Gotham Knights Rewrite | Revamped Heroes & Villains

[@GameDenColor]

I also went ahead and rewrote the side missions for this game because I'm obviously very cool: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZzOpox8l9t4bK8

[@mooregames7527]

Damn the part with Alfred giving Tim the shotgun was actually a really powerful moment

[@LikeAFoxStudios]

I love the idea that Penguin has always been cast out from the Court of Owls. I think you could go further and imply thats where he gets his name, like he's "never going to be an Owl, just a pathetic penguin" idk I feel like theres a connection there.

[@jonathanhibberd9983]

I love that!

[@shawns6748]

I think that the game should’ve focused on the history of Gotham, the 5 original families basically controlling it, and the centuries long conflict with the league. So the Wayne’s and Arkhams aren’t part of the court, but the Elliot’s, Kane’s, and Cobblepot’s are. I’m thinking about writing a small treatment and seeing this video makes me want to do something similar

[@michaelmurray8134]

I was thinking the same thing. The idea of 2 of the main families of Gotham going out to do their own thing while the remaining 3 decided to form their own group sounds very interesting

[@Jay_SGE]

Didn’t know Gotham was like the Soul Society 😂

[@TheSpiderGwenTM]

I think for the solo missions, they should be more in depth with villians for each character. Tim gets Anarky and it's a little buddy up, Babs gets Firefly or Killer Moth. Jason maybe Joker or Scarecrow and Dick gets two face maybe? small little 5 minute story bits that introduce characters. Or maybe this could be dlc idk I just want Anarky to be comic accurate

[@anza3007]

Dude, I would KILL to se Tim and Anarky on a buddy cop mission.

[@boppyb2528]

No offense, but you cannot Tim and Barbara B- and C-tier villains for their solo missions and then just give Jason the Joker. Heck, Scarecrow and Two-Face would be villains too significant for just solo missions.

[@TheSpiderGwenTM]

@@boppyb2528 but I NEED Tim and Lonnie desperately

[@him6439]

​@boppyb2528 well isn't killer moth the first villian batgirl fought? Sounds like a significant villian for her

[@TheSpiderGwenTM]

@@him6439 yea that works, and maybe Dick can get firefly or smth instead of two face. Jason would also need a b-c list villain

[@flowbot159]

Having Tim focus on bringing Bruce back via a Lazarus Pit is a great thematic thru line, and I love how it resolved in your re-write. Great job!

[@pepita2437]

Not to mention this is actually in character for Tim, he tried to do the same with his biologycal dad, when he died, and even with Bruce (in the comics)

[@neverknown2054]

I think it would have been great if each knight had their own side-campaign specifically dedicated to them, with one villain for each of them to fight as the boss. It would’ve also been cool to add more members of the bat family as dlc, such as Azreal, Batwing, Batwoman, etc.

[@pepita2437]

Yeah, big opportunity was missed there. Esp because the fact that Nightwing has very deep connections to the Court (he was actually chosen as the next Talon of the Curt but they left him alone after Bruce adopted him because they did not want Batman to know of their existence) Not to mention Dick's great great grandpa was one of the greatest Talonof the court, William Cobb.(who actually hunted Dick down and wanted to force him to join the Court, and become a Talon himself)

[@Victor-qx3vx]

Great video! 26:25 this right here was supposed to be a joke though. I think you know that. Honestly, what broke my immersion on that scene was Montoya’s reaction to realizing Jason was alive. As for 29:41 - Ra’s and the Court are pretty much opposites. The Court represents the corruption Ra’s wants to extinguish. He was furious at Batman for never seeing the bigger picture and, in his naive way of crime fighting, allowing the Court (although unintentionally) to rule Gotham unopposed. Bruce not even knowing about them is just further proof that he has failed Gotham and is not fit to fight injustice.

[@michaelmurray8134]

Congratulations! Like what you did with Arkham Knight you fixed some of the main problems while also improving on the good mechanics of the game. The post credit scene with Kate Kane sets up a good sequel game. Also for what I would have changed I add a few more Side missions with other classic Batman villains because I felt it was lacking in that regard only focusing on Harley, Mr. Freeze, and Clay Face.

[@gunstrokethecybertronian8659]

Yeah, totally. It feels binge worthy. But I feel like the death pit thing is unnecessary. For starters, it has an untold amount of skeletons there, two I'm pretty sure even the Court knows that they can survive almost any fall as they have eyes everywhere. Since Batgirl has the cape to slow down falls. Jason, with his powers to slow down, falls, not jumping across on a green circle since I'd like to see how he would be the one person to do more parkour on rooftops than the others do getting around aside from the Bat-Cycle. Not to mention their grapplers that can attach to most surfaces and be used to slow down their fall. But yeah, it's a good rewrite. Although I'd like to know more about Kate Kane first before I discuss my thoughts about the post credit scene since I only just saw her in Batman: Wayne Family Adventures in Webtoon. Since it feels off, like why make the flashy entrance against Montya in the first place? Plus, Kate Kane is also Bruce's cousin. So, she was bound to be related to Bruce somehow and even made a connection with him, but not like a deep connection with the other knights

[@Ghkugbdghbmkgvbnh]

This seems a lot more cohesive than what we saw in the game. Something that occurred to me as I watched this was that I think there were potential gameplay opportunities that weren't utilized, but would have made the story more impactful. For instance, instead of opening with Bruce's death (cool as the cutscene was), they could have had the opening scene of the game be you playing as each of the knights, taking down a different villain, cutting back and forth between each location. Each character is faced with a different challenge (e.g., stealth, fighting, traversal, puzzle-solving) with the difficulty spiking sharply as you cut back and forth between them. You nearly fail as each character, only to be rescued by Batman, who helps you finish the level and take down the villains, establishing that you're overwhelmed and Batman is the guy who saves you. You're not just told that this is how your character feels, but you experience it with them. There's probably a better way to implement it, but it just seemed like such a missed opportunity to work within the medium.

[@pepita2437]

That doesn't make sense. At least in the case fo Jason and Dick. Dick is relatively 'old' in this game. He have been a vigilante without Batman for more than half of his career by this point. He led several different superhero groups (confirmed in the game) He had his own city, connections etc. He does not need Batman to save him. This would be a huge disservice to the character. Also Jason was shown to be Batman's equal as far as phisical strenght goes, and he trained with all the masters that trained Bruce. And additionally he was trained by the League of Assassins, and worked for Talia. Again, Btamn swooping in to save him would direspect these characters.

[@Ghkugbdghbmkgvbnh]

@pepita2437 Like I said, there's probably a better way to do it, but my intention was to illustrate the potential to use gameplay mechanics to serve the narrative. Frankly, I think it's a little ridiculous to be insulted by Batman saving characters (most of whom have saved him in other games and stories), but even that could be worked into the narrative. They could have Jason be a whiny little baby about how he didn't need to be saved, have Dick joke about the situation, have Barbara analyze what went wrong, and have Tim feel disappointed in himself for failing to do what Bruce would have done. Then to demonstrate growth (alongside the player's skill increasing), the characters can overcome their struggles. Tim can recognize he's capable of doing things differently than Bruce, Barbara can learn to rely on her intuition, Dick can be more sincere about his feelings, and Jason can grow the fuck up and stop viewing someone helping him as making him somehow lesser. Again, that's not as fleshed out as it could be. I'd want to find a balance, so that they wouldn't lose what makes them unique characters by trying to make themselves more like Batman, but at the same time, have them come to appreciate who he was and what he taught them.

[@pepita2437]

@@Ghkugbdghbmkgvbnh Fair. It's just Nightwing fans are still pissed about how he was treated in Arkham Knight. He was beaten up by Harley (which is ridiculous, canonically he is ranked among the best 15 martial artists of DC, Harley is nowhere near the skill/strenght Nightwing has) and then captured/beaten up by Penguins' goons, and then held at gunpoint by Penguin. Likewise Jason was destroyed as a character in AK, they made a whining baby out of him, who is emotional, and outright stupid. Jason in the comics is a tactical genius, cold, calculating, and provides a logical counterpoint to Batman's philosopy. (he did not start killing in the comics because he wanted daddy's attention, he did because he realized the flaw in Batman's methods, and realized there are people/monsters that cannot be saved; and he realized that crime cannot be stopped, but it can be directed, and controlled so it does a little less damage to society,a nd to innocent people)

[@EST283]

37:58 woah woah, watch that difficulty meter, do u know how HARD it was to beat her?! She was literally like an elden ring boss because I used Tim

[@togaprentice9927]

I got this game less than 12 hours ago and I’ve balled my eyes out on more than one occasion (one in particular was after seeing a citizen blow up because I was too slow, but besides my point) I feel so connected to Tim in the game like I never thought I could… and I found myself reacting the same ways you described he would. Also, the ending of adding Batwoman and not the next game was Genius!!!

[@dubsquad156]

For the Batman and Ra’s fight, I always thought the motivation behind it was that Ra’s found out about the Court and tried to recruit Batman to his cause but when Batman refused on the grounds that Ra’s was going to kill every last member and anyone related to the court Ra’s then tries to kill Batman thinking that he too was corrupt. Edit: Also if I remember correctly some of the promotion material also said that Harvey Bullock was supposed to be working with Montoya what happened to him?

[@damanireynolds45]

Actually, you're kind of right, What did happen to Bullock? We don't even see him in the game, and there's no mention of him, neither!

[@Sam_Gunn]

I like this but my big problem with the game is the same as it is in the video, the Court of Owls aren’t used as the main villain despite being labelled as the main villain

[@bladethecomicnerd]

Dude your rewrite videos are amazing, keep up the great work

[@zarrstrudeltributemaker314]

Lol in hindsight everyone can come up with better

[@QTRemnant]

Y'know, the more that I see what happens in the story, I can see similarities with other Batman projects besides court of owls. The story sounds like it was a mixture of court of owls, son of Batman (movie), and Batman bad blood. Overall, great video and rewrite. My only nitpick was the league change because the league of shadows are a real faction in the comics, so I didn't see the need to change it. Well maybe we could have changed it to the league of Lazarus (another faction) because of the heavy use of Lazarus powers (Wouldn't be exactly like the comics version, but it could work).

[@joshuagordon5323]

I enjoyed this game a lot (Currently on my 2nd playthrough) But I feel I would I have enjoyed it a lot more with this story. Are you going to do a rewrite for side villains stories, I feel they were too short and too few, I feel there should have been at least two more big bads, with at least five missions for each villain. But I'd like to hear others views.

[@S7AR2024]

Been super exited for this video, product does not disappoint

[@conormitchell309]

What I love most are the elements about the Knights not coming together in the beginning, showing their differences and then Kate's post-ending. I think it opens it up to a sequel or even story based DLC where some other Batman/DC villains could've been added.

[@SuperJxl]

it would be nice if the game gave more importance to the different characters

[@scottmemelord6130]

While I enjoyed Gotham Knights gameplay. I do agree the story was definitely it's weakest point. It's like they created the ultimate Batman sandbox first and THEN created a story around it. So it's great to see someone actually fix it. Now, if we ever get a sequel or something hopefully the devs learn from their mistakes.

[@JCoolPlays]

I think there should have been a moment where Dick breaks down emotionally in front of Jason. I forgot how I wanted it to play out specifically, but I did want it to have them bring up their relationship and experience with Bruce and compare it to each other’s.

[@pepita2437]

That actually would have been cool. Since most of the fandom thinks Bruce handled Jason like some red headed stepchild, actually it was Dick, and Tim who were treated poorly by Bruce. Bruce genuinely tried to b a father to Jason (and to Damian) while he did not do the same with Dick and Tim. (Bruce was relatively young when he took in Dick, and treated him like a partner, little brother instead of a father; in Tim's case Bruce was still mourning Jason, and couldn't really let tim close to him, and even when later he adopted tim because his parents died, he pretty much neglected him emotionally) At least in the comics. Who knows what really happened in the backstory of the game.

[@popcornninja7983]

I enjoyed Gotham Knights but I really enjoyed your rewrite of the story just comes together way better

[@dancooke8811]

Christopher Nolan called them The League of Assassins....Comics called them The League of Shadows

[@SuperSanity1]

Other way around.

[@ajmag20044]

dude i found your channel a couple days ago and just have been binging all these arkham videos and than this drops! keep up the awesome work!!

[@melmeron7843]

I have to say, i liked how the game somewhat fixed the Harley-Problem many people had with her in the Arkham Games. In Gotham Knights, she's not treated as nothing but the Joker's idiotic weak henchwoman who couldn't even BARELY scratch Batman, but an actual boss-fight that actually felt somewhat like a threat, and given how early her Bossfight was in the game, it was a pretty good first bossfight imo.

[@lionofjuah2796]

“Where Tim suggests killing Talons and everyone is like Ahhhh… Fuck you.” That had me lmao 😂👏👏

[@Foxster_13]

I haven't tried out Gotham Knights myself, but I have seen clips of it, and it seems pretty okay. But I liked your rewrite and I think it's a little better. To be honest, from what I've seen of the game, the story isn't that bad, same as the overall game, but it still could have been better and I feel that you did that. Didn't change much, but also didn't need to. I would be curious as to what you'd do for the main side stories, like Freeze and Harley, obviously not going into full detail, but it could cool to see if you would change anything.

[@sharod8504]

This was absolute genius. I think I would have enjoyed the game 10 times more if this was the actual version. I really enjoyed the story. Thank you for this.

[@cinemagraphic6324]

41:52 - Yeah, let's...not, and SAY that we did.

[@mtfelizabeth9481]

This is pretty small, but I was thinking that maybe you could have Phillip Kane instead of Jacob Kane. Jacob is traditionally more of a good guy part of Batwoman's supporting cast and I think Phillip Kane could serve the role of Bruce's crooked uncle better without messing up any potential Batwoman stories or DLC in this universe

[@seanfulldark]

I am looking forward to your rewrites of the side missions of Gotham Knights. Personally I would be more tempted to have it where the Gotham Knights side missions are linked to each one of the Knights! Which means yes I would be adding more side missions but considering that this could be utilized as a DLC I think it would work well. Also would give the game more longevity, now for the versus matchups Jason versus Freeze slightly change it to freezes working on trying to resurrect somebody else than his wife maybe be his son or daughter that Nora was pregnant with just before the big freeze and then when she was thawed out she gave birth to the child the child is now suffering from similar side effects that freeze himself is having and he is trying to cure his child knowing full blown he can't cure himself anymore. This gives a reason why the regulators are constantly breaking into laboratories while he's killing off certain scientists instead of him heavily re referencing his old stuff from heart of ice I love that story but it's needs to stop being reutilized. Plus maybe even a hint that freeze can't let go maybe his child actually did die he's just imagining that it's been cryo affected like himself and he didn't kill the child could be interesting. Keep Harley versus Babs for the most part I think the storyline works the idea that it's very much a hacking storyline combined with the disarming of the bombs and drug crazes this works really well and thematically plus you can add some extra tiny tidbits of jokes like saying and how's your back feeling, or do you feel a hankering for some of your painkillers. Now for Tim getting a course clayface because let's be honest here I'm a big fan of that one storyline and clayface is storyline kind of worked with this one as well because he is constantly going around killing his other selves by absorbing them and we know that's what he's doing. We can still have it where like each one of the Knights trigger the first round but corresponding secondary rounds require the particular Knight to trigger. And yes I know there's only three and we need one for our boy Nightwing now while I would love Ventriloquist and Scarface because we've never gotten the actual good mission storyline for them this doesn't really feel like Richard's story(yes I cannot use his real nickname because darn sensors and I want this to show up in your comments) but we all know who would also be taking it pretty hard that Bruce is dead also Batman is dead and is a big time villain yes I'm talking about Harvey! So I'm having it where Harvey he's first entrance which triggers with any Knight is you find a coin a gangster who could also be listed as one of the members of the court of owls one of the low ranking ones naturally killed in an unique way you have to use your investigation mode because we rarely do that and also I kind of like the idea that since we don't have Ridler and we kind of need more puzzles in the game I mean most of it is very combat heavy and we get one or two puzzle implements and we designed an entire puzzle system for it we might as well actually use and abuse it why not do it with breaking the one rule of Harvey system which is random chance, he has death traps with either low ranking quarter of owls or people he suspects are involved in Bruce's death that's why we get to have cameos of some of the lesser known villains like maybe some of the criminals from blackgate are also listed as possible people you have to rescue from Harvey's death traps they're all triggered by him flipping his coin and landing on to the one inside that determines if the trap is getting started or disabled and they are judged freely. PS: yes I am currently your writing of the rewrites of Arkham knight side missions! And seriously you kept teasing us Scarface why didn't you give us Scarface he's in the Arkham games, heck with your rewrite for giving Harvey a outlook against the gangs I kinda think it would be very interesting if each one of the banks has a security system based off of the mafia bosses and one of them is Scarface maybe that one could be really utilized as the final boss one where you have dummy hostages they're actually mannequins!

[@jaylennash5058]

Can anybody please tell me why the fuck this story is infinitely better than the one we got….

[@sup3414]

Cuz the bitch that wrote this "story" can't write for shit.

[@reeverto]

I only hear Edward Nigma when I listen to your voice!

[@ethandoyle4978]

Great rewrite , honestly the main is change was to have all the knights working together in the final boos fight , appealing to Bruce .

[@mihalhsanyfadis3421]

When The knight finished telling bruce about the case u should play bruce wayne against talia while the knight has to fight the court. After defeating Talia bruce realises that there's only one way to end this and then he sacrifice himself doing the same he does in the game

[@jacobscrue]

Tim should've really been a bigger part of the game in general, this is so similar to his Red Robin run, where he works with the league to figure out Bruces death.

[@InReserveProductions]

Personally I feel either the Court or the League need to go, having two sercretive cults of assassins vying for control of Gotham muddles the plot and creates a rift in who's meant to be the main antagonist. Either the League killed Batman and resurrect him to be their own crazy assassin or the Court did. It simplifies things and gives the story a tighter focus. WB Montreal have a habit of not focusing on a singular big bad, and it's detrimental to their games.

[@victormedina1600]

In that case, introduce another (less important) gang or faction in their place. This is just to maintain the variety of enemy types.

[@InReserveProductions]

@@victormedina1600 Absolutely, you need someone to fill the gap, so someone like the False Faces or that gang from Snyder and Capullo's run that bolt a metal muzzle around their faces would work nicely. Either that or have another villain and their gang like Cluemaster or Calculator, someone small enough that they won't distract from the main story but can cause enough damage to be a side story.

[@BigTexxy]

I've always thought it should have been red hood, nightwing, red robin(Tim drake), robin(Damien Wayne) and then oracle behind the computer

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Man i dont know what to say but incredible that was good

[@AdrianHernandez-mu8cm]

Will you be doing a rewrite of the side missions and maybe add two or more missions?

[@JP-1990]

Hopefully with more villains included.

[@flyingbird8695]

I like your fixes but ngl I think that Talia twist was predictable and very disrespectful of her character both in this video and in the game, Talia is not some "manipulative psycho bitch"

[@lathburg]

Could you do a video about a Teen Titans spin-off of Gotham Knights with the already confirmed characters? I honestly think that there’s so much potential for it if it was to ever happen.

[@benthomas4426]

I really like this. Good job 👍🏽

[@BallinVlogs]

Batgirl needed A Game FORGET EVERYONE ELSE

[@reidcunningham5906]

I actually really like and was a big fan of Gotham Knights. My main issue was the costume designs were too busy.

[@NovaVortex193]

When you said the knights (temporarily) split up, it was instantly more evocative than anything in act 1 of the actual game.

[@thecreeperlord4556]

Here’s hoping you do a side missions video! Would like to see if you think they need reworking (and if you’d add any, cuz idk about you, but I felt the game lacked a strong sense of villain diversity, and you’d think there’d be tons of villains in the wake of Batman’s disappearance.)

[@fallenknight7208]

I think for dlc they should have done more story focused stuff like a Batman prequel dlc sum more stuff for the knights maybe even a new character for the main game yk

[@SpicyHamSamson]

Honestly one of my biggest problems with the game's story is that they made Jacob Kane, who has never been associated with the Court of Owls until this game, a central character of the organization. Now you may be wondering why exactly that's a problem, but let me phrase it this way. They took a character who, since his inception, has been Jewish, and made him leader of the bird Illuminati. Hopefully, you see why this could be a poor decision.

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

Imagining the Knights fighting Batwoman sounds... interesting

[@prodigal_1759]

Thank you for not putting that dumb comment on cops, rich etc like why tf Bruce would be scared of them ? Its so dumb

[@kwayneboy1524]

How is it dumb?

[@thedarkknightdetective2559]

I love this rewrite

[@AltUTimegod2006]

I would have added Joker in the post credit scene too

[@ryokunoko3158]

Im going to have to ask if there was any other reason to call Alfred Big Belfri Daddy

[@ethan-not-a-pastafarian]

Should have just been the Knightfall Protocol’s aftermath instead of Ra’s killing Batman

[@benpowell-punmaster1214]

26:37 pretty sure Montoya was joking.

[@dancooke8811]

This is written ALOT better than the original 🎮

[@jacearmor5274]

We need a part 2 after the credit scene?

[@dashreesh]

If I had to rewrite, I would make the actual villain the court of owls.

[@empty_melodies]

Good stuff right here

[@ObitoUchiha38200]

My prayers are answered

[@wiggard]

These videos are NICE

[@redviego6714]

Just finished the whole thing and I think my main issue with the rewrite and the original is the role of Tim Drake. I get that you're trying to tie everyone to certain tropes/themes, but I feel like the young hot-headed energy doesn't fit well for Tim. It's very much a thing that works closer to Damian and a lot of the rewrite felt like you wanted to just replace Tim with Damian and it shows from even the description. Tim and Ra's have a relation in the comics with Tim being the only robin to earn Ra's respect for both the detective work and combat prowess. The shotgun scene also feels shoe horned in because it doesn't work with the characters as much or the scene cause they are fighting zombies and your story literally ends with batman murdering CoO members in an explosion. The ending and Tim's roles need a rewrite and I think the easiest fix would be having Tim take on his role of 2nd greatest detective or teen titans leader. You could then have conflict arise more from Nightwing and Tim butting heads over opposing leadership ideas.

[@redviego6714]

@GameDen I think most of the story can stay roughly the same, but the ending should be changed to all the knights being present and the fight forcing you to shift between the knights vs bruce. It gives you the closure for each character with Talia assisting bruce and trying to kill you. This then can go to bruce realizing the truth, get a brief heartwarming moment, followed by a single applause. Introduce the CoO arriving in with the leader of theirs hacking the system. Have the knights fight through the talons to keep them from going, and then Bruce pointing out that if they freeze them, they can use the stuff from Freeze to have batman do some icy explosion to freeze himself and the rest of the talons, and asks the knights to collapse the place after otherwise it would be too dangerous to let the talons loose.

[@redviego6714]

As for the situation with Tim, you have two options. Have him play as a robin who just got back from the Teen Titans. He was the current leader (hence the boom tube) and his whole character arc can be blaming the others for Bruce's death while also blaming himself for not being there. He thinks that if he was there, he could've stopped Ra's, saved bruce, and etc. He can have the harsh comments towards the crew and during the split, have him contacting cyborg for help decrypting files or something. Have villains like Harley and Talia question where the boy wonder was these past few months. Have Tim eventually come to terms that he blames himself and not the others, and that he got caught up stopping demons and mercenaries a country away, he let the ones he cared for get hurt. Have the final fight against Bruce be of Tim apologizing for not being by Bruce's side and Bruce eventually telling him he's the best of them (comic wise bat fam does talk about how Tim is the best candidate to be the next Bat). You can still have scenes of conflict with Tim looking down on the others and having to bring his ego into check eventually. Alternatively, you have Tim as the active robin, make it that red hood and nightwing were operating elsewhere, and batgirl had been retired for a bit. The character arc stays the same where Tim this time blames the others for not being there but in reality he blames himself for not protecting Batman, and everything else becomes more comments and conflict of Tim being questioned for his adequacy and trying to work alone and prove that he doesn't need other's help.

[@watershipfalls5520]

I thought Gotham Knights was a fine game, The wholseome Moemnts were Fantastic!

[@billybeeeeeeeeee]

game needed a top to bottom rewrite/overhaul

[@whatsgoingon5230]

I laughed so hard. BIG BELFRY DADDY! Lmao

[@lovjam16]

Awesome rewrite, can you do Avengers PS5 please?

[@adrianhurtado1404]

MAKE AN ARKHAM VERSION OF GOTHAM KNIGHTS PLEASE

[@pinkdevil019]

THIS IS MUCH BETTER

[@TheRealTrueDizzy]

how tf is this better written then the game itself

[@Camdaltron27]

Arkham was beyond its time and made Gotham knights feel and look bad when it’s not, it’s a good game, Arkham was just too good

[@adrianhurtado1404]

Can you rewrite Gotham Knights but put it into the Arkham verse

[@khaledalassad7379]

The entire story needs a rewrite. Not some minor adjustments. It is that bad!

[@lovjam16]

Can you make Gotham knights 2? Like you did with arkume origins 2, please 🙏?

[@SonicHedgehog1991]

This dude is probably the only person crazy enough to fix the entire story but still keep the dumb scene when Bruce threw himself into the sword instead of, idk, grabbing it and disarming Talia?

[@Shadowkiller-dq2ju]

I honestly forgot about Gotham Knight

[@pogggaming4470]

I still hate that Talia didn’t die

[@jakobwolfe6551]

Aside from poor gameplay mechanics this script makes the game significantly better. With better dialogue and a story like this I may have enjoyed it more. It felt like they tried to get away from Arkham style mechanics, but we loved the Arkham games because the gameplay was so well done, and the dialogue was good. Even with stories that were a bit convoluted and sometimes easy to predict, and even with way too much of a focus on joker I go back and play those games all the time, but have uninstalled Gotham knights. They can do better, hopefully they get back to what makes these games work at their core

[@goodgrief5578]

I love the game to pieces but all of its flaws are obvious and I won’t fool myself into thinking it’ll get a sequel given all the reviews

[@joshuaashton1929]

I’ve seen so many cut scenes and different moments from this game, and I cannot get over how bad the character to character dialogue is. It’s either mediocre or cringe.

[@dancooke8811]

Great 👍 job

[@ronin2525]

I actually like the idea of Jason having weird mystical powers

[@thegloveofficial3838]

So many fans could have made the story better especially if they did something different and fresh. this game was not made by real fans😭☠

[@davewaveradio390]

The Court of Owls was a good story but why does everyone like them so much now? The aren’t particularly iconic. They’re just another secret society

[@Thisaintmeno]

Exactly they had so much potential though the writers should have took some elements of them from the animated DC films

[@sup3414]

This game had so much potential. Intead we got mediocre gameplay, cringe dialogue, eye rolling SJW politics, character disrespect, uninspired and predictable story, and a dull open world.

[@celtic19]

Gotham knights was f*cked just from the set up of the game alone Montreal an arkham developer wanted and try to make this game its own thing in its own universe but then proceeded to tread the exact same ground as arkham did we have batman gone and have a Harley Quinn riding solo, Tim Drake as robin just like arkham we’ve got an active barbara as batgirl but she’s been been oracle before so again could of just happened in arkham verse and we’re giving our other limited villain appearances to characters like mr freeze man bat penguin the league and clay face All characters who had the limelight before in arkham this game should of set it self up to be something completely different that has a real reason to not be arkham and here is how I think they should of done that. My rewrite wouldn’t be starting with just the death of batman this game will fully dive into the world that arkham knight and vr teased but didn’t go through with meaning this games premise will start with what if Batman went rogue (under mind control from raas) and killed his main rogues gallery (the cast of villains from arkham asylum game) this will have the game itself starting just like the original and having batman have enough will power to be aware he’s been compromised mentally and killing himself within the Batcave just like he does in the original game What we have now is a game that’s set up perfectly to be an elseworld story that’s completely separate from arkham in trajectory but arkham fans have a reason to be interested in as it was something there batman overcame but this one didn’t and we can play out a game where not only are you playing with the batfamily instead of batman but also going up against villains who haven’t had the limelight before that are filling the power vacuum

[@TallMist]

There's one thing that I would change in your rewrite. I don't want the story to become the Harley Quinn Game, the story should not revolve around her, so please don't misinterpret what I am about to say; I do think Harley needs to be more of a presence. DC wants Harley to have a stronger connection to the Batfamily, so why not do that here? Instead of her just being locked up in Blackgate and running a generic "take over the world" plot, the Batfamily are impressed with Harley's information and, seeing how she hasn't actually had a violent outburst in a long while, or whenever she has she never hurt INNOCENT people, they take her with them to the Belfry. One really great thing that the Harley Quinn series does is have Harley learn Bruce is Batman and make her a sort of therapist for him when he really needs it. They could integrate that into this game, where the Knights learn this has been going on for some time, and she could play the role of a sort of therapist between the Knights. For a lot of the game, if tensions begin to rise a little, Harley could try to mediate with them. However, once tensions begin hitting their peak, it stays between Grayson, Barbara, Jason, and Tim. She does not need to get in the middle of pivotal scenes, at least not the most pivotal ones, given we again don't want her to steal the spotlight, but it gives an opportunity to add a fan favorite character into the mix. The Knights could even have a moment with themselves when they're questioning if they should really be trying to step into the enormous boots that Bruce left behind, and one of them could point out that Harley is living proof that Batman's methods work and that SOMEONE needs to be there to help rehabilitate the villains, giving them all a small confidence boost in continuing their mission. They could handwave her not being playable as the Knights not really trusting her as a vigilante just yet, given she's not completely rehabilitated, so she's still kept up in the Belfry. I know a lot of people have said they're sick of Harley, but if the game is going to use her, then it should at least utilize her properly. I LOVE that the game gives her her own agency away from The Joker and, unlike the Arkham games, actually takes her seriously as a villain. But it's still not without criticisms, because her involvement in the main story is very limited already and her side quest is... generic. If this idea strives too far away from what the game is going to do and we HAVE to keep her as a side quest as opposed to integrating her to the main story, then at the LEAST make her side quest about her trying, and failing, to stay good and show her struggling with herself and end it with The Knight that takes her down assuring her that they're impressed with how far she's come. At least then that gives some weight to the main story whenever they talk about considering killing anyone or something. I know this suggestion might not land with a lot of people, but I feel there's just a lot of potential in including Harley in a post-Batman-death Batfam story, even as a side character. Also, I am not a professional writer, so if this just sounds really, really bad, please keep that in mind. I'm just a person that's passionate about this character.

[@ChrisTownsend98]

Okay, I like your version of Gotham Knights, but Kate going to Catherine's place for revenge on the Knights is really out of her character. Especially since she had a shaky relationship with her father and not liking Catherine. It'll be better if Taila paid her visit, but not Kate.

[@chatyxd6078]

So I've been thinking about my own version of Gotham knights, this game would be less of the game we got and more like four different mini games bundled in one package. I'd like them all to play differently so I don't think they could all play in one game even though there are certainly a lot of gameplay similarities between the cast. The plot would all be one offs with the four robins; Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian. These would all take place after Batman's death and show the characters grief and growth, I generally think these all take place a year or more in the future to allow these people to grow out of Bruce's shadow. These aren't all to connected yet in my head, there more just love letters to the characters. Dick is either leading the teen Titans or I'd prefer if he's on the justice league. His story would show that he is truly his own man, he does his own thing and isn't held down by Batman. While generally combat is similar I want Nightwing to be acrobatic, like ac or mirrors edge level parkouring around the map and taking out foes swiftly. He bounces between foes using his fighting prowess and electric batons to take out thugs. Red Hood is a character I know a lot about but have strangely never clicked with so I'd get someone else to help with the story. My idea is after Bruce's death he goes full punisher mode and is just tearing through Gotham. By the end he probably comes around to being less blatantly villainous. Gameplay would be a third person shooter with a melee gun fu fighting style. Dick and Jason are the least stealthy in the group, Dick just runs through encounters and Jason has a ton of weaponry allowing him to take out his foes with precision. Tim has joined Cassandra Cain(more about her later) as the new dynamic duo. Tim's story is his usual stick, he's a workaholic and incredibly self conscious. His gameplay is way more stealth focused, he has tons of gadgets and features to allow him to stealth his encounters efficiently and fluidly. Damian has grown up into a teenager/young adult and wants to avenge Bruce similar to Jason. However while Jason lashes out wildly, Damian is much more focused. Damian is hunting down Rhas al Ghul, maybe Tim helps him locate his grandfather. Damian plays like an ac, Tsushima, and sekiro. He uses ninja stealth and samurai sword skills, I kinda like it if Damian doesn't kill but keeps his sword sheathed. Damian has a bird that would function like the ac origins bird to help with stealth. He fights Rhas and probably doesn't kill him in the end because revenge bad. Cassandra cain has become the new Batman and her dlc would just be a beat em up, her stealth is bare bones but her combat is in depth. I think Batgirl is to similar to Tim in gameplay and I think Barbara is more interesting as oracle. Now for the real seller. A BATMAN DLC, this would be the big thing. When you first play it your from the perspective of a thug while you slowly get picked off by Batman, this plays like an alien game. The goal is just to survive. After eventually being caught the game switched to Batman, the night of his death. Batman has everything from everyone. Jason's intimidation, Cass's martial arts, Tim's gadgets, and Damian's swordsmanship. Batman is just overpowered as hell. We watch Batman and joker fight for the last time, during the fight Bruce has to choose between a girl who is in danger and the joker, Batman saves the girl, leaving Joker to die and apparently being killed in the action. In truth Bruce lives but overcome with the guilt of jokers death, and his growing age he chooses to disappear off the grid. We're shown a cutscenes of Selina Kyle on an island with Bruce, where Superman appears, flabbergasted that Bruce is alive and joyous to see his friend again. I'd like to imagine that Bruce leaves a clue that Tim or Dick finds that eventually leads them to discover he's alive and everyone meets up at the end.

[@jacobellis2313]

So you are going to keep the batman mass murder and double suicide in along with making batwoman evil. Going to have to pass but I did like the shotgun.

[@GameDenColor]

"I'm not going to kill you, but that doesn't mean I have to save you either." Never said Batman mass murdered anyone, he crashed his plane into a magic pool to destroy the contents in a last ditch effort before he lost his mind and control again. Cave comes crashing down as a result, hey maybe don't be an evil organization putting yourself in that situation to begin with. As you can tell by the ending, it's implied no one was killed anyway. Also, did I say Batwoman was evil? Even within the small tease, it's clear she doesn't have full context for the situation. Typically, engaging narratives start with the characters in one place and have them progress into another place. Spoiler, she'd become an ally by the end of a hypothetical sequel.

[@Gmnjsav97]

I would take the game as is with just one tweak and that is Damian is Robin and not Tim. I very much like Damian as Robin.

[@starhound45]

I do like this, I do. But no way should that rich people speech be changed. We don't deserve nuance for that.

[@rohanclancy7435]

Idk man would’ve preferred more intelligent writing in that regard.

[@rohanclancy7435]

Idk man would’ve preferred more intelligent writing in that regard.

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@rohanclancy7435 how so?

[@ianthurston5165]

I don't mind the speech being changed, especially with how pandering it's sounds to today's politics.

[@sup3414]

That SJW liberal speech has cringe AF.

[@nafisishtiaque]

Game should not been a gss

[@AidenAlias]

I have no proof but This game was 100% supposed be "Gotham knight" Singular and was originally gonna be the follow up to Arkham knight, batman is gone and Jason goes on a redemption arc in his absence Then either rocksteady either disapproved or when they told DC /WB that suicide squad would be in the Arkhamverse they decided to pivot the story then slowly the whole thing changed to both make it clear this is a different world and everything.

[@KeilMoshow]

It doesn’t need one

[@WatcherPrime]

Bruce's final speech about "ThE rIcH" was always cringe-inducing, so your idea for it was far better in theme and tone.

[@sup3414]

The writer and the devs are dyed-haired SJW liberal freaks. What did you expect?