Watercooled RTX 4090 - MSI Suprim Liquid X

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Hooked up to a 240mm radiator, this should be one of the coolest RTX 4090s. Here's what I think of the MSI Suprim Liquid X.
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[@C7SUS2]

Watching this like I'm ever gonna afford it

[@bongkem2723]

in 3 years it's gonna be $700 max

[@alksdng97834y]

give it 7-10 years bro

[@taylorfrancom8784]

Watching this like the scalpers are ever going to stop buying all of them

[@aohjii]

@@alksdng97834y i might be dead by then who knows i dont got that kind of time

[@Ashik7525]

watching this like it's mine

[@mattspeed]

They definitely should have been put 90 degrees adapters on tubes exiting from the card

[@sopcannon]

cable mod is working on it apparently

[@tomppeli.]

@@sopcannon Note: tubes I haven't heard of replacing AIO tubes, but cablemod is definitely working on the 90° 16-pin cable adapter

[@EarthIsFlat456]

Yes the positioning of the tubes exiting from the card is just awkward if you mount it horizontally, vertically though it works just fine.

[@OscyJack-]

Generally 90 degrees is bad for fluid flow. So that's generally why it's not done. It taxes the pump and reduces flow rate, leading to less reliable operation and worsened cooling

[@bigturkey1]

i mounted the rad to the front of my case blowing out and then keep my side panel off

[@matty6804]

MSI used to have AIO cooled GPU, called SeaHawk series

[@FaridRudiansyah]

Yes, i think this is their first time under Suprim series.

[@bobhob35]

They made a RTX 3080 which is still an excellent second hand option even today

[@Parmenedes]

Nice review. That's the model I like the most. It's worth noting that having two bios's isn't just about having one be "better" in some way or even just different from the other one. It's nice to have two bios's because if something goes wrong with one of them, your card isn't bricked, and you can use the other one to fix/flash the other one.

[@thedeleted117]

bioses*

[@ToriTangents]

Biosi?

[@EIsenah]

Symbiosis

[@mikeoes1]

*Bice (Mouse/Mice!?) :)

[@BitesTooHard]

Biosees

[@wenhelxing]

Realistically, this card is one of the few 4090s that fits an ITX format. This generation of cards are just too big

[@n00buo]

Call it "developed for tards w money"

[@yurilopes420]

I don't even get why they're so fucking big, the pcb is the same size..

[@kli.4162]

@@yurilopes420 They draw much more power that needs to be dissipated. The cooling solutions are (mainly) why these cards are so thick.

[@zenova9926]

@@yurilopes420 COOLING

[@octoslut]

@@yurilopes420 Nvidia first intended to make 4000 on Samsung inferior 7/8nm node with target of 600w, then they got tsmc bidding and changed plans. they again tried 600 w on tsmc's node but that failed. so they made over-engieered coolers

[@Shurii]

i feel like we are going back to the era of liquid cooled gpu solutions for power hungry cards

[@boah-ist65]

Yes

[@boah-ist65]

But the 4090 fe got good thermals 62c at 38 dba

[@DTunezOfficial]

There's literally 1 card water cooled out of all of em

[@cipher.u.justice]

standardizing gpu AIOs is inevitable, they cannot scale with air to the demands of the increases in power each gen, the 4090 heatsink is as big as you can reasonably make

[@DanielGonzalez-wn6xo]

@@DTunezOfficial 2 watch the video

[@JonDaviz]

Excited to see the build with the new ITX case 👀

[@GodSEndOMG]

Good to keep you warm in the winter.

[@Mildly_Amused]

Typically with the last couple generation MSI cards that have the BIOS switch, the only difference between the game/OC profile and the silent profile is the fan speeds, not the power limits or GPU clocks.

[@danielpuljic8444]

The performance potential on this must be INSANE Price tag too.

[@boah-ist65]

Ye it pretty good

[@cipher.u.justice]

He benched it, it performs pretty much the exact same as FE even with an OC. The benefits are slightly better fitting depending on the case, lower temp, lower noise, etc

[@TerraWare]

It seems like overclocking is kind of pointless with these cards to begin with because of the voltage locks. You're talking about 5% performance increase?

[@EarthIsFlat456]

Insane??? Depends on what you're comparing it to. If you're comparing it to other 4090s then no the differences across all of them are pretty small and you certainly won't notice those while playing. It's the cooling, noise level and size that matter.

[@octoslut]

rtx 3000 and rtx 4000 don't oc properly as they are running near max limits already. not much headroom

[@jondonnelly3]

This would work well in the 011 case GPU side mounted exhaust. CPU top exhaust. Intakes bottom and front. No hot air in case then.

[@Swapnil638]

An in-case thermal comparison would be nice

[@alireza0019]

you put so much effort in your videos love your work you deserve more

[@basibazouk]

I am used 1080 Sea Hawk X pretty some time and I think MSI's hybrid cards like this pretty nice!

[@leonard6381]

We love your videos, Optimum

[@RockLeeMC]

the prices i'm seeing for the 4090's are fricken insane. i used to love building pc's, but greed has killed all my passion for it.

[@yosemitesam9576]

Or just… buy used lmao

[@kidzor16]

I know i ll probably get a lot of hate but..... it s actually worth it... playing 150+ fps on 4k is no small feat.

[@Drushkaa]

@@kidzor16 that part. Add a 77 inch 120hz 4k OLED display you're ballin

[@LydellByrd]

Been waiting for 4090 LC reviews. Can't wait to compare this to Asus & Gigabyte LC

[@JohnDoe-yv8yn]

was looking for something on this card thanks!

[@dandanthesaxoman]

I have this card with the rad mounted as top exhaust on my 011 and one thing I have noticed it just how fast idle temps are achieved after use, it's within seconds. Looks pretty nice vertically mounted as well.

[@DarkXtendoR]

cpu also water-cooled? if yes then where is its radiator, front or sides? also both radiators are set as exhaust right?

[@adamadam6351]

Same case here! Where do you put your CPU radiator with this configuration? I have my CPU radiator on the same side as the motherboard and then regular case fans on the bottom and top of the case. My GPU is air-cooled. Also congrats on getting this card , enjoy it!

[@dandanthesaxoman]

@@adamadam6351 Sound like the exact same setup position. Before the extra rad I had x3 fans on the top all as exhaust, 3 on the floor side as intake, 1 on the back as exhaust and the 360 with 3 fans on the side between the mobo and front glass. The CPU rad hasn't changed position.

[@deadhead4077]

Got this 4090 mounted in an 011 top exhaust vertical mounts as well. Loving it!

[@THE16THPHANTOM]

that +480w power draw really hits you the feels. every minute gaming i would be thinking about that. and my pc is on for more than 8 hours some days. wish there was a way to turn the GPU off completely and automatically switch to cpu graphics.

[@makatron]

This is the only one that I'm currently interested in. I've seen it going for 2,400 USD on ebay as of October 2022, but for sure this is the way I wanna do it.

[@Mildly_Amused]

I wouldn't buy from scalpers on eBay if you can avoid it.

[@AydenDevonny]

I bought this card today based on this video! I liked that it was only 280mm which is only 23mm more than my current card. I have a NZXT 510 Flow case so I don't have any room to spare, lol. Thank you for much a thorough review!!

[@MrHugeKevin]

Bro thanks for even testing fps and db sound - you’re the best reviewer!!

[@Usul-xp6ve]

Longer power adapter would be interesting, so you could hide the connectors in the cable chamber and sleeve the four cables as one thicker.

[@Mr_Sentoo]

the first reviewer to look at OC performance of the MSI Suprim Liquid X. Thank you for doing that.

[@jggg31]

I would love to see the review of the Gigabyte 4090 360 AIO version and see how it compares to this MSI 4090 AIO GPU. Please.

[@puciohenzap891]

From what I'm seeing the 360 rad does nothing? I have the 360 Aorus.

[@phai44]

Always great to watch you review stuff. no bs, straight to the point.

[@Equinox9337]

This card is just gorgeous. I really don't like the design of the majority of the partner cards for the 4090 and even Nvidia's isn't that good. This one stands out to me though and I think it looks sick.

[@beast9429]

Very clean looks love the functional design

[@___DRIP___]

Ali talking about $1600 4090s like he doesn’t live in Australia like us where they’re $3,000 lmao. Love ya work, mate. Been enjoying your videos the last couple years

[@bigdog3628]

one small gripe, I may have misunderstood you, but this was NOT the first aio gpu to come from MSI. They did a very similar looking variant for the gtx 1080 and If wrong on that then it was definately one of the 10 series gpu's at any rate. True it was a partnership with corsair, but I feel it should count. edit: Just looked it up and the name was the GeForce GTX 1080 SEA HAWK X. It has both the corsair and MSI logo on it.

[@ipodguy9]

I thought the same thing

[@CastIronEric]

MSI is great if you need warranty coverage for the pump

[@ryanscottwright]

Getting it as soon as they restock

[@K1LOGaming]

Been trying to snag this model. $150 for an AIO cooling solution 100% worth IMO

[@ChrisLeiter]

8:30 I top mounted mine and flipped the fans around to the other side of the rad as well - I found that pushing through the rad wasn't effectively evacuating the heat from the case, but that the fans pulling the heat through and up/away from the top was very successful. I'm using a Corsair 5000D with 7 fans drawing fresh air front and side. 13900k with Corsair 150 AIO, running temps are usually well within the 40-50 degree range on both CPU and GPU spiking around 60ish. (idle is 20-30)

[@Adulto357]

I've seen these for around 1200 usd surprisingly. All other 4090s are around 2k.

[@Jan-kh6co]

Yeah also in Germany these are cheaper than all other 4090s. Weird considering this one already has a cooling solution with it.

[@rhodopithrax]

Thank you, John Cusack.

[@Frankestein01nl]

Just one of these days, we'll be hanging up our PC on the outside of the house, just to keep the patio from icing over... Thanks for the review, much appreciated.

[@KJDatv]

I have it and let me say it is absolutely worth it. I can max out any game and easily run it at 120 plus fps. If you overclocked it you can max out anything at 240 fps and stay under 42 degrees celsius

[@bingbong6988]

still loving it? i’m trying to decide which 4090 to get, and would like to liquid cool it in a similar fashion to my cpu without doing a crazy custom loop, and this seems like the way to go

[@bommerop]

@@bingbong6988 did u do it, if yes how did it go

[@MrLincoln87]

Hate how AIBs have "normal" cards for MSRP, then (in 4090 pricing) +$200-500AUD for the "OC" version, which adds SFA performance. And of course, local retailers were out of stock of the normal cheap versions, some still have stock of the OC versions of course for higher money. Atlest the "gaming" versions provide better cooling so can run quieter (usually)

[@sausages932]

Yep. I can't notice the performance increase with OC cards, but I sure can hear them, lol

[@Sam-K]

Any idea on their future repairability? For example, early AIO GPUs, like the R9 Fury X, are mostly useless now because of coolant evaporation, pump issues, etc., and there's no way to actually repair them.

[@Ghost-hs6qq]

The price is not bad compared to founders edition card.

[@juselesss]

Hola, es muy importante tener en cuenta el calor extra de la Foundation que genera estando dentro de una caja, por muy refrigerada que este la caja, siempre sera mejor la que expulsa directamente el aire caliente hacia afuera

[@iSammax]

My two main concerns with this are pretty high memory temps compared to other models and pump failure/other potential AIO issues

[@makatron]

I'm sure the pump won't fail that easily, talking from experience never had one fail on me ever. But your miles may vary. Also if it fails warranty is there or just replace the pump yourself since they aren't that expensive.

[@makatron]

@@erisium6988 Yeah these pumps are designed to run at way so relaxed just so the pump last forever.

[@Mildly_Amused]

The memory is liquid cooled. I wouldn't worry about the temperatures. The video showed the memory junction temps of the founders card and the Suprim Hybrid being about the same during furmark.

[@jkell411]

The cooling is all from Cooler Master... Shouldn't be any problems besides the normal outliers.

[@makatron]

@Seola for what GN have stated these days, looks like margins are razon thin this time around.

[@LickyArc]

Previous generation also had this model. It went by seahawk

[@nitehawk4067]

Nice addition to my Nzxt H210i itx case !

[@Frankguligan256]

Also exhausting it saves the VRMS Temps cause that’s air cooled

[@ChrisLeiter]

I have this in a Corsair 5000D and it's SOOOOO nice

[@jamesmills4097]

erm msi have been doing AIO cooling on cards for years, they partnered with Corsair, the msi cards were called seahawk. and you could actually buy the cards direct from corsair

[@kandyrew]

Hmm is it possible to swap out the radiator fans on this?

[@polnapanda4934]

bro if i spend 1700$ on gpu I ain't saving money on custom water cooling

[@rdmz135]

but like he said this is better for performance

[@sqbronco1]

true

[@ronmagbanua8915]

Nice review for suprim x lc.. please do consider also reviewing gigabyte with 360mm aio.. thanks!

[@ruetolo]

Can you build an ITX System with 4090, like ichill frostbite, and show how the temps are with the different setups of radiators?

[@isaacomplex]

Hey Ali, thanks for mentioning the real world width of this card. This is literally the only 4090 that will fit in the Phanteks Shift XT that I intend to build in (> 3 slot, 240mm rad). Seeing as you are the only person I know of that has both the mentioned card and case, do you happen to have tried fitting the card in the Shift XT and does the width clear the top or do the tubes actually make it incompatible? Thank you.

[@SkilllessFlorid3r]

Great pun with the “unreleased” Video coming at the end of this month :D

[@CC-tf1wq]

Got one of these running right now, quiet and crushing games.

[@skyserf]

Can’t wait until the 5090s come out so the 4090s will be in stock.

[@00Cubic]

in stock at msrp

[@adpraeter9403]

There is the other aio available, the aorus one, i've never seen it in the US though, it's a completely paper launch, it's impossible to get anything online

[@dontfollowme4057]

You beat Gamers' Nexus, Paul's Hardware, and Hardware Unboxed to the punch. Good job. We all must understand our usefulness.

[@raysschoko]

that power increase is from the pump on that card to run the AIO!

[@Oldsah]

After MSIs Fiasco with the CPU AIOs I would never ever buy one without being absolutely sure it is good.

[@jimmyvelasquez5638]

10 months after this video gets posted and im nowca proud owner of this exacr card!

[@WilliamCammish]

What's your thoughts on something like the Alphacool Eiswolf 2 AIO????

[@spdcrzy]

I find it hilarious that the PCB hasn't physically gotten any bigger - it's actually SMALLER than most 20-series cards used to be. It's just the cooling requirements are ridiculous nowadays. I'm actually kind of impressed that AIB manufacturers haven't melted the PCBs with all that heat and current going through them.

[@EeK9X]

What's going on with the memory temps of this particular model? All the reviews I've seen have the VRAM running hotter than all air cooled cards! Great video and analysis, as always, thanks for the high quality content you provide!

[@jkell411]

It runs hotter, but not to an alarming degree. Shouldn't be an issue unless you're just comparing directly to other cards. The blower design here just isn't as good as other flow through designs. The one benefit though is that the exhaust is directly exiting the case rather than heating up the inside.

[@-zerocool-]

ASUS need to some out with an AIO if the rest of the competition does it. 360mm fine by me.

[@TheSaadtut]

**very** patiently waiting for your custom watercooled version 😅

[@darkmanure]

Video up just as MSI jacked up the prices of this card.

[@xXxErykMix]

Looking to buy that card, decent review. I've subscribed as well :)

[@tkpenalty]

I think the only ITX cases that can handle 4090s with water cooling would be something like the meshroom, but aside from that...

[@corentinrobin3513]

Looks like MSI watched your video, and took notes on the "good value for what you get" part. They bumped up the sale price on their own website by 185$. God forbid gamers have access to good value on GPUs these days. Edit: looks like they "unlaunched" their price hike after backlash...

[@xGEOxSDx]

With evga dropping out, someone had to fill the hybrid card void.

[@Ma6ku6ta6]

Can you still mount this if you're already using an AIO for your CPU? I'm running my setup in a Corsair Vengeance 780T case and may upgrade next year

[@ryuucorvin2300]

black noctua air cooler and the combined to make perfectly straight clod in hot out config instead of in front out top

[@bigturkey1]

i mounted the rad to the front of my case blowing out and then keep my side panel off

[@Enjoying-Life]

Nice video! Can’t wait for your list of cases for the 4090. Also any idea what’s a good case for the evga 3090ti with an aio? Lastly, what resolution are you recording the videos? When I watch it on my 65” OLED, it seems stretched vertically making you look skinny.

[@bildur1]

Im using the Tower 500. Running AIO for the cpu on top of case and AIO for the 4090 on the vertical side rails... loving this case

[@xduskwolf.00]

Essentially any case that's optimized for airflow and has the space for the GPU and AIO would work just fine. Most reputable case manufacturers will list their maximum internal dimensions on their product page.

[@Enjoying-Life]

@@bildur1 what’s the tower 500?

[@bildur1]

Thermal Take tower 500.

[@russellcrowe187]

I have been pleasantly surprised by the 4070ti. Lords of the fallen lies of p and starfield all look amazing i have been wanting to get the 4090 and this would be nice if they would sell it at msrp.

[@Trailerpark-Guy]

Just to correct you msi did such hybrid cards allmost for every series starting in the 980ti days with the good old "seahawk"

[@uruwashii5231]

Brilliant video and great to see one in the wild. How much shorter is the card in this cooling design setup? Was thinking if shorter it might go into my case and mount the rad block outside (as go no space in my case for that :-( )

[@nichetcher1]

Bring on the full loop!!

[@fishhh009]

the built that you promise it's gone case.

[@PeterSlack83]

This is probably the only 4090 that would temp me, the others are just too huge and wont fit even in my fairly large case.

[@Noobmaster-yc2pf]

Can i remove the pumps and add my corsair one pumps and use my radiator?

[@boronat1]

urged to see its hybrid heatsink , dissapointed that it was not opened but he's not that type of content creator

[@TechnoFreak-IN]

Nvidia made FE so good, there is barely any reason left to choose an AIB card over FE! I can see more AIBs following what EVGA decided.

[@EarthIsFlat456]

Barely any reason? Better cooling, lower noise level and higher availability are all reasons to get an AIB card. Where I live it's simply impossible to get an FE card.

[@fajaradi1223]

FE doesn't sold worldwide. It's only available in some countries.

[@EarthIsFlat456]

@@fajaradi1223 Exactly. So many people are oblivious to this fact and just mindlessly tell people to get an FE card.

[@mahin1926]

MSI have done AIO GPUs before. SeaHawk series.

[@Gazer75]

Tubes seem kind of short. Worry this would be hard to fit in larger cases with plenty of radiator capacity such s the Fractal Design XL cases.

[@wanimal668]

nice！want to see 4090 in ITX build.😀

[@finalecho]

Very nice review but please make 4090 Itx builds video.

[@hermsmegerms]

First hybrid card? Msi has been doing the seahawk series since the 1080.

[@ohmarcgod9080]

I will maybe buy this when the rtx 6000 realeases

[@10Filip]

I would argue, if I want to have the radiator in the case at all - why not next to it?

[@Fregatte86]

Hate THAT fan stickers at all. Disbalance can harm the bearing in years of use

[@Caffinatedspade]

Please review the omen vector wireless, I’d like to see how it compares with others of its kind as far as click latency and sensor response time

[@user-cz1ex7kf2g]

Can you control each fan and the pump independently?

[@MillouwzBaby]

Nice to see, love this type of videos

[@pcmAv3n]

Waterforce is a total crap-fest. Quality is horrible, people have reported scratches and such on new products, as well as very poor leak detection rendering the card unable to do anything. Anyhow, the cooling performance for the gpu on the MSI card is probably better because the aio is dedicated just to the gpu, whilst other components are air cooled. Also the SUPRIM series is the highest quality PCB and best looking (imo) on the market. Great review!

[@Kizzster]

Can you please test low profile cpu coolers for 7000 series???

[@thenuclear2566]

8:00 if there is so much heat from radiator, could push and pull fans help there? Mounting next 2 fans from noctua should help with the heat theoretically

[@Boombox198719]

The Fe cards are so much smaller but wonder if these AIO cards are my best bet for itx my cases ATM are A4H20 and NR200p