Goth is Goth response video| Re.Snowy Lowther|Angela Benedict et al

[@AryforRi]

I'm 25, I'm not goth...and still feel that the internet is ruining part of this beautiful subculture.

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

The internet is a great thing, however its also terrible. Its a double edged sword.

[@ashleym5868]

Not only do I agree but I have that skull made of kittens on a shirt of mine. So cute!

[@DiamanteDea]

in moderation it's great, but it gets to a point where we are now and it's awful.

[@Spooky_Chloe_97]

I appreciate elder goths like you.

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you

[@oooSPOOKSooo]

You truly are the voice of reason in a sea of people who don't understand the culture. Elder goths are our greatest resource as younguns

[@SaraSyn]

I love when you say "way back in the mists of time" ^-^ xP lol

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

I was merely demonstrating.. lol..

[@witchothewood455]

I love the message of "Sticking together as a community". Subcultures will evolve. What I don't like is older goths, in their 40s like myself or older, talking shit about younger people who are getting into the subculture. Get over it. It's a cool subculture, who wouldn't want to be included? I do, however, think that the music is a HUGE part of the subculture, and to me PERSONALLY, it's more about the music and less about the aesthetic (though I love the aesthetic and I do involve myself in it). If I see a woman in her 20s who has never heard of "goth" bands, but enjoys dressing the part, I don't see a problem with it honestly. Plus, it makes it easier for us to get cool shit! Let people be happy, man.

[@issalife3521]

I'm 47 I love everyone and absolutely enjoy baby bats and people who are finding themselves

[@meganrobinson5701]

I'm in my early 20s and I like goth fashion and makeup but I tried to listen to "goth" music and I just dont like the 80s sounds in the songs. When I was in high school, pastel goth was popular and now I'm getting back to that style (although it's argued it's not true goth with the pastel and japanese influences). There are other things like pastel grunge that tie into pastel goth and goth that are 'darkly inclined'.

[@blktauna]

I think the creative/DIY aspect is essential. As is the social and community aspect. And thats kind of what the new folks are missing out on. Also your makeup is superb.

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Indeed, make more stuff, be creative and original!! Thank you, Not done my makeup like that for a while.. however, I enjoyed doing it ;-) x

[@GothicSoulFlower]

I've just found your channel and this video is wonderful! You said it very well and I appreciate the goths who were there from the very beginning. Elder goths like you have information that can't be found in books. You're right in that if it wasn't for the '80s goths, I myself wouldn't have been a '90s goth. :)

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you x

[@victorianorth7720]

Hello. I am 18 and am heavily interested in the subculture and really like the music. Thank you for so much for sharing. Personally, I feel as if my generation doesn’t owe people like you and Angela the respect and support you should have for help to maintain and grow the subculture that we all love and know. Obviously, there are individuals who do understand, such as myself, however I think that as a whole we should ask more, and not be so quick to judge. Thank you so much! This was very important information to keep in mind!

[@cindigonzalez7350]

I know this is an old video but I literally used black/purple eyeshadow for lipstick too. I love it so much and I have more in common with this subculture than I thought. I just wish ppl would relax and stop thinking we all have to look a certain way because it's a music based subculture. I LOVE the 80s and new wave....so I've been incorporating that and darker make up into my wardrobe but mostly I've been trying to respect the subculture and learn more about the music and history. I've only been out twice looking darker because I don't wanna be a fake.

[@yasminemesliart]

I appreciate older women goth like you, you speak gently I'd like to listen to all of your stories about goth back then, I never searched what is goth but I discovered goth music when I was 14 now I'm 21 and always liked the old bands now I'm following ppl like you and the others🖤 thank you so much really

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you for your lovely comments. I do plan to do more videos soon, I'm currently re launching my business and setting that up, so once I have a few spare hours I'll upload another video. :-)

[@periunus8133]

I know I’m just a baby bat but I REALLY appreciate your response on this. You GET that it’s about the community rather than just music or just fashion or whatever. Thanks for giving your valuable input as someone who was there and still is today! ^_^

[@DafniKem]

I know I came late, but I happen to just watch this right now. Well, I'm only 25, I'm into "goth" the last 11 years..and I have to say thank you for this video! I have always had this exact same opinion as you, as a person that educated myself about everything related to goth. All of these definitions and divisions of what is got and what is not, I think is only an internet issue. Thank you again for spreading your knowledge 🖤

[@Rose_Macabre]

Very well said! I agree, the music is a big part, but it's not the only part. Be who you are. That's all. My teens were in the 90's. I lived in a little nowhere town, so the shop to me that sold gothy things and the nearest club were a 2 hour drive away, there was no online shopping, no access to music online, and we had to be creative with simple makeup products. DIY, mixed tapes, and word of mouth was the way of things back then. It was, as you said, simply different times, and a significantly less commercial culture.

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Yep. We had to work hard to get what we wanted, it wasn't available 24/7 and instantly.

[@jurassicgoth1719]

That was like a trip down memory lane...netgoth, Afflecks and the Oasis at Birmingham...the make do and diy fashions and make-up. the getting excited when we discovered a new band, record, club or place to go and meet up with others who we had things in common with. I'm not an elitist, I definitely don't expect anyone to like the same bands as I do, I'm too old to play 'gother than thou' with anyone and don't care how anyone dresses but I love the subculture, the dark aesthetic, the art, the films and especially the music. Music has always been at the core of it and I'm still excited at getting ready to go out and dance in a club or to see a new goth band. I'm often at gigs and clubs these days dancing and talking to people who are younger than my kids and I love that they are making it their own and that the scene is still evolving and changing. I just think that it's a shame that there are people on youtube who spend their lives doing hauls and make up tutorials who never leave their bedrooms to actually participate in the sub-culture or listen to (and buy) the music. People can call themselves whatever they like but I'm hardly elitist for thinking the sub culture is, and should be, more than an elaborate cosplay or advertisement for brands and stuff. Every so often, the fashion industry declares that 'goth is in' and we see black dresses and heavy make-uped models sashaying down catwalks and pouting from magazine pages...but we aren't under any illusion that they are 'goths' as crimped hair and Siouxsie inspired eye make up and a black dress alone has never made anyone 'goth'. It generally just means rather good sales at the end of the season when they are selling off the clothing that has trickled down to the high street shops that are being discounted to make way for the next year's big thing. We will still be wearing our black clothing as, in our world, goth doesn't ever 'go out'.

[@NeverGiveUpExisting]

"Labels don't matter!" Exactly, finally someone said it! And honestly, I truly love your reasonings, you are absolutely right about everything you have said. Times change and subcultures evolve, that's all there is to it. And honestly, I do wonder if we will see a new subculture rise someday soon.......

[@AndiV138]

Although I was only a kid during the 80s and early 90s, I remember there were no alternative/goth stores. Goths bought clothes at any store. My babysitter's goth friend often wore all black clothes, accompanied by a purple and gold paisley neck scarf, teased black hair, plenty of gold jewelry (Egyptian symbols), with heavy eyeliner and red lipstick, wide-brim hats. It wasn't until the late 90s that Hot Topic opened in my area (where I shopped), and mall goths spewed their hatred for those not goth enough. Goths started dressing in medieval era-inspired clothing during the mid to late 90s through present, so it was different from what I witnessed growing up. People not attaining the new aesthetic were frowned upon, and an older goth guy, who was goth during the 80s told me this. I even remember young mall goths dissing some older woman for liking Gene Loves Jezebel and The Mission, and saying "they're not goth"...WTF! I know musical taste is a matter of opinion, but they obviously failed to realize that many goths listened to those bands (and still do; I do listen to several early goth/dark alternative bands). This was before the Internet contained a lot of information on the subculture and bands, or maybe these new goths just didn't care about its history, as well as what the goth subculture represented in its infancy. I don't think you came off as an elitist; you were being honest about its roots. I appreciate your insight and experiences during Goth's early years, in helping later generations understand the importance of the subculture. I appreciate this, as I am a non-Goth, but darkly-inclined person, from the later generation. It does, indeed, need to be preserved. You're right, I don't recall goths being hung up on mass consumerism then, either. By the way, I love your videos!

[@dj-jn7qs]

I wasn't going to watch since I have a short attention span, but I watched the first 8 min or so. I was pleasantly surprised... Oh what memories you evoked, and you're correct, we never called ourselves goth in the 80s and 90s (shreek if anyone else dare call us that), half the scene did not look "goth" (they had regular jobs), when "fashion" shops and mags came out we gasped at the horror since we all made our own clothes and made sure we didn't look like anyone else. It was a 100% DIY culture that was very inclusive yet very proud to the point of being snobs. To this day I've never purchased any garb from a retail joint except for the basic black base of all outfits. I still love the clubs and scene, but I do miss the magic, when going to clubs was like going to a formal ball with the vast eloquent flowing movement that swept across the dance floor (kind of like the haunted mansion ride), I sigh and long, but I look forward to what the future holds as my next first experience... Thanks for the video

[@nothankyou222]

I wasn’t planing on watching the whole video. But I was just so captivated. 3 minutes became 5, 5 became 10, and then I found myself at the end. You ma’am, are truly a terrific public speaker and speak nothing but the truth. What a pleasant video!

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you so much :-) I need to do more videos too!

[@skellymom]

Thank you! Old Goth. Back in the day BROKE AS FUCK!!! Got one pair of slip on shoes in black and wore them until my toes fell out or grew out of them. Remember coloring in the scuffs with black marker so they would stay black! Buy an old jacket from Goodwill/thrift and it was a huge deal to sew on better looking buttons from the fabric store. And, the makeup needed a lighter to get it going. The makeup definitely got better with time. But, at the time I just skipped the crappy makeup and went naked skin (lucky I had clear skin) with a spiky black short hair. Regular jeans, scuffed up men's work boots, black or white color men's tee (I wore a lot of gender ambiguous clothing-cheaper and lasted longer). No jewelry at all except an odd ring I could thrift (allergic to nickel and that was all I could afford at the time). Got a lot of "sir" at the time with my willowy gender fluid look. BTW, one of my close friends at the time would tell me I looked a lot like Neil Gaiman's Desire (Patrick Nagel model). All I had was a crappy clock radio (I grew up seriously poor in Detroit, MI) or my car radio. Friends shared mixed tapes and took me to the few clubs we had access to or had time to go to around my crazy work schedule (serious blue collar working class upbringing).

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Aww. Yes, I remember having a black eyeliner that wasn't soft and pliable, but was nearly as hard as a real pencil!! Yes, trying to make our shoes last... I remember having shoes soled and re-heeled to make them last longer! I agree, I used to wear mens oversized shirts and t-shirts (cheap and universal), Doc Martens (when they were just considered 'work boots'...lol)... I was fortunate to have inherited a nice silver rosary, which I wore a lot! Mix tapes were a great way to share music with friends and discover new bands.

[@jurassicgoth1719]

I used to tape John Peel shows and Radio Luxemburg and try to tape the best tracks from the 'top 40' on Sunday evenings without getting the talking in between or the rubbishy pop tracks lol

[@SquishyMain]

Yes. There are multiple things that go into it. Music did became a big part but we shouldn't forget everything else.

[@christopherluvspeter666]

This is why i believe goth is what you make of it its an artistic movement. Its mysterious, and odd. And its not just about music its about whatever you make of it. I believe people need to let people define as whoever they want without being Interrogated on whether or not they like the music or not or of its just a fashion thing for them. Also it's black Friday made a beautiful video on why she doesn't talk about the technicalities of goth

[@earthbruja5268]

Nope. It's about the music. Unless you listen to it then you arent goth. Being goth yes is more then just music but it's a big part of it. You wouldn't call yourself a metal head unless you listened to metal. Pretty sure I've seen you trolling some other alt fb groups. Yep, you are a poser.

[@christopherluvspeter666]

@@earthbruja5268 I'm no poser. The music is a big part for me as well just like any other goth. But I believe it is what you make of it. There's no rules and also this subject is something noone is going to agree with. Goth is not a set thing its a social thing. Goth is an umbrella term anyways there's no set definition or its this way or that way. Its a mysterious subculture. I believe talking about what goth is and isn't kinda spoils it and looses its beauty and uniqueness and becomes more of a competition of I'M MORE GOTHER THAN THOU. The fact you state I'm a "poser" confirms that goth has become a competition and has lost its beauty, is pretty sad and that is why many avoid labels because of such pettiness. Anyone can be who they want, besides the average person whether someone is a "true goth" or "darkly inclined" is not gonna be able to tell the difference anyways. Anyone who dresses in black and wears strange makeup and hair and takes in interest in darker aesthetics, literature and architecture or anything of that nature is gonna be seen as a goth by society anyways. At the end of the day who cares. There's no need to even label ones self if one chooses to. If people are gonna make a big deal about it and get butt hurt wheres the beauty in that. This is also why people don't find very many local goth nights in your area is because of the drama, elitism and people just being shitty to one another. None wants to go to nightclubs or goth nights is because its become more of an exam of how goth you are rather than just enjoy the music and whatnot. This generation is probably the reason that goth is dead. Our subculture is a dying subculture and with peoples behavior and attitude is why were never gonna preserve our subculture. By the way your only calling me a poser is because you want to validate your own low self opinion. You feel the need to come at me like Gothic border patrol and call me a poser is because you are one yourself just to make yourself feel better. So go and write a head Mr keyboard commando type all your b.s all you want.

[@MysteriousAsteria]

The music is the one thing that really ties everything together to form the movement - it gave rise to the ideas, sentiments and aesthetics of the subculture, without it what one calls a Goth scene would never exist. During the times when the music scene was pretty dead, so around the late 90s until mid/late 00s, Goth almost became just a commercialized commodity and a fashion fad. Since the music had an upswing in early 10s the people have finally come back together to form a community. It's therefore not really as dead as you think as we have gotten hordes of new bands and releases the last years. I agree though, that since music is the main and common factor it allows the culture to be way more heterogenic and individualistic, and maybe that's what you are referring to - there are no rules outside "enjoy the music and have fun taking part of the scene". Ok, there's also maybe the anti-commercialism and anti-capitalist sentiment, but that's mainly expressed through attitude and not as loudly as punk did. So yeah, it's not just the music, but a wild and individual mix of what people personally draw from said music and how they interpret and then express it through their creativity, fashion or lifestyle. In a sense, goth as a music genre may be very narrowly defined and limited, but the culture that grew around it is much more vast. That's especially noticeable in the club scene, where playlists have always been playing a mix not only of goth, but also industrial, EBM, Darkwave, Minimal Wave and other related genres. For me, I can live without really being called the G word though, since it is way too narrow of a word. I def call gothic rock what it is and recognize that goth is a musical genre and style, but I refrain from labelling my fellow peers. Since we all also love other alternative music and stuff it's often easier to just use very overarching terms (of necessary), like "Schwarze Szene" (German term for the "dark scene"). I know some call themselves Wavers or Grufties too, rather than Goths. And honestly, most of the debates about what is or isn't "goff" happen online. People really do not care as much about it in real life situations, at least where I am. They just want to have a good time and dance to music and meet their friends. Tbh, most of the events I went to, even big ones like Gothic Pogo for example, were very welcoming. There was no elitism whatsoever, no one acted "Gother than thou" and no one gave a shit about how many old goth bands you know about. Maybe it's different in your local scene, I don't know. People are certainly coming less to events, but people in general go out less in these times. Guess it's more the lack of money and everyone listening to music online.

[@christopherluvspeter666]

@@MysteriousAsteria I just dont think there's any point in talking about goth with other goths it gets boring after a while. Its like yeah yeah we get it already. Why ruin the mystique of the subculture by constantly talking about the technicalities of goth. Noones ever going to agree its not a set thing with rules and regulations. Thats when goth stops being unique it seems like it becomes more of a following rather than an individualistic ideology. The beauty is gonna be dead for good if this pettiness doesn't stop. And if you read my comment. You should know music is important to me but at the same time I don't have the right or power to tell someone what they are or aren't Also. I don't think it achieves anything by talking about goth period. Just like the number one rule of Fight club is never talk about Fight club same applys to the goth subculture. Why cant we just let it be it. But we don't need to talk about it. Ps. If people make goth about fashion go for it. Who cares as long as no one is hurting each other who cares let them be. People are so against people who make it about fashion now its really silly. Like really. Only this millenials generation and after that have made this subculture turn into capitalism/socialism. This stuff only happens behind a keyboard and not in real life.

[@druidactual]

The best video on the subject in my opinion, well said.

[@darklyinclined5691]

Well said.I do think some KZbinrs do express their opinions in such a way that it becomes a declaration of the truth- you are not one of them! Oh the old days! I am slightly older than you but yes the days before internet when we had to do a lot more work into research and we made stuff! I am dammed if I am going to buy "Goth" clothes made in some sweat shop and sold at inflated prices. Looking good by the way, love the hair and make-up!

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you. Exactly, we're merely sharing opinions on here. Oh yes... It was hard work back in the old days, but worth it. I agree... I might buy the odd piece, but true, stuff made in sweat shops and sold at over inflated prices is awful... Thank the world for Charity shops!!

[@reganv.8309]

I keep doing the eye-shadow thing on my lips 😂😂

[@aytakk]

Great video. We really have been saying this stuff a long time...

[@amberkhecharimaria9256]

Wyldwych, you so summed it up so beautifully! What it was like, ya know? xox i am a bit misty and feeling quite nostalgic. When we would go look for our Gothicky/ witchy clothes, stuff and things--it was such an adventure. There was an excitement and such a feeling of expectation when we would discover some little "cave of wonders"...No internet, like you said. Thrift shopping and flea markets were one of the great places to rummage through. i remember we took some of our inspiration from early films and also the TV Show--Dark Shadows was a huge influence in the 60's. Were were so early in the so called movement/sub culture--no one really had a label for us, yet. We were mostly called Freaks...or "those Andy Warhol type people". lol...i hated labels then, i despise them just as much, now.

[@cybergod09]

well done lady!... well done!! thank you for these words

[@ShedonistaShamanatrix]

I too am an "Elder Goth", and so I wanted to say I really like you so much! Good on ya for puttin' this out there, both for the up and comings and as a reminder for us all. You look great, by the way! 💋💀💋💀💋💀💋💀💋

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you xxx Much appreciated. I believe that we need to stand up and speak out.

[@Deathoutofhell]

Following quite a bit of this discussion I must really say, there were other videos that were important but your video is the best. What it could achieve the best was causing me to good about it while having a diverse discussion about it. 🖤

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you, much appreciated.

[@TrevorParkerTheKiltedGoth]

I think thats your very best video 😊👍🏻 and abrupt ending 🤔 Annnnd that look is damn awesome you should wear it more 😊😊🖤🖤

[@necromancy6142]

The Kilted Goth Best video yet I agree. Shes baaack.

[@TrevorParkerTheKiltedGoth]

Necromancy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😈

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thanks Trevor,

[@pebbles25869]

Hi, I suppose I'm an elder Goth as I've been goth since the early eighties , I agree with a lot of what you say,Although I do think it's great that's it's easier for people to buy alternative items though, not everyone is creative. I myself own a mixture of clothes, some Killstar, some I have made (I studied fashion design in the mid 80's to improve my dressing making skills) a lot of my clothes are bought from charity shops. I tend to make my own jewellery but when I was younger I used to buy a lot of jewellery from Indian shops and stalls. I lived in a small town outside of Oxford that didn't really have a lot of goths, I hung around with all the punks, skin heads, rockabillys and all the alternative kids in my town, but would go to the voodoo club which was a goth night held once a week in a gay night club in the city. I think it's sad that some are falling out over deferences of opinion, we should all be encouraging each other. I look forward to viewing more of your videos Amanda x

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Hi Amanda, Thanks for responding to my video. I agree, we should be all encouraging everyone. Enjoy the videos. x

[@larvi666]

I really liked listening to you talk about goth culture. I have never called myself a goth, but I kinda felt like one. I have very limited taste in music, and thats rock/punk and metal etc. I have admired gothic fashion for a long time but can't afford it, so I like to make my own clothes. I did that with my punk phase too. Your opinion spoke to me, because I don't like to identifie myself as anything. I am just me. Thank you for your wise words!

[@shadowdoll4788]

i never thought the olders were eleasts, in fact i am greatful for the videos and the fun story time you all tell!!

[@lizardqueen6041]

This is absolutely beautifully spoken.

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you x

[@necromancy6142]

This reminded me of the honest goth talk reply video. Which is what made me subscribe to your channel. Which is why we are friends. You're such a great woman. I love listening to you talk about the scene and im not gonna lie... Love it when you get out that eyeliner pencil. Keep doing what you do because at least it's true to yourself. The online scene is exhausting and quite repetitive in many ways but like you said if it didnt exist we would not have met. Labels are for jam jars.... Love you 💀xx

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

I realised after I'd done it that I was in danger of repeating myself. It seems there are people who want to keep stoking the fire, and pointing fingers and calling us elitist, which gets my goat. Yup... I think the online scene is best dipped into occasionally, its not like the old days of internet forums, where people talked to each other. However, you're right, we would never have met if it weren't for the online thing... Yup.. keep those labels on the jam jars!! xx Love you too x

[@80snostalgiafan79]

I'm an 80s chick, well more like my older sisters 80s chicklet, but loved 80s Synth music New Romantic and now Dark Wave music which reminds me of that kinda of music, I appreciate Sisters of Mercy too. I've always liked Goths, studied Vlad at one point as I had to know the real Dracula, unfortunately not as romantic as the films. I'm dipping my toe in the beautiful clothes world of Goth. Thanks for your good talk!

[@gaffster787]

Love This Vid ! I remember wanting to be at the club (usually Squeeze, FT Lauderdale) so much I would get there way early when the DJ was just playing a mix tape. Mellow stuff like the Cocteau Twins. Free well drinks. The club had a front bar. You could hang there and watch all your friends show up. "Got any cloves?" I looked like Bob Smith's twin brother.

[@thewinterland]

I missed your videos so much! We're about the same age and I identify with your stories so much. I can't agree with you more, especially with regards to capitalism. It's such a shame that the question you're addressing even exists. I love this video. Thank you. It really made my day (well night here is Aus) xxoo

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Aww, thanks hun. I know, the question I'm addressing shouldn't exist. xx

[@littleshebear6413]

Well said ! I loved to hear the passionate way that you spoke, your sentiments greatly match my own. Take care X

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you xx

[@zigjakzigjak5272]

Well put, love it. I think its great to reminisce because I seriously didn't think at the time I was doing anything special or noteworthy that would be of any interest later on. My 27 yr old daughter is also gothic and I don't think this weird name calling thing has happened to her either. 20p for Constance carol black eyeliner down our market stall in 80's, got through a lot, used to end up looking like Alice Cooper by the end of a heavy night, but then so did everyone else. I used to fund my early years by working for my dad on his milk round lol. Then did an almighty splurge with my very first proper wages and bought DM's and a new Walkman (those DM's have only just been replaced!) Wore a lot of my dads clothes much to his displeasure and when I could get there, I'd haunt Camden or Ken Market for some bits. As to discovering music, lets not forget bootleg tapes (don't judge lol).

[@kirarose8729]

I really identified with a lot of your ideas about the Goth subculture and life in general, this is one of the best videos I've seen on this topic ^^

[@hannahshark8080]

I watch Goths, I love Goths and what I wear is often labeled as 'Goth' or 'Gothic' but I don't call myself a Goth. I'm Alternative and Goth Adjacent, but I will always stand up for Goths when they feel like their subculture is being used inappropriately. Us weirdos need to stuck together and live our best spooky lives 🖤🦇

[@christopherhindle8371]

Like many Gen-Xers, I was also there for the origin of the bands that are now considered the fathers of goth music. Fans of the music did not (yet) identify as goth, because the term came later. Goth was not (yet) a style of dress. Many of the original fans loved the music genres that we considered edgier than mainstream rock, pop, and metal. What the original community shared was a sense of anti-establishment/anti-mainstream/counter-culture. Today, Generation X is known for an anti-establishment attitude that has somewhat been passed down to younger generations. A lot of the community borrowed bits & pieces from the punk music movement that preceded it, such as the makeup & alternative fashion. It was easy to connect the anti-establishment elements of fashion & music, many of which already existed in other music genres of this period in time. I strongly believe goth is the name of a community, not a style of music. As such, anyone who wants to belong to the community can do so, regardless of music tastes and/or knowledge. The elitism comes when people try to tell other people what music is goth, what music is not goth. Goth music is whatever music the community listens to. In Buffalo, NY & Toronto, ON, I remember the earliest "goth" parties in smokey basements where everyone was listening to Sisters of Mercy, Violent Femmes, Ministry, Adam & the Ant, Trans-X, Pink Floyd. Again, goth music is whatever the community listens to. Another note about elitism. If elitism exists in the eyes of the person using that term, then it is real. The community should just remind everyone that we are all family. Sometimes we need to agree to disagree.

[@honestalex5790]

Definitely not elitist to want to preserve the music of goth. The very root of the subculture, the core piece that defines goth. Yeah theres gothic architecture, literature, films, fashion but the music is what brings people together. Someone can go all out in gothic fashion whilst hanging with a group of people who aren't dressed up at all yet they are all together enjoying the very music they love. And yes ofc people can listen to other music aside from goth since theres so much music out there to enjoy. I just truly agree that the music is most important and must be preserved. Lol what is a movie, where all the characters present this certain aesthetic, yet there's no soundtrack

[@CatMan-FPLS-4]

Love this clip :) about time someone broke it down properly x

[@OctoberRainRocks]

Hey hun FAB video you took the words right outta my mouth (it was like....YOU KNEW lmao) xxx

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thanks hun, much appreciated

[@dreadpirateviolet3178]

Capitalism's subversive appropriation of subculture is nothing but a tragedy. Sincere expression of individual creativity has been ground down and packaged into a mass-consumption commodity, an identity based upon purchase of a particular product. In this bleak department-store "counter-culture", our longing for expression is distracted from the outlets actually resembling our personalities by the mound of pre-packaged horse-shit piled on top. It's exceedingly unfortunate that then the mass culture consumer-identity "goths" become more numerous than Goths, and thus we're constantly viewed as a small, bigoted, elite group of reactionaries only interested in belittling their superficial claim to the identity. If you want an image of Goth's future under neo-liberalism, think of a middle-aged Spencer's manager wearing a Breaking Benjamin shirt and a Tap-Out (TM)(C)(R) hat being considered an elder goth by the kids at the mall.

[@amayakat4994]

Dead Matt Walking Hur dur capitalism bad we should all starve and live in huts and be put into slave camps via USSR/1984

[@FoodNerds]

Amen! It's become a costume parade with popularity as currency.

[@FoodNerds]

Amen! It's become a costume parade with popularity as currency.

[@BlackMoonCoven]

Loved this video!!! ur an inspiration to how goths are supposed to act towards each other. we should support each other to keep the subculture going not let it get ruined from the inside. we should help baby bats, lead them towards the culture instead of scaring them away. if u wanna be a goth ur goth no-one needs to prove anything to anyone. anyways tho really loved ur video, loved ur makeup too🖤🖤🖤⚰💀

[@i_tell_u_hwathill8089]

Gothic people really are like the Addams family

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

So true...

[@Filerboy]

Yep

[@mapzep]

You're right it all started with the music, not the way we dressed..

[@fi1462]

This video is so inspiring! I love it! Thank you !

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you xx

[@breannalarose9811]

I just want to say Thank you so much for this. I was really hating the gate keeping that people are doing in cultures and sub cultures. And even though I don’t do the goth looks and listen to every goth band out there I do consider myself as a goth because I enjoy the old literatures, art, and architecture. If you don’t mind can I use what you say in this video for a video I’m miking on community’s? It’s mainly focused on the art community but I feel like you hit the mark of “don’t be a jerk.” In this video.

[@darkcavedweller5313]

I love this video so much!!! You are the best!

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you

[@Spooky_Chloe_97]

You said you used to put eyeshadow on your lips, funny because I used my mom's black pencil liner and eyeshadow because I didn't have the money to buy a black lipstick and I would also use black face paint.

[@benthejrporter]

Good to see you back :-) I like to be multidimensional in a non-elitist way.

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thanks, its good to be back!! Multidimensionality is the way forward, imho. :-)

[@terriemariehoy-recio1716]

Thank you for that last comment at my age of 64 I go much lighter on the makeup, my skin is naturally white because my nationality is 77% British Wales and Irish/Scottish the other 23% is Swedish🖤

[@MyLadyPanda]

I don't like the loose usage of the word elitist either. However, I think it's more the attitude some older goths have with the younger ones that gives that impression. There's educating and then there is being condescending and a lot of the older goths I've encountered are pretty condescending and pretentious. I suppose I'm new to the subculture (I started around 16 and I'm in my mid 30's now) I never went to clubs, never had other goth friends.. It's just how I was. I didn't even know there was goth music until I was older (come to find out some of the stuff on the radio I liked WAS goth music) But it wasn't until after I renewed my interest in it some many years later that I realized a fair number of goths are just... stuck. All subcultures evolve over time, but it seems like goth has but the change isn't welcome or wanted. The glory days (?) of goth were in the 80's and 90's. It's ok for the music to change, goth rock, goth metal..it's still goth right? I remember when I said I wasn't fond of Bauhaus in front of other goths, I was looked at like I was a leper.. Anyway, I'm rambling and I'm sorry.. I think you can be goth without the music. There are so many more facets to it than just that. Yes I agree it's important.. but can you appreciate and respect the music responsible without liking it? I think you can.

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

There will always be some people who might come across as condescending and pretentious, however, if they're older goths, its generally because they want to hold onto things as they once were. Or they really don't remember what it was like 'back in the day'. I didn't have many goth friends, however, I found that once I got talking to them, they were all really rather nice people and wonderfully accommodating and accepting. Regardless of what label you put on Goth, it will be goth in whatever shape or form. I don't like all stuff by Bauhaus, I preferred The Cure back in the day, but I also liked lots of other stuff too. It is a multi-faceted subculture. I think you can appreciate and respect the music without liking it, after all you might not like Bauhaus, but you may like something that was inspired by them.. They were inspired by people like David Bowie (for a lot of the music of the Goth scene was inspired by the Glam Rock scene, just with some punk sensibilities) Thanks for your comment and I for one didn't think you were rambling.

[@adamarkgaming]

yeah I have never called myself goth but whenever a regular person sees me than they think that I do... my xGF called herself "vintage goth" which was pretty cute but this was recently and I know that back in the day she would have been harassed for not knowing who Robert Smith is or something.. she has been in the scene for years going clubbing or whatever but as far as the 90s went, she would still be considered a baby bat until she recognized most of the music. I thought it was pretty funny that she was the hottest goth girl that I could find but she didn't know who Robert Smith is... and yeah "vintage goth" has never been a thing... that is HER thing.

[@adamarkgaming]

people usually don't want to identify as goth back in the day because that made em a poser

[@mysterjaythang]

Well said. Thank you.

[@nancyvontesse1113]

Im not old but i am an old soul

[@thegreyraven2]

Great video, well said. If you know who you are than your not concerned about the labels people throw around. Freedom is the pleasure of just being yourself. Sometimes I'm so glad to be my age. The 80's were fun. 💀

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thanks. Exactly, there is a lot of power to be gained from being yourself. So many people get tied into the system and believe that buying into subcultures is the way forward, it isn't.. Where's the creativity?? Where's the originality? They don't realise that they're just being sold a subculture, not actually experiencing it and growing with it. I want our subculture to survive, I really do. I also accept that things change. Oh yeah, the 80s were a lot of fun. x

[@thegreyraven2]

Wyldwych's Ramblings So very true. Let's keep educating people about the subculture, and correcting those that are corrupting it with false images and information. 💀

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Absolutely.. :-)

[@ffsake1361]

When I was in high school I did go through a goth phase (hate to use "phase" but for lack of better word right?) and knew nothing of the sub culture other than dress in black, white make up and black eyeliner. Also our (me n my friends at the time) idea of goth music was Marilyn mason (maybe some NIN and Rob Zombie to), which in saying that would be grounds for execution by some goths standards lol. I knew nothing of goth music or the subcultures history. Again it was at a time where I didnt have any I guess elder goths to guide me and my friends on what it was all really about. Again we had to DIY our clothes and use everyday drug store make up to get the goth look. So the lightest shade of foundation and talc n powder to whiten it even more and as you said the same eyeliner for everything. I dont label myself anymore as I feel like Im to much of a ever changing person to do so and hate being pigeon holed into one box sorta thing anyways. I still wear mostly black, like goth and a lot of different other music also. I have my own style now. I just think some people need to validate their own existence or place either through being told they are doing things right or telling someone they are doing things wrong.

[@shadowdinoxd7811]

I love Your channel

[@AmphigorianXIII]

Love your video, and your voice ^_^ I personally wish people would stop the social pecking order where people focus more on how one looks instead of the general curiosity for the obscure that 90's Goths had. I've been Goth for long time now, and listen to more of the Coldwave/Post-Punk side of things (Opera De Nuit, Asylum Party etc), but I kind of stopped being active in the scene because of of what you eloquently described as "capitalist" mentality. The consumerism and focus on how one looks really took away alot of the unity that I used to experience when going to local goth nights.

[@cryptsandcatacombs3097]

I love this.

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Thank you

[@terriemariehoy-recio1716]

Wish there were more Elder Goth's around I'm 64 and am still Victorian Gothic living🖤🦇🖤🦇🖤🦇🖤🦇🖤🦇🖤🦇🖤🦇🖤🦇🖤

[@FoodNerds]

Amen! I'm not sure I could hold a conversation with any goths who are under 30? Maybe I could if they were mature enough.

[@kotatombs7733]

Yea it's quite literally true

[@Spooky_Chloe_97]

I personally don't think it matters. Music should just be music. I am educating myself on Goth music and so far I love it.

[@zombiebaby]

AMEN!!!! And my ZOMBIES you are looking GORGEOUS 💋💖💕❤❤💋

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

Aw thanks hun xx

[@shanesarabia0318]

Hell no hell no. The customers is always right. They get what they ordered. Just leave it at that cuz we nasty

[@kkeegan32]

I remember the only time you could buy black lipstick or black nail polish was at Halloween and it was pretty shity too

[@3jdni]

Eh, I feel like if you're giving someone a checklist or saying "You can only be Goth if..." is so...Mean Girls... Angela herself says if you don't like Goth music, you're not a Goth - you're just darkly inclined. I find that so snobby - stamping on everyone's fingers who doesn't like Goth music so they fall into the realms of "Not Goth"... In my opinion, we should ditch this whole "What is Goth/What Goth isn't" crap - Goth is what each individual believes it is...leave people alone, it really doesn't affect you...

[@amordesdemona]

It's not really a checklist, it's really just one aspect that they believe makes goth. And I imagine people like her and Angela are worried about it simply meaning the same thing and not being watered down to meaning 'an outfit with mostly black'

[@Spooky_Chloe_97]

I agree.

[@Spooky_Chloe_97]

HannahGrahamOfficial I don't think Angela should have made a response video. She didn't have to agree, she's allowed to disagree, but did she have to make a stupid response video? No. Plus nobody said "here's my PO box send me presents," Ok. None of the "Goth," KZbinrs I watch said that. Yeah. I feel like I'm the only who didn't agree with Angela. Call me a poser I don't care. But I don't agree with her.

[@Spooky_Chloe_97]

HannahGrahamOfficial plus I don't consider myself Goth anyways. Luck for Angela.

[@Spooky_Chloe_97]

Goth is based on Art and Literature. The Music came later. Very unpopular opinion but I don't agree with Angela.

[@karolyngrimm]

why are you pink?? i actually only clicked on this thumbnail because i thought you were painted pink.

[@WyldwychsRamblings]

No... well I'm kind of pink...pale pink/beige...irl.

[@flaturth1516]

Wyldwych, are you a Flat Earther Goth?