GPU PCB Breakdown: MSI RTX 4090 SUPRIM X

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[@projectc1rca048]

Bought my RTX 4090 Suprim X back in March and so far so good. It is a beast of a card and does everything I want it to do while going above and beyond expectations. In terms of coil whine I've been fortunate enough not to have any with my particular model at least so far from what I can observe. I've been running the card on the gaming bios and out the box settings. Great informative video as always my guy, keep up the great work.

[@ryanocallaghan8833]

I managed to get one of these day one so I've had it for 14 months now. I was not quite as lucky in terms of coil whine - there is some noticeable coil whine on mine. Nothing too obnoxious or out of the ordinary though, it whines less than the Asus Strix 3080 I had before it.

[@mstgames7572]

Thank you for information

[@streamroller1974]

thank you so much.The best 4090 pcb ( looking at matrix now ) and best looking 🎉 I had the same thoughts for the input-output filtering. the moment I got my Liquid X in January. Glad to hear your voice for this matter. I think it is actually better pcb then Strix. Because in MATRIX PCB they upgraded to Suprim level ( 26 phase and power stages afaik )

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

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[@maximus3294]

this is definitely the first moment of all time

[@aapje]

RIGGED

[@joseperez-ig5yu]

You're always stealing the limelight from us BZ!

[@Nebbia_affaraccimiei]

TLDR: he wishes he could measure it.

[@hubertcumberdale8175]

There is more to filtering than total capacitance, as I am sure you know. Smaller capacitors are for higher frequencies. You will often see a micro that requires you to have a whole group of capacitor sizes on its power rail. This is because the size of the capacitors affects its optimal filtering frequency range. Msi must have had limited problems with the lower frequency transients and wanted to filter out the higher frequency ones.

[@gabrielecarbone8235]

best videos to have morning breakfast with

[@shpingalet7895]

Professor! How do you know all that? It's amazing :) Thank you very much for the review! Super-interesting 👍

[@joseperez-ig5yu]

They call him Professor Zoid at the University!

[@Pandemonium088]

I wonder what took so long! Great work!

[@corey.shuman]

The 4090 Gaming Trio and Gaming X Trio use the exact same PCB, but a significantly cut down 18x NCP303151A 50A power stages for the Vcore, reduced capacitor count, and 4x 50A stages for memory. That said, I've daily-driven my Gaming Trio at 450W with a custom bios and water cooling since release and it's been rock solid. I've even done some short overclocking sessions up to 550W. It seems the Suprim X is massively overbuilt, which is cool to see honestly.

[@Th3Fly1ngCow]

my gaming trio is on water as well with the suprim X bios Ive pushed it 500 watts during speed way plenty and its been rock solid

[@McDudes]

so should I just buy a Gaming X Trio and save some cash?

[@Th3Fly1ngCow]

@@McDudes unless your trynna chase 3D mark records specifically the gaming trio is a fine 4090 unless something is around the same price

[@cutcorners6005]

Very nice. Please do the gigabyte one too. It's not amazing but it's maybe the most common 4090, specially gaming OC. TPU has the images for gaming OC. Aorus Master is identical except with all stages populated. I like to see how you rank these 3 designs from msi, asus, gb.

[@crashbug4343]

Second this! Please do the gigabyte gaming oc whenever u can!

[@kreozello]

I count that card being the best at terms of the PCB build quality (26 phase design) & price compared to most powerful types such as ASUS Strix (24 phase design). And especially by the price. Because you often could snipe one for less than 1700 and even 1600 usd new while the top tiers like ASUS Strix or KFA2/GALAX HOF often being sold for 2000+. Which is a nonsense^2 😂

[@DeridderEvelien]

i got this card and its a beast 0 coilwhine

[@AutodidactEngineer]

Are there any advantages on replacing the SMC fets to 3 pronged vertical (more powerful ones!?

[@Dabbler85]

In overclocking, or otherwise, how your account for two Vdroup constants with a split VCore power rail?

[@brentneumeyer3088]

Can you get pictures of the 7900xtx? I'm thinking about getting one and you helped me pick my last one. I'm also planning to put a mechanical oc for on the fly buster. Not for gaming but if I can feed it input from the tempes and science 😅

[@pf100andahalf]

What does "put a mechanical oc for on the fly buster" mean?

[@jonboy2950]

On the PCB why cant they be designed so the power connector is on the bottom right hand side instead of the top? Would make it far easier to connect the card to the power cables, makes it neater and easier to fit inside smaller cases.

[@aapje]

The cooler is much longer than the PCB, so then the connector would be hidden in the middle of the cooler.

[@pf100andahalf]

@@aapje If you used needle nosed pliers you could probably plug it in, probably.

[@dris9274]

i realy don't know why they dont change the position of that connector. it is placed on the worst side and in the worst direction possible

[@Sebyllis7350k]

@@dris9274imagine the power connector on the display ports side.

[@dris9274]

@@Sebyllis7350k ahhhh :')

[@toonnut1]

I've got the 4080 of this have you done a video of that?

[@hostile_1866]

I had two of these with bad coil whine. I think the chances of getting a good one are alot better now. Perhaps they made a revision.

[@hostile_1866]

@dersmoodoofreak Sounds brilliant, i had a silent 3080 Suprim, thats why I tried to go the same way again this gen. A really good test is Red Dead 2 at max settings, Native 4k. If it doesn't scream then you have a winner!

[@jonahhekmatyar]

I only noticed a coil whine if I played a game with an unlocked menu and the frame rate when up to +750 fps, lol.

[@branchprediction9923]

i have the same gpu, bought it the first month it released and yes it has massive coil whine.

[@Mr.Catsmen]

I bought one in April and the coil whine is not bad, i have send many gpu's back cause of coil whine. What i found intresting and what makes me think they made a revision is that the serial sticker on the back plate is a silver color in tone with the backplate instead of the black one it used to be.

[@hostile_1866]

@Mr.Catsmen Is the serial number above the power slot, or to the far left? I can't recall the colour of my new one but what I did notice was newer units had it to the furthest left as well. :)

[@christianflex4all]

Do you have any vids on the on the nzxt n7 b650e motherboard?

[@djsnowpdx]

I have this graphics card! (Air). For its class it is very quiet, roughly matching the noise performance of the Sapphire Nitro+ 5700 XT, if not slightly beating it acoustically… while being 4x faster and having a 4x higher launch price three years later. Huh.

[@imadecoy.]

Will you be covering any Zotac models? :P

[@funtaril]

I hope he will, I'm particularly interested in AMP Extreme AIRO edition

[@kreozello]

​@@funtariliirc they has shittiest pcb version with 3 phase design (bruh). Pretty interested how he will adress it!

[@mcgmgc]

I take it I can go for the air suprim and flash the liquid bios on the air one?

[@abdallahhanoun807]

Please do Consider the Acer Cards Intel and Amd. Thanks!.

[@itsloganbtw5355]

Interesting boards. Could you maybe do the Galax 4090 SG/HoF?

[@concinnus]

He needs good photos. Usually that means TechPowerUp, who don't have formal photos of any Galax 4090s.

[@itsloganbtw5355]

@@concinnus Ah, I see. Thanks for the info.

[@dvr1337]

​@@concinnusi can send them one

[@va02gaming]

Do you think flashing a OC model bios to a none OC model is perfectly safe?

[@WarkWarbly]

Oooh naughty GPU O_O

[@dvr1337]

Bought the galax sg oc best decision ever

[@Whoadayson]

ninth, pretty good for me!

[@BaBaNaNaBa]

can you flash the 600W asstock BIOS on any other 7900 xtx? Does the VGA BIOS just regulate the power limit and some basic IO? Or is it likely to brick any other 7900 xtx?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

AS long as your card has dual BIOS there's no real risk to just flashing the BIOS.

[@BaBaNaNaBa]

so i can't blow up the card via VGA bios flash? just brick it?

[@jjlw2378]

Do you need a CH341A programmer to flash AMD gpus? I know they have amdvbflash but it seems like it doesn't work on 7000 series.

[@joseperez-ig5yu]

Hey BZ, you need to have the card in hand in order to use your oscilliscope on it!

[@Whoadayson]

Nvidia is working on a virtual scope simulator, similiar to their online gaming service. So BZ can scope it over the net 👀 🤦 JK of course...

[@imadecoy.]

Good idea, you should send him one.

[@Silent_Tentacle]

I got a question. On RAM overclocks, with intel, is it worth dropping tRP lower than tRCD? For example 15 tRCD 14 TRP?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Skylake to Cometlake the IMC didn't have a dedicated tRP register it just uses the tRCD setting for both. The LGA1700 IMCs have a tRP register so lowering tRP does help performance . Though not much since precharges are kinda easy to hide for the IMC.

[@Silent_Tentacle]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking thank you

[@turagkhan3469]

Hi

[@nazgu1]

Yay, another literally-not-a-review pcb review! :)

[@winebartender6653]

I do like the empty pads they left, allowing us to add additional filtering if we want (which is what I did). Just bought a boatload of 470uf's and threw them to the output pads and the enpty ones behind the memory as well.

[@subbot8077]

Any noticeable benefit w/ overclocking?

[@winebartender6653]

@@subbot8077 10s of mhz maybe? Like 30 or so if I remember correctly

[@dris9274]

are you serious?

[@winebartender6653]

@@dris9274 Seriously about what?

[@dris9274]

@@winebartender6653 you soldered yourself capacitors on the empty places?

[@tashimlo7954]

Nice does this mean MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X AIO can be swapped into MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Suprim X waterblock if I decided to swapped later on?

[@greggreg2458]

Alphacool's waterblock for the Suprim (air cooled) also works on the liquid X, check compatibility from the waterblock manifacturer.

[@snowhawk4049]

Doesn't the MSI 4090 Gaming X also have a fuse for the memory power delivery? The PCB should be very similar.

[@dris9274]

according to techpowerup images yes the gaming x trio has same fuse

[@benchvirgin4243]

Can't wait till you do ZOTAC AMP EXTREME AIRO 4090 !

[@marekciostek1458]

48x 220= 10 560 on SUPRIM X 35x 470= 16 450 on Strix But is there a difference in too overpowered voltage regulations?

[@Whoadayson]

What prgm is BZ using to draw on screen?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

GIMP

[@Whoadayson]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Thx!

[@mahpooya-damavand]

Are they built this PCB for reuse on 4090 Ti?

[@krystiankowarek6679]

My Msi rtx 4090 suprime x

[@funtaril]

no u

[@SilentMechanic01]

EVC pads anywhere???

[@winebartender6653]

Yes, bottom right on the front. Is the larger pad/through hole set of 3

[@SilentMechanic01]

@@winebartender6653 thank you!!

[@Hogdriva]

Do the giga 4090 OC pls

[@stepbruv8780]

Gigachad 4090?

[@FeintMotion]

subrem eggs :DDDD

[@greggreg2458]

I stopped caring about 4090s pcbs when i heard that you get amazing performance at 65% power limit. I get 29k+ points in Superposition 4k optimized with my 4090 Trinity @65% power limit (under 300W). I'm not saying understanding if a PCB is good or bad is wrong, it's very useful and i really appreciate your videos.

[@dreamcat4]

well the matter why i keep watching is because of the matter of coil whine. which is indeed something buildzoid seems to care 0 for, yet surely capacitor policies on the board design may either improve or worsen. its impossible to make a high power modern nvidia gpu without 'enough' caps (and potentially the right types or combinations to cover deffeciencies of the other types being used). but the more caps has to be on the board, the more likely that 1 or more of those mlccs will enter one of several categories failure modes. which results in the mlcc capacitor singing (aka coil whine, but it could indeed be a coil, either/or). anyhow what i find interesting about your comment here is that at those lower power target, then the intensity of any coil whine (if present) should typically also be reduced... so then this concept of having fewer populated capacitor locations. (so some left empty cap pads than are actually isnt populated)... it seems to be entirely a very interesting subject indeed! and heres why: because if we do what you are doing. and permanmently lock a card to 65% of the default rated power target. and it never 'goes above 65%' in the end usage.... (for gaming, although maybe ai compute workloads should also be benchmarks and considered too before going ahead with this idea...). ok then. but in this situation then the manufacturer then indeed has soldered 'too many caps'... some of which might have failed and be causing the coil whine. so the concept of removing 35% of the caps on the pcb no longer seems so daft (if you are having serious coil whine noise issues). and there would be never much reason to replace such speculatively removed capacitors given a lower than spec power target. this indeed made your comment today pretty darn helpful, and i'm glad for stumbling over it. my gratitude

[@greggreg2458]

@@dreamcat4 I always cared a lot about coil whine, i have a custom loop and my fans spin @500rpm max (2 480s and 2 360s, both 55mm thick, push pull) my pc is very silent and so coil whine is very accentuated if present. I owned a 980ti waterforce, 1080ti Aorus, 1080ti FTW3 2080TI waterforce, and now my 4090 trinity. The Trinity is the best regarding coil whine, while being a lower tier card compared to gpus i had before.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@dreamcat4 the thing is coilwhine isn't really something anyone specs components for. Some of the noisiest inductors I've encountered on GPUs are also some of the most expensive. So without a card in hand(and potentially multiple samples) it is literally impossible to evaluate coil whine. Also in some boards it's not even the inductors that produce the whine but the MLCCs because they contract and expand with applied voltage.

[@dreamcat4]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking indeed and we are both in fact 100% in agreement here about all of the relevant specifics. and the mlccs and all that. what i am mostly considering for is how some of this in turn then is relevant or impacts onto actual coil whine diagnosis and repair process... since indeed cannot be fixed at factory. maybe they can do some limited subset of things, but clearly when you put thousands of mlccs on a board then ship it out... any 1 or more of those can fail randomly in the users system days/weeks later on. and well after any burn in testing... such is the fundamental physics nature of these things then becoming piezoelectric transducers and all that. (but) what i found quite amusing in my research is that maybe for the best way to create some special instrument to actually semi-locate and (ballpark) track down where is the singing mlcc to get rid of... it would most likely be a modified piezo contact microphone... which then itself also another form of a ceramic crystal oscillating away. that the faulty cap is vibrating (at some well understoof frequency)... to then make the other crystal vibrate to then actually pickup the sound. and capture as audio signal on the pc. and measure amplitude intensity etc. as you probe around the board. which is quite amusing sort of way to go about searching for such things when you spend that long obsessing over / think about it... but anyhow i got the radeon 5700xt in the end (and not any nvidia one). so nevermind! as being an amd card it has literally 0 coil whine (unlike literally every single nvidia card i have ever previously owned).

[@pmarciano1717]

@@dreamcat4i got 5 strix 4090 till now and sended back again all 5 of it because of that crazy choilwhine then i tried the gigabyte one because they say it has not that problem and indeed there is no choilwhine on there i want to know why asus doesnt care about that

[@CalvinJary]

Refunded this card due to coil whine. Got the gigabyte waterforce instead. Cool and quiet, runs like a dream

[@Hogdriva]

My giga 4090 oc doesn’t whine either. Honestly i’m willing to have a worse pcb for no or less coil whine

[@aldvelothi755]

my card had some pretty bad coil whine as well, but after taking off the cooler and soaking the card in oil from an old transformer i found at work it’s completely gone. obviously had to clean the chip really well before reattaching the cooler

[@bakakafka4428]

Did it crack yet?😁

[@iDeparture]

My 4090 Suprim liquid x doesn't have any Coil wine and it was $1700. I feel like coil wine is hit or miss no matter the card have heard people with so many different cards that do have it and others don't.

[@tristankordek]

🙂👍

[@andrewvirtue5048]

Now Buildzoid he's the damnedest dog that I've ever seen Got a nose that can smell an SMD fail He's an overclocking hacking machine ~Blake Shelton, probably

[@joseperez-ig5yu]

BZ is famous for being a machine!

[@jonatinoo]

Had two of these cards both had awful coil whine.

[@redclaw72666]

My liquid x doesn't 😅 clocks hella good

[@PaulHawke1337]

First!

[@seby9123]

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[@butanding1987]

First.

[@josebonilla101]

Not first

[@Teatime4Tom]

MSI: We've got a really pretentious product name, but how do we make it cringe worthy?

[@TimBaoht]

Graphics cards are the ONLY thing I'll buy from MSI. I HATE their motherboards.

[@redclaw72666]

Unify x is hella good

[@easa1912svk]

Actually, for current generation, both Intel and AMD, they make the best boards available - and this is coming from someone who had nothing but utter hatred for this brand for years.

[@iDeparture]

​@redclaw72666 yeah idk why they didn't make one for 700 series mbs

[@user-bg2yn5ts7u]

много воды........

[@miguelfernandez2325]

For me is the Strix all the way.

[@dvr1337]

Worst card. Not even the best, highest price and many coilwhine

[@miguelfernandez2325]

@@dvr1337 MY 1080 TI STRIX HAS BEEN WORKING FOR 5 YEARS FLAWLESSLY, HOW ABOUT YOURS.

[@dvr1337]

@@miguelfernandez2325 ye back then it was a good product.

[@dvr1337]

@PixelMoments774 best pcb but 0 fps increase just stupid price marketing. Oh and btw its not even close the best pcb. Ever heared of 4090 HOF edition?:)

[@redclaw72666]

​​@@miguelfernandez23255 years for my msi 1080 ti lol 😅 bought a msi suprim liquid x no coilwhine and clocks hella good and cools a lot better than Asus, did the Asus tax did it hurt your wallet lol Asus is getting weaker every year Asus going bye bye soon

[@robles634]

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