Is it Immersive? - Full 1986 F1 Canadian Grand Prix - Automobilista 2

[@GPLaps]

Looks like I accidently did this on the 91 layout instead of 88 :D I blame that they're out of order in the UI! But not a huge deal, the final chicane is the only real difference Guess I'll have to do it again sometime...... 🙃

[@hangingchad_]

This is awesome, Jake. Makes me want to get back into AMS2. The early 90's F1 cars are cool, too, but the turbo monsters never get old. No fancy electronics, with h-pattern boxes and crazy power...😮‍💨

[@LilTiddyTwista]

nah, it's totally a big deal, dude.. now you'll have to redo the entire video. We, your loyal viewers, expect the new version by monday night. and no: muscle soreness from this marathon race is not a valid reason to be a slacker on your weekend. just kidding, keep putting out great content. It's always a joy to watch your videos. Very informative and makes me wanna jump in the sim rig every time.

[@luxmundi4236]

This was great! Loved watching this. You should totally give AMS2 a chance for a full season championship! It's amazingly cinematic races and your style commentary would make it a blast to watch.

[@danieldp380]

Maybe a late Ritchie Axelson comeback to F1 with some mid table team to try and put them in a decent spot in constructors

[@RobJaskula]

​@@danieldp380in my head that's a perfect season for his son to make his F1 debut, with Richie having been unfortunately killed at Spa (I was waiting for GP Laps to say it when he had that big crash in the kink)

[@Ikuconodule]

Your car control is sublime, Jake. A couple years back I did the whole 86 season in AMS2 and Montreal was by far the hardest track. I couldnt for the life of me keep the tyre temps under control, yet you're making it look so easy here!

[@fredscratchet1355]

An amazing race Jake. The battle with Lafitte was fantastic. Thanks for the effort it's much appreciated.

[@steve1300]

I just finished a season with these cars, what a blast!! One of the most rewarding cars to get fast at that I've driven. I found that staying right at the bottom of the turbo range through corners really helped keep a good pace up, bouncing off of the gas pedal. Awesome video man, this was a treat to watch

[@daren42]

You had my full attention for the whole race. Can't say much better than that. Good stuff. Brundle got his F1 break with Tyrrell, and spent his first 3 years with them. He was good mates with Ken by all accounts

[@Pozer714]

Cool to wake up to GPLaps doing a mid 80's long, retro GP race.

[@GregzVR]

@27:07 - That's exactly how I feel. Retro cars on modern tracks with current sponsors etc, does indeed feel like a modern historic event, rather than an actual event in period. I try to avoid that as much as possible.

[@mxracinguy5993]

And yet you all have Crew Chief running in the background...

[@GregzVR]

@ Radios were a thing by the mid 80s. Ahh, I remembered you’re the guy who complained about having music in my videos also.

[@mxracinguy5993]

@@GregzVR Yep, two things that don't belong in a classic race simulation. As I recall radios in the 80s were very crude and the amount of info didn't include pep talks or constant track and atmospheric temperature updates. Maybe I'm just a purist that doesn't get excited by eye candy (or in this case, ear candy?). Give me a H shifter and I'll drive the car. Anything else is just a distraction.

[@GregzVR]

@ Well I guess you may have a viewing decision to make. 😊

[@siwhite_]

@@mxracinguy5993 You can customise Crew Chief to turn this off. It has a whole bunch of custom options. So if you don't want crew chief telling you about brake temps you can turn it off. Don't want pep talks and encouragement etc, then turn them off too. Then you can save the settings as a new profile.

[@joao_kula_01]

Man, this was so cool. Great drive! The battle with Laffite was epic. :D

[@evilman667]

Aaah a good old classic GPLaps race. Thanks i missed your uploads man

[@BeanDip96_]

Hell yeah! Just did this same ish running the turbo-4 at Adelaide the other day. Love these cars, been hooked on classic f1 in sims since the OG 1991 F1SR mod in rFactor years ago.

[@asleeds]

The corner where you are getting understeer has an adverse camber. A fair number of drivers have understeered into that wall on the outside down the years.

[@depapier]

I wonder if the Senna technique of driving a turbo F1 of that era works in the game: he used to jab the gas pedal during the turn to keep the turbo spinning and avoid the kick when going on power out of turn.

[@frazermorgan8232]

Absolutley awesome and great driving. Bravo sir!. Loved this. Thanks so much. I would love to see more full races or a championship if you were up for it.

[@BunkerFox]

I'd love to see more full races in Automobilista 2

[@RyanE8787]

1986 was actually the last year the old pits and start/finish just after the hairpin was used. In 1987 there was no Canadian GP due to sponsorship conflicts, so the circuit owners built a new more modern pit complex before what is now called the Senna S.

[@nigelsouthworth5577]

Thanks Jake. I really enjoyed this race. And very well done.

[@davidcoates9123]

Really enjoyed watching that Jake. Keep it going mate.

[@GregzVR]

You may have picked the wrong Montreal layout, it looks like the 1991 version with the tighter final final corners. The 1988 layout with the much faster final turns was the one you needed, but that's a minor detail.

[@GPLaps]

Ah you're right, dang! I was thinking "I remember AMS2 having the faster chicane" - Guess i'll have to do it again sometime :D

[@BunkerFox]

@@GPLaps You'll have to make it up by racing the 91 F1 cars around the 88 layout

[@AidanMillward]

You're crazy XD

[@GPLaps]

certified

[@-DoomWalker]

Your videos are great. I watched every lap

[@bernardausterberry9795]

Great vid. BTW the island was built for World Expo 67. Which I was lucky enough to attend on a school trip.

[@truantray]

The island was built from the earth dug out from the subway system. Still the only track you can get directly into by subway. Shame they only race one weekend a year and no other series.

[@conehed1138]

What a race, and what a battle at the end! Didn't plan to watch the whole thing, but the time flew by. You make these cars look so easy! I wish I could run a full race like this, but I can hardly stay on the track for more than a few laps in these turbo monsters

[@RonniePeterson]

Absolutely epic! Keeping that beast on the track for 70 laps and without blowing the engine. EPIC!

[@rANdomiZER5273]

Love this content man! More long form races! You also should give the "high" aggression setting a chance on a longer race, I quite enjoy the AI on that set at around 108!

[@cyberfutur5000]

Wow! That was so good, thanks for sharing, I could almost hear Murray Walker sometimes. Great effort! I for one love all the full AMS2 F1 races. Maybe you could do like short seasons, with just the tracks that are there, but over multiple years. I really hope they'll do a Monaco pack or something, some day. WIth a 60s monaco and an 80s or 90s monaco or both. But I'd love a sixties monaco.

[@truantray]

Unless I'm not mistaken...I very well am mistaken!

[@miker0n327]

The Gen1 is a handful, I usually take the easy route with the Gen2 McLaren. LOL! Thanks for taking the time to put this together.

[@donleblanc2669]

I just saw this ! Omg , this makes my day !!! thanx Jake

[@Bequeefed]

Wheel to wheel action from start to finish, just like the 80s again, great drive!

[@FloridaManRacer]

100% loved this. Full races with even a truncated season for the tracks they do have in the sim would be excellent. Any of the Formula Classic cars or even the F- Hi Techs would be so much fun to watch and follow along with like the ICR2 seasons are. GREAT video and very good race.

[@CurtOntheRadio]

Nice! I was at the 92 race won by....Gerhard Berger! I can see a few minor things 'wrong' with the track, looks more like a later iteration. I was just off to the right of the start/finish line: Senna, Mansell, Schumacher, Berger, Alesi. The sound was incredible, at the start especially, and it all seemed way more dangerous than expected. I think it was about $12 CA. We got caught speeding on the way there in a 5.0 SC Mustang Cobra GT. Woop. :D

[@Dethmeister]

He accidently used the 91 layout instead of the 88.

[@RobJaskula]

That 85 Road America race is a ton of fun. Jones on the podium and the only with for Uncle Jacques!

[@conehed1138]

I would love to see a full season! Or, like you have done with some previous videos (Ronnie Peterson, Michael Schumacher), it would be cool to see an "iconic drives" type of series where you try to recreate performances from specific races. "What if" scenarios would be fun too

[@DobieMeltfire]

30:55 You can't pause to change strategy, but you can disable the strategy menu from disappearing, so it stay open permanently until you close it. At least you can make small changes during straightaways.

[@tobiisboolin397]

Love this longer video on these cars. Hope to see more!

[@danechristison1896]

Always love a bit of 80s F1

[@Arkham_UK]

Loved it watched it all ❤ the most amazing thing is you talking all the way through 💪

[@altransamaltransam95]

Ile Notre-Dame was man made in the 60's, using the dirt extracted for the Montreal subway system; it was then use along with near-by Ile Ste-Helene during the 1967 Montreal International expo "Terre Des Hommes"; then in 1977 the go-ahead was given to construct the track to be ready for the Canadian Grand Prix in October 1978. There are still a few of the original expo structures left, most famous are the Montreal Casino which was the French pavilion and the Biosphere as the United States pavilion. the basin was constructed early 70's for the 1976 Montreal summer Olympics ( I live 15 minutes from the circuit ) :)

[@andrewwright5189]

Brilliant Jake would love to see you put a season together, watching you battle there is better than the current real F1. Really love all that you do, your passion shines through and takes me along for the ride. 👍👍👍👍 🍾

[@stevezeoke]

1986 is the best season. My favourite is 1997. Thanks for a wonderful show.

[@GregzVR]

Grabs snacks and a few drinks...

[@Baird64]

Good job Jake loved watching this race hope to see more of the same please keep up the fabulous content.

[@zagadape109]

Just watched "Senna" documentary and this popped up. Talking about synchronicity ;) Let's go.

[@timonsolus]

Watched the whole race - and really enjoyed it! Absolutely felt like a real race the whole way through - except when Jake had a poor start, but still gained 5 positions on the 1st lap through "cheesing" the AI. Got my vote for more full races, and for a whole season if possible. Even though it's not possible to give the cars the proper team names in the sim, doing so in a offline scoreboard would make up for it.

[@de-fault_de-fault]

Don’t get the comment section wound up about that BMW turbo in the B186, it’ll go from 800 hp to 3000 hp within a couple comments

[@LRSNRCNG309]

This is fantastic, the best era of f1 with one of the best f1 specific tracks ever 🤟🏻

[@KkRech]

Awesome. More of longer races plz!

[@Jay_The_Cat]

Jake, I don't know if you've seen a documentary called "1986 Equinox Turbo The Cosworth V6 Turbo for the 1986 F1 Season" here on YT. It's well worth a watch. 😀

[@stephenhoward3130]

Your knowledge of historical information amazes me.

[@tslater2005]

These cars in AMS2 driven in VR are a absolute blast🎉

[@tygroshong6653]

So cool that we have this in the modern day

[@StancedVacuum]

thumbnail immediately hooked me. 🎶I'm yoour turrrrrbo loverrrr! 🎶what a violent machine

[@joaomarcon-g8h]

Hey Jake!!! Great , I love 80 s F1 years. One detail, I noticed that this game only allows 3 models, 3DO cars, in this mod1986 I noticed that the cars are Lotus T98, Williams FW011 and the infamous Arrows A9. Regards, J¹O.

[@adammercer6004]

Alan Jones was Haas Lola lead driver alongside Patrick Tambay in 1986 as they were not just the Lola Factory team but the Ford works effort too. Also you shouldn't have fuel stops for the 1986 cars to properly simulate the racing at the time as refueling was banned in 1984 and for 1986 fuel was capped to just 195 litres so the racing at the time were kinda high economy fuel runs!!!

[@Ikuconodule]

I don't know if it's still the case but, before it wasn't possible to complete race distances in AMS2 in these cars without refuelling. All the AIs would retire around the 75% mark.

[@adammercer6004]

@@Ikuconodule Yeah I wouldn't now be suprised at that now that I'm hearing about AMS2 AI from everyone here.

[@truantray]

Many races ended with cars running out of gas.

[@tozzeNilsson]

Thanks!

[@postmax81]

Really cool! One thing I think would not be so advanced is the radio communication as I think telemetry was really basic back then. Radio quality probably would have been much worse too.

[@MikeVlcek]

Watched the whole thing. Amazing :)

[@loicalex]

A full F1 race with the Benetton B186 ? I won't miss a bit

[@redneck982]

Great job,well done.CHEERS🍻🍻🍻

[@m73m95]

This is definitely one of the best eras of Formula 1... But I still can't believe how exposed their heads are. They sit so high in the car, their heads just flop around out in the open. Who looked at that and thought that was ok? 80s or not, that's wild!

[@TakeAGuess-e6o]

No reason to not think it was safe. They have helmets and a roll hoop, there hadn’t been a head injury-related death since Helmut (ironic) Koenigg in 1974. And nothing short of a closed cockpit would’ve saved him.

[@m73m95]

@TakeAGuess-e6o That's some interesting logic there. Absolutely nothing unsafe going on. The drivers being absolutely buried in the cars now, topped with a titanium hoop is just to appease the cry babies and worriers, huh? 😂

[@defenderbwe]

Watching this at work 😁

[@bmoney2011]

I have no idea how these racers drove these cars... everything about them is absolutely mad scientist kinda stuff.

[@petere8129]

Throughly entering Grand Prix, very realistic. I have the same skin pack and those cars are beasts to control which is something I struggle with although I can see why the drivers loved those cars back then the punch from the turbo must have been something else!.

[@ciggy_]

1:12:40 perfect example of why we need the *raise fist* command in modern sims

[@aarongreen121]

You can do it in AC in vr using the controllers. It reflects your actual arm movement.

[@VirtualMayhem]

Definitely a ull season, full length.

[@arride4590]

Finally the best simracing

[@tonygee3284]

WOW AMS2 is so good now. Lap after lap of fun in this sim. Watched the whole video was great. How did you get that dash on your screen.?

[@DaveAdams222]

More of this please!!!!

[@dinxsy8069]

cracks me up how everything is referred to as if it's a real race, AI, he/him. Be a good story to tell 🤣

[@CalBeau5]

5:01 would love to see a Jon Jones and Piquet trackside fight

[@I_Punch_Demons]

These cars are so hard, bur so fun.

[@Old_Catholic]

Oooooh, wide screen!

[@timonsolus]

1986 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal - Historical Results: 1. Nigel Mansell - Williams-Honda 2. Alain Prost - McLaren-TAG 3. Nelson Piquet - Williams-Honda 4. Keke Rosberg - McLaren-TAG 5. Ayrton Senna - Lotus-Renault 6. Rene Arnoux - Ligier-Renault ... 17. Gerhard Berger - Benetton-BMW - Retired (Turbo failure) Lap 35 Only 12 cars (out of 24) finished the race - 12 DNF and 1 DNS (Jake William does better than poor Gerhard Berger in this race!)

[@garethnoble3378]

@gplaps if you haven't already please look up Johnny Dumfries (1958 - 2021) aka John Crichton-Stuart, 7th Marquess of Bute from Great Britain. Window cleaner to F1 driver as well as part of the landed gentry.

[@TakeAGuess-e6o]

Seeing the generic classic F1 cars in AMBS makes me wish so badly for a new Grand Prix Legends focused on the turbo and/or 3.5L era of F1. I wouldn’t care if they used fake names for the teams and drivers, just some sort of singleplayer career-focused classic F1 game would be my dream. Add in the team management stuff from the old motorsport manager games, B spec mode from Gran Turismo, rivalries stuff from Nascar Thunder…

[@leighcull1212]

@GPlaps Have you run into any issues with a possible memory leak when running longer races in AMS2? I'm not sure if it's actually a memory leak, that's just what I've seen it referred to on the AMS2 sub reddit. For me and a few other people we are having decreasing frame rate and increasing stutters the longer the race goes. Have you experienced this or know anything about it? Love your videos and keep up the great content!!

[@GPLaps]

Yes i definitely have, only since 1.6. I seem to be ok on the first attempt at a race but if i have to restart the fps will slowly decrease until its unplayable

[@leighcull1212]

Good to know (or maybe not) that it's widespread issue and not just a few of us. Hopefully they can find a fix for that soon!! So far I've found turning off opponent pit crews and lowering the graphics helps a little, but it still happens. Thanks for the reply!

[@GPLaps]

i found it to be more common running over 26 AI as well if thats any help

[@leighcull1212]

@@GPLaps Yes forgot to mention that too. I was running max AI and it was unplayable after a few minutes. Lowered it to 34 along with the other changes I mentioned.

[@ziggybowman6875]

This would have been a nice early sunday release

[@64ElMariachi]

gotta qualify! that way cheezing the AI at the beginning is much less likely to happen.

[@ymeshulin]

05:24 is the a driver's right hand showing through the cockpit?

[@Corvoreviews]

for the qualy in the same day, in the championship you can quit after you finish a session and you canreturn on other date to continue the session, if I remember, you can also do that in sigle races, in any case you have the option to edit, at least, your starting position, that could help, one thing that should be ridiculous to do, but sounds fun anyway: race the f1 cars around cleveland hahahha

[@bennerdan]

Can you please explain how you know where your opponents are so well without triple monitors? Thanks, love your stuff

[@GPLaps]

The audio helps, but also just doing it for 30+ years

[@timonsolus]

@@GPLaps : You're an experienced racer - but Fernando Alonso has still been racing for longer than you! ;)

[@ByteSizeThoughts]

Would love it if you could borrow someones Quest 2/3 and give AMS2 in VR. It wont look as good in terms of graphics settings but its wild and crazy immersive!

[@w06machete23]

What UI mode is that ? Btw we need more of this ❤

[@TekkenOnlineFights]

How much did you pay for the whole driving wheel and seat etc? looks really amazing!!

[@Leviatan23]

With this selection of era and car, maybe it would me more appropiate to run the Mexican GP86... (I suggest)

[@smokincrater]

Where does one get all the liveries from?

[@bshepa9502]

How’s the AI? It kinda looks like they just ‘drone along’ and are way too predictable. I really want to get AMS 2 for this, but just curious how the AI behave. Thanks for all the great videos over the years!!

[@defenderbwe]

its not perfect by any means but if you want to play vs AI its one of the best(along with iracing, le-mans and F1 games), its one of the few where you can go door to door with AI and they wont kill you.

[@nanookrubsit]

Hairpin is shorter now as well.

[@leonelbarros9084]

What app do you use to show gap ahead and behind in lap by lap?

[@Lasukie]

I've just shut off crews altogether to avoid the crews phasing into the track bugs its only a moderate change to immersion really

[@sneakyturtle305]

Hi Jake i haven't really checked into AMS 2 in a little whie but how have you found the AI overtaking each other during blue flag scenarios? last time i checked out AMS 2 with the Formula Hitech cars the AI would get stuck behind back markers and they seemed to find it difficult to maneuver around lapped cars. I'm wondering since you have been playing it pretty recently if this has been addressed with recent updates?

[@GPLaps]

Thats exactly what i was looking at in this video. They do well

[@sneakyturtle305]

@@GPLaps Ah that's awesome, it was probably the only deal-breaker for me with AMS 2 but i'm glad Reiza have improved on them since then. Will definitely find the time to watch this fully later when i get home.

[@junkor0140]

What do you use for the crew chief

[@truantray]

Uh..Crew Chief?

[@paulvanzyl2385]

Been playing a lot of AMS2 recently, from Group A, to the vintage formula cars and now currently doing a ton of modern endurance. Gotta say the AI at most tracks at the settings I'm racing them at are great to race, but they still got a few issues and you can see them when doing modern multiclass endurance racing (the endurance and the IMSA preset). I run the AI on 100 skill, medium aggression and standard mistakes for 90% of my races and like I said they work well at most tracks and cars, but at the Le Mans circuit at certain fuel progressions they like to constantly run out of fuel which is frustrating but still drivable. At daytona road course they are probably one of the worst wheel to wheel racers against each other (they race fine against the player though) crashing each other out in the bus stop and putting each other into the pit wall at T1 which causes way to many FCY's to be able to do any racing. Hope they can fix some of these issues cause AMS2 is at the moment probably my favourite sim to race.

[@khalidadisa2786]

What is the AI level abd aggression?

[@GPLaps]

110 and medium

[@khalidadisa2786]

@GPLaps I see. Maybe the high aggression level might make them defend more

[@HAWGGY85]

0:23 McLaren doesn't look like McLaren from 86.

[@rafaeltait1203]

There are only 3 car models for 1986, the Williams, the arrows and the Lotus, so the skin makers have to get creative

[@JamieAtSLC]

I read “Is it Immersive?” in the same voice as “Will it Blend?”

[@germancortes1437]

Man the start of the race reminds me the onboard from Johnny Dumfries Car on Adelaide that is in the intro of the 1986 F1 season review video.

[@truantray]

I was there in 86, Mansell won it easy.

[@LJW1912]

Turbo Lover! I too like Judas Priest

[@ElShogoso]

Playing a bit of GP2 lately and holy cow how has AI gone so backwards in racing games? That 1996 game has the most life-like AI I ever experienced in any racing game, and I don't even like formula one that much