@casachezdoom2588]

What search engine are you using out of curiosity?

[@traildriving]

@@casachezdoom2588 probably brave

[@casachezdoom2588]

@@traildriving Brave’s a browser. I think it uses Duck Duck Go by default. Not a fan of the search engine.

[@az-kalaak6215]

same. i'm using qwant right now, however i'm seeing less and less relevant results. i'm currently thinking of simply going back to lycos (if that thing's still up).

[@RisottoNero-z1w]

Can they for the love of god derank Quora? It always shows up high and is never usefull.

[@NK-le5ws]

it's a bunch of jeets offering low quality chat gpt responses

[@maalikserebryakov]

@@NK-le5ws😂😂

[@richmountain1128]

Plus they force you to sign in upon clicking another page in there and they don't allow pseudonyms (you have to use your real name)

[@ShadowOfThePit]

@@richmountain1128you can delete the "https" part of the link you are on to evade that lol

[@XxThePlaylistxX]

Quora is one of the most en-shitified websites on the internet.

[@ShmOG]

To the "why would they make Google Chrome free, if they are for profit" -- huge part of it is having Google Search enabled by default. They pay A LOT ($20 billion in 2022 alone) to Apple and similar companies, for example, to have it be default search in Safari. So making their own browser with this default is worth it, regardless of any clicks/etc

[@L7NK]

Imagine my shock

[@p0werfu11]

don't quote pjw

[@lolxdyyyyy]

Or what?

[@p0werfu11]

​@@lolxdyyyyy don't quote r*gards

[@p0werfu11]

​@@lolxdyyyyyor you'll became as smooth brained as him

[@Mykolai_Vasylyovych]

@@p0werfu11That was sarcasm bro

[@BatkoNashBandera774]

Why is it hard for people to see Google corp. is the Lex Luthor of our days, not Elon.

[@glitchy_weasel]

I wonder how difficult would it be to make an "indie" search engine, one which would only shows small, personal sites. It wouldn't show any large sites like well known wikis, news, or commercial sites (maybe just for crawling), but strictly focused on hobby projects. Kind of a search engine by geeks for geeks, to find other people's blogs, portfolios and niche communities. Perhaps something like that exists already, any recommendations?

[@Me-eb3wv]

Sounds interesting but I don’t think something like that would work in 2024

[@traildriving]

I like it

[@jellebleeker]

This already exists. Checkout the Kagi small web project

[@drooooop]

That’s not going to work. There’s plenty of small websites that SEO spam to get their website at the top of results.

[@HeadHunter697]

I wouldn't doubt people have already tried and Google took those down too

[@toxicjolteon5716]

Got an ad for Google Chrome right after watching this video. Gotta love situational irony.

[@CSGATI]

Google went from a info finder to an ad finder.

[@Voltaire-b8p]

Alphabet/Google intentionally defrauded its investors. This is a huge crime

[@jamesgizasson]

Tailoring search results should be illegal. I want results, not affiliated sponsors.

[@l3hxy]

People will act like they knew this all along and then "debunk" any argument you make after scrolling the first 5 options that pop up on their google search.

[@AndarilhoMarco]

That is why it is a pain to find any information or news that aren't in the focus of the current ideological disputes.

[@ArraxLapuiz]

This makes so much sense. I was genuinely getting frustrated because of google’s bs, trying new browsers due to said issue.

[@0xDEADBEEF_]

"Do the right thing (for the investors)" - Google (2018 - current)

[@Gauze-sb2fo]

Explains why everything links to the social media bubble whereas before you could get great info from blogs, forums etc

[@dogsbecute]

yeah but yuo also had to sift through all of that, where you find 90% actual garbage. Im a boomer at this point, yall make it seem like its impossible to navigate google, its never been easier. Skip the first 5 pages and then youll start finding all that obscure shady shit yall miss. Im fine with adding "reddit" to most queries because 9/10, someone just as dumb as me has made the same mistake, and if im unable to find it through reddit, then i have to use my google-fu, a skill honed from decades of being on the internet.

[@Globus601]

​@@dogsbecute Yes, you really are a boomer.

[@themodfather9382]

This doesn't matter, Google shut down their search service in around 2018. They no longer provide any results. There's also no internet anymore

[@SammEater]

Also, I am someone that sails the seven seas a lot and I noticed before replacing my search with another site is that the search now either brings actual store pages first (like Steam or Epic Store) or really shady fake pirate sites (no real games), as a way to stop a "seaman" from reaching "Tortuga".

[@harperwelch5147]

It’s turned into a site of “where to buy”, rather than answering your question.

[@jayearl3591]

It's part of the "trusted" news initiative. This pretty much tells you everything you need to know about bias

[@aliveandwellinisrael2507]

Yes, people really need to talk about this more. It's literally an organized effort to control the flow of information.

[@Br3ttM]

@@aliveandwellinisrael2507 The problem is how many people approve of it. We get proof of the government lying to people and covering up things involving a certain virus, and half of Reddit says that the truth could cause people to make the "wrong" decisions, so we need to give the government _more_ power to silence information. I'm realizing a lot of dystopian fiction is unrealistic, because in fiction, the government is far more subtle.

[@J.DeLaPoer]

Surface level internet has been captured for several years. It’s all propaganda, influence and narrative control.

[@doomnoises]

If they have to spell it out, no thanks

[@sanji663]

*Google is lying* *Imagine my shock*

[@chloemccarthy2297]

I decided to Google "Google Sandbox". I read that this is a hypothetical and alleged alligation. So glad to know this is all hypothetical 😊

[@traildriving]

Lol

[@whtiequillBj]

Yes! The one security flaw in every company that is always there and cannot be fixed by ANY patches. The human element.

[@Zer0ne-Infinite]

Every time I try to search for some small specific thing, I don't get results anymore, I get blasted by articles from large news sites or game journalist sites and can't find anything relevant

[@themightymcb7310]

"Capitalism breeds innovation". The part that is always conveniently left out is that it exclusively breeds innovation in ways that increase shareholder profit. Stock buybacks, active enshittification of services for ad money, price gouging, surge pricing, market fixing, layoffs, etc. These behaviors make a lot of money for investors and C-suite executives. They also make life worse for literally everybody else.

[@bobboonah]

Google is not a big fan of democracy 😢

[@SoufianeSigma]

Google killed my website... I lost 90% of traffic.

[@whatrtheodds]

What is your website about?

[@k.h.6991]

It gave you that traffic in the first place.

[@jf.5833]

@@k.h.6991> the robber baron is charging me bankrupting prices to freight my goods when the agreement was profitable a month ago. "The robber baron gave you that traffic in the first place" read a history book moron; you are a danger to every citizen

[@nastynas373]

Google has an office in Bermuda, but 0 employees work there. They use it to save like $8 billion in taxes each year. And the address is PO Box 666…

[@yuk4z3]

We need a new unbiased “de facto” Search Engine

[@DeltaStormYT]

Sounds impossible. Take if someone searched “current news”. How would you determine the #1 result that most of the population is going to click on. Why do you think googles first response is always an “ad” and then the same thing not an ad right under it Based on views? Well then that’s biasing the majority Random? Again majority rules more often then not If majority flip to minority? Lol Whoever posts the most news in a day? What could possibly happen. Value “non biased organizations” HAHAHAHAH Too list things is to bias implicitly

[@CombineHgrunt]

now it's over for google. that'll be 0.5% of their quarterly revenue. that'll teach you

[@andreascyprian]

I use Perplexity and have banished google