Goosey Gander: The Disturbing History They Never Taught You

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Greetings Darklings, I've taken your fantastic suggestions to heart and incorporated them into this video. You'll find timestamped chapters, a friendly rhyme recitation at the start to jog your memory, and all the references you need in the video description to enhance your viewing experience. Some incredibly kind souls have also offered to support the channel further. If you're inclined to 'buy me a coffee,' the door is open: www.buymeacoffee.com/TheResurrectionists Thank you for joining me on this eerie expedition into Goosey Gander's depths! Your company is most appreciated. 🕯💀🖤

[@Scraggledust]

Ty so much! 💀I’ve had a silent stroke that impacted my reading. It really helps to have things explained so well and with creative imagery🏆👏🥂

[@margaretwordnerd5210]

Are you planning something fun for Halloween, or shall we toss ideas at the page until one delights you? Plenty of spooky fun this season!🎃☠⚰🦇🔮👻👹

[@The-Resurrectionists]

You're very welcome! I'm so sorry to hear about your silent stroke, but I'm truly glad to know that my content has been entertaining for you. Wishing you all the best on your journey of knowledge and recovery! @@Scraggledust

[@The-Resurrectionists]

I would LOVE some ideas! Always happy to hear about what you all want to see next! 🖤☺ @@margaretwordnerd5210

[@andrewgilbertson5356]

Think you should use the term Roman Catholicism

[@lorrainekessel4633]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds these symbolic meanings behind these nursery rhymes absolutely fascinating.

[@jamessotherden5909]

Not only do I enjoy learning about the meaning of nursery rhymes but also the history lesson we get about life back then. Well done.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much! 🖤☺️

[@amberg4131]

The facts that these have multiple possible meanings makes it very hard to accurately pinpoint. I feel like the Catholic Churchs records that we dont presently have any access to can shed some light on these matters. However they were likely told to not, by possibly the English royalty or some other high power positions. Sad though. I'd love to hear the main reasons or main stories for these.

[@arcadiaberger9204]

I appreciate the fact that you don't insist there's only one definitive interpretation of a nursery rhyme.

[@eugeneflynn7435]

Let us not sleep on the soothing yet macabre tones of our narrator. Her voice, lovely as it is, somehow enhances the darkness underlying these children’s rhymes. Liked & subbed. I’ll be back soon for more.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much :)

[@joanmatchett8100]

We used to say this rhyme as children, my uncle used to refer to catholics as left footers , but l never knew this rhyme was about priest's.

[@DocBree13]

That’s really neat :) I’ve never even heard of the rhyme before.

[@barriereid9244]

In modern day Scotland we still have a minority Catholic population. "What school did you go to?" is still a popular question at interviews. "What team do you support?" is another question asked (Glasgow Celtic & Rangers). My answer; as a former ITU nurse, is "The medical team."

[@Donathon-f6f]

I had a good friend who despises Dundee Celtic for that reason

[@scrotube]

As a child of the 70's, I had a 78 rpm with goosey on it, and it always struck me as particularly violent

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Yes it always unsettled me as a child!

[@franceshorton918]

Yes, I always understood that goosey gander was illicitly "in my ladies' chamber" and should not have been there! Even a small child understands that. 😂

[@deniseelsworth7816]

​@@franceshorton918 yes but I thought for a different reason!!

[@maureensamson4863]

I had Nursery Rhymes on 78 rpm records in the 1950 's.... " Uncle Mac " presented them and " Goosey Gander " ended with a long drawn out groan ! Quite terrifying to a little girl enjoying these on a wind up gramophone !😮

[@jeanjaz]

I have only started watching your videos - I have always loved nursery rhymes and found them fascinating. I love learning more about them. One I would like to learn more about (if you haven't already) is "Then All the World Would Be Upside-down." If buttercups buzzed After the bees; Boats were on land, Churches on seas. If horses rode men, And grass ate the cows, Cats were chased into holes by the mouse. If the mamas sold their babies to the gypsies for half a crown; If summer were spring, and the other way round; Then all the world would be upside-down.

[@HitomiKitage]

I had never heard of this nursery rhyme before. But this is fascinating! I love the channel. Thank you for what you do. Keep it up.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much! I'm so glad you enjoyed :)

[@awaywiththetheories1833]

It’s interesting that ‘gander’ meant wandering around foolishly. Because I grew up being taught it meant to ‘go have a look’.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Yes it's fascinating how slang evolves over time. It's evident that these rhymes transformed into children's material as language and imagery shifted, gradually shedding their original slang connotations.

[@GG-jw8pt]

Usually when people say 'gis a gander!' (Look at that) they are nosey fools, so it does make sense😂

[@darrellhamner4608]

Often heard the phrase "take a gander"

[@annab13]

I thought it meant a boy goose, so.. 🤷‍♀️ 😆

[@awaywiththetheories1833]

@@annab13 it does, it’s also a place in Canada. It has multiple meanings.

[@JeanBray-cj3lu]

I have always been curious about the origins of rhymes and fairy tales my entire life. Not being a scholar, I am so very happy to find a place where I may learn how and where they came from. It appears that the stories have a dark meaning, but told in a pleasing manner. Thank you for expanding our knowledge.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you! I'm so happy you're enjoying my channel :) 🖤

[@topsyfulwell]

I love the scope of interpretations on a single rhyme. Each one, as convincing as the next. Here in Australia, the term have or take a gander means to look at something. I had some fun adding that meaning into the rhyme. Keep up your wonderful work. Some requests I'm curious about Pease porridge hot Little Boy Blue Baa Baa Black Sheep

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you for the kind words and for the suggestions! Glad you enjoyed the video 🖤☺️

[@chrisbeauvais2982]

❤😊😊😊😊

[@Plethorality]

Have a ganda, ya goose!

[@SparkleLuna77]

The ‘have a gander’ meaning to look at something is also used in the midlands in the UK. I know because I live there 😊

[@brianbrian1769]

Wouldn't say boo to a goose. Scots phrase. English translation from Scots. No geese were harmed in this translation.

[@judithsullivan9703]

I'm wondering if these nursery rhymes aren't the real people's history. Thank you Resurrectionists for keeping them alive with meaning. I'm a new fan of your channel.

[@G8Grape]

Loved this investigation into Goosy Gander, when I was a little girl a 'Christmas Goose' was a pinch on the bottom and today now and again I stoll have heard, "What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander," 😋

[@josiehoyle9314]

We always said what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[@jeanglendinning1860]

i have also heard the phrase "take a gander at that" meaning take a look at that

[@jeffreykalb9752]

Elizabethan England was the first modern police state. The persecution was as vicious as under Diocletian. But they controlled the printing presses, so all you ever hear about is Mary Queen of Scots.

[@cestmoi7368]

Step one: control the media. Already done in Canada today….

[@ravenmeyer3740]

Interesting. Difficult to get a broad view of what is happening in the world without reading comments such as yours. I read the Guardian and shy away from mainstream media even though it may have valid points.

[@AutumnBlessed]

I'm an American, and I've never heard of this rhyme. I learn something new here with every video!

[@alphooey]

I’m English and my Mother told this rhyme but my partner’s Scottish and she didn’t say this over. His Mum was a librarian so was very much into literature and oral tradition and lore.

[@davidkermes376]

the rhyme played an important but misleading part in a movie with gregory peck and sophia loren. .anybody remember its name?

[@GeekGirl-ub7ki]

Its funny. When I heard this rhyme as a child I immediately thought it was about a guy caught with another man's wife and the man throwing the guy out and down the stairs. As an adult, I heard about the whole catholic persecution angle. Its interesting that, in its history, it might have served both purposes in a way.

[@Bigbro28]

Your channel is now essential viewing for me so 10/10 for your efforts to keep us enthralled.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much :)

[@rawilliams5881]

Well, upstairs and downstairs is a reference to activities among both the household staff and also the noble occupants of the house. Whether that refers to hearing Confession or philandering is not as clear.

[@willashby2250]

As always, fabulous! Due to our rich & intricate history, I think all of these possibilities are feasible, culminating in the rhyme we know today!

[@memorylayne78]

I wasn’t familiar with this rhyme, so it definitely struck me as a violent one! I am familiar with the quote “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander “ and “loosey goosey “. I wonder if they evolved from this rhyme

[@sam12587]

I’d be curious if it’s related to.

[@dannylo5875]

They are .

[@romecottrell6444]

The prescution of innocent people no matter who they're is very shameful 😢.

[@bogusmogus9551]

Still happens today

[@paulchambers3142]

It's all about power....

[@ravenmeyer3740]

All about power and the innate being of human nature. It hasn’t evolved and will never evolve. It has always been about dominance. Better to be a loner.

[@seandmoore6922]

Priests are/were not “innocent”….they were vile and wicked.

[@JoyPeace-ej2uv]

@@seandmoore6922 Some were some were not. But a person of power who had "confessed" his sins felt exposed and open to blackmail. I can imagine some priests would hold it over a monarch's head (or a bishop might) while others took the vow to keep it secret seriously. But if even one threatened to make it public or else, and perhaps it was well meaning do better by your people, do not harm this person. Then the monarch was likely to hate them all.

[@cubicinches18]

Don't forget the reign of Bloody Mary (Reigned 1553 1558) daughter of Henry viii and Catherine of Aragon and her persecutions of protestant priests. A crazy time in history but this nursery ryme comes from the Cromwellian Commonwealth after the civil war when the Puritan government favoured neither Catholics or protestants but persecuted all but Puritans. The goosey gander refers to the goose step that the Round Head soldiers marched. They would search houses (Stately Homes) for priests holes both up stairs and down stairs. If you prefer to follow the sexual allegory of the ryme perhaps you should mention the act of figging ginger root as well. The allusion to sexual congress in the ryme refers to the Puritans as not being so Pure as they would like history to believe.

[@marcjames8313]

More persons were killed under Henry 8th than any other monarch. Don’t get started on Cromwell in Ireland , and as for Elizabeth the bastard queen, made everyone to go to church? Every Sunday and you would get fined 5pounds for not appearing, when the majority of the populace were illiterate, would believe any propaganda from the Anglican pulpit.

[@medler2110]

Do you have some historical references for this theory?

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you for sharing your insights! Yes it's possible the rhyme is referencing Cromwell himself, he was certainly notorious! I might be wrong but I believe the term "goose-step" wasn't recorded until 1854 however? In my research I kept coming across the idea that there was another notorious priest hunter with the surname "Gandre" that it was referencing, but I could find no hard evidence, which is why I went into priest hunters in general for the video. A very dark and dangerous time to be alive indeed. Thank you again :)

[@muttman325]

Roundheads didn't goose step. That didn't come about until over a century and a half

[@cubicinches18]

@@medler2110 Mainly Encyclopaedia Britannica a much more trustworthy source than Wiki, but you will also find many historical references to many nursery rhymes. They were the allegorical comic relief and political commentary of their day.

[@traceypedigo6405]

The drinking of wine, by doctors, to avoid infections from patients, rings a truth, believe it or not, consuming enough alcohol, and having it in your blood, when exposed to some things, has saved lives of people, being bitten by copperhead snakes. I know at least 2 people that say that if not for having drank so much moonshine, counteracted the venom of the snake. So, maybe it did help the doctors to stay healthy during times of treating certain illnesses.

[@ruthanneseven]

Seriously? That's amazing if true! Could be. These ditties last for a reason!

[@wifeofagrumpyoldmarine428]

What a fascinating, macabre channel! I enjoyed your narration of the history of this nursery rhyme.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Glad you enjoyed it! 🖤☺️

[@Grace-le9kb]

Was a very good video do you know the narrators name??

[@olddoggeleventy2718]

Your descriptive and flowery narration, particularly concerning a priest's thoughts and feelings while in a priest hole, is worthy of written publication or audiobook.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much! That's very kind :)

[@colindeer9657]

My my my what a twisted rhyme. I suppose you realise this destroys my childhood innocence in this rhyme? Lovely to have you back btw. Been missed.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much for the warm welcome back! 🖤 It's great to be back and sharing my work again. This one is especially dark isn't it 😅

[@RobCarmina]

Thanks for your wonderful series, especially for this one on 'Goosey Gander'. At the risk of appearing pedantic, I seem to remember the word 'sack' being in Henry James' novel 'Joseph Andrews' - the scullery-maid has a secret jar of it for 'fortifying' her self - see also a definition of 'Sack-whey' - 'a mixture of the watery part of milk with a sherry-like wine' - 'Tom Jones', p.311 (note). So in the Eighteenth-Century the word 'sack' was still being used for this wine (which I suppose was sherry). The 'surface' meaning of the rhyme seems almost overtly sexual - a 'goosey gander' could mean a 'nervous (or nervously-excited) peeping-Tom' - looking everywhere for titilation until he finally gets to the 'lady's chamber' - which could mean either her private bedroom or her other, more intimate 'chamber' (as in the euphemism 'love chamber'). However, as you have so brilliantly demonstrated, the 'surface meaning' of all these rhymes disguises a deeper, more disturbing message or truth.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you for sharing your insights! From what I understand, Sherry is the closest modern equivalent to "sack" and its evolved variations, though it doesn't quite capture the full essence. "Sack" was a more general term back then, encompassing various types of fortified wines. What's intriguing in the rhyme is the mention of ginger, which hints at the historical practice of enhancing early sack in the 15th and 16th centuries. When it started to be introduced to England, these wines didn't have much time to mature in barrels, so spices and other additives were used to improve their taste. This made them more akin to cooking wines, and they were often less palatable without these enhancements. Considering this, it's plausible that the bordello would have kept some "cheap" spiced wine in her chamber. It became more palatable (and more expensive!) later on by what I understand. In the late 17th and early 18th centuries, ginger wine started being promoted as a sort of cure-all remedy and after that the term "sack" started to dwindle, although some may have used it to refer to sherry as you rightly pointed out. But I'm not sure if you'd necessarily add ginger root to sherry: I know that to preserve ginger you can store it in sherry or fortified wine: but if that was the case I'd expect the rhyme to mention a jar, rather than a cup of sack? Thank you for your thought-provoking contribution; I genuinely appreciate your insights 🖤☺️

[@dallassukerkin6878]

What an excellent channel KZbin has served up before my eyes today! I was, once upon a time {:)} an historian, so I know all too well how difficult it is to piece together an accurate picture of the past. The several, widely variant, interpretations of a simple rhyme prove that point most ably.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much for your kind words! Really appreciated :)

[@Lou.B]

Your scholarship is most impressive! Thank You for the great stories!

[@nicolaswhite543]

I don't remember hearing this nursery rhyme before; but now I know where a variation of it comes from in a lyric in the song "Spellbound" Great channel! Enjoying this. I subbed a couple few weeks ago.

[@patricedesvarieux2856]

I’ve been watching your videos from the beginning and your research is amazing! You are one of my favorite channels. ☺ Can’t wait for the next video. Take care…

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Wow, thank you! Really appreciate your support and kind words :)

[@1323WTF]

I really enjoy what you do here, and hope you continue. I subscribed, hit the bell, and share your vids with my friends. One thought I had during this one is that 'Gander' is a slang for Looking at something, as in "Take a gander at that !' perhaps tying in with the more randy/saucy parts you mentioned. Good Luck be upon you - I look forward to more. B.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much for your support! I appreciate it so much :)

[@nickfirth4440]

Upstairs and downstairs refers to being the gentry and Downstairs refers to servants. There was an English historical TV show called that with those precise meanings!

[@OwlingDogDesign]

Oh, goodness! I wasn't expecting such an indepth study on this rhyme! Thank you so much! Of course, I'm sure many people asked, but I suggested this rhyme was an interesting one. So grateful for your work! 😀

[@The-Resurrectionists]

You're so welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed. Please do keep letting me know what you want to see on this channel 🖤☺️

[@ChunksPlace]

Every video gets better and better! Love it

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much! :)

[@leo-3778]

I never heard of the Crossbones Graveyard on London. Very interesting. It's also disturbing how vicious and brutal the English were in the past.

[@beckysprang5517]

There is a BBC show called History Cold Case from about a decade or so ago. One of the episodes from Season 1 is a body that was exhumed from Crossbones and died from complications from Syphilis. It's a very good show/episode but has very dark undertones because at the age this girl died, it wouldn't have been unreasonable for her to have had her initial syphilis exposure as a child/pre-teen :(

[@nickjung7394]

Certainly no worse than other races and certainly considerably better than most!

[@leo-3778]

@@beckysprang5517 - In the US, we never get any good programming. That young girl must have led a,miserable short life.

[@leo-3778]

@@nickjung7394 - It certainly was worse in England. For a nation that pretended to be so superior to every other nation, I was always struck by the brutality of the English class system, how horribly they treated the poor, and even criminals, by hanging, as laid out in Dickens's _Great Expectations_ and in all his other novels.

[@nickjung7394]

@@leo-3778 ever been to Africa or the Middle East? Look at the Roman invasions, Alexander The Great's antics, the oppression of India by the Moghuls. Which country actually banned slavery and actively took steps to enforce the ban? Ever wondered why African slaves taken to the Muslim areas did not breed? How many Soviet people died under Stalin? How many died under Mao? Ever heard of the various inquisitions? The English class system is one of the most benign in the world!

[@sharonkaczorowski8690]

I knew the nursery rhyme but not the very dark history…the things humans do to each other over religion or ideology are always horrifying.

[@GingerLeggaLambCrafts]

Love learning more about nursery rymes. How about 'Wee Willy Winkey'? All I remember of it is: Wee Willy Winkey runs through the town. Upstairs, downstairs in his in his nightgown.

[@ruthanneseven]

YES!! I told my son that every night! He's still getting sleey at 8pm too!😂

[@takohamoolsen2486]

I remember reading that Cromwell's soldiers would march with a goose type walk. Perhaps that's where the 'goosey goosey gander' comes from.

[@tashuntka]

This very well be the coolest, easy-listenable channel everrrr.. I 💛 it so.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Wow, thank you! 🖤☺️

[@Zenas521]

My favorite nursery rhyme is Ring Around the Rosie, followed by Peater Peater Pumpkin eater, and Peas Portage. You have a wonderful channel. May you have many years of success.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much! :)

[@ruthanneseven]

Peas porridge is the actual word, but that happened with songs on the radio too!

[@melvinthomas3321]

Not one I remember but very interesting. Are you ever going to do "hickory dickery, doc.... the mouse went up the clock...." or however it goes?

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Yes it's a rhyme that's on my list for sure! Thank you so much :)

[@annab13]

They had this old song for the Spanish flu. It went, I had a little bird, it's name was Enza. I opened up the window, in few Enza. Like they got told not to go outside during their pandemic too... which coincidentally was before the war began 🤔

[@D.Fay_Coe]

utterly fascinating. I love these videos. I often wonder about nursery rhymes and I love the various theories and history lessons. fair play to you for having such a cool channel.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you! :)

[@ruthanneseven]

Where does 'Wee Willy Winky' come from? I said it to my little son each night. We never battled at bedtime. The sweet little rhyme was a magic charm, sparing me any grief. As time went by it even had him yawning every night at 8 o'clock as a 16 year old! 😂 He's 46 this year. Now you've really got me wondering about where it came from! Thank you for so many fascinating details!

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you for your kind words! Wee Willy Winky is a beautiful Scottish poem: I'm not sure if it has any deeper meaning because I've not deeply researched it as yet. If you have any Scottish friends, ask them to recite the original as it really brings it to life!: Wee Willie Winkie rins through the toon, Up stairs an' doon stairs in his nicht-gown, Tirlin' at the window, crying at the lock, "Are the weans in their bed, for it's now ten o'clock?"

[@ruthanneseven]

@@The-Resurrectionists I used 8 o'clock, but for the life of me, I dinna ken where I first heard it! When I'm able, I'll check an ancient book called The Minstralcey of the Border Town's, passed down to me by my Great Grandmama, (who hailed from Scotland) and see if it's in there. She's a direct descendant of Thomas of Britain, aka Thomas the Rhymer! I can hear it in my head as you wrote it, in that rich Scottish brogue. The male line from Thomas died out, but the name Learmont was passed down through the females in that auld naming pattern in the family. Such fun! I'll let you know if I find Wee Willy in my book!

[@gbentley8176]

Loved this one as a child, alongside "Goosey, goosey gander, wither will you wander; upstairs and downstairs, and in my lady's chamber".

[@andygardner9219]

This is a fabulous channel!!! Great content and a wonderful voice to listen to! Brilliant work!! 🤙

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much! 🖤☺️

[@douglasclerk2764]

It might also allude to what guests at a rural stately home might get up to during the night, including how the husband might react to finding his wife up to the same sort of shenanigans as he had been up to, on later returning to the marital bedroom.

[@melcastles8027]

I really am amazed with time and effort you put into these videos. You make learning new something new interesting and fun. Thank you

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you very much! :)

[@LeePenn2492]

Every day is a school day.. Interesting and informative . Good clean family fun.

[@paddyearly]

Excellent video🙏 Disturbing but great to have this insight✅

[@robinguertin574]

Thank you, very interesting & informative.

[@elizabethdesousa8290]

Glad your doing this and that I came across your channel 🎊

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you! I'm so glad you're enjoying the channel 🖤☺️

[@rozanidesignsmasquerade7050]

Most interesting information. I appreciate the intriguing research. 👍

[@bruggeman672]

Brilliant work! Even as a former Catholic i can sympathize with the priest, which is admittedly not an easy task to accomplish. Well done!

[@joestrat2723]

Very interesting analysis and history. So much packed into a (harmless?) nursery rhyme. Well done!

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it! :)

[@Phlowermom]

What about "he's a quack"?

[@ruthanneseven]

I have been searching for a channel like yours, et voila! I love your content, and happy to find you!😊

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you! I'm happy you've found me :)

[@nicolejenkins2609]

I had never heard this rhyme in the US, except the quote about taking him by the and throw him down the stairs from Siouxsie and the Banshees, "Spellbound."

[@zyrinaz]

I'm enjoying learning not only history, but rhymes I haven't ever even heard. The closest I have heard to this is,"What's good for the goose is good for the gander." Which may reflect back to the more lascivious potential meanings of this rhyme. Oddly, I had heard about priest holes, and some of the torturing of catholics, but not in as much details as in these break downs of nursery rhymes. Thank you 4 the interesting and informative trecks back in time. It also is a reminder of how people often cope with bad situations by injections of dark humor... a laugh so u don't cry sort of thing..

[@dimetronome]

A BBC podcast I was listening to about the English Civil Wars said that this nursery rhyme most likely originated as a reference to Oliver Cromwell's soldiers ransacking homes and assaulting people not showing strict religious observance.

[@bigmaryhelen]

Great video. The word "gander" is still used in northern England to mean "wander", but also to mean "look".

[@celiabarrett2107]

It sort of combines walking around and looking indeed!

[@glennruscher4007]

@6:30; That seems like the priest had a stroke.

[@thealaidlaw6696]

Dear Darkling so pleased your throat is better, yet another good interpretation of the Rhyme , and to see how well your site is growing, blessings from your dark, darling 🧙‍♀️

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much 🖤☺️

[@britfliptop]

Coming from London I recognise the terms Gander and Goose as modern slang the former is to look at something" let's have a gander at it" and the latter well lets just say intimacy with a woman without a great deal of intimacy.

[@jackflak]

This is the first I've heard of this rhyme .. as always interesting history n nasty business .. thanks again

[@AthyDuGard]

So glad to get the notification for this video! Thank you once again for your well-researched and entertaining break down of a classic nursery rhyme. Greetings from Oz 🐨 🖤

[@The-Resurrectionists]

You are so welcome! :)

[@TrineDaely]

Does the phrase "a goose walked over my grave" also originate from the same?

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Good question! I believe the phrase, “someone walked over my grave,” first appeared in print in the 1700s, but its superstition-laden nature suggests it may have much deeper roots in earlier folklore, so there could be a connection. The connection between a shiver down the spine and the notion of someone treading over your future grave is one I certainly grew up with. I've not actually heard of a "goose walked over my grave" but I presume it means similar?

[@TrineDaely]

@@The-Resurrectionists Yes, it's the same. Seeing the goose graveyard made me wonder if it came from that. Maybe the goose version is more American or influenced from elsewhere though.

[@franceshorton918]

Just wondering, do you intend to do the same investigation into the darkness of "Fairy Stories" or traditional children's stories? At University English 101 our lecturer discussed the classic Little Red Riding Hood story. Whoah ! It apparently references European cannibalism from dark race memory, among many other 'young maiden' dark themes. Disney sanitised a lot of the story to make it more palatable for audiences!

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Absolutely! I love the history and origins of fairy tales and folklore, and little red riding hood happens to be one of my favourites, so I plan to tackle it in the future :)

[@celiabarrett2107]

You should read The Uses of Enchantment by Bruno Bettelheim. Covers the topic.

[@Jettypilelegs]

This is my favourite channel ever!

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Wow! Thank you so much :) 🖤

[@chubbybrain]

Thank you !

[@jsmcguireIII]

Jesuit Nicholas Owen was the most prolific and clever designer and builder of 16th century priest holes.

[@Reina.Nijinsky]

Gtk 👍🏼

[@georgeabraham7256]

When the goose had wandered beyond what is good, to where the gander takes the role of what is proper.

[@safiremorningstar]

Don't forget the expression I don't know how old the expression itself is but to take a gander meant to look at something and you called somebody a goose if they were foolish you also told called women hen or a flock of geese if they were gathered together so you may be right about it having two different meanings and it might have two different meanings for good reason if you want to hide something hide it in plain sight that is what I learned from my father a holocaust survivor and a member of the French Underground. So while on the surface it might be seen back then as a very lewd song it might have also been used as a means to warn somebody who was about to be raided, to hide everything, for that priest and for any Catholic member of you know pieces memorabilia if you will, that they where about to be searched as in they very authority we're going to have "gander". And you also have to bear in mind that these are the same people who often used fake means to pull out witches you know to discover witches they would take an odd bodkin (hope I got the word right not doing to well and voice to text is being troublesome) so the salaciousness both of the Rhine and the fact that it may have been used for two different reasons maybe for the fact that if you're trying to hide something you also need a warning signal and this might song sung by children might have been a warning call. I could be wrong in this but let's face it we're talkin about to very similar religions when they started out they were so similar that except for the priest and a few other things he would have been very difficult to tell who was a pious Protestant and who was a pious Catholic.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you for sharing your insights! I definitely think Goosey Gander has multiple meanings, more than most other rhymes, but as you say that could have been done on purpose to "hide in plain sight". And wow, learning from your father must have provided you with a wealth of unique perspectives and stories. History is a treasure trove of lessons and experiences, and your contributions to the discussion here make it all the more meaningful 🖤☺️

[@safiremorningstar]

@@The-Resurrectionists Thank you. You might find this also kind of interesting but even Jews, who hidden plain sight often did the very thing I mentioned above that’s one of the reasons I say what I say it is far more common in the past, then you know, the time of the Romans, it was not permitted for Jews to study either our language or our holy books. Basically we weren’t allowed to be Jews because of this we found ways around things for example, the whole dreidel that people talk about this was done in order to give the history over but it looked like we were just gambling or a kid was just playing with a top. They were also special rhymes, and some of the more famous ones from some of the worst. If you will are done in such a way that unless you know the not just the symbolism, but the hidden wording you will miss out on what is being said, in fact, most of the Bible in it’s original form is done in a sort of if you want to call it shorthand some might even go so far as to say not quite a shorthand more like a coated message and it’s done on purpose because of really bad people were always trying to point out how we’re different how we set ourselves is different etc. I won’t go into the details but when you’ve had to deal with this for thousands of years you can immediately read between the lines if you’re trying to do so and trust me I’ve been trying to do so it’s not always easy and sometimes it’s a real bloody headache. Pardon my British comment but that’s what I get for being married to an Englishman lol.

[@FelixstoweFoamForge]

You did it! Thank you! A very sinister rhyme about a very dark time? Or something later?

[@The-Resurrectionists]

You're so welcome :)

[@mauricebate5069]

Enjoyed the video ! And well narrated 11 out 10

[@mike76rob]

First off, I love your videos here. I love discovering not just words and phrases but also where rhymes could potentially come from. Just one note for this video. I come from Fife in Scotland and "to have a gander" is to have a look which fits in roughly with one of your ideas although the meaning of the word is totally different in your interpretation. I am not saying one is right and the other wrong, as you say some are so old it pre dates text but I had to say here

[@chrisdorrell1]

I absolutely love this channel. Your voice is amazing. I am guessing your are an historian. Just brilliant you should be on telly i can imagine a late night 15 min to 30 mins slot with your voice before bed and the "story" telling. Fabulous

[@dhm7815]

There was a book of origins called "Horsefeathers" by Funk (father and son). I've forgotten the first name but the father was the main editor of Funk and Wagnall's encyclopedia. They spent slow years gathering the clues for finding why there is an American idiom "kangaroo court" which was unknown in Australia. But anyway, one thing that stymied both was "gandy dancer". It means a railroad worker. There is a railroad bridge in Tampa Bay named after the businessman who financed who was named Gandy. Could it have misapplied from an older idiom about a young playboy or stag?

[@XiaoGuanYin104]

There used to be a restaurant in Ann Arbor MI called The Gamdy Dancers.

[@chuckschillingvideos]

You know, as long as we're talking about religious persecution, you might want to have a "gander" at the Spanish Inquisition. The treatment of RCC priests in the reign of Henry VIII pales in comparison to what was going on in Spain in the 15th Century and beyond, all with the happy acquiescence of the papacy.

[@jessecaple170]

May I just take this opportunity to tell you that your voice amazes me. If I may be so bold as to ask...do you sing? If so it I can only imagine that it must be a beautiful sound🎶

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Wow thank you so much, I'm blushing! I do indeed engage in singing, though presently it occurs solely within the confines of my humble abode 😅. In bygone years, I did write my own songs. However, it has been a considerably long time since! Thank you for your kind words :)

[@pwblackmore]

Oh deary me - you certainly are serving up some disturbing backgrounds to our lovely nursery rhymes. I love it, and you deserve my subscription and thumbs up. Only recently discovered you (not by choice, so thanks YT algorithms) and I shall indulge myself slowly, or will suffer from aural and visual overload. Yes, your explanations are without equal, and especially captivating are the contemporary prints and paintings you have managed to unearth. One small quibble - curtains are 'hung', humans are 'hanged'. Excepting that, I shall carry on being enthralled.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you! I'm so happy you're enjoying my channel. :) And yes you are quite right; I will try to keep a lookout for that in the future! Really appreciate you being here and the lovely comment 🖤

[@alisonbrowning9620]

nursery rhymes often have some very scary and horrific back grounds

[@ravenmeyer3740]

History is nothing but a horrific background. Ever read the background of food and how companies gained dominance? Start with Oreo cookies.

[@raymondtillotson6985]

Is Henry the 8th NOT connected to any of these rhymes?

[@FelixstoweFoamForge]

Old Henry did have a certain impact on England, so probably no....

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Henry VIII seems to have a knack for sneaking into every historical nook and cranny, doesn't he? 🤣 Maybe we should turn it into a 'Henry VIII Mention' drinking game - take a shot or a sip of Château Margaux wine every time I manage to work him into a video! 🤣 Cheers to making history lessons a bit more entertaining! 🍷😄

[@FelixstoweFoamForge]

That is a very good idea!@@The-Resurrectionists

[@mandolinic]

These nursery rhyme videos are excellent. I learned goosey gander (and many others) as a child in the 1960s and thought nothing of it. Now 60 years later, the truth is emerging.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much, I'm so happy you're enjoying them! :)

[@VijaySuryaAditya]

Excellent

[@TheEnchantedDuat]

Thankyou :)

[@paulgrant285]

And fascinated!

[@careersadviser]

My understanding of this rhyme is also a reference to the persecution of Catholics. However, origins are mid 17th C. The Puritans, in the form of Cromwell's Roundheads, marched in a "goose-step", hence the goosey goosey gander (look or search). Seeking out idolators, whether priests or lay Catholics (left-footers). Punishments were indeed harsh, even fatal.

[@chrisdorrell1]

Mate you are epic thank you xx

[@estellerobicheau852]

Thank you for choosing my suggestion ❤❤❤

[@The-Resurrectionists]

You're welcome! Hope you enjoyed :)

[@janesmith1398]

Is this where the term " What's good for the goose, is good for the gander" comes from?

[@JustOneKnight]

I heard the phrase of goosey gander and never knew what it was supposed to imply, had never heard the ryhme before. Thankyou.

[@derelbriarley6786]

I heard that it referred to Cromwell's men goosestepping, and their hunting out priests. I wondered what the left leg meant.

[@eugeneflynn7435]

Thanks!

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you so much! That's so kind :)

[@paulchambers3142]

Interesting fact....Gander pronounced Ganda is a word well used by Geordies is means to have a look....whether that be at a static object or you need to move to the object/scene.....I.e. "gan hava ganda" This is a word I grew up with. Great episodes 👌 thanks

[@evelynharber6077]

Wow, thank you for explaining this nursery rhyme to your audience. Like so many nursery rhymes it does not have the innocent beginning that we have thought it did when children! Will be reading more, very interesting. Nicely illustrated also Thank you.

[@The-Resurrectionists]

Thank you for your kind words! 🖤