Gotenks, A Failure of Discipline - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Majin Boo Arc Part 21!

[@MistareFusion]

As you may or may not know, the powers that be have taken issue with my using Dragon Ball music in the opening. I suppose that's certainly their right. As a result, I have made the difficult choice to replace the opening music in most of The Boo Arc videos with a new, KZbin-friendly piece. I hope you like it. As a compromise, I have retained the original music in a few select Boo Arc videos scattered across the arc. For those who miss the original, follow this link to the opening as I uploaded it in 2020. Thanks so much for your support! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH-9lYmQfMSfmK8

[@shiroamakusa8075]

I think the central failure of this arc just lies in making Babidi, Dabra and Boo just another brawny threat that needs to be stomped flat with more brawn. Just think about it, a wizard, a demon and a genie with weird magical powers would actually be predestined to present a more brainy challenge and that would have actually fit Gohan a lot more as he's supposedly more bent in an intellectual direction anyway. What if their magics made it impossible to defeat them just by punching them really hard or blasting them with ki? I mean, Superman's explicit weakness is that his toughness and strength falters in the face of magic, and one of his persistent enemies is Mxyzptlk, an impish wizard who can bend reality as he sees fit and who can effortlessly tank anything Superman throws at him physicially. So stories involving either force Superman to rely on his smarts more than his powers. But I guess this wouldn't have flown with the "MOAR FAITS! MOAR TRANSFURMASHUNS!! MOAR BATTUL POWA!!!" crowd.

[@Dougurasufilm]

With all the world changing nonsense going on around me, I completely forgot Dragon Ball Dissection December was a thing!! But now I am very happy :D What a great thing to look forward to :D

[@toluwanimipopoola8398]

Honestly, with how far we’re going with. We’ll be done with the Manga Portion of DBD by next year.

[@theradionicrevival8068]

@@toluwanimipopoola8398 makes me kinda sad tbh

[@kuribo04]

hype

[@KKunderscore]

Looks like Christmas has come early for me

[@izukumidoriyaisssss3049]

@@theradionicrevival8068 same. It's the end of an era

[@Kevtrev006]

I'm surprised you didn't have anything to say about Piccolo somehow telepathically communicating with Goten and Trunks through dimensions of time and space. You did mention the potential of a distorted door-opening, but it would've been even more hilarious if the kids heard Piccolo's voice extreeeeeeeeeemely slooooooooooooowlyyyyyyyyy.

[@Jose-se9pu]

Me too, well, I guess he will do it in the next episode.

[@rossbarr-scragg4076]

My thoughts also!

[@nousukas]

I also noticed it last time reading the manga. Maybe telepathy works like sending data thru internet, so it can be heard only after being send to the receiver's head.

[@joelanderson4899]

@@nousukas this is how I rationalized it too

[@kmgyening]

Also the fact that Piccolo didn't attempt to telepathically warn Dende or anyone else that Buu escaped the room. Why didn't THAT happen?

[@TheAzulmagia]

Gotenks is weird. I like his techniques like the Super Ghost Kamikaze; they're pretty fun and inventive. But I found it weird that Goten saw his mother get killed and believes Gohan was killed, Trunks heard his father got killed, and they're both just... dicking around with the murderer. They can't take this a LITTLE seriously?

[@Ronin-errante]

yeah! I thought the same thing... where is all that determination Goten had when they first enter the room? ... some weeks and an uber powerful transformation was enough for them to forget about everything and treat the fight as a game... the worst part is that, even after they left the room and find out that every single person they know was killed by Buu (because of their mistake) ... THEY STILL DON'T TAKE THINGS SERIOUSLY

[@woefulweeb4943]

I think this could have maybe worked if they verbally confirmed they were going to use the dragon balls to bring everyone back. Now we know that they know about it and the time in the chamber could be a good excuse for them calming down and going back to being silly kids. Once they got out and learned that Boo killed everyone they should have gotten serious though

[@PrimeroJinJusuke]

The biggest insulting moment of Toriyama discarding the next generation was when he forced Goku to let them die after making a big deal of trying to save them, which also makes Vegetto getting absorbed pointless.

[@mytyhekiller4]

Yeah it's actually one of the few moments where Toriyama not knowing where he was going ahead of time really damaged the story

[@spartanq7781]

@@mytyhekiller4 One of many times. There I fixed it for you.

[@animefan77]

I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow Uub in the official canon and even Pan in a possible future canon story pass the end of Z to somehow falter, leading to everyone dropping the pretenses- make Goku immortal/eternally young just so they don’t have to worry about anything and be complacent.

[@aozorahaou2643]

@@animefan77 Didn't Toei kinda do that in GTs ending

[@animefan77]

@@aozorahaou2643 GT so far hasn’t been proven as canon within Super….and hopefully it stays that way.

[@HENRYN08]

Gotenks is truly a love-it-or-hate-it kind of character. I love how Gotenks deconstructs the old "Chosen One" and "Idiot Hero" tropes with how he was created specifically to defeat Majin Buu, but because Gotenks is an immature, egotistical fool who's far more concerned with showboating and looking cool and is virtually incapable of taking things seriously even when lives are at stake. Gotenks acts like a child would when he's given a lot of power and a lot of responsibility... he just keeps making the situation worse. And in the end, he fails spectacularly in defeating Majin Boo. And if there's one thing I'll give Super credit for, is that show does NOT sweep Gotenks shenanigans in the Majin Boo arc under the rug. When it comes to picking fighters to represent Universe 7 in the Tournament Of Power, the rest of the main cast unanimously agree that Gotenks can't be trusted or relied upon for something as high-stakes as the Tournament of Power. I personally how much of subversion Gotenks is on the usual characters and plot tropes you'd see in Dragon Ball. At the same time, I can see why some fans can't stand Gotenks for how immature and irritating he acts, especially when you consider how well written and mature Gohan was despite being younger than BOTH Goten and Trunks at the time. Gotenks shows that his particular personality makes him very much not cut out for saving the day and that trying to forcibly create an all-powerful saviour will not always be successful.

[@Blasckk]

I don't think they ever specifically mentioned Gotenks when they were recruiting people for the tournament of power...

[@succubastard1019]

@@Blasckk Exactly: they mentioned that fusion wasn't allowed in the U6 tournament, hence why they preferred others to join. They didn't want Goten and Trunks to participate in the ToP simply because they didn't want children to get hurt, which... Doesn't work in the context of past events and the fact that at that point they should be teens.

[@Thisdude850]

Gotenks is horrible but thats because he is written badly at the most basic point,which is gags should not overstay their welcome,which Gotenks did.

[@aetherkid]

@@succubastard1019 Yep. Goku fought first Piccolo at what, 14?Gohan fought Cell at 11 and Frieza at 6. But Goten and Trunks, who should be 12 and 13 respectively iirc, are too young?

[@mitchfletcher2386]

Someone's been brushing up on their TV Tropes entries!

[@cesarvictoriano8072]

4:39 The difference between Trunks being Vegeta’s kid, and Future Trunks being Vegeta’s kid. FT took his Buu Crisis immediately serious, and here we have Vegeta Jr, wanting to play with his food, and his father’s spine knows how well that worked out for *him.*

[@pn2294]

It’s sad that Vegeta actually taking care of his son makes him worse.

[@najadamu2724]

@@pn2294 We can't exclude Bulma's role in Trunks' upbringing either.

[@neverdiefor3]

@@pn2294 Vegeta did not take care of his son at this point,he just was present,which is what made things worse as he helped the main villain again.

[@Jose-se9pu]

You can tell this Trunks was raised by Vegeta while Future Trunks was raised by Gohan...for all the crap the Boo arc is, Trunks being the way he is makes sense.

[@jamesr6959]

@@pn2294 I don't know if present Trunks is worse in any sense, but he definitely is much happier. Peace allows him to be kind of a jerk, whereas FT was never afforded that and opportunity, and as a result he's serious AF. I un-ironically think GT Trunks is a nice blend of the two, in spite of the choice to intentionally make him more like FT for marketing purposes.

[@marsf6080]

I do think there was an intended morale of sorts on this arc, but also think it likely wasn't intended from the start and only got worked on when Goku returns. The whole arc feels to me to hinge in the idea that the world depending on these superpowered hero fighters with absurd powers and so on who are absolutely misfitting society are in the end causing more trouble than good- the "villains come to Earth because Goku is here" idea but expanded to the whole cast. For all the powerups and fusions everyone will had, the only one who legitimately gets anywhere with "defeating" Buu is Mr. Satan- a strong human but a buffoon and fallible - and he does so by befriending him, not fighting him. Later on Buu defeats everything and kills everyone, and Goku can't even get a Genki Dama going to stop him- until Mr. Satan helps him in asking the world for help. Goku's the vessel, but it's Satan and the people of the world who defeat Buu. And then Buu gets reincarnated as a human to get to live a good life- and he doesn't reincarnate close to the cast but as a random kid in a random place of the world. The whole thing reads to me as "everything's become centred around these characters, and that's not good, these characters are the ones where one will go evil out of petty jealousy, one'll be a buffoon and not fight because he's two kids, etc".

[@Hydrogue]

Imagine if Toriyama had made Buu reincarnate as Gohan and Videl's daughter.

[@succubastard1019]

@@Hydrogue I cna imagine the thought crossing his head, and then immediately going "no, I'd rather not".

[@shiroamakusa8075]

There's but one problem with this, the Saiyans or Frieza Force would have eventually shown up on Earth because it's a valuable commodity they can sell, Goku being there just pushed Earth up in their schedule as Raditz planned to pick him up for another planet cleansing job. So if he wasn't there, Earth would have simply suffered the same fate as all the other worlds seized by the Frieza Force as they clearly knew it existed beforehand.

[@Another_Hibiki]

@@shiroamakusa8075 Without Goku, Dr. Gero would take care od Frieza's army (he would still become a cyborg and create robots/androids, but without creating Cell since there's no Goku), now, how would the world be saved from the androids/cyborgs i don't know. Also, Piccolo Daimaoh vs Red Ribbon/Kame School/Crane School

[@josesosa3337]

I want to add to your comment. I feel like a good way to word it is: "the people who save the world won't always be around and sometimes when it matters most, they wont always make the right decisions. "Sometimes the sheep need to help the sheperd", or something." The earth is quite lucky that go KU and his friends care enough to help.

[@Prime92]

I think the biggest problem with the fights in later DBZ is that the villains can regenerate all the time. It's just tiring to see the bad guy get killed, but oh no he's back. Getting sickening.

[@rjante2236]

Yeah, that always annoyed me. Frieza was just really durable, why not just do that for the main villains? Or make the regeneration actually burn energy, like Cell's.

[@Ronin-errante]

@@rjante2236 but Cell's regeneration feels a little inconstant... when he recover half of his body after Goku's inst. kamehameha, they make seems like he spend a lot of energy to do it, ok... but when Vegeta blowed his arm, he barealy seems fazed by it.. he regenerate his arm like was nothing... he even act like didn't even hurt him, XD ... the worst is his regeneration after the kamikaze explosion... he actually comes back with full healty, like if he had regenarate and healed himself (he even receive a boost in power, supposedly due the zenkai of his saiyan cells... what only happens when they recover from a near death state)

[@jasonone8726]

@@Ronin-errante Yeah, Cell's regeneration never made sense.

[@iananderson4754]

​@Ronin-errante yeah if he had to wait a while to recover from the fatigue and then make a reappearance it would make more sense. But then it would not flow as well narratively. It might have worked if he had teleported back and was forced to steal a senzu bean.

[@EnigmaBarry]

"If Goku can't do it who will." Sounds like a great name for a movie. We'll use it for Movie 13. Can't use it for Movie 12. He teams up with someone in that film.

[@KKunderscore]

Gohan raises a hand, Chichi puts it back down for him.

[@xShinigamiRyukuux]

"...paving the way for Goku and Tenshinhan to step up." *shows Tenshinhan laying facedown on the ground defeated*

[@dwainfrett5385]

Lol I think the fact that he was on the battlefield was still enough of a bone to throw to him I guess

[@anjetto1]

Tien got done the dirtiest out of any db character Yamcha was pretty much a joke from the start. Krillin made some key decisions and did a few key things most of the way through the show. And gets a happy ending with a hot, immortal wife. Piccolo got to have brief shows of power from time to time, until boo but even then he killed babidi. Tien? Wins the tourney with a fluke win. Dies to a minion. Gets brought back to life. Doesnt show up until nappa. Gets killed by nappa. Doesnt show up again until 17. Gets knocked out in 1 hit. Does nothing again until getting 1 hit by boo.

[@DarkSpiderZero]

On a side note, I like to call that position the "Krillin pose" (like how Yamcha has a death pose). Krillin's usually laying on the ground defeated, commenting on the other fighters fighting the villain.

[@samueloak1600]

Tien wasn't killed by no minion until Nappa. In fact he helped Gokū in the battle against Piccolo

[@SuperJS62]

This arc I always found interesting is that Toriyama still tries to keep the "Next Gen" as the overall story. When Gohan fails and Goku is back in the lime light, Goku recruits Uub and that he will be apart of the next generation of fighters to take over.

[@nicholassims9837]

The part where you talk about Goten and Trunks standing in front of a slowly opening door. Makes me wish TeamFourStar did do the Buu arc . Imagine them doing it like this Goten and Trunks standing and door opening " 3 weeks later " Still waiting on open door " Many months later " Door opening and still waiting " So much later that the old narrator got tired and they have to hire a new one "

[@Humorless_Wokescold]

"Dende, you're useless." Oh boy is he. One of the (possibly unintended) themes of the Buu Arc is that the next generous is fucking worthless in every way. Sure, Dende's predecessor was negiligent in the extreme, but used his powers to help and even attempted indirect suicide to deal with a danger he felt guilty about. Dende doesn't do anything, ever, and could just as easily have been replaced with a piece of shrubbery in some robes and nothing about the plot would have changed.

[@asherzerbib3461]

I’ll admit that as a god he’s worthless, but at least he got some funny chemistry with Mr. Satan in the anime after the absorptions begin. Those were some of the first episodes I saw when I seriously began following DB.

[@tintor2]

Wait a second! A story about the next generation that is pushed aside at the last minute for Goku to show off?! This is completely Wrath of the Dragon (or whatever is its Japanese title). The film heavily focused on Trunks' relationship and with Tapion and even Gohan realized how to defeat the villain early on. However, out of nowhere in the last act Goku goes "Stop Trunks! I'm the one who is supposed to finish the monster! Yeah, Gohan! I also know it weakness!" That had to be most in your face act of shoving us Goku as "Saiyan Jesus show off".

[@kevinfromsales9445]

I've always felt the best DBZ movies are the first 5 or 6 along with Bardock and Future Trunks, in short, the ones were Goku doesn't save the day all by himself and where he isn't too relevant to the story.

[@EnigmaBarry]

Lance actually said "If Goku can't do it, who will?" as a little in-joke.

[@MannyBoy96]

I swear every single DBZ movie has their version of either the current villain, the current story themes, or both.

[@EnigmaBarry]

@@MannyBoy96 I think this was basically the reason for the movies. 1) Tell/re-tell an arc with higher animation 2) Tell/re-tell an arc in 45 minutes as the DBZ movies are easier to collect than every episode of their respective arc. Buy "Cooler's Revenge" and you pretty much have The late Frieza Arc. Otherwise, good luck tracking down VHS's for every episode.

[@SBoundless]

I like Goku’s character but his forced plot relevance grows stale very quickly.

[@edward18517]

Them just dropping the "next generation taking over" bit was always the most aggravating thing about this saga. Everything about it is leading up to that and it just gets stamped out to have Goku be the hero again when his story's already been concluded. Like what, is he just supposed to never die then? Gohan should've obviously become the continuing main protagonist but instead, for some reason, Toriyama just writes him to fail like everyone else

[@Ouaddit]

Totally agree about the "new generation" The worst thing is Gohan becomes the most powerful AND badass character in the whole manga just for one chapter... Then Goku takes over again.

[@PathBeyondTheDark]

It's unearned power that completely disregards everything about the character and how his strength worked throughout the series.

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@PathBeyondTheDark I mean its not like Toriyama cared about that when he did the same for Goku back in the Piccolo arc.

[@Ouaddit]

@@PathBeyondTheDark I don't think it completely disregards how his strenght works, it's just a different way to gain power that don't have anything to do with his sayan legacy, it's a magic thing. Plus, it doesn't cancel the fact that Mirai Gohan is AMAZING. Seriously, the art here is one the best in the whole series, i mean look at his jaw !! Gohan doesn't get much credit from that and it's a shame. But I agree, the way he acquires his new powers is a lazy and particularly unfun way. There was so much possibilities for Gohan to develop his level while exploring more about the Kaïoshin's lore. Like, he could have lift the Z sword and by doing so, teleport himself 10 000 years in the past, Zelda Ocarina of Time style. There, he'd have learn to use God Ki Powers with the elders Kaïoshins, we'd have witness the first war between Bibidi and Buu against the Gods... Yeah, i write fan fictions.

[@EmeralBookwise]

TFS really said it best... _"Gohan's the strongest in the universe, but still doesn't do crap!"_

[@vazak11]

I'm in a weird spot with this cos I legitimately don't like Gohan or him being super OP, so while Goku taking over irks me, Gohan being the center of attention bugs me more.

[@kinggoldark3853]

As for your point regarding God’s training and Goku’s mercifulness - there is a line in the animated version where Mr. Popo admonishes Goku that his “thirst for blood” is keeping him from stilling his mind. It’s not followed-up, but fans can plausibly draw a line from that to Goku sparing his opponents afterward.

[@natyfop]

Hyped for DBD December! It's really sad all the missed potential of the Boo arc. The "next generation" storyline could have been awesome, specially if it had those "misteps" in the middle leading to satisfying turnabout at the end. But, as you said, Vegeta is the only character that ends up building from his failures. Poor Gohan. Poor Goten. Poor Trunks. And poor Videl, who never even had a chance to participate in any way. Even Mr Satan will have his part in the final battle!

[@Kisaru1000]

Honestly, the idea of "the new generation can't handle the situation because the old generation failed to prepare them" would honestly be a pretty fitting theme if fleshed out. You already mentioned before how Goku choosing to leave it to the next generation feels off when he (and Vegeta) are basically responsible for Buu's revival. And if it had been an intended theme, it would've been neat to see someone actually call out Goku and Vegeta, how they are responsible for Buu's' revival, how they woefully prepared any of the next generation to deal with their problem, leading to the worst case scenario, and ultimately it comes down to Goku and Vegeta learning from their mistakes and fixing the situation that they themselves created. Like, the fact that it is ultimately their fault, and it is the two of them (plus Mr. Satan) that defeat Buu in the actual story already makes it not too hard of a leap. Just needed a bit more prevalence, and a beginning to the arc that isn't wildly different from any of that.

[@starone1]

This does kinda happen right before the final battle with Kid Buu when Goku admits that he could have defeated Fat Buu as a Super Saiyan 3 earlier (some question if this is actually true, but that's tangential to my point) but didn't because he wanted to leave something for the kids to do. I've always interpreted that as him all but directly saying that decision was a mistake (in a way Toriyama failed to have him do at the end of the Cell arc, where he had Goku admit to stuff that doesn't hold up as stuff he's responsible for- instead of the actual mistakes he made that arc (IE, letting Dr.Gero go)). I suspect that's the "one exception" Fusion was hinting at when he said the arc otherwise doesn't carry that idea through: Goku all but directly admits that it was a mistake to leave the fate of the world in the hands of kids who clearly weren't ready for it, prompting him to take on the reborn Buu, Uub, as a student he can mold into a fighter that will better fill that role (though with the ulterior motive of getting a great fight out of him in the process).

[@nabbit5574]

But that's what literally happened tho

[@VegettoBlack]

"Gotenks is what calvin and hobbs would be if it was japanese" hahaha that is the best characterization of gotenks ice ever heard

[@BagOfMagicFood]

And hey, Calvin and Hobbes ran for about the same ten years as Dragon Ball! Contemporaries!

[@randomfox12245]

I always figured that as soon as the door knob is pulled, the time dilation stops and everything is normal inside and outside the chamber. I mean imagine if you went in but left the door open behind you or something. And when they first started using it in the Cell saga the framing of Popo closing the door behind them seems to imply that the 24 hours starts the second the door clicks closed. So it just always made sense to me that once Piccolo turned the door knob, time syncs up. Like he broke the air tight seal of time compression or something lol.

[@iananderson4754]

Keep the door closed your letting out the AC. What are you trying to do,dilate the time of the entire neighborhood? Do you know how much AC costs? (Anti Chronotons) -Popo

[@ALocalClown]

Its gotten to the point now where when Lance says "We've come to Dragon Ball Dissection December" I actually feel a sinking feeling in my gut. Like, WHAT?? ALREADY?? WHERE DID THE YEAR GO??

[@sonicmariogaming2222]

Once again this entire fight is honestly a breath of fresh air and a nice break from all the nonstop ki blasts and explosions. Especially with how Gotenks so brutally yet hilariously makes Super Buu his bitch. Honestly with how Super Buu acts, this fight could have turned into just a massive prank war between them, that would’ve been amazing.

[@Jahjaga]

After coming upon this video randomly a few days ago, I went back and watched every single episode of DB Dissection in a row. There’s a lot I could say, but, as a pedantic person, myself, I’m stunned at the dedication and attention to detail of this series. This is the most comprehensive review of the DB manga ever (to say nothing of your coverage of the anime series and movies). Seriously, great work and thank you for sharing it.

[@Skywardflare758]

Especially considering the extended school part in the anime, this arc was so close to actually passing the torch. The superhero stuff was a fun change of pace, as were some of the new character antics and Buu. Having a protagonist that is way more booksmart trying to fit in before inevitably dragging a new cast into the DB world and actually exploring what a normal person’s perspective of the world (both pre and post revelation) was great. Buu was a super fun villain, seeing others give into evil (both through Babidi and like the pair that shot Buu’s dog, especially considering the superhero angle at the start), and Mr Satan using his charisma to help inspire others and reform Buu could’ve made for easily one of the best arcs. But instead we got the waiting for Goku show and all of it was thrown out the window. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more it irks me. The waste of Gohan and Videl also pissed me off, but now thinking about Babidi and the superhero angle, it’s so much worse. There was a character that offered power by bringing out the evil in someone, power that was enough to outdo any non Dragon Team person on the planet, alongside three different inspirational figures, one of which is named Mr Satan. Gohan could’ve played mentor towards Videl, Goten, and Trunks, while Vegeta, Babidi, and Mr Satan (at the start) acted as negative influences, with the focus switched more to inspiring the next generation and leading them towards good. There was still room for major fights (Buu and Majin Vegeta), but the danger would also come not only from dealing with Babidi’s plots (which would also allow Gowan’s supposed smarts to show), but from trying to maintain a positive image to inspire others. And heck, at the end, it could’ve led to the crew having a positive enough impact on the world that Gohan can publish the secrets of ki (one of my favorite aspects of the old Dragon Ball EU).

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Yeah

[@Jose-se9pu]

Toriyama was completely done with Dragon Ball after Cell, but you can tell if he had any interest in continuing the story, it was with Gohan, and a whole new and younger cast...sadly, fans didnt like that, so he changed courses mid-way... I always found it fascinating how the anime kept the We Gotta Power opening for all the arc when Gohan and his supporting cast dissapear from the story just a few episodes in.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

@@Jose-se9pu DBD addresses this in earlier parts of the arc but it isn't due ti fan backlash why Toriyama changed course. Long story short, he just... Kinda tried something new and spontaneously decided to go back to the previous formula, probably due to it just being what he was used to. He did seem really excited to shift to Gohan at first but Mistare even breaks down the dates between chapters on how fan backlash wouldn't even have had time to reach the man if there happened to be any from when the arc started to where it just went back to Goku and the gang in focus.

[@starone1]

@@Jose-se9pu The "fan backlash forced Toriyama to shaft Gohan for Goku" thing is just a rumor (one likely made by American fans that didn't like how the Buu arc turned out). And as previously stated, it's a rumor that the facts don't bear out.

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@starone1: It's blame shifting is what it is. There are certain kinds of fans that get so overly invested in any media property that they want to put the creators up on pedestals, forcing them to come up with excuses for any perceived short comings... blaming other fans for being the wrong kind of fan and making demands that ruin the otherwise pure intentions of the author is pretty much as old as the entire concept of fandom.

[@HiperPivociarz]

I'd argue Broly's story is also told through the fight. Outside of great character moments like Frieza shooting Paragus which leads to Broly's transformation, and Goku using his new move to try to calm Broly, because he understands he's not a bad person, showing maturity that he's been missing in Super, the whole fight is a battle between Goku and Vegeta who want to save the Earth from Broly, and are willing to kill in order to do that, and Cheelai and Lemo who are trying to save Broly from Goku and Vegeta, and himself. Broly kind of becomes a rage filled monster again once he transforms, but that's still storytelling and character building - the reason he becomes a roaring monster is because he was never actually thought how to express himself, and the only person he ever loved also abused him. He's been bottling up so much sadness all his life, and now it's finally found an outlet. Like, the snarling monster stuff adds to his personality, not take away from it.

[@joaocalixto1686]

Also there’s the subplot of Broly learning how to fight as the battle progresses. Like how he only uses ki blasts after he sees Vegeta using them

[@HiperPivociarz]

@@joaocalixto1686 I also love the absolute fucking defeat on Paragus' face when he sees the super saiyan, only for Goku and Vegeta to threat it like it's fucking nothing and become gods right before his eyes. And he's genuinely scared for Broly's life, and we are too, cause Goku thinks Broly's chill, but Vegeta sees him as another Friea cronie and would probably just fucking kill him if he decided he feels like it.

[@MaxIronsThird]

nah, that shit was tiring as fuck.

[@a.liguria2698]

Nah... There is too much assuming here, for a guy who was a character for few minutes of his total screentime.

[@woefulweeb4943]

I think there should have at least a break in the fight so it all didn’t blend together. Maybe Freeza takes the Dragon Balls on the ship and flies off world all the while Broly sitting with his friends unable to calm himself down as we see the madness King Vegeta said would manifest

[@TomberryPlays]

Like I commented before on another video. DBD made me realize a lot of character development and themes I thought were in DB as a kid really are the audience connecting dots that aren't really there. I find it fascinating that besides disagreements like "is Goku a hero or a selfish idiot" a lot of people saw the same dots. Science should get on that some time.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Yeah it makes me both like Dragonball less and more lol

[@animefan77]

10:30- with him spontaneously making food out of nowhere- unless he picked it up from the entrance- more baffling as to why he freaked out in being in a space without food.

[@cjsher90]

I can explain why Goku stopped caring as much about killing!(I think) it would appear that the longer Goku spends time dead or hanging out in the other world, Goku loses some grasp on what reality means for others. This would explain his gross absence in F Trunks timeline.

[@TotallyRadicalShow]

Woah, the idea that DBcember could lead to you wrapping up the Buu arc by the end of the year is wild. I’m expecting things to go just a bit over into next year considering there’s still quite a few big topics to talk about but still, kinda crazy to think how far things have come.

[@ThelronFjord]

13:22 I also like how one of the names that Gotenks uses for his attacks is called "Dynamite Kick", like he had to steal a name from Mr. Satan's repertoire of advanced fighting techniques.

[@CutMan567]

Very glad that you enjoy this fight as I feel like even the eventual blue balling of Gohan does not compare to the missed potential of Gotenks being the savior. You don't talk about it here, but even Super Saiyan 3 feels like such a better fit for Gotenks than Goku. Even as a kid, I just felt annoyed that they were trying at all with Gohan after he had his time to shine ("shine") with Cell Anyway yeah, the Grom episode of The Owl House IS excellent

[@AntonioCardenasT]

I thought the merciful thing from Goku just came from him no longer being a child and fully understanding the consequences of death. That's why he still kills but tries not to.

[@cuac232]

Concluding the Buu arc in 4 videos (because movie 12 takes a slot)? I doubt it. I can see at least 5 at minimum. "The failure of 'Ultimate' Gohan" "The new generation can't handle shit" "Vegito, an empty made-for-merchandising character" "The humbling of Vegeta" "Dragon Ball manga finale" And that's not even taking into account 30 minute tangent videos! Love your stuff as always.

[@crystalfire7x]

I personally believe that he will end it by early 2022. Plus Movie 12 is part of DBD December. So here goes: Part 22: "The Creativity of Gotenks and Boo" Part 23: "Gohan. The Failed One." Part 24: "Everything Wrong With Vegetto." Part 25: "The Wacking of Majin Boo and More Gods." Part 26: "The Belated Redemption of Vegeta". Part 27: "The Heroism of Mister Satan" Part 28: "The Forceful Ending". And then the Anime Version of the Boo Arc and Movie 13.

[@dwainfrett5385]

I like the idea of Gotenks being a self aware parody of what dragon ball had become but I like the idea more than watching it. It felt like a troll move. And then compound that with what happened to Gohan which was played straight somehow made it feel like a bigger waste of time.

[@Plasma_Fuse]

If the whole morale actually was intended to be the next generation sucks for being way too arrogant (which it clearly wasn't, but it's a pretty cool comparison to make to what Roshi was teaching Goku and Krillin), it's even more hilarious that by the end of all this Goku goes to train Uub because all the other candidates for the next generation completely blew it.

[@ItsNumber84]

Forget the opening of the door, why was Piccolo's voice transmitted to them at normal speed? It should have been an incomprehensible noise that gradually changed over a period of hours, if not days. Lmao

[@gavinlucas9761]

I absolutely love the fight of Gotenks against Majin Boo and it’s also among my favorite fights in this entire arc. All for the same reasons that are stated in this video. And I really love the many special moves that Gotenks displays as they remind me a lot of early dragon ball. Can’t wait to see what the next videos will be like.

[@DidgeridudeEX]

The failure to deliver on the next generation hype is by far the Boo Arc's greatest issue.

[@kingp260]

To be fair, Dragon Ball never passed its responsibilities on to the next generation. Even at the very end of the timeline, Goku is still around as a weird Dragon Ghost to help out.

[@Godzilla00X]

Guess Trunks got the screw people over gene from Vegeta

[@TylerCharlesFisher]

"Try to forget you're half-Vegeta, and don't f**k it up."

[@ThelronFjord]

20:34 Oh hey, I was wrong about that one panel from the last couple episodes being Chaozu's last appearance in the manga!

[@spartanq7781]

Goddamn 21 parts and we're just getting to Boo tennis. Then again from here on out the ark will fly by just in time for Dragon Ball dissection December.

[@crystalfire7x]

*sigh* 3rd story arc in a row with Villain Tennis....look forward to see how it's gonna get roasted for good...

[@spartanq7781]

@@crystalfire7x Gohan gets the worst of it. Poor poor Gohan gets blue balled even harder than Piccolo in the last two arcs. At least in Piccolo's case he wasn't ever presented as the savior to swoop in and save the day. It's also worse because it makes Goku's passing the torch to Gohan in the last arc retroactively wrong.

[@shenanigans8353]

Yeah I was thinking averaging 7 chapters a part for the roughly remaining 28 with the remaining dbdecember video for movie 12 as he said, it is actually quite teasible he might finish the arc

[@crystalfire7x]

@@spartanq7781 not just blue balled. He simply becomes the new poor dolt that he will become for the rest of the franchise....as for the rest I cannot wait for the Bejitto roasting one. I am sure it will be fun to see.

[@neverdiefor3]

@@spartanq7781 Piccolo's case was not as bad as Gohan because of 2 reasons.1)He saved Goku during the Freeza arc 2)His actions advance the plot Gohan does not do either,just like Gotenks is padding.

[@Fanatic_Foremem]

I much more headcanon that DYING is what got goku to adopt mercy. He kept Majunior alive for Kamis sake, but after coming back to life, he was not as willing to let another person experience the same fate. With Yakkon it was more of a "whoops" in this interpretation, and probably not something goku would consider a direct fault of his own, it was yakkons gluttony that opened him for death, and goku doesn't seem like the sort that can imagine EATING as something even inherently dangerous.

[@brandonlyon730]

In Trunk’s timeline Goku was still the one to have killed Frieza and his dad when they came to earth. Trunks just got ahead of him in the new timeline.

[@Fanatic_Foremem]

@@brandonlyon730 we know little about that encounter, goku could have "Killed him" to the same extent that he "killed" the ginyu force, and even beyond that, frieza at that point would have proved that gokus mercy for him wouldn't change anything, so it would have become an exception. Besides, I'm discussing what would have caused him to lean to mercy and that would be after most instances of his mercy.

[@Celerott]

I do agree that making Dende God was a bad idea, but that's only the case because there's no build to it, and it comes comepletely out of nowhere. Had Toriyama built to this, it could've made sense, and felt earned. After the events on Namek, during the time the Namekians are on Earth, have Moori and Dende meet Kame, and Dende express a desire to one day take over for Moori when it's his time to pass on, then have Kame ask Dende to be his apprentice, to one day take his place, when it's either his time to pass on, or if a threat comes along that's so great that he must reunite with Piccolo. Then Dende is forced into that position in the Cell arc when Kame must do exactly that. Sure it's not perfect, but to me it feels earned and there's at least some setup for it. But that's just me.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Goten, Trunks and Gotenks were my favorite characters as a kid. Purely because I was a kid lol. Still like them, but man looking back and even now they're just kinda nothing burgers. I wanna see that get remedied but I doubt it'll happen

[@bladeofbattosai]

10:30 Plankton: WAIT! I COMMAND YOU TO MAKE ME A KRABBY PATTY!!" SpongeBob robot: I don't wanna. [drinks can of oil while reading a comic]

[@ThelronFjord]

Gohan may not have gotten to be the hero guy in this arc, but he did get two pretty decent consolation prizes: Being the strongest unfused character in the universe (for now), and Videl.

[@shahzebhasan9995]

In terms of the defences, the Manga makes a surprisingly big deal about Dende giving the heroes permission to stay on the lookout. Presumably, if he said no, no rocket ships could get there (Buu is just too overpowered for Dende I guess). Not a great explanation, but the only one I can think of (this is head canon ofc).

[@PrinceVegita1]

Nice to see some appreciation for Gotenks. His fight with Buu is one of my favorites, too. It's really fun.

[@mielthesquid6536]

The door opening comment is interesting, on my side I always thought the spell of the room would stop each time the door is open. This is why there is a door. So when the door opens the time chamber slowdown doesn't apply anymore until it closes again.

[@canmattfield]

Man I should be excited about the Christmas Season... but every year I spend it watching Dragonball Dissection December!

[@LiamAnthony_]

You mention the door, but I'm wondering how does a telepathic conversation even work between Piccolo and Goten & Trunks, since Piccolo is outside the chamber, the time different could be one second outside to six and a half minutes inside. Is it just, like, really slowly spoken?

[@MaxIronsThird]

I think he just delivered the message(an idea), it's not as if he's talking.

[@xShinigamiRyukuux]

I always wondered that when I was a kid. My headcanon was that he spoke really, really fast.

[@mariobermudez1228]

Great way to wake up; A cup of coconut coffee, a pumpkin spice donut, and a new Mistare Fusion video.

[@therealhardrock]

8:05 A traditional US DBZ fan watches the anime to see all the flashy fighting and only sees the story as context for why the fighting exists. That would explain why it was a tough sell for Funimation to have entire episodes with nothing but story development. That's why the first 67 episodes were condensed to 53. Seriously, look at the old Ocean dub and notice that there aren't any episodes where someone isn't showing off super strength, doing those fast dodges where they disappear and reappear, or shooting energy and blowing things up. Since you've been doing Super Sentai vs Power Rangers recently, have you noticed that MMPR seems to just be wanting to entertain kids with intense action underscored by loud rock music while Super Sentai actually wants to tell an engaging story? Remember also that Funimation used to have a partnership with Saban.

[@MistareFusion]

While it's certainly possible FUNimation cut down the early episodes to remove the so-called "boring stuff" I'd always found it more logical to believe it was done to align with broadcast standards. A typical season of US television at the time was 26 episodes. They really didn't want their first foray to end in the middle of nowhere, or, literally, the middle of the big fight everything was leading up to. I'm sure some of those resultant cuts were made due to what they thought U.S. kids would respond to, no question. I do think you're being a bit reductive in saying there are no episodes that are anything but crazy powers. You're probably technically correct that there is no episode where there isn't at least one outlandish thing, but they're certainly not always any kind of significant focus. Remember that this was how I was introduced to DBZ in the first place. "Gohan Makes a Friend" was one of the early episodes that made an impression on me as a kid, and it's mostly Gohan collecting berries, patching up his wounds, and ineffectually flailing his sword around, mixed with a lighthearted Yamcha baseball scuffle. The only overtly super-powered things that happen is Gohan jumping out of a tree, followed by a gag of him hurting his fist by punching a rock. The main thrust in that episode is the story: Gohan's character development from helpless to self-sufficient and his feelings of loss in the face of being unable to save his new friend. It's the same thing with "Escape from Piccolo," which was another one of my favorite episodes as a kid. There is a moment where Gohan makes a big jump, another where he slices handcuffs with his sword, and one moment where the guest star punches someone once. Other than that, it's about orphaned kids, guilt, and pyrrhic victories. Episodes like "Home for Infinite Losers" and "A Fight Against Gravity... Catch Bubbles!" were far more about the fun factor. Overall, I think there was a great variety of episodes in The Saiyan Arc, even accounting for the nine episodes' worth that was removed. It made the fight at the end feel earned, something to look forward to, rather than the only thing Dragon Ball's good at doing.

[@therealhardrock]

@@MistareFusion A New Goal... Namek was the one of the only episodes that had no action at all, just talking and exposition, and it used footage from 3 different uncut episodes. They also wanted to have recaps and previews with footage that would fit their narrator dramatically going "Last time, on Dragon Ball Z..." or "Next time on DRAGOOOOON BAAAAAALLLLL ZEEEEEEE!" The American/Canadian narrators talk like they're promoting a monster truck show as opposed to the kindly old grandfather telling his grandkids a bedtime story. There's also the difference of when the Funimation dub took over, the episodes had that upbeat techno theme that ended with a loud rock crescendo when the title card appeared. That kind of feels out of place with "Last time on Dragon Ball Z...Gohan beat up some robbers and went to High School," or "Last time on Dragon Ball Z...Goku and Gohan came out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and went fishing."

[@alimowla3204]

16:40 "if goku can't do it, no one can." but we're not at that movie yet.

[@Chris-th5fl]

I know this is not what akira intended but I do like that goku is the one to come back to defeat buu. the original dragonball is about the pass of the torch of the new generation to take over and be better but what i can take from this arc is just because something is fresh and new, does not mean its better. like people or productions, some new things can turn into crap and forget what made the old so special. having Goku come back shows the new generation that some of the past isn't so bad and they can strive to do better to honor them but still doing their own thing. I do wish the new generation did learn that lesson but sadly it did not.

[@TheGreatDanish]

MY MAN, thank you for expressing the "filling gaps in theme" thing. Its a fucking annoying trend that people will latch onto someone's fanfiction and call it canon! I think Goku becoming more merciful because of his training with Kami is *really* good fanfiction but you are 100% right. It is fanfiction.

[@blakebakedacake4618]

is this the first time a dbd has come out so close to december? it’s like we’re getting an extra video lol

[@Serious_Face]

This was a great birthday gift, thank you very much

[@MistareFusion]

Happy birthday!

[@Serious_Face]

@@MistareFusion thank you... again

[@ZeBenko]

0:48 I really was not expecting that... I don't know, man, but this made me laugh so hard for so long! XD Lots of love, Lance. :p

[@DarkSpiderZero]

I'm excited for Dissection December. No joke, it's been one of my favorite parts of the holiday season for the past several years now.

[@TheMetallingOne]

thank you! im not alone in thinking that the fighting in the second half of the Broly movie got boring fast

[@peffiSC2source]

Wohoo! Happy Dragon Ball Dissection December!

[@itshimwinston670]

13:09 Thats actually a very solid comparison and very nostalgic shoutout! I would read a “CalvinBall” manga any day lol

[@OtakuRefusado]

The message of the story is: "The next generation doesn't work as characters that can do whatever is needed for the plot to progress".

[@Dexuz]

Ah yes, the power of God, the one who is of a lower rank than this other God who is weaker than Nappa.

[@egebamyasi2929]

Great video on what is my 2nd fav fight. Gotenks is just so full of charm and Buu is the perfect opponent for his shenanigans (maybe Mr. Satan too). And DBDDDD let's goooo!

[@ThelronFjord]

11:49, on the contrary Vegeta being a brooding jackass who eventually gets his comeuppance is one of the most charming things about him in this part of the story.

[@gazeboist4535]

Oh boy, it's almost Dragon Ball Desection Dicember! I've been saving this joke for more than a year!

[@starone1]

Toriyama did the right thing playing Gotenks vs. Buu for comedy. If you're going to do the red herring thing again, at least have fun with it this time. He should have gone all the way and played Ultimate Gohan vs. Buu for comedy too, especially since he gave Gohan that power up through a gag anyway (Imagine the comedy potential had Gohan decided to fight Buu as Great Saiyaman instead of cosplaying as his father). Like Fusion said in an earlier video, the Buu arc is at its best when it's humorously subverting or lampooning Dragon Ball.

[@manjiimortal]

This fight is delightfully funny, and one that sticks in the mind, so it was nice seeing you having that same opinion. I think Toriyama genuinely wanted to go forward with the New Generation narrative here, but moving from the established hero, Goku, likely led to Shonen Jump readers writing some complaints about it, probably not many, but enough that Toriyama's editors forced him into changing gears, which certainly explains why Toriyama spent half a dozen chapters establishing a new status-quo for Gohan, but then he brings back the world tournament scenario, as an excuse to bring Goku back into the story.

[@Athesies]

Man after following this series for so long it kinda makes me sad knowing the buu saga will be about over by the end of this December. Its been an awesome time.

[@ZipplyZane]

Yeah, the Gohan one is what frustrated me the most as a kid watching the anime, even though I liked Buu arc as a whole (thanks to Buu himself). They set up this cool way he could be so powerful even without SSJ, and then it didn't matter. I would have preferred it if sometimes these "red herrings" instead were portrayed as having accomplished something, but not solved the problem. Have it work lik how Vegito (or was it Gogita?) worked, where even the loss accomplishes something.

[@jamesr6959]

That yellow lined-paper fills me with joy when I see a new video, and usually despair when one ends... I forgot about DBD December! ;-; Of all the head-canon theories that kind of "stick" I had never considered that parallel between Goku and Krillin vs Goten and Trunks. I've compared the pairings and how the differences in their upbringing had changed who they are, but never had never viewed that through the lens of Muten Roshi's training and the latter pair's lack of discipline.

[@ShinobiPXO]

I always have liked this fight. The effective use of gags, weird techniques and the way it doesn't take itself that seriously feels like it was designed to be a callback to the earlier Dragon Ball era. This also another point in Buu's favour. You couldn't do this kind of fight with Freeza or Cell, but Buu just makes it work so well. I also loved the dynamic between Gotenks and Piccolo throughout the whole affair. Gotenks is a complete idiot who their last hope and Piccolo has to try and keep him focused on the task at hand with mixed results. Piccolo actual feels like a genuine participant in this battle despite not fighting. For once, he's not just standing there being useless. He's trying to control the outcome of the fight by subtly directing the two morons who are battling. E.g when he leads Buu into the Time Chamber, he's setting a clever trap in case things go wrong. It's a really cool dynamic that sadly we are unlikely to ever see in DB again.

[@Thisdude850]

Mate Piccolo is just reacting to them being idiots,he is not controlling anything,this fight full of gags comes after Buu murdered Goten's mother in front of him,Toriyama cannot even place humour properly.

[@ShinobiPXO]

@@Thisdude850 You noticed the part where I said "mixed results" right? He's not controlling them but he's obviously trying to direct in their favour, either by struggling to keep Gotenks or when he was trying to stall Buu. Piccolo is still doing far more than anyone else despite lacking the strength to fight himself. He less than a combatant but more than an observer. What has he ever done since aside from stand around with everybody else?

[@Thisdude850]

@@ShinobiPXO Gotenks wanted to fight Buu as well so he does not even direct them,Gotenks does whate he wants and does not care about Piccolo just like the plot does not care about him,the most relevant thing Piccolo does is blow up the door and that fails. Piccolo staying around for comedy does not make him any more usefull than the other background characters.

[@ShinobiPXO]

@@Thisdude850 No, Gotenks wanted to make an ass of himself. The only adult supervision he has is Piccolo and that dynamic plays out through this fight, sometimes for comedy and sometimes for the plot. Like when he has to warn Gotenks not to destroy in earth in case they destroy the dragon balls. How well do you think Gotenks would have done if Piccolo were not around? And remember that Buu later decides to absorb Piccolo and Gotenks together, because it was pretty obvious to anyone that Piccolo was the brains of the operation, at least relative to Gotenks

[@Thisdude850]

@@ShinobiPXO What Gotenks would have done?The same things he always did?He does not care about Piccolo's opinion,his actions make that clear.

[@ilgjoca]

(Sorry for the long ass comment didn't expect it when I started) Great video as always Lance. The topic of today's video is really fascinating because it's probably the biggest reason why this arc is often considered the worst arc in the franchise( I still maintain the worst arc is the Cell Arc but I digress). I actually agree with most of you said about Gotenks. He is a gem of character and despite being regarded as the Savior I am not bothered at all with him not defeating the bad guy since he was never made for that role (Neither was Vegeta for that matter but US fans really want him to get the "win ". Unfortunately DB fans don't know how to read )because he and the parts who make him are so different from the generation we grew up and,case we remember, Goten and Trunks found lame as hell especially when they looked at Goku which is why Gohan would have been perfect as the hero since he represents the link between the old and the new generations . The problem comes with the fact that toriyama just doesn't know how to write the hero character anymore. The shtick of goku coming at the last moment to say the day was overplayed since freeza but since it was goku toriyama felt comfortable enough to keep it going. So when Gohan is in that position even he notices how jarring this is his, so he panics and goes in the most roundabout way possible to put himself in the comfort zone, IE goku saves the day. It's too bad because despite everything I like what he does with Goku and Vegeta at the end much more than what he did with the heroes in the Cell arc but it's undeniable that this choice cements the role of goten trunks and Gohan forever, especially in modern DB, as just fodder and that really sucks, for me it's the worst thing this arc leaves behind. PS Damn you that Gohan joke got me too much ok take care bye bye

[@flaco3462]

20:42 this is the funniest moment in the video for me the balloon fizzling sound effect and EH WHO CARES.

[@Moromom22]

Great video. You summed up how I feel with prolonged action in any series.

[@hwate8]

3:12 I understand that Buu would likely kill the heroes before they could be wished out, or they'd just starve to death, but _couldn't_ they just wish the heroes back out of the Room of Spirit and Time's boundaries and back into their own dimension, _if_ the Dragon Balls recharged before they died? Buu and later Gotenks get out similarly, it doesn't seem like the Dragon Balls are unable to do that. And if they can, seems like the priority should have been instead to figure out how to trap Buu there *to begin with,* _before_ pissing about with Fusion.

[@dtay8913]

I was literally just thinking about your review of broly second coming while playing db legends 😆

[@cyberninjazero5659]

16:40 Goku "If I Don't Who Will?!" Dragon Fist, Goku's only original move and it sums up the franchise succinctly

[@Jose-se9pu]

I think the Temple's "defenses" only work to prevent people from using artificial means to get there, if you can fly by your own...you are worthy of reaching the temple. Btw, I never noticed how Dende was a teenager and using Kami's "gi" just for one panel, lol. Anyway, the Boo arc already showed all the red flags, but here...here is when shit hit the fan. Also, I dont think any of this was intentional, fans just kept demanding for Goku (and then Vegeta) to come back and save the day, so, considering he already had more money than he could spend on a lifetime, and has been tired of Dragon Ball for years now, Toriyama just nodded and gave them what they wanted...problem is, while Gotenks (I also liked this fight, its self-aware, its making fun at how dumb these fights, characters, and power levels had become by this point) turning into a joke kinda worked, what they did with Gohan...oh, boy.

[@Tokumastu1]

Spot on analysis as always. It's such a shame that this is the point where the Buu arc looses steam.

[@rjante2236]

The start was really promising. Buu was definitely unexpected in terms of his characterization, but then as soon as he gets absorbed by Evil Buu, he just becomes boring. I noticed that the more people he absorbs, the more boring he is. Kid Buu was the right way to do an evil Buu, that should have been his second and final form, with none of the absorptions.

[@talesfromthenuzlocke1619]

I’m imagining the Temple’s defenses would have been stuff like golems that shoot energy or cannons or something, kinda like Palutena’s Temple from Kid Icarus: Uprising. And on the one hand, it would just be a fight of Boo curb-stomping everyone. But like you said that detail would have been better served if it had any narrative function.

[@SuperMerlin100]

I could be miss remembering, but I think they said something about difficulty breathing and mechanical failures. If that's right Buu wouldn't even notice, but it would have been nice for that to have been noted.

[@3417gekkou]

while i like gotenks both as a character and a combatant, i do think he takes a lot away from trunks and goten as individual characters, especially in the super era where they continue to be used solely as gotenks fodder. while neither showed particularly unique attacks before fusing into gotenks, it would be neat if they were retroactively giving parts of gotenks's talents as their areas of expertise. Goten could focus on creating ki clones and movement restrictive techniques and Trunks could focus on high explosive ki blasts, which, once they fuse into Gotenks, creates the exploding ghosts and the donut.

[@LordChip]

It's weird how one can telepathically speak from outside to inside the room of spirit & time, considering time is much slower on the outside

[@lyubot.9138]

Yoooo I forgot about DBD December! Hyped to finally benefit from it actually being every week!

[@saiyan4414]

i'm honestly surprised with the way most shows do door openings that they didn't have the door open slowly just to pad out the time.

[@ThelronFjord]

When I was watching DBZ Kai, the Final Chapters dub when it aired on Toonami a few years back, I remember loving this fight in particular, but hating Gotenks for being an incompetent jackass. Then later when I read through the manga and got to this fight I still thought he was an incompetent jackass, but he had such a charm and chemistry to Boo and Piccolo during this fight I couldn't hate him. P.S: I like Vegetto.

[@mifaro2255]

7:38 That just means that Gotenks is gonna spam special attacks in the next chapter. It's not an announcement of what the next chapters will be i think.

[@romulusnuma116]

I've always assumed that the room of spirt and time effects turn off as soon as the door is touched from inside or out

[@paintbrush3554]

As a huge Trunks and Goten fan, I loved this video! I did loved Gotenks vs Buu as a kid for all the reasons in the video. However, I disagree that trunk's plan was a bad idea. If becoming super Saiyan 3 cancels out the fusion, it makes more sense to use it at the end when there's no risk. If they use it in the beginning and it didn't kill Buu in 5 minutes they'd loose fusion and probably die immediately. It makes sense to fight as Gotenks as long as possible plus the ssj3. If they can't win as ssj Gotenks (which they state they thought they could) ssj3 would be the last resort. I do agree that it foreshadows the arrogance that causes their failure but the plan in itself is actually optimal.

[@ZipplyZane]

The problem is that, the big gun isn't powerful enough to defeat him, the lesser guns won't be, either. Sure, there is some strategy in sizing up you opponent first, but not in not going big as soon as you realize it's your best chance to win.

[@TylerCharlesFisher]

Except that's not why they do it. They don't hold back on SSJ3 to conserve power. They do it to show off.

[@paintbrush3554]

@@TylerCharlesFisher I already knew that and acknowledged that.

[@paintbrush3554]

@@ZipplyZane that's not a problem. Simply makes when u use the big gun inconsequential. Still better to have a longer fight were u can have multiple opportunities to win, even if the chances are small plus a big opportunity, then to go all out in the beginning and be out of commission immediately after your big gun fails.

[@TylerCharlesFisher]

@@paintbrush3554 Then why are you defending Gotenks' actions?

[@hunterguzenski2443]

I forgot DDD is coming up and the announcement at the end of the video got me excited!

[@TimmyCommerford]

you mentioned opening the door to the chamber would be ridiculously long seeing from inside. And what about picollos telepathical message to trunten? Did the few words echo for hours? 🤔 I suppose it worked like with recordings slowed down so the voice also got deeper 😛 or maybe picollo realized it and said something super quickly... or maybe it wasn’t really words but just like a transmission of intention or image or something?

[@Green-3c34y65vrbu]

i love that thumbnail LOL it got a good giggle out of me for some reason.

[@plzsaythebento]

I like to think that Goku didnt give Recoome a free action when he hit him and always regretted not letting him show his full power, so he made the conscious decision to always let opponents transform & charge attacks ever since.

[@Cedithicc]

When I was a small kid at my friends pool party, I wrapped my towel around my neck and told this older guy I was a namekian. He told me that he knew everything about dragon ball and that gotenks was his favorite character. I like to image it was you. That’s all

[@ryanmaddugal]

I like Gotanks😄 when I first saw him, in manga,He looked like a young cocky Vegeta Maybe it Toriyama‘s way to remind us of him That Since he died,he’s never completely gone because his son is here to do all the mannerisms and characterisms of the late prince of all 2 Saiyans.