Sanding Jig For Segmented Woodturning Part 2

Showing how to build a sanding jig for a Disc Sander that allows me to refine the angles on segments used in segmented woodturning. Includes information on how to calibrate the sander and how to sand the segments. This is part 2 of 2 parts.

[@jerryearle]

One of the very best videos on segmented cutting/sanding I have ever seen. Thanks for your efforts.

[@GordonRock1]

Wow!! Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate the comment and the support. .....Gord

[@Jeff1Jeff2Jeff3Jeff]

As always, an excellent resource .. you are a skilled 'maker' ... of objects AND OF videos ..

[@GordonRock1]

Thank you, Jeff. I want to point out, just in case you’re not aware of it, that I no longer use this sanding jig. Ever since I discovered Jerry Bennett’s wedgie sled that’s the way I go. Thanks for watching and for the kind words!

[@snoopdog68]

I like that you are a nitpicking perfectionist and like the extra steps you take to make something accurate long term. The fix of removing the tape for a permanent fix is sweet.

[@GordonRock1]

+mike t Thank you, Mike. I've had people tell me that I'm TOO picky about things so it's refreshing to hear from someone who appreciates it. Thanks for watching, .....Gord

[@DanielVilarino]

Hi Gord, great series of videos, I love the way you explain all the details and the attention you put in the smallest details, which might seem small, but at the end add to things not fitting correctly! That's the way to do it! Cheers! Daniel

[@GordonRock1]

Thanks very much, Daniel. I once had a viewer complain that I was putting too much detail in my tutorials and making them too simple. I would rather have too much information when looking for how to do something than too little information. I hope most people feel the same way. I'm glad you seem to agree. Thanks again!!! Take care, .....Gord

[@traog2445]

Very good and clear instructions. I just purchased a 12" disk sander very much like the one you are using and will be making a jig like yours, once winter hits and work slows a bit. I didn't see anything I would do differently. Now I just need to get my hands on some of those ceramic disks.

[@GordonRock1]

traog Glad you enjoyed it. Have fun making yours!! Thanks for watching!

[@Uncle_Buzz]

Great stuff Gord! Found a new favorite woodworking channel.

[@GordonRock1]

Cactus Chris Thank you, Chris! I appreciate that. Thanks for watching and commenting. The support is much appreciated. Take care, .....Gord

[@fredgraber9385]

Gordon, great video. Very well explained and demonstrated. Thank you for sharing. Fred

[@GordonRock1]

Fred Graber Thank you, Fred.

[@martinboyle6632]

Great two part video. Going to be trying a segmented piece soon and the information in these videos will be very useful. You have a new subscriber. Looking forward to watching more of your videos.

[@GordonRock1]

Martin Boyle Thank you, Martin. I'm glad you enjoyed them......Gord

[@Finewoodworkingofsc]

Gord, great instructional video on making a sanding jig for segmented woodworking.

[@GordonRock1]

Thank you very much. I'm happy you liked it. Take care, .....Gord

[@robinskitube]

Wow super video, precision engineering in wood, been wanting to make a segmented bowl, now I'm gonna have a go. Thankyou sir.....

[@GordonRock1]

Glad you liked it. I hope it works well for you. Thank you for watching! .....Gord

[@Ronalcock1]

Great tutorial Gord, I have always struggled with this. Ron in UK

[@GordonRock1]

Hi Ron, This video was made quite awhile ago. Since then I have discovered Jerry Bennet’s wedgie sled and use that. If you have a table saw you should check it out. I made a video about it called Quicker and Easier Segmented Rings. Thanks for watching, Ron. .....Gord

[@WoodenItBeNice]

Hi Gord, Brilliant explanation. This is on my to do list. Cheers, Huw

[@GordonRock1]

Glad you liked it, Huw. You might find that you don’t need this. This video was made before the Wedgie Sled was invented by Jerry Bennett. I still use it occasionally but rarely for segmented rings. Thanks for watching, anyway! I hope you’re staying safe and healthy! Happy turning, .....Gord

[@eddiestipe2009]

I just located your channel, have subscribe. Very well done and easy to understand. Thank you and interested in what is next.

[@GordonRock1]

Thank you for watching and subscribing, Eddie. That video was from six years ago so you have lots of catching up to do if you want to see them all. LOL! I hope you can find something interesting on my channel. To be honest I do not use that particular jig anymore since I discovered the Wedgie sled. It makes it much easier to cut perfect rings. Thanks again for watching! .....Gord

[@paulcleary3289]

Brilliant Gord and thanks for sharing. A really pleasurable watch! P

[@GordonRock1]

Glad you liked it, Paul. This is a fairly old video now. Since making it I discovered Jerry Bennett’s wedgie sled and it is much easier to use. I have a video called Quicker & Easier Segmented Rings that you might want to watch. If you have a tablesaw it is a much better method!! Thanks for watching! Take care, .....Gord

[@paulcleary3289]

Hi Gord, and thanks for your reply. Yes I have seen Jerry Bennett's Segmentology videos and have made the sled and as you say it is excellent. To date I have only ever used paper wedgies and they have not been as accurate as they might have been. I still think your sanding jig approach is excellent although once I get myself some proper wedgies I may not need it. Now that I have found your channel I will have many happy hours learning from your inspirational videos. Best wishes from across the pond. P

[@mikalaki1]

Great instructional video, thank u very much Gord

[@GordonRock1]

My pleasure, Michael. I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching. Take care, .....Gord

[@kevingeaney7741]

Very detailed instructions Gord, I can't go far wrong if I follow your advice. (Well I can actually, but that won't be your fault!). Both parts very enjoyable.

[@GordonRock1]

Hi Kevin, Very glad you liked it. I still use the sanding jig occasionally when doing a complicated feature ring but if I'm doing a segmented ring with segments that have no diamonds or other things like that I now use the Wedgie Sled which I think was invented by Jerry Bennet. If set up properly and you use the wedgies he sells or have a way to make the wedgies accurately it is a much quicker method. I have a video that explains it and I believe it's called Quicker and Easier Segmented Rings. You may want to check it out as it really is a much quicker and easier method. Thanks for watching, Kevin! All the best, .....Gord

[@alfredoleiser]

excellent demonstration specially for a beginner like me, thank you very much

[@GordonRock1]

Thank you very much, Alfred. I'm glad you liked it. Take care, .....Gord

[@chuckbell2949]

Thanks again, great review!

[@GordonRock1]

My pleasure, Chuck. Enjoy the turning. 😃😃 Thanks for watching!

[@RalphVawter]

Great video, Gord. I will be building one of those.

[@GordonRock1]

Thank you, Ralph, I'm glad you liked it. If you plan to make one for segmented turning I suggest you take a look at a more recent video I did called Quicker & Easier Segmented Rings. I wish I had known of the Wedgies I show in that video a long time ago. As much as I liked using the sanding jig I have to admit the wedgies are an improvement and a lot easier to calibrate than the sanding jig. It could save you a lot of work. Thanks for watching. I appreciate the support. Take care, .....Gord

[@RalphVawter]

So Gord, you are saying that the wedgie sled is good enough that now sanding is required? Ralph

[@GordonRock1]

Exactly Ralph! I have not needed to sand any segments since O started using the wedgies and the wedgie sled. The wedgies are not cheap but they were well worth the expense to me!! Take care, .....Gord

[@nitetrane98]

I think the precision involved in the cutting and glue up is what separates the men from the boys in segment projects. Sure, you can epoxy up the cracks etc, but we all know it just aint the same. Very clever work around on the final adjustment, I just wonder what went wrong to need it. Could have been tolerance stack.

[@GordonRock1]

Thanks for watching. I appreciate the feedback.

[@cezargolowniczy5297]

Sr Gord.assistindo este seu vídeo chego a conclusão que a perfeição,com esta sua atividade,já chegou a muito tempo . Mas fico feliz por poder ter tido o previlégio de assistir esta fantástica demonstração de fazer as coisas com o maior rigorísmo para atingir o máximo de qualidade nesta fantástica atividade . Cezar Fernando Golowniczy - São Leopoldo RS - Brasil

[@GordonRock1]

Muito obrigado, Cezar. Eu agradeço as palavras gentis. Cuidar, ..... Gord

[@WhackerJoe]

Gordon, you have presented this construction in a very clear and accurate way. In particular, the fine tuning of the angles, in particular, the final adjustment of the adjuster itself. Very clever. Question: Are those working surfaces you use melamine? I notice you glue directly on it. I assume whatever this surface is does not allow wood glue to stick. I love your postings, keep up the good work and Happy New year!!

[@GordonRock1]

Joe Ritz Hi Joe. Thanks for the kind words. Yes, the surface is melamine. The glue sticks to the surface but scrapes off very easily. Thanks for watching & commenting. Have a very Happy New Year.

[@jerrydreadon9132]

I've watched hours of video on segmented bowl making, but this by far is the most thorough and detailed I've ever seen. What a great instructor!! My only question is what grit sandpaper are you using. Thanks for outstanding videos.

[@GordonRock1]

Thanks for the kind words, Jerry! I can't believe I forgot to mention the grit I use. It is 80 grit and the paper is actually some kind of ceramic paper (if I remember correctly) made for Shopsmith machines. Have a great day!!!

[@GordonRock1]

Gordon Rock Found the link for the ceramic discs: www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/ceramic_psa_sanding_discs.htm

[@adamquincey4371]

Excellent... Cheers...

[@GordonRock1]

Adam Quincey Thank you, Adam! Cheers to you!

[@dirktheeng]

Just a thought... I think that your "occasional inaccuracy" is due to the fact that you made your segment adjuster out of natural wood. Wood expands and contracts across the grain. The angle runs across the grain so as the wood moves, it is like changing the length of one side of a triangle. If just a few pieces of masking tape are enough to throw off the cut angle, then this surely could be the cause. I would probably make your segment adjusters out of baltic ply or better yet, phenolic or something like that which will react completely isometrically to temp or humidity changes.

[@GordonRock1]

21st Century Woodworking It never even occurred to me!! As a woodworker I should have that in mind at all times but the little things sometimes slip my mind. Thanks for the feedback; I will keep that in mind for the future. Thanks for watching & commenting.

[@jamesdesmond9098]

Jim Desmond Gord, great video, thanks! for all the tips. I just got a 12 inch sander and will be making the sanding jig. Would like to know what grit sand paper you were using.

[@GordonRock1]

I'm glad you like it and hope you enjoy the jig! I use 100 grit sandpaper, Jim. Take care, .....Gord

[@bcwalker1]

Great video. What kind of vise was that which you used to hold the long board?

[@GordonRock1]

Hi Billy, That vise is a Zyliss vise. It's a Swiss made vise but I don't think it's in production any longer. There are a few knockoffs available and I believe you can find them on Ebay periodically. I LOVE it. There is hardly a day goes by when I don't use it. I hope you can find one if you want one. Thanks for watching! .....Gord

[@oldcodger]

Great video, am going to build the sled for my 12" sander. Quick question, in use, is the sled moved at all left right? Or is it primarily used in a fixed position.? Thanks.

[@GordonRock1]

Mark, I usually moved it left and right to try to even the wearing of the disc but it could be left in one position and clean the disc as needed. However, I don’t use it anymore for segmented rings as I now use the Wedgie Sled. If you want to know more about that you can find my video called Quicker & Easier Segmented Rings. It’s much easier to use and very accurate. I’m happy that you found the sled interesting and I still use it occasionally for other things. Thanks for watching! Happy turning, .....Gord

[@oldcodger]

@@GordonRock1 Thanks, I use a wedgie sled for most of my cuts, and can get a perfect fit 95% of the time. When I work on large platters, I sometimes have to resort to an Incra miter gauge which although very accurate, can be a bit gappy on a large width and edge length wedge (5" or so). I cleaned these up by hand on a lathe mounted disk, but want a better rig, so here I go!

[@hermsradatus4689]

Hi Gord, I don't know if this will reach you. I just found your 2 part video on segmented rings and watched both. Do you have a video on making the zero clearance jig for your miter saw?

[@GordonRock1]

I don't have a video on making it but I could put one together if you want. However, I suggest you look at a more recent video I did if this is for segmented work. I think it's called Quicker & Easier Segmented Rings or something like that. You should be able to find it on my channel. It's much simpler than using the miter saw and takes all the fine tuning and guesswork out of it. Let me know if I can help further! Thanks for watching! Take care, .....Gord

[@jerrydreadon9132]

Gordon I forgot to mention if you have any magazines left I would like to have one. I want to subscribe to it also.

[@GordonRock1]

Magazines???? Sorry, Jerry, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Could it be someone else you meant to contact?

[@raytaylor1810]

Hello Gord, I have been following your build on the disk sander jig. I bought a delta sander like yours and am trying to make the jig. I took your advice and removed the sandpaper prior to the parallel and 90 adjustments. It seems like the 80 grit is a bit too much for making these small parts. Is that what you use or would a 100 grit be a bit better?

[@GordonRock1]

Hi Ray. I always use 100 grit on my disc sander. I am glad you like the jig but that was quite a few years ago and I have since stopped using it for making the segments. I now use the Wedgie sled that was developed by Jerry Bennett. It is used on the tablesaw and does a much better and easier job. I suggest you do a search on KZbin and you’ll find a lot of videos showing how to use it. I have one out there myself but at the moment I can’t remember what it’s called. If you have a tablesaw I think you will really like that jig. Thanks for watching! Happy turning, …..Gord

[@raytaylor1810]

@@GordonRock1 I use the Wedgie sled too. It sure solves the problem of getting a perfect ring. I am interested in using the disk for feature ring builds. I want to branch out and get more complex feature rings. I can't see any other way to do some of the "Ray Allen" rings without it. Do you have better ways to do those now?

[@GordonRock1]

No, I don’t have a better way to do feature rings. For that the disc sander would be perfect. I hope you enjoy making them. Designing and making feature rings can be a lot of fun although also quite a challenge. Have fun with it!! …..Gord

[@johnvasilovich2801]

Very nice jig Gord .What type of vice is that you are using

[@GordonRock1]

I believe you are referring to my Zyliss vise. I don’t think they make it anymore but there have been a number of copies available. I use it a lot and wouldn’t want to be without it! Stay safe and healthy, John. 😷😷😷🇨🇦🇨🇦 Safe turning, .....Gord

[@johnvasilovich2801]

@@GordonRock1 Thanks for the info. The copies I am sure would be a waste of money, considering where they would most likely come from. Stay safe & healthy as well Gord.

[@dclark069]

I learned a great deal from this, Gord. Thanks so much for sharing. (PS Perhaps you are Canadian; I notice the Robertson screw heads}.

[@GordonRock1]

Wow!!! Very observant. Yes, I am Canadian and like most Canadians really hate Phillips head and Slot head screws. Thanks for making contact.

[@dclark069]

I am Canadian now living in US. Always have to stock up on Robertsons (and certain items of refreshment) when I visit the Motherland.

[@dclark069]

Donald Clark Gord, would you please send me an email to me at [e-mail] so I may contact you directly? I will often have questions that don't pertain directly to the content of your videos that I would appreciate your experienced insight with. Thanks!

[@GordonRock1]

It's on the way, Donald.

[@billy19461]

👍! Great

[@GordonRock1]

Thank you, Billy! 😃😃

[@johnenglish6681]

Gord I have just got into segmented turning . I just purchased a new Delta 12" disc sander. The first unit came damaged in shipping and with 0.020" of Disc wobble. The second unit is OK except the Disc wobble is still at 0.014". What is acceptable Disc wobble?

[@GordonRock1]

I’m sorry, John, but I don’t know what would be considered acceptable. I don’t even know what my sander’s wobble is. I have never checked. If you are new to segmented turning I have a suggestion. Ignore the information in that video as I made it years ago and I no longer use my disc sander for making segments. Check out my more recent video “Quicker and Easier Segmented Rings”. I am now using the wedgie sled invented by Jerry Bennett. It is far superior to the disc sander method. The video is only about 3 minutes long and will direct you to more information. Happy turning, .....Gord

[@johnenglish6681]

@@GordonRock1 I have made one of the wedgie sleds and purchased a set of the wedges. I need the sander for making feature rings. I am going to attempt to make a ring and see if the disc wobble is acceptable. Thanks for the speedy response. I have learned a lot from your videos. John

[@GordonRock1]

I’m happy any time I can help. Thank you very much for watching, John! .....Gord

[@skif16xlten]

Gord. I noticed that you don't use the riving knife in your saw stop table saw. I was wondering why. SKI

[@GordonRock1]

Richard Kowalski Because my wife helped me clean the shop awhile ago and I haven't found it yet. I need to clean it again and will find it when I do. Don't you just love it when someone HELPS you in your shop!!!

[@craigfarnsworth6]

Hard to believe which seg. bowl I have done and free handed seg. that were not quite perfect. Today I just planned another bowl and SAID I need a seg. sander. Thats the next step

[@GordonRock1]

I hope it works for you, Craig. Actually, I don’t use that system any longer. I use a Wedgie sled on my tablesaw now. However, that will work for you if you don’t have a tablesaw and Wedgie sled. I wish you luck with it. Thanks for watching!