Google reports customer to police over doctor photos: this is why privacy matters

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[@rossmanngroup]

Here is an interview with Nick Merrill of Calyx Institute, who is creating CalyxOS as a means of moving people towards using de-googled android devices. It's actually pretty usable. kzbin.info/www/bejne/anu0h59qi5J6gtU

[@blarvinius]

Louis, I am VERY worried about privacy, not because I may be doing something wrong, but because I may be doing something RIGHT. I am an inventor. Yes, yes, the paranoid inventor trope.... But these tech giants can do a LOT besides but including taking an idea. In other words: I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. Many of us do. Is anyone talking about this?

[@DanDan-eh7ul]

KZbin keeps unjustly removing my comments about the OS Louis is talking about in the comment. I just want to say I use and recommend the OS mentioned for your phone.

[@everydayguy3737]

This is great and all, I fully support as I used to use non standard roms all the time. But theirs is GOOGLE pixel only. I have a S21 5G- with no 3rd part roms basically so i have to sell that and then give google more money for their phone to have more privacy. - YUCK-

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

It could be worst... Evil can take control... Then America ends over a night. This nation is extremely vulnerable from within.

[@RhizometricReality]

Google needs not be able to shut down accounts like this. This sort of systemic violence is unacceptable and should be met with proportional violence

[@jarjarbinks6018]

The “why do you care if you don’t have anything to hide?” mentality is how we get awful privacy violations like The Patriot Act

[@fatcat5817]

You can through Good opsec and Tor. The only reason the silk road guy got caught is by logging into the regular web on accident. Also some Ad behavior on alt accounts.

[@nunyabisnass1141]

That soet of attitude was alive and well in some sectors before the patriot act. There were provate citizens that were ok with tapping any communication line if it would help investigate the threat du jour. The messed up thing i remember when the patriot act was signed was how many pro free speech and pro-privacy ppl were suddenly perfectly fine with it. Suddenly it was a valid argument to protect ppl, by taking away their primary means to protect themselves and eachother, lome the ability to confront your accuser. You oiterally cant do that if you have secret warrents approved by a secret court, in a case that is tried in a court thst doesnt have that security clearance. In googles case and other large corporations, the government doesnt even need your consent or the consent of a court, because the entity providing the service has already been given that authority. You cant confront your accuser because the accuser isnt a person, its an algorithm. You can challange the legal team representing the company but no one goes to jail for violating your rights, which is funny because corporations have a degree of personhood.

[@DoubleDoubleWithOnions]

Yes, same thing happens when innocent people talk to the police. They end up in jail.

[@PorscheRacer14]

I'm pretty sure that phrase came about during McCarthyism days. Then again, it really doesn't feel like we left those days. It's just shifted around and called itself something politically correct now with a smile for your privacy.

[@billyhatcher643]

the patriot act must be removed sadly we have politicians who wont do that

[@hattielankford4775]

The worst part is that those private pictures between the doctor and parent were actually looked at by other people BECAUSE of police investigation. By their actions, they turned it into what they claimed it was.

[@MarquisDeSang]

That is why we call them pedo-satanists

[@jtjames79]

They had a form to contest it. But what do you want to bet that nobody passed that on to the police. Seems like negligence creating cp. If it was up to me somebody would have to go to jail.

[@thick_n_fluffy]

To me that sounds like a HIPAA violation.

[@hattielankford4775]

Since it wasn't a healthcare provider that released the photo, I don't think HIPAA is applicable. Apparently a lot of laws and regulations should apply to Google, considering how they operate.

[@HeyImLucious]

@@thick_n_fluffy That's what I was thinking. Sending images is hard enough in some hospital intranetwork. Like, if they used some healthcare app to send the images securely, why did this entire thing happen? Should be incredibly easy to say "see how A leads to B?" when you have a direct timeline of events for those photos from the patient's family to the physician with a healthcare app used as an intermediary.

[@voicetest6019]

Fun fact: when I was in school for a CS degree, a bunch of my friends in another class made a fun little application that tied into google hangouts to send encrypted messages back and forth. They used their regular google accounts because why would this be an issue. They got 90% on the project because in under two weeks they all got letters from google's legal department stating that unless they ceased development of this application and deleted all of the code their google accounts will be deleted and they will be blacklisted from ever having another google account. Professor took that as a job well done, but took 10% off for being detected.

[@chickenpasta7359]

The professor literally made up a reason not to give them a 100. Sounds like professors to me

[@fossforever512]

@@chickenpasta7359 to be fair a 90 is still an A most places so it didn’t actually effect the grade likely

[@crazycontraptions1249]

do you still have the code?

[@teejay9189]

it sounds like he did it as a joke

[@lcdcstudios]

should have given them 200%

[@saijeetdogra9360]

We're even losing the right to repair our children

[@aberinox]

This is underrated lmao

[@holleringbox]

Genius!

[@lXlDarKSuoLlXl]

Companies want you to buy a new one, don't let them! 😂

[@shakehandswithdanger7882]

Earlier this year, I took a picture of my 1 yo kid taking a bubble bath. A few minutes later, I got an odd message from my carrier about 'an option to make certain photos private'. That means that photo was reviewed, flagged, and an action taken within minutes. This isn't OK.

[@howardbaxter2514]

Actually thinking about it further, some photos I have taken on my phone are strictly for work and are internal to the company and our supplier. That actually is a major red flag to me, as it means other people that are not supposed to be seeing our shit, are seeing our shit.

[@thomasschulz2167]

@@howardbaxter2514 Yeah, Alphabet and Apple need to be hit with massive lawsuits for insider trading, corporate espionage, maybe even treason considering how many Android and Apple products governments around the world use.

[@ShimrraJamaane]

@@howardbaxter2514 It's AI that is doing the analysis. If it triggers a positive result with a CSEM model, then it is sent to a human for review. If it triggers a positive match with PhotoDNA (not AI; fingerprints of known/confirmed CSEM), created by Microsoft and used by all major players that, then it pretty much just results in an immediate report being generated to the FBI.

[@XiaoYueMao]

99% of all images that get that message werent actually viewed by a human, its just an AI that is looking for certain identifiers, such as anything taken in a bathroom, anything which appears to show a lot of skin etc... companies design AI like this specifically so a human doesnt have to see any private data, but the downside is AI are really fucking stupid and cause issues like the content of this very video

[@bhardwick3302]

@djxdjxdjdjdd Apple already started scanning photos in iCloud last winter.

[@weignerg]

The worst thing about this is that because of Google's mistake, this man and his child were stripped of their privacy and right to due process before Google put his digital life on death row.

[@jannikheidemann3805]

Not only his privacy, his childs very inner privacy as well!

[@diegomontoya796]

Read the terms of service.

[@daedalus6433]

@@diegomontoya796 ToS is not legally binding

[@diegomontoya796]

@@pointlessangle2149 private companies violating our rights on behalf of the government is the new norm. Fascism 2.0

[@madthumbs1564]

Nice how you blame Google for this. People should know better than to have naked children or infants on their phone, let alone use google services for transferring them. If a 13 year old girl sends you nude pics and you're caught with them; you are caught in possession. - Same applies. Louis is showing a single example of what 'could' happen. - You have as much chance of winning big on the lottery. Conspiracy theorists are ridiculous with their rationals. -As if it couldn't likewise (or more often) absolve people of crimes.

[@Shadowsoul2701]

I find this incredibly ironic, because 5 years ago there was a whole massive group of students at my school who decided to pull off a huge scheme, they began secretly downloading massive amounts of inappropriate photos of minors on school computer's google drives to "prank" everyone. All of the school computers were forced to have the same password by their administrative controls, so they shared the images as many accounts as possible and then set up a bot to log into accounts systematically and download those images. A TON of people had their accounts disabled because the pranksters also reported the accounts, so within a few days at least half of the school's student accounts were banned by google with no way to get them back. They're still dealing with the consequences to this day! Insane how google can ban an account that is reported 5 seconds after downloading an image but they can't look at the fact that all the logins came from the same PC and the downloads all came from the same google drive and actually use some sense to see that it might not be the students breaking the rules...

[@heroslippy6666]

Its always interesting how rules can be turned and weaponized on others by malicious actors.

[@xerr0n]

sense, that would require the use of a human, we have lobotomites for work like that

[@fungo6631]

And AI will soon replace people. Yeah, right.

[@farikkun1841]

All of the school computers were forced to have the same password by their administrative controls. so its not their main account right?

[@Journey_Awaits]

Strike first, ask no questions

[@theoriginaljealot5946]

Massive HIPAA violation by Google. The parents should skip appealing to Google and go straight to law enforcement (not just the investigator who investigated the parents), and better yet, a lawyer, and sue for inappropriate dissemination of protected medical information AND CP.

[@nikolaoslibero]

Tell me you've never worked with HIPAA without telling me you never worked with HIPAA. That's not to say you're the only one, but it seems no one understands HIPAA.

[@samhg3658]

@@nikolaoslibero it seems like you know about stuff, so I'll ask you cuz I'm curious. Can people send stuff to doctors through the internet for diagnosis? Like, is that even allowed? It's clearly not a professional setting for that, just like you wouldn't get a doctor exam on the middle of a park and many doctors refuse to give diagnosis on social media. So is there specific platforms of the clinic to even do that and how it differs from being at an actual clinic? What did the parents even used to send the photo of their child in this instance?

[@markhuntermd]

[By the way, if I were the victim here, at the very minimum, I would pursue a HIPA lawsuit against all parties involved!]

[@somerandomdude4588]

That’s not how HIPAA works lmao

[@georgeokello8620]

@@user-rn9bo8io1e the photos that are sent through a phone contain the meta data of the sender which includes the parent whom sent the images to the doctor. It's relatively easy to get a copy of the shape of your personal metadata that has your identification such as First and Last name, phone number, etc. There's a strong potential of a case to be made for Google extracting those reports of your data

[@mattbrown4833]

If everything you've ever said or done can be accessed, taken completely without context and used against you with zero accountability then absolutely everybody has a LOT to hide.

[@gruanger]

Yes, but they will only use it to disappear the ones they want to. Like a politician running against big tech, or a competitor that builds a sweet technology, or a person who sues them, or any other dark scenario you want to imagine...

[@mattbrown4833]

@@gruanger I'm not sure I agree. Big tech will go after people for political reasons but as seen in the video not being politically outspoken won't save you. Google is a business and a lot of it's margin comes through automation and having zero customer service. Even in the absence of deliberate targeting, automation produces errors which by design there is no system in place to fix.

[@l3d-3dmaker58]

"I don't like the black on this wall" suddenly can become "I don't like the black" and now you're in big trouble for no reason at all

[@Clairavoya]

Literally, because it could be stuff you said as a dumb teenager/young adult in the past that you absolutely would not have said now because you've matured. But they wouldn't care at all because to them you still said it and it warrants consequences now, which is honestly ridiculous

[@linuxgaminginfullhd60fps10]

@@gruanger That's not correct. The model is very dumb, since the tech is so enabling that even a kid new to IT could hare written it. Just like that - it triggers on stuff with very little understanding of what it is. That whole thing might have been written for under $10, tailoring it for someone specific is just to much work!!! You would be terrified if you knew how many false positives there are. If government would make money for putting people in prison it would have excuses to keep more people in jail, than free. This is abused a lot to fire people whenever a company feels like it. They just draft some simple model to find just the right percentage to fire and then say it is a data-driven decision - managers love it! This is why firing in tech companies is just a 5 mins group meeting regardless of the number of people.

[@Gideon_Judges6]

I'm sure this is never abused against political or business rivals that use Google products.

[@lostboi2271]

Suuuuuuuuurely nobody would do such a thing right?

[@bradhaines3142]

i mean its not like google has more money and power than most countries or anything crazy

[@dx315]

@@lostboi2271 Hah, right? Edward Snowden said that En Ess Aye agents would stalk women and share their private pictures and videos with each other after hacking into their devices. These tech bros are having a BLAST with all this anti-privacy shit.

[@The_Boctor]

Yeah, Google and the established leaders totally don't take advantage of controlling the flow of information, and they definitely don't quash competition before it has a chance. They are 100% sincere about "don't be evil," and not being sardonic at all.

[@donkalzone6671]

CIA, FBI, NSA...nobody would abuse this kind of power

[@noneyabidnes4726]

People who say they "can't understand why people want privacy" and "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear" should be relocated to glass houses, with all glass walls and doors. These companies and their tech belongs to them, not you, you are just a user, not an owner. They remind you of that from time to time with stories like this.

[@natesmodelsdoodles5403]

Don't forget the glass shitter with the studio lights and cameras feeding into an uncensored livestream.

[@ahmetcemalyasar6975]

"We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin

[@ZebrAsperger]

What i regularly answer to people's argument against privacy is : -"Going to the toilets isn't wrong right ?" -"Of course it's not" -" So you don't mind me putting a few cameras inside the bowl, on the door facing you and streaming it 24/7, since you're not doing anything wrong, right ?" Most of the time it closes the argument. When it keeps going i just try to remind people that Hitler was once elected, and what if Hitler had access to all these systems to control the population and informations, how could a resistance even exist against that kind of tyranny ? And can you guarantee me, with 100% absolute certainty that a new Hitler-alike will never ever reach a high position in politics or in a major corporation ? So better be safe than sorry, keep your privacy and personal informations under control, you're no cattle so don't act like it.

[@grandstarstudiosFORMER-YT]

try telling that to my mother

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Germany still has a massive registry of every single person and their race, religion and current address. We didn't learn.

[@Devdraco]

I like that retort a lot.

[@SidewaysCytlan]

If you're not doing anything wrong, you definitively have something to fear. It's not paranoia when they're actively looking for something to accuse you of.

[@HaxxorElite]

uwu

[@Oscar4u69]

we live in 1984 already

[@Oscar4u69]

@@HaxxorElite 0w0

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@Oscar4u69 umu

[@zombe0]

Right now it’s trafficking. But in 20 years what will be “a big enough problem” to warrant active monitoring of the population for our safety?

[@0pposite221]

This is terrifying. Imagine getting reported and registered as a predator, because an algorithm from some big tech company has decided, that something like this or maybe even family pictures from the beach are CP.

[@TremereTT]

I don't think they do report that or at least the algorithm looks into the GPS data of the image and excludes places near the water in Germany and European beaches in general. Not all places have the same phobia towards nudity as the USA. And most places outside the USA differentiate between harmless nudity and obtrusive sexual imagery.

[@unliving_ball_of_gas]

@@TremereTT So they even analyse the location now? How is that better?

[@TremereTT]

@@unliving_ball_of_gas less false positives, and less American values forced on sane people. I would say that is better.

[@Seasniffer69]

@@unliving_ball_of_gas because Europe stepped up and gave their people TOS and EULA protections. They are almost entirely OPT in mechanics now instead of opting out of things you don't even know big tech is doing

[@MisterVercetti]

Silicon Valley is your judge, jury, and executioner, and they know they'll get away with it 99 times out of 100 because these days, it arguably holds more power and influence than Washington, D.C. They say everything has a price. Well, this is the price for our lives of digital convenience and luxury. You either pay up, or you get out. Plain and simple.

[@CeleryMane]

Back in 2016, someone I knew worked at a daycare/preschool and had an angry coworker falsely accuse them of abusing the kids. There was an investigation which ended in concluding they had done nothing wrong. The unsettling part of this story is that years later, they decided to download all of the data that google had on them just out of curiosity. There were about 25 audio recordings which were google assistant requests. Creepy, but not unexpected. The part that was concerning was that there was one audio recording that stood out. They had called their mother right after being told that there was an active investigation on them to vent and say how stressed out there were about the situation and google had decided out of the many years of phone calls made by them, to fully record and save just that conversation. Likely trying to fish for an admittance or other incriminating information. This is not a new phenomenon and it’s only going to get worse with time. It’s a scary world we live in.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

Alphabet has ties to the NSA. Their executive are even allowed to use NSA airports. They are all about spying and selling your information.

[@michellespeight5972]

How do u download data google as on you?

[@Acorn_Anomaly]

​@@michellespeight5972 Google Takeout.

[@QTwoSix]

Big Brother Gates is always watching

[@shawncarroll5255]

There was a variation of this exact same problem back in the day of regular photographs. I had a little sister who was burned severely in a freak accident, what is now considered second through fourth degree burns over 50% of her body. A fourth degree burn is completely through the skin into the underlying organs. So she received multiple operations a year for the first few years. It was essentially salvage work, and trying to keep the scar tissue from starting to pull her bones into distorted shapes. One of her lower ribs to this day has a ripple in it. Well, we finally reached the limit of what our local hospital could do. My mother had been a pediatrics nurse there, and everyone there had been wonderful. But we were now into reconstruction, especially of some of the areas below skin level. So we requested Shriners burn institute in Boston to accept her. Normally they want someone to be their patient from the beginning. So they wanted photos to see just how bad it was. Nobody would develop them. Thankfully, inexpensive consumer Polaroids had just started to come out. Considering how little money we had left after medical bills, the inexpensive part was important. So we had to send Polaroids to the Shriners burn Institute. They looked at them and said no problem we will take her. We stopped counting at 50 operations. Shriners was a lifeline for us, but the problems of people being morons about pictures of little kids with obvious medical issues were going on 50 years ago.

[@Azure9577]

How's your sister now?

[@shawncarroll5255]

@@Azure9577 I believe she stopped counting at about 80 operations. That's significant because she got married, and there were some issues high risk pregnancy /fertility specialists were wondering about, who were brought in when there were some issues. They'd never had anybody with that many surgeries before. The plastic/reconstructive surgeons had even left a final spot of unburned skin (instead of harvesting more grafts) on her tummy so she could have a pregnancy if she ever chose to. Then her husband was deployed in Iraq, and was killed by a sniper. Lieutenant Brian Smith. Because they had already been undergoing for fertility treatments, she still had frozen sperm. Ironically, while he was on deployment she had gone in for another treatment, and they had refused because he wasn't with her. She had to send out to Iraq for him to fill out the forms, and I remember the day she called me because the forms had arrived shortly after we buried him. It was rough. She only became pregnant on the last cycle before the specialists were about to give up. There was a heavy scar band across that one area the original burn sorcialists had left alone. This forced her to be bedridden for nearly the last half of the pregnancy, because the fetus pressed back on the descending aorta and caused her body to react thinking it was ultra high blood pressure when instead it was a de facto near blockage. So she'd be driving and suddenly have her blood pressure dropped to the point she had to lay down and couldn't even remain sitting up. Thankfully nothing bad happened the first time. She now has a wonderful not so little boy, he's a teenager now. The military of course is being a jerk about any kind of death benefit for the child. Barring the obvious fact they were obviously trying to have a child, because if they hadn't there wouldn't have been any frozen sperm. Search "son of deceased brian smith austin texas". She became an advocate military widows in her situation.I believe at the time she had him three and then it had increased to four women who had children by soldiers killed in Iraq or Afghanistan. I'm quite sure there's been more, that number is well over a decade old. My sister you might say is middle-aged not exactly a soccer mom. She also motorcycled and did free rock climbing. She stays insanely fit because so much of her skin is scar tissue It's almost like an exoskeleton, and fat actually pushes in to put pressure on her organs.

[@Azure9577]

@@shawncarroll5255 that's good to hear man May u have a wonderful day

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

@@shawncarroll5255 holy shit, thats fucked up from every which way. Sorry she had to go through that.

[@Mortablunt]

It's a little girl burnt half to death, if you think that's sexual, you got issues!

[@shaggybaggums]

The original images were part of a medical examination. Google however, shared indecent images of a minor to who knows how many people. I think the thing that pisses people off the most is not the original intrusion (although obviously still egregious), but the lack of recourse afterwards, leaving lives ruined for no reason.

[@dgenaraition]

Exactly Google isn't a medical place so it transerfering or showing anyone those features should give them CP charges.

[@usagifang]

That's exactly what Google wanted to do and tried to cover it up by attacking the parents.

[@swanrideryt]

Pretty much... If you even want to HAVE a system flagging peoples, oops not so private, photos etc., then have people specifically to review it AND people to specifically manage false flags. If you can't get workers to do both of those, do not call the POLICE. It is sooo mismanaged that I can only wonder why are they even doing it. (I mean ads I know, but this is just strange)

[@TheShadowForgeStudio]

HIPPA violation as well.

[@ooooneeee]

Wrong. Google uploaded them to his Google drive because he had the Google Photo app and had activated automatic cloud backups of his photos. They scanned them once they were on their server. Without cloud backup they wouldn't have scanned the photo. To preserve medical privacy he should have been given an app that makes and sends medical photos fully encrypted, inaccessible outside the app.

[@boringpolitician]

Here in Norway, half a year or so ago, a woman was in the media, because Google had closed her over a decade old account, where she had saved thousands upon thousands of pictures. Trying to figure out why was impossible. Finally it became clear, as the police contacted her, because they had been contacted by Google. She's an artist. Turned out a many year old picture of a mother best-feeding her child was reported for p-filia. So her account was closed and no explanation as to why. "Don't be evil"

[@cttommy73]

Again, Google is over stepping their bounds.

[@N1h1L3]

I can't google anything close to that event ...... same with bing and duckduckgo. Got a link ?

[@boringpolitician]

@@N1h1L3 - I did. Google/youtube is kind enough to delete every comment I post with a link in. Anyways, what did you use as search terms?

[@boringpolitician]

@D2RG6 - I have tried. Anyways, my point was, "I have googled and duckduckgo'ed and bing'ed, and found nothing" - is most likely a lie. Hence why I asked what the person's search terms were. Strangely enough there were no more replies from that person. I wonder why that is? Hmh. You can search for "Uten forklaring ble Google-kontoen hennes plutselig stengt. Da mistet NRK-journalisten et helt bokmanus.", it's at aftenposten (largest newspaper in Norway).

[@rishi-m]

Sad story. They've downplayed/hidden that "don't be evil" part a lot over the years, removin it from their motto and repositioning it in their code of conduct. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil

[@FreeAllenWrench]

The irony is that they're the ones collecting pictures of your children more than any other entity.

[@F4ngel]

"Why should we care if we don't have anything to hide?" I keep hearing that and what they people who say that don't realise is that when you live in a glass box it's possible for someone to miss what you said earlier and take it out of context

[@bluemenace04]

That line "why do you care or worry if you're not doing anything wrong??" Is so old and has no real argument to it. We care about privacy because some things can immediately be misunderstood to the extreme if there's no immediate context to it. Like for example if a cop asks where you're coming from and you say the name of the place they're interested in but you weren't involved in what they're investigating, you became their suspect and they don't need to look any further, cops aren't there to be your friend, they're there to pin a crime on you if you fit the supposed violations by your own words even if you didn't do anything of the sort.

[@PleaseNoMoreFarmhouseDecor]

Well said.

[@skesseks]

@jeff L. but google pins the 'crime' on you? is that not slander/libel depriving you of you livelihood (job prospects)? seems like google should be held responsible.

[@lostboi2271]

Yeah

[@Snoop_Dugg]

@@skesseks there are no laws against these false accusations from tech companies unfortunately

[@Snoop_Dugg]

Yeah there was this really good video I remember watching explaining how exactly this could happen

[@mrtalos]

"someone think of the children" The Simpsons used this joke for *years* to the point where people just didn't pick up on it and it was dropped. It's a double edged sword, terrible things happen and are ignored, but be very careful when someone uses "think of the children" or some variation, they are often trying to dupe you for something else.

[@CNWPlayer]

COPPA

[@ZombiBunni_]

I cannot possibly emphasize how much I agree with this. 9/10 times “think of the children” is a scapegoat argument & has historically been used to paint political enemies (seriously, it’s astounding how many political monsters gained sway this way). Obviously concerns for harm to children should be taken seriously, but...you can’t just believe it on its face. Especially when it’s used broadly, it’s been used to damage our privacy, healthcare (vaccine misinformation is a great modern example, among other things), and equality rights/protections. Genuinely I just wish more people saw it as a red flag. If they did, people might stop crying wolf about it and detracting from genuine concerns about children’s safety & causing harm to innocent people.

[@wanidouse]

Yeah it's a lot like the boiling frogs study: frogs with brains actually DO jump out of water once it's hot enough. The original study was seeing what parts of the brain allowed the frogs to detect temperature. Thus, brain dead frogs will boil in hot water, of course, but normal people (frogs with brains) WILL know something is wrong (detect high temp) and then do something (jump out the pot).

[@beelzebub3920]

The scariest part of all of this is that they probably used an ai to check the images, now if you know how AIs work then you know that they need training data to learn. For example, if you want to make an ai to recognize dogs you have images that contain dogs and images that don't, then you label those images (so a human would need to look at them and label it as a dog image or not) and then you train the ai with that. So Google practically collected millions of images of possible CP/rape and trained an AI on that.

[@JimboJuice]

Thats just how image detection works, apple has a server of all known CP for their detection. Its not really scary.

[@_wayward_494]

@@JimboJuice tfw old people find about learning algorithms 😱😱

[@unformed]

why did you have to say this

[@xinpingdonohoe3978]

@@JimboJuice they don't have "all known CP". I think they have an archive of about 200,000 files. That's approximately 0% of all CP.

[@JimboJuice]

@@xinpingdonohoe3978 all known, the rest is unknown floating in the CP abyss.

[@expertnovice5358]

The roofie analogy is on point. I shouldn't have to make sure that my rights are being violated.

[@xhappymasksalesmenx4092]

A lawyer told me to always lock my phone and I asked why. He told me if anyone gets into and looks up child pedo bs it’s on me. Crazy stuff. He told me there’s lots of cases of crazy ex girlfriends getting back at men by doing stuff like that. So that whole”if you’re not doing anything wrong “ blah blah is bulllllllll

[@lostboi2271]

While I wouldn't be surprised if some of those cases featured actual pedos just looking for someone to blame I (sadly enough) also wouldn't be surprised if some of those cases were actually the way you described them Man some people are just straight up garbage huh? 😔

[@xhappymasksalesmenx4092]

@@lostboi2271 absolutely and the cases I’m talking about had confessions years later. Mostly them letting it slip by accident and someone overhearing and getting a full confession after an investigation

[@volvo09]

Open or insecure wireless internet has gotten others raided for the same thing.

[@DoubleDoubleWithOnions]

What are you talking about "crazy ex girlfriend." I thought we were supposed to believe all women.

[@jablue4329]

@@DoubleDoubleWithOnions Trust but verify. Don't get it twisted.

[@wolfrig2000]

I hope this man is able to sue Google and the justice department for billions.

[@Real_MisterSir]

he legit deserves to become a billionaire after this, no questions asked. It's absolutely attrocious. If they can't make their systems 100% faultless, then they should not exist in the first place. Not when you risk literally ruining innocent peoples' lives off of random and highly likely false positives.

[@coweatsman]

Pocket money. Google is so that the law doesn't apply. What if the judge suddenly couldn't use his phone? Or the plaintiff's attorneys?

[@HA7DN]

@@Real_MisterSir Nah, no system is flawless. The problem is that they knew it and still just blindly trusted this, and no one was double-checking or anything.

[@FlabbyTabby]

@@Real_MisterSir There's no way to make 100% faultless systems, what they should be doing is not take automated actions. Automatically flag, but any actions should be taken manually.

[@perwestermark8920]

The justice department? The police didn't do anything wrong. This is all about Google.

[@wingit7602]

He should sue google over this

[@lolglolblol]

“why do you care if you don’t have anything to hide?” Okay then, but let's please start from the top. I want to know everything there is to know about the life of politicians and big tech CEOs.

[@pragmaticsteve6149]

"If you have nothing to hide, just comply" last words of every wrongfully convicted person in prison. I say if the cops have nothing to hide than why be against me having a lawyer present when you question me?

[@Saphman4]

The very few that exist now that DNA evidence is widely used. Next?

[@pragmaticsteve6149]

@@Saphman4 the Innocence Project, the Center on Wrongful Convictions and experts in the field. estimate is that 1 percent of the US prison population, approximately 20,000 people, are falsely convicted. Next

[@Saphman4]

@@pragmaticsteve6149 out of how many people? And when was the time frame in which the wrongful convictions were done? Probably when the technology for gathering evidence wasn't all the way there. 99% outnumbers 1, therefore you have 0 ground. Next?

[@Saphman4]

Your reply was also banned for some reason? Why? I can't see it anymore.

[@goingbike]

Say what? "Evidence gathering technology" is not perfect, and it never will be. Easy to dismiss, but imagine if you were wrongly convicted? That's a proper nightmare right there

[@kilo_kilo]

I'm absolutely convinced that youtube's (and google's) appeals processes are completely automated. There have been too many examples of people not breaking any TOS and getting rejected without any explanation.

[@Snoop_Dugg]

They are. Same with Twitter etc. There’s too many to manage otherwise. Typical Silicon valley thinking of a tech solution to their own problem.

[@surewhynot6259]

@@Snoop_Dugg It's hardly a "tech solution" and it's not a Silicon Valley problem. It's a Google problem.

[@Snoop_Dugg]

@@surewhynot6259 It is if all the big tech companies are trying to automate their tech support.

[@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC]

I'm absolutely convinced that 1=1.

[@LordNementon]

They are tech giants, why do they will use artisanal moderation when your jobs are literally to create automations, of course they do

[@reaxions]

You, sir, are a national treasure. Please keep up all of hard work to prevent companies from screwing consumers!!!

[@mr.morning1901]

100% agreed. My grandma died in 2019 and I still haven't been able to get into her email for the 2 factor authentication to log into my own again. Google is 100% an unresponding monolith, and paired with the ridiculous automated decision making, it's a deadly combo.

[@R_wir3]

as far as I know, email accounts delete themselves after 365 days of being unused

[@kubi0461]

Personally, this should be a violation of HIPAA. I'm sure that piece of legislation was poorly planned and worded just like anything else government does, but something like this /should/ be a violation of medical privacy. If Google's algorithms can't distinguish between what is used for medical purposes in communication with a doctor and what isn't, then perhaps they shouldn't be blindly analyzing all personal data.

[@Grimpmann]

Has nothing to do with HIPAA

[@joshmallon]

It got flagged when it was sent from one phone to another, not when it got sent to the doctors. HIPAA does not apply.

[@Mark_87]

@@Grimpmann the picture was literally sent to a doctor. On a doctor website How isn't it?

[@bradhaines3142]

most cases its just a matter of individual privacy, but in this case i dont see how it wouldn't be a direct HIPPA violation.

[@Mark_87]

@@joshmallon I'm pretty sure it does. But Google probably isn't liable, the medical practice website would be. The dad should sue them. They probably have some kind of privacy agreement with Google that Google violated, but they're the ones responsible for the privacy of their patients. And it's their screw up working with google.. Suing the medical website might trigger a lawsuit from them against Google. Which would still be a win 🤷‍♂️

[@rohirrichunter7930]

I'm not convinced that opting out of Google's security "features" does anything. I've noticed with its phone tracking system that if I turn it off for a month and then turn it back on the next month, I can go back in time and see the tracking from the previous month, when it was off. I think that they still track you, and the only thing the toggle does is determine whether or not the user can see it, and I believe this is also the case for other security features. For this and other reasons, I've been working on weaning myself off of Google services for the last year or so.

[@dankay9202]

What alternatives have you found?

[@alexjrk1675]

im pretty sure its real people watching everyones shit which is worse. My buddy had a job reviewing every photo people upload to google services and reporting the crimes

[@jeffkaczmarek3577]

@@alexjrk1675 Sounds like your buddy is the problem, if people like him weren't willing to take jobs like that, it wouldn't happen.

[@Dome98Otaku]

@@alexjrk1675 Don't they use AI for picture recognition? No way they're actually reviewing a hundred million uploads+ a day

[@aliveandwellinisrael2507]

@@Dome98Otaku Just like in this video, AI is flawed. If they use a sort of triage for something as relatively minor as YT ToS stuff, they probably do the same for CP-related things. AI probably does bulk sorting, and bumps it up to humans when necessary. Same with FB moderators, going by the stories of people becoming traumatized after having to look at gore and CP all day at work lol...

[@rsupp]

The definition of 'wrong' changes with time and depends who is in power. Thank you, Louis for making this awesome video !

[@howardbaxter2514]

Hell, something an innocuous as saying what your favorite food or color is, or what book you just read this week could be seen as a red flag by someone. Oh, you read a book about running in the mountains of Mexico (Born to Run), that just makes you an ableist and a fetishizer because you have a fetish for Mexican tribes that run barefoot. See how easily that can be spun against you,

[@imagifyer]

Friend had a similar issue, military historian who had spent years researching in various archives, so naturally his google drive had hundreds of period photos including weapons and often confronting scenes of warfare etc Google locked him out citing said images as evidence of potential terrorism/hatecrime activity. He was thankfully able to get his account and contents restored, but it was a close run thing as Google only give you a window of a few weeks before they delete it

[@yeahgirl11]

What the actual fuck?

[@jonson856]

A few years back the Chinese communist party proposed a new type of internet, one that is not free but instead it is funneled through one big pipe. And this pipe is controlled by the CCP. They control the flow, they control what gets through and what doesnt (filter/censor). It is quite ironic that in the West we have this open free internet. But in truth our internet has become very much like what the CCP built.. And it wasnt enforced by the law or some such, rather, we simply opted into it by using silicon valley products. Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. They are the pipe that controls the flow. And they are captured by a certain zeitgeist...

[@NeroMai]

I want to see someone try this on KZbin now

[@Gunbudder]

There are some archive reels of 8mm (i think or maybe 16) that shows Nazi SS soldiers burying the naked corpses of men women, and children. I've seen pro-Nazi activists try and have this archive footage banned from libraries because it "has naked children." We simply can't trust google with this kind of thing. I'm sure their automated child protection system has saved at least one child, so maybe its worth it, but it needs to be improved so innocent people doing telehealth don't get clapped along with the chomos.

[@robtalbot3852]

I got a 2-week ban for posting (on FB) a picture of a German Soldier (not a nazi) holding a bunch of daffodils ... with a goofy look on his face (oops, did I assume his gender?) I had another strike for something I'd posted 6 years ago which "breached the new community standards". Have no idea what it was (an image) as there was no way to review the image ... but it was unlikely to have been "extreme" ( I only post stuff I find funny, never stuff intended to shock) and ... Jesus ... where does it end ?

[@Esperologist]

Big tech companies : "Der, repair industry bad for privacy and safety." Also bit tech companies : "Privacy? No, we need to monitor you so we can accuse you without a proper investigation."

[@borispsalman]

Facebook is the same shit, someone hacked my fb account posted something that went against community standards and facebook automatically assumed that i have posted it and banned me. No way of getting to speak to a real person. Hacker was even posting ads even though i couldnt use the account (probably scheduled them right after getting access) and it was chargind some random credit card of god knows what origin. Total incompetence and i think there is no excuse for a top tech company to have this kind of shitty non existent customer support.

[@noeperard8843]

They basically broke the doctor patient privilege because they want to pretend defending against child abuse, while doing nothing for the latter and ruining the basic right of people to have a private communication. We have to support Signal ! (it might be deserving of a grant !)

[@youkofoxy]

AI can not be hold accountable as Human beings can be. Yet it is being used as investigator, judge, jury and executioner. The worse part is the denial for second trial, a basic right in law.

[@farhanrejwan]

the developers of the AI, who also maintain it, are and can be held responsible, and that's what needs to be done.

[@fghsgh]

"I care about privacy not because my actions are questionable, but because your judgement and intentions are."

[@edeasley144]

This kind of makes me want to just delete my google accounts. The entire point of using corporate products is supposed to be that their products in some small way, shape or form make your life better or easier. If it doesn't, its a waste of money. Yet time and again we see these companies take our money and then make our lives miserable. Im starting to feel like corruption is the most prominent cultural artifact of modern American society.

[@Masami_Salami]

These products are not free. They are paid for by the taxpayers.

[@dangero2000]

@@Masami_Salami No, taxes don't go towards them. They make money from their targetted advertising campaigns, thanks to the data they secretly collect from the phones of people who don't consent to it.

[@vgamesx1]

@@Masami_Salami Where did you get that from? A lot of mega corporations do get hefty tax breaks or use loopholes to lower their taxes, but that is a completely different thing from being paid by taxes... How about let's not twist things and focus on the actual problem with these companies, yeah?

[@RealGlowup]

@@Masami_Salami amen - the CIA and NSA funded Google. Google it! It’s true

[@ThunderPUPPEH]

@@vgamesx1 If the govt. takes money from people to make up for taxes corporations aren't paying, how much different is it? Also, if politicians are bought by corporations and "ask" the politicians to vote for bills against the interest of the people, and to raise taxes on the middle class so they can have tax cuts, how is that different?

[@sexydadee]

google stand by their claim because once they admit they made a mistake, to them it means they are admitting that their algorithm/AI is flawed and could be held liable and be sued

[@saxongreen78]

My brother in law once said, without any irony: "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." It sickened me.

[@bubba99009]

We live in a world of "show me the man and I'll find you the crime" which makes privacy all the more important. Even if you are clearly and obviously not guilty of the offense that supposedly triggered the search they can probably find something else to pin on you if they want to bad enough, given how much data they now have and all the bullshit "crimes" on the books.

[@Yea___]

could you give me an example?

[@MadHeadzOz]

@@Yea___ troll. Can you think for yourself? Stop being a parasite and do something constructive.

[@andrewallen9993]

@@Yea___ The IRS auditing your tax affairs :) A pound to a pinch of shit they will find you have not paid them enough or filled in the form incorrectly. See how easy it is?????

[@littlehills739]

well the usa still has fruit of the forbidden tree. warrant for said pics leads to a video of u speeding isnt usable

[@bubba99009]

@@littlehills739 that's not how it works... If the search is legal anything they find as a part of that search is admissible. The only way it gets excluded if it it is if the search is improper. And then anything found as a result of that improper search gets excluded to. So if they are looking for drugs in your house and find an illegal gun they will charge you with the illegal gun even if they didn't find what they were looking for.

[@phazonclash]

Yep, that's why I got a NAS and six 10TB hard drives last year, despite storing my photos/videos on Google Photos for convenience. Imagine losing all your memories, the photos of your kids since they were born, etc. Can't trust Google, Apple, Amazon and any of these super huge companies in general. They're full of it, they don't give a shit about you

[@NathanHedglin]

Recently did the same. Love my NAS.

[@myrealusername2193]

While I don’t have it on my NAS, I do the same with just a hard drive. Can’t beat an airgap (for the most part)

[@Snoop_Dugg]

It’s already happened to me Microsoft just deleted the whole onedrive even though I was only 3gb over. Lost 200gb worth of data with no way to recover it. (At least if they only deleted 3gb to bring it down to the limit it would be less bad) Only discovered it because I was thinking of trying to subscribe to office 365. That killed my motivation if they would do that the minute you don't pay.

[@mewnani]

If it's not physically on your hard drive, you might as well not have it at all. It's why I download KZbin videos and don't use stuff like Spotify. At least once it gets on my PC, it'll stay on there as long as I want it to.

[@tactileslut]

And it's set up so deletions at Google don't propagate to your local storage, right? Synchronization can be the devil.

[@postpwnmalone]

Thank you so much for explaining this one out, it needs to be said because it's ridiculous how intrusive shit is now like it's disturbing getting extremely targeted ads immediately after searching something, it's the most uneasy feeling I can think of while on the internet

[@someusername1]

Very well said. Louis. It is good that there are people like you who say this and stand up for personal rights.

[@stephaniethebatter7975]

One massive problem with this argument of "if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide" is that there is still INNOCENT stuff that still should be kept private regardless, such as personal information (home address, passwords, bank details, social security numbers, etc.), patient information (most information about patients is to be kept private no matter what), confidential business/workplace intel, secrets of all kinds, such as embarrassing secrets or the secret ingredient of a recipe, or traumatic information that the victim isn't yet willing to share. By the logic of the people who make these arguments, adult fun times are legal, so you should be comfortable with doing it in public!

[@ribertfranhanreagen9821]

I will only believe this if the one have access to it is robot. Now the one have access is human imperfect, with emotion. Now if someone hate you somehow work with Google yeah you re f*****

[@silverhawkroman]

Things such as a pic enough to get you doxxed should be private. Google is too scared for a tiny nano pico minority of offenders (who mind you, are using every other platform out there anyway to share) so they rather throw everyone out with the bathwater and house to save their own a$$. Google is your friend /s

[@Demopans5990]

The more typical response is to ask them for passwords to their bank account for auditing purposes, but it works lol

[@stephaniethebatter7975]

@@Demopans5990 THIS SO MUCH! Passwords and bank details are ANOTHER thing that should DEFINITELY remain hidden. If you "have nothing to hide", then why not show us your home address and bank details lol!

[@MajinMist603]

@@stephaniethebatter7975 we should be able to see what our government or companies CEO s are doing if they use that logic. ……

[@JourneysADRIFT]

Just think of the dataset required to train an AI to identify images like that. Wonder how many people have access to what must be a massive database of images of minors.

[@myrealusername2193]

The US gov has a database of it, I can’t even imagine

[@volvo09]

Yep, groups of people who are PAID to sit there and categorize CP for years on end. No one voted for these folks, they just get placed...

[@NoahGooder]

better yet i bet the AI is retrained on new images they collect from the government

[@OtherDalfite]

Epstein was head of the department for years, then he had his little jail cell accident.

[@deedoubs]

@@myrealusername2193 Hell the US government probably creates a good portion of it.

[@d1gitals0ul]

Had a similar thing with Google, lost my original account years of documents, writings, and pictures. Really opens your eyes at how quickly it can shut you down in the service. How much you can lose, interconnectivity is a luxury but it has a huge cost when it can be so easy to get it shut down unjustly without any proper recourse.

[@newchangeunlisted_viewer5594]

Mr. Rossmann you are incredibly educated and are a voice to the people Thank you so much for everything you do

[@QuintemTA]

Throw my opinion into the mix here. These multi-billion dollar companies need to be brought to heel. They have more power than some governments around the world. Google just has too much power in general, problem is they have such useful platforms and services. It will not be easy to set up alternatives I imagine because of the scale of the infrastructure required.

[@zakofrx]

They are using their monoply to destroy alternative platforms.. They used to just buy them but now they just steal their ideas and destroy them.. And they all work togther.. Look at all the times that all the monopolies deleted a person account on the same day for person reasons.. Even with the president of the US all banned on the same day by different companies becsue of polticol reasons.. Just people speculation of him going to a new platform has all the big companies destroy that new platform in a day..

[@bluecoin3771]

It ain’t gonna be through legislation. They bribe, I mean, “lobby” too much for that. Nothing short of a mass exodus or V for Vendetta rebellion is the only thing that’ll take them down at this point.

[@cinellectualproperties894]

Wrong! Humanity was doing just fine before these 'useful platforms and services' we do not need alternatives we need to go back!

[@Akemaste]

most* They have more power than most governments across the world. I know for a fact google could buy my country full prices no discount if they wanted. A few of them together are certainly more powerful than the U.S gov even. Which is terrifying. Especially given how STUPID and self defeating alot of these companies are. They already see laws and regulations as nothing more than obstacles. How long till they get tired of running the course.

[@aetheralmeowstic2392]

The EU is about to bring them to heel with laws that, if broken, will cost them 10% of their global profits.

[@orangehatmusic225]

I bet Google won't report itself for stealing traffic from Yahoo back in the day via DNS poisoning / hacking.

[@Thegentechgamer]

hello louis. I was one of those "why do you care if you don't have anything to hide?" people before I watched this video. Thank you for educating my dumb ass. Keep doing what you're doing.

[@Mantikal]

I recall being on jury duty one time and then stepping outside for lunch break years back. While on break, I walked by an "Adult Gym" area of a public park. I found it very interesting seeing all this workout equipment setup out in the open - so I decided to take a picture of it with my ANDROID phone to text to one of my friends who's really into working out. About 30 seconds after I did that, a notice popped up on my phone's screen saying something to the effect of "Thanks for taking this photo. We've up loaded it for others to see when they're searching for information on this location" That's when it hit me - "Wait, that means that they went through ALL OF MY PHOTOS - and then made a decision to pick this one." Your phone - isn't really "Your Phone"

[@StrawberryEV]

this, if you have google photos installed, which android phones do by default, your photos are backed up there, and google can see all of them. Google's algorithms are also very scary, google knew I was Bisexual and was recommending me related content before I figured it out.

[@fotoschopro1230]

@@StrawberryEV Do you want to know something really scary? I figured out you were bisexual just reading your nickname

[@callmezeldaonemoartime]

@@StrawberryEV yeesh, just yeesh. Nothing more to say. That’s horrible

[@WhoAmEye_WhoAreEwe]

@@callmezeldaonemoartime I agree these bisexuals are horrible!!!! (I AM JOKING) :)

[@kassymkhanbissengali5419]

@@StrawberryEV did they recommend you bicycles?

[@SleepyFen]

Someone should be serving jail time for this. Preferably the CEO and the head of Google's legal team, on top of a massive fine being paid out to those wrongfully accused. This is literally dystopia level bullshit.

[@steverogers7601]

Corporations are one problem, another is the whole justice system. The justice system isn’t about justice and that CEO would get a slap on the wrist.

[@jmtradacc]

Lol keep dreaming. No one in Google will be accountable for ruining people lives

[@florkyman5422]

It's just harm reduction. If it saves one kid it's worth it ect.

[@LeeHawkinsPhoto]

@@florkyman5422 so if they save one kid but ten other kids have their dads sent to prison, which harm is greater? Life is screwed up without your dad around…or when your dad suddenly can’t access his email for work. I think it’s pretty important to protect the rights of the accused, but sadly the Constitution only applies to the government, and not corporations…even though corporations pretty much run the government these days 🥺

[@pgruszewski]

Someone should, indeed, but we're not naive people and we know nothing is going to happen to them.

[@aetheralmeowstic2392]

If I had my own country, these kinds of things would be _legally required_ to be opt-in.

[@natesmodelsdoodles5403]

And I'd immigrate.

[@lordpumpkinhead265]

You would get a massive influx of people extremely quickly. Hope you got enough space.

[@Deeveeaar]

Thats super disturbing!

[@DexieTheSheep]

4:40 The whole "I didn't give consent" argument is just a bandaid on the issue. All that's gonna do is convince Google to add this somewhere between page 634 and 635 of their giant terms of service page you're expected to read, and might I remind you, has been specifically designed to be hard to understand even for adults. This sort of "hiding behind the ToS" is the real culprit of a lot of privacy technically-not-a-violation violations from Google. There should be laws against this "EULA roofie-ing." That's a pretty interesting choice of words, but I hope it becomes the standard term for calling out this behavior.

[@TheRedKing247]

There are actually. EULAs are generally pretty hard to enforce in court, precisely because nobody reads them.

[@nef36]

@@TheRedKing247 At the same time though, they prevent the case from just being a slam dunk ruling of fraud or something. Sure, it's hard to enforce TOS, but the presence of a TOS alone gives negotiating power to Google and the like when inside the courtroom.

[@Saphman4]

So because you're unable to read and understand documents, they're somehow wrong. LOL.

[@DexieTheSheep]

@@Saphman4 Okay... and when did I say they're wrong? I just said they shouldn't be a shield for companies to do things that are completely out of the ordinary and then say that "you agreed to it" with the fine print.

[@transsnack]

@@Saphman4 Actually, yes. Intentionally misleading people with legal jargon should not be an acceptable practice. In the medical field, there's a practice of explaining information to a level that a patient can understand. I think everything should follow this practice *especially* if it can affect your day to day life.

[@a4000t]

Its ironic google's motto was originally "don't be evil"...now its the opposite, "do only evil"

[@volvo09]

"funny" how they dropped that real quick.

[@kyushirokun]

@@volvo09 i mean the day they dropped the tagline should have been a giant freaking red flag for everyone.

[@Poldovico]

@@kyushirokun I believe that was around 2006

[@kyushirokun]

@@Poldovico wow, are you sure? I was under the impression it was way more recent than that 😱 *Edit* yeah, 2018 as per a quick search

[@Poldovico]

@@kyushirokun huh. I swear I remember xkcds about that from way before. Could have been prophetic. Also, you sure you didn't search for that on Google itself? :P

[@MultiTomcat67]

More reason to NEVER store anything online.

[@paulspaws1521]

I come to Louis to remember there are still some rational, logical, and moral people somewhere in the world, so rare these days. Thanks for being awesome.

[@youtestubes]

Hearing that Google stores everything you do forever, and the fact they use automated data-mining AI that can get you in trouble, makes me VERY worried. It's too easy for the government to decide to use this data for anything they want without our knowledge.

[@driedbrainfreeze2149]

I have data collection disabled, but I doubt thats happening

[@redboyjan]

And if the data is incorrect, you will see people disappear, wrongly, like in countries they dare point fingers at for similar

[@redboyjan]

@@driedbrainfreeze2149 on another server probly

[@blauw67]

Regarding police clearing someone and still having it be ignored: A friend of mine had his teen son kicked out of school for extortion of someone (they didn't specify whether it was another student). The son didn't, he just liked expensive cloths and worked extremely hard for it. Dad got the police involved, police investigated the case and found no proof. A bit later they had a meeting together with the officer and the schools director. Officer state that the son is innocent. Director proclaims, "You have proven your son is innocent, however we are not going to allow him back in school". Note: by this time the son hadn't been allowed to attend school for 3 months and was getting depressed because of it. The trouble is, early that year 5 out of 6 schools in the town had merged under that directors years long vanity project. The only school that wasn't merged was the farmers and greenkeepers school. So competition was crippled and the quality was abhorrent. The father involved the government (for the second time already). Turns out this school is one of the worst schools in the country, the director has quit, and the school is being reorganized.

[@astarteswillum5259]

Dude, you are a hero bringing up all this stuff.

[@poissonpuerile8897]

I very much admire how you speak so directly and passionately. It's sooo infantile how so many people on YT resort to "f-word" and such.

[@zaijian4377]

Profanity is the new English

[@benwu7980]

It's pretty peculiar that Google is both watching and waiting to be forwarding this type of communication to the authorities, yet also bragging about hiding peoples travels to abortion clinics and similar healthcare providers. It's also strange that they took the photos on a Google account, before sending to an iPhone, before sending to the healthcare provider, yet it doesn't appear to have been flagged on the iPhone side of things, who are actually advertising their scanning of their devices.

[@user-qy2wf2lt6v]

Apple dropped the "scanning on your device", becuase just about anyone in the community spoke against it.

[@staticmind1872]

But they did it for ✨the greater good✨. Won't someone think of the children 🥺? If it saves even 1 child... /S

[@AdrienMelody]

Pure evil 😪

[@klutzspecter3470]

Ever heard of the NSA? If not man have I got a story for you.

[@owenoreilly_20]

the way apples is ment to work anyway is to search metadata for known “content”

[@JodyBruchon]

Privacy prevents unnecessary and harmful misunderstandings due to something as simple as a lack of context.

[@flowerofash4439]

privacy is the only thing that prevent tech super powers and government to fully own you

[@zegichiban]

Sounds like the beginning of a class action lawsuit.

[@ryvi6887]

i've never seen your content before but immediately became a fan. Thank you for sharing your voice man

[@bikkiikun]

Let's hope that Google will be in for a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY expensive lawsuit. With a couple of criminal complaints on top.

[@eriklagergren7124]

google makes like $200 billion, it must be the biggest lawsuit in history if it were to make a dent. Kinda glad I'm living in the EU, with our strict laws and all. Like with meta the eu was "Change this or you will be banned"

[@EvoAlexis]

They’ll just pay it off like Disney does with everything else.

[@cmck362]

@@eriklagergren7124 Sure the first lawsuit won't do shit, but what about the tenth? If google loses and keeps doing whatever got them sued in the first place people will figure out that suing google is just a free bag of cash. They'll have to at least tweak things enough that they can't get sued for the exact same shit. Not even google can eat legal expenses indefinitely. Only the government can do that.

[@proxis9980]

what lawsuit ? peopel stop beeing fukign delusional ... they are a rpivate company they can do what every the fuck they want with peoples account that dont pay for it...welcoime to the usa lmao and a meschine filter flaged the transaction and automaticly filed a report with the police 50bucks there hasnt been a ingle human looking at anything

[@crowe6961]

Lawsuits aren't enough anymore, and neither is criminal prosecution. They can just buy their way out of any criminal act they commit. There's only one option left, and it is not surrender.

[@Overonator]

It amazes me how a company like google can have so little customer support and have billions of dollars.

[@kerpwnt]

They have plenty of customer support, but we don’t see it because we aren’t the customers.

[@AH-lw2bj]

@@kerpwnt this ^^ We're indentured servants, not customers

[@nojuanatall3281]

You're the product being sold.

[@roelsvideosandstuffs1513]

because they don't want to be liable?

[@BlightCosmos]

As exurba once said, “you might as well have your bathroom door taken away and everyone is watching you.”

[@Factory400]

I have put a considerable effort trying to escape Google for the past few years. The takeaway is that even with all that effort, Google is still very integrated in my digital world. Perhaps slightly less than a regular internet user, but not much. Escaping Google is nearly impossible if you have ANY interaction with the internet.

[@Carnyzzle]

I love how these measures big tech companies create never do anything to stop the actual criminals

[@Zanziebar]

It's actually the nature of all rules and laws (except the laws of science). I couldn't wear hats or chew gum in school, because someone was an asshole. People couldn't hold hands in school, because people were assholes. Liability and responsibility, turn leaders into pricks when they are held accountable for the actions of others. These pricks turn those they lead into criminals and dissidents, by removing our freedoms to protect us from those who abuse them. Thus exorcising what was recently a right, demands that you turn to those considered incorrigible for protection; from your protectors. Doing so requires you to be complicit in a system that benefits those whose actions were the catalyst for your new life. That or give it up, over and over again until you have nothing left to give.

[@Soitisisit]

Who do you think pays them? Who do you think kept them from being hit with anti-trust suits or got them off when they were? Who do you think helped killed the competition who wasn't willing to compromise their morals? ( Sometimes literally killed. )

[@RestoreTechnique]

For the people who say "what do you care if you're not doing anything wrong", wait till they hear about curtains and blinds!!

[@epic_paul27]

…and that’s why I migrated to Proton mail. And firefox/safari. And brave search engine. I’ve made it a goal to avoid Google. Thank you for spreading word about this!

[@MysticWanderer]

“Why do you want to hide X Y or Z?” Because I feel like it is the only answer we should need

[@stormgear896]

I'm betting if this happened over someone famous or influential their account would have been restored immediately complete with an apology message due to inconvenience etc. But if its over an ordinary citizen their rules would apply immediately and perhaps call the police if needed.

[@The_Boctor]

Well said. They're only afraid of a martyr if it's someone the public likes.

[@MyAramil]

Yep, much like the Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard case. If it had been anyone else he would have lost the case.

[@iCrazy414]

@@MyAramil That’s a dangerous statement. That’s grounds for a mistrial, therefore Amber Heard, the crook, would’ve gotten away with murder and this would set an example for other women to do the same.

[@JohnS-il1dr]

@@MyAramil if anything Amber was the favorite to win. It took an extraordinary amount of solid evidence and the testimony of Depps 2 ex wives as well as recordings to even sway the jurors. She almost won but a juror admitted that her attitude was did her in.

[@omp199]

"I'm betting if this happened over someone famous or influential their account would have been restored immediately..." There are few people, if any, more famous or more influential than Donald Trump, and yet Twitter had no qualms about banning him from Twitter. The big technology companies have more power than even the most influential political leaders and public figures, and they are not afraid to wield it.

[@chasesmay7237]

Google has no customer facing human or email or phone or anything. It would be considered completely unacceptable by any other company, and should be so for them too. Even Spectrum, the worst company on earth, has a customer service department, a phone number, and an email… No one should trust any company they can’t reach on the phone, especially when they are listening to yours…

[@Tfamievenhere]

Most underrated comment

[@yeahgirl11]

Unfortunately, common sense isn't common.

[@TrippinBusa]

Spectrum is booty

[@OriginalContent89]

Absolutely agree

[@vedicwarriorOriginal]

Glad I watched this video. Gonna share it with my inner and outer circle. 👍

[@PropellerSteve]

Thanks for the reminder of our lack of privacy.

[@goopaspect536]

my favorite part about the surveillance tech state is also seeing articles about how we're having a data storage crisis for some strange reason

[@daviddavidson2357]

I remember logging into Facebook for the first time in years and saw "you've recieved a strike for posting CP" The image in question: A civilian with 4th degree (bone deep) burns from white phosphorous. Apparently when the clothes (and skin) are burned off that counts as nudity now. Naturally I fought it but it makes you wonder. Why do the mods think that a mangled corpse = porn?

[@meercreate]

Because they're into that sorta thing

[@riseabove3082]

because it's an AI making the initial decision not a person.

[@samhg3658]

Because necrofiles exist.... Oh boy.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

I guess you were posting a picture of one of America's war crimes. We don't allow that because it might make people think America does war crimes.

[@MichaelLloydMobile]

Excellent content and presentation. And yes, privacy matters even if you're not doing anything wrong!

[@fennyfinari906]

Not only have you shown me first hand that you’re sensible when it comes to the politics and all that but your now my favorite KZbinr I’ve found, ever. Just run for presidency already.

[@issacwessing4945]

It'd be nice if there were some type of legal repercussions for lying to consumers about manual review for things that were in fact not manually reviewed.

[@yeahgirl11]

Pretty sure there is. Might fall under false advertisement, which is illegal.

[@CoolKoon]

"It'd be nice if there were some type of legal repercussions for lying to consumers about manual review for things that were in fact not manually reviewed." - Meh, anybody with half a brain knows that NOTHING that's "decided" lightning fast by the corporate machinery built by these evil bastards is manually reviewed ever. Not even by a wage slave in an Indian sweatshop....

[@crowe6961]

This is, in fact, fraudulent advertising.

[@howardbaxter2514]

The problem is that the people in power don’t care about us and want nothing but more power. We are doomed as a society because of this

[@transsnack]

In this case, manual review would be worse. I dont have kids, but the thought of some stranger looking through my photos to find pictures of any theoretical children I have is a creepy one. How about we just... stop digging through people's data unless there's a warrant?

[@Verlisify]

Big tech having zero accountability has led to unbelievable levels of evil

[@RajasPoorna]

I'm moving out. Thank you so much for this. This is the kick in the pants I needed.

[@32valkyrie32]

So true, just love how u tell it and say it. We need more people like u.

[@RoseKindred]

Your example of the speech-to-text should be made more public. We need people to explain this to politicians in simple words how everything we do and say is being stored without our informed consent. The privacy laws would change quickly if politicians knew their "secret" dates or messages were being stored, among other things but they don't seem to care unless it affects them personally.

[@lostboi2271]

Sad but true

[@androiduberalles]

So... when do we start Right to opt in? 😊

[@zoomzabba452]

I used speech to text for answering some language learning questions. My ads started coming in Spanish and I even got a Spanish language telemarketer.

[@Ronniezim]

Government officials largely support the security state. If they didn’t, Snowden wouldn’t be exiled, he would be pardoned.

[@RoseKindred]

@@Ronniezim That is kinda why I said the "secret" part. How many of them have insider info or hook-ups in their data history they never knew about? Changes would happen so fast.

[@greatcesari]

The weird part is considering how Google knows how to detect these things. I expect google has hundreds of thousands of “child abuse” photos in a database that they use to train their detection algorithm. Weird all around.

[@blinking_dodo]

Not that weird. 🤷‍♂ Every day there are people that work with that kind of content. From Investigators to Researchers to corporate Trust and Safety teams. I sometimes wonder how these people can stay sane...

[@bluezz5002]

@@blinking_dodo I get the feeling that like politicians who are attracted to power, these researches are attracted to well..

[@nimrodery]

@@bluezz5002 Trying to find the causes and methods behind illegal and immoral behavior is not he same as a desire to consume child pron.

[@bluezz5002]

@@nimrodery if you wanna go that route, politicians also have a genuine reason to do their job

[@nimrodery]

@@bluezz5002 I don't group all politicians together, just the same as I don't group any other profession together, everyone is different. Corrupt politicians will always be a problem in a system where money is power, voters need to hold those people accountable. If I thought all politicians don't do their job I would certainly support a different system of governance.

[@renof2505]

Just because you pay for an account does not make you safe from the company running it shutting you down.

[@applechocolate4U]

Keep doing the good work man

[@Atlas-Shrugs]

I showed my ex the saved audio files years ago and we found an audio clip of her screaming at someone in traffic that Google had just picked up and saved. It's absurd how much they have on you

[@Journey_Awaits]

That must have been a uncomfortable laugh

[@somerandomdude4588]

Where’d you find that? Lmao

[@ThrustersX]

Where do you find those

[@michellespeight5972]

I want to know too

[@skaruts]

We live in a world where accusations and rumors like this quickly jump to the front pages, but the acquittals and clarifications do not. So it doesn't matter if you're totally innocent, you don't want this shit happening to you, as it can still ruin your life. Moreover, even when all gets cleared out, there's always some dumb nitwits who will keep believing the initial accusations/rumors were true, and they may still harm you.

[@arandomcommenter412]

Guilty until proven innocent

[@buttahXD]

​@@arandomcommenter412guilty after proven innocent, more like.

[@kuma9239]

Good know that videos like these can circulate in the platform without being censored.

[@eljefeamericano4308]

I've never seen your videos before this one. Love your attitude. Just subscribed. Take care!

[@angelmarauder5647]

Sounds like a lawsuit. It would be like getting banned from all the grocery stores in your area.

[@naranciagaming]

Unfortunately it's impossible to sue giant media conglomerates, even if you can win a case against their extremely pricey lawyers you'll probably just get a couple million dollars which they'll make back by the time you leave the courtroom. The only way to stop stuff life this is the government putting it's foot down which they unfortunately don't seem keen to doing as long as they keep getting paid.