This was a great opportunity vs RX 6700 10GB as they share very similar specs and performance. both that card 6600 are 4 years old and we are celebrating this? wtf
@BastyTHz15 сағат бұрын
intel made budget cards but its not for budget cpus
@GK_Squid15 сағат бұрын
MSRP doesn't matter if no one has them in stock. I want a b580 but it's close to $400
@baryonyx964215 сағат бұрын
Here's the downside, in Malaysia where i live, the B580 is around the price of a 4070/7800. The B570 won't be worth it at all compared to the 4060.
@Coconut-kun15 сағат бұрын
In new zealand where i live, the B580 costs like 6 dollars less than a 4060 😭
@colossaloverlord267815 сағат бұрын
@@Coconut-kunbut it's better.
@oopdigdigfig978614 сағат бұрын
@@colossaloverlord2678depends on the game and what cpu you pair it with. Don't forget about the overhead issues it has...
@appolo739214 сағат бұрын
Same in Romania, intel gpus are more expensive than nvidia gpus
@MyBestBuddiesForever14 сағат бұрын
Really? here in Indonesia the B580 is at the same price as the RTX 4060!.
@valentinmazar53115 сағат бұрын
It's very funny when you compare prices in US and in Europe, if a B580 is 250$ it should be about 240€ but it is selling for 400€, but rx6600 you can find for 220€
@user-bj1mp2rb4j15 сағат бұрын
Exactly. The rx6600 doesn't have any requirements and runs at 100W on top of that.Comparing to a 2021 card, the intel card is a joke.
@oopdigdigfig978614 сағат бұрын
@@user-bj1mp2rb4j where exactly in the video have you seen the 6600 consume less power than the 570? Also how is it intel's fault that retailers are jacking up the prices?
@Lightning_aus14 сағат бұрын
australia is the opposite. hardly any AMD cards and tons of B series for super cheap.
@haukikannel14 сағат бұрын
Local prising… that is all that matter in reality!
@ghosthunter095013 сағат бұрын
Yeah, from my experience shopping in places other than the US is a completely different conversation and it's really hard to make the conversion when pricing is such a key part in how good a GPU is.
@DCrow-kr9uv9 сағат бұрын
Well. AMD started acting like Nvidia, so Intel started acting like AMD, the simple formula is to make more sense, and since AMD lost it sense, Intel decided to be the one with common sense.
@jasonvors19227 сағат бұрын
Amd is to busy copying nvidia to care about it's fan base meanwhile, Let's sale this here rx 9070xt at a premium price point with vram speeds and quality of a gpu from 4 years ago make slight changes to silicone re used for the 3rd generation in a row
@haroldasusus46845 сағат бұрын
@if AMD prices the 9070 xt anywhere near the 5070 ti then they deserve to be bankrupt 😂
@Hirome_Satou5 сағат бұрын
@@haroldasusus4684 AMD will not go bankrupt over their GPUs. They have the first and second best CPUs on the market.
@haroldasusus46842 сағат бұрын
@ I didn’t say they would just that they deserve due to incompetence in their gpu division.
@soccerboss79242 сағат бұрын
@@jasonvors1922the 9070 is going to be priced around 550 which is exceptionally cheaper than nvidia counterparts considering the 7090 xt has the same performance as the 4080 super
@Skidamarinkk14 сағат бұрын
Amazon UK pricing: B580: £320 = $390 B570: £280 = $350 4060: £250 = $312 7600: £240 = $300 Intel isn't even an option over here.
@notskidamarink14 сағат бұрын
Why does the uk get such bad pricing?
@Bee-u6x13 сағат бұрын
@notskidamarinkMost places have shtty pricing
@reheyesd866613 сағат бұрын
@notskidamarink Americans will probably get the bigger supply % and the import taxes are ridiculous here.
@xpneuma13 сағат бұрын
@notskidamarink not even that, good luck even trying to get those prices lol i was looking to upgrade by new budget rig (wife's pc now) gpu prices fluctuate every week and stock is non existent
@ghosthunter095013 сағат бұрын
@@reheyesd8666 I can't figure out the logic of putting import tax on things you don't even produce.
@amoeba888815 сағат бұрын
the bar is so low at this point that you can make a better budget GPU in your garage 💀
@viggetsu13 сағат бұрын
?
@rns1013 сағат бұрын
On minecraft 💀
@rahinhuq160811 сағат бұрын
Just don’t let the Chinese kid leave your basement and see sun light and you’ll have anew card built in no time!
@rd3munna8128 сағат бұрын
@@rahinhuq1608 you are weird
@xapcgamer1512 сағат бұрын
whats funny is some guy literally built his own gpu from scratch in his basement 💀
@zdspider677815 сағат бұрын
21:45 Blue PCB (or green or red, but especially green) is actually better for the eyes when working on it. It requires less light (than a black PCB) and you can actually tell when a component was fried and darkened the surrounding PCB area, whereas with a black PCB you can't tell that well (it's often brown-ish and brown on black is not immediately noticeable at a glance). So in the long run, a blue PCB is actually more maintainable, from an electronics perspective. It produces less e-waste (in theory). I wish they brought back green PCBs. Green is the most visible (to our human eyes). You can really tell when a connector is interrupted or a component is toast. And it looks cool af.
@proudyy12 сағат бұрын
Yeah but most downside: Looks ass.
@ethancampbell242210 сағат бұрын
@@proudyy really, who cares, unless you're a clown with a window case ?
@JcobKissme8 сағат бұрын
@@proudyyI think it has a nice classic look to it.
@llllllllllllllllllllllllll43137 сағат бұрын
blue pcb is cool, and should be used if it matches the looks of card, but grown... hell nah
@Dragon21110 сағат бұрын
This is why competition is so important, If there is no reason to improve hardware it gets stale and boring.
@Takitamsobiepan15 сағат бұрын
AMD destroyed Intel in CPUs while Intel was working on cheap GPUs. Now Intel destroyed AMD in chep GPUs while AMD was working on CPUs. Nvidia in the meantime discovered fake frames generators.
@ProtectusCZ14 сағат бұрын
and Nvidia also works on ARM CPUs
@jasonvors192214 сағат бұрын
@@ProtectusCZ And a low end nvidia arm pc will be way over priced
@nostrum641011 сағат бұрын
7700xt destroys b580 for a very similar price
@winterfuryita211 сағат бұрын
@@jasonvors1922 the nintendo switch lmao.
@SL4PSH0CK10 сағат бұрын
@@ProtectusCZ competition 🍻
@theantil710 сағат бұрын
@1:58 Thank you for actually explaining all that gibberish that I always see creators casually expecting us to fully comprehend.
@piercebunge42973 сағат бұрын
yeah its so bs
@johnirby884711 сағат бұрын
I just installed a B580 in my PC! Got it at Microcenter for $260!
@lowpoul555211 сағат бұрын
gg
@HanSolo__10 сағат бұрын
Neat
@ManikomTMN9 сағат бұрын
nice!
@scottd72229 сағат бұрын
Love Microcenter
@sjejqnrof98vi9 сағат бұрын
should have gotten used 2080ti
@sweettorello13 сағат бұрын
Remember the b570 is almost half the price of the Nvidia card. So even if the 4060 outperforms the b570 by a couple percent, as yourself if it's worth almost double the price for the card
@guilhermedecarvalhofernand162912 сағат бұрын
In the USA
@Lockwood3609 сағат бұрын
Nvidea drivers and feature sets are well worth it over what intel offers. Id keep my AMD card over either tbh
@eyesofvenus8 сағат бұрын
Yeah except that's most likely exclusive to the US. In my country, as with pretty much everywhere else in Europe, you can get a 4060 for cheaper.
@christophermullins71638 сағат бұрын
@guilhermedecarvalhofernand1629 not even in the USA. You can't find a b580 for under $320 if you can find one. 4060 and b570 will be very similarly priced. Vex really showed only the most positive things about the b570. It was clearly biased to sell the GPU and was not honest with all of the information that we know he has. Such a disappointment actually.
@guilhermedecarvalhofernand16297 сағат бұрын
@@christophermullins7163 in my country it is not even available, so yeah
@fuzzylumpkins603414 сағат бұрын
The B580 is a budget GPU IF you have a high tier cpu. We are a fortunate family that got hold of a B580 at release. The B580 was NOT performing correctly regarding the specs, on our son's pc. His pc is a Ryzen 3600 cpu and even budget gamers wont be using something this old in most cases. I put the B580 in my rig with a 7800x3d. The performance gains were 12-20% just in the 3 games our son plays. That is unacceptable. The drivers need some serious attention and this might be addressed. But I would not recommend any budget gamer buy these hoping for future promises. Gaming devs do that and those games never deliver. What is the purpose of buying a budget GPU if it only performs if you have mid - high tier components? Yes we needed an alternative budget GPU, now we need it to perform with budget gear. We were able to sell our 3 week old B580 at an actual profit and replaced it with a used RX6750xt. It actually does what it says. Edit: I do not have a ryzen 7600 and it is a low tier cpu- the B580 could work better with it. This was pointed out by a poster that may or may not have multiple cpu tiers to try this. I will change low tier/entry level cpus to older. This thing does not play at anywhere near it's peak on older cpus. By the time the drivers are out to rectify this, it will be an old gpu just like Arc that now work better, several years later. If you have new low tier/entry level AM5/Intel cpus, this may work okay. You still are not buying this gpu if you have upgraded chipsets. Back to real budget gaming, this is not for era restricted budget gamers.
@lunarfrxst10 сағат бұрын
yeah because its around 4060ti performance, try pairing a 4060ti with a 3600 without a bottleneck
@HanSolo__10 сағат бұрын
R5 7600 has no problems with Battlemage cards and 7600 is not a high-tier cpu.
@Northgical10 сағат бұрын
“but I would not recommend any budget gamer buy these hoping for future promises. Gaming devs do that and those games never deliver” Ya do realize Intel been ironing out and polishing drivers since the 1st gen of Intel Arc right? Why place doubts when this is obviously their only shot at still being in the competition and they actually do give a care about their GPU here
@XxHorseshoeXx10 сағат бұрын
I think you just need a modern Intel chip, the low end AMD chips suck hard on it. Just go with a budget i5 like 12400f
@MikeMisiewicz8 сағат бұрын
Was rebar turned on the arc GPU run on rebar.
@genericgoat14 сағат бұрын
The thing I find interesting is the power draw. Intel could probably make a B560 with the same chip but give it a TDP of 70-75W, as well as a no power connector low profile design. Imagine a low profile card at ~$220 with enough performance to actually run games well
@ps69848 сағат бұрын
exactly, even in these comparisons above, b570 draws 90watts or lower while rest other cards draw 115-125 watts. b 570 while being cheaper and performing equally well or better.
@nostrum64108 сағат бұрын
@@genericgoat they certainly would not make money on that
@WhipplesMemes4 сағат бұрын
Well intel aren't the most effecient cpus and gpus
@catfacecat.4 сағат бұрын
@@ps6984no, it draws around 130-140 watts, not 90.
@ruseruser222715 сағат бұрын
Definitely put some respect on Intel's name (lol you don't hear that every day), AMD and NVIDIA stalled in value, but Intel's consistency in pricing from the Alchemist GPUs to Battlemage is admirable too. No company's worth blind loyalism, but Intel definitely made some good moves this generation.
@colossaloverlord267814 сағат бұрын
People been trashing on their meteor lake chips too but it's by far better than the z1 extreme lmao. All those benchmark videos that are like 30% the performance of mine cause I actually did some bios tweaks instead of half assing a review and moaning about how you shouldn't have to tweak things when the whole idea of PC gaming is 'tweaking' lmao. Reminds me of how quickly peoples second face shows itself when they can hide behind computer screens with a group of similar dullards.
@christophermullins71638 сағат бұрын
No respect. Vex is clearly biased and selling this GPU for Intel. You got duped. The Intel GPU is expensive as the other gpus and is not faster and has a ton of problem. It's not worth buying 100%. Literally a 6750 XT wins in every game and cost the same and I am in the US! Such a bs video.
@WhipplesMemes4 сағат бұрын
@@christophermullins7163 No respect? It is a great value budget card made in 2025 with new features and better rt
@albertfanmingoСағат бұрын
@@christophermullins7163 Is every other benchmark, many from people who strongly criticized the A series and intel's cpus, also lies? I have yet to see a benchmark with the b580 losing against similarly priced gpus.
@christophermullins716357 минут бұрын
@@albertfanmingo on Amazon it is the same price as 6750xt and 7600xt. One is much faster with driver that have been optimized for 4 years with a reputable company. the other is similar performance with 16gb. "$250" is literally a lie. In gamers Nexus review he says that he does not test the games and in the way to show the CPU problems and yet the b580 b570 STILL had games where it was much lower performance and or trash lows. Go watch a review using the exact CPU in the exact games you play before buying.. and when you buy.. find it at $250. Good luck
@vackillers4 сағат бұрын
Hey Vex, im sure you already know this but make sure you have Resizable BAR Enabled compared to off, the performance difference is massive!
@kinzie391513 сағат бұрын
Intel caught up.. in the US for 220/250$ while being irrelevant here in the EU for 280/330€. And when there is something in stock, scalpers just buy instantly and then sell it for 400+.
@averagesnailgodpraiser384011 сағат бұрын
New stock of B580 came out today, praying normal people can get one
@nostrum641011 сағат бұрын
lol its not scalpers
@ArtificialDjDAGX10 сағат бұрын
here in sweden it's like €300 for the B570, and €312.5 for the B580. Crazy how overpriced the B570 is here. Anyways, the american prices don't account for VAT, european do. The B580's €312.5 price is msrp, given that you account for VAT, and ignore the fact that the euro is worth more than the dollar
@HanSolo__10 сағат бұрын
In Poland B580 was €290, but currently - €315. They raised the price so that the B570 could cost €290.
@Oozaru859 сағат бұрын
What scalpers? They are available aplenty here. No one is buying them. Scalpers arent interested in these budget cards. At least here in Germany they arent.
@roki97715 сағат бұрын
330 euros, no thanks.. A750s where 200 euros, rx 6600 180 euros. For 300 i get rx 6800 used with some warranty.
@MrHimer125 сағат бұрын
XT would be better choice but for moneh plain 6800 is also good.
@sitordan14 сағат бұрын
Please keep in mind we are comparing a 2025 card to a 2021 product. Newer tech tends to be better.
@Broofsticles14 сағат бұрын
And new intel struggles against the 12 series
@pagman235614 сағат бұрын
A 2021 card competing with a 2025 card is honestly wild
@mitw15314 сағат бұрын
@@pagman2356 4090 being a 2022 card and having no competition for years
@kimnice13 сағат бұрын
B570 using a GPU that's as big as the one in 4070 TI..that Will be considered last generation less than two weeks now.
@mtpstv9413 сағат бұрын
Barely. I've upgraded a 1060 to a 3070 and it was only slightly better. It's not that much better. Especially in the case of a GPU.
@UltraVegito-199515 сағат бұрын
Which of the two GPU brands will get Productivity/Creator support faster? Intel vs AMD
@manusiaorang284215 сағат бұрын
intel is best for making videos. you could use that
@pouringpoipoi577714 сағат бұрын
nvidia is x10 better on productivity/content creation/ai/streaming... thanks to cuda and tensor cores.. almost all known major 3d plugin and 3 rendering engines are based on cuda and nvec. it makes amd's dinosaur age encoder eating dust.. not sure with intel though, they're still young, like new kids on the block, and lets wait for developers to adapt to their platform over time.
@DandeDingus14 сағат бұрын
Intel. AMD dropped the ball on blender for years now and instead of actually providing a better API to make use of their raytracing capabilities fot cycles, they just shat out a new render engine. Intel has been good with video encoding for a while now, so far that iirc you can use the integrated graphics in intel cpus to encode videos in Premiere faster.
@Mkkhg112 сағат бұрын
check ancient gameplay is comparision between the b580, 6750xt and 7600xt he covered both gaming and multitasking
@tumultoustortellini11 сағат бұрын
intel, easily. They get close to nvidia in some ways, but amd is behind them fs
@keagan537914 сағат бұрын
geez man your audience still gets pretty upset whenever you say anything positive about intel huh?
@GM-xk1nw14 сағат бұрын
Yeah, because his audience knows a thing or two about GPUs
@keagan537914 сағат бұрын
@@GM-xk1nw what… how much you know or don’t know about gpus has nothing to do with what I’m saying. These comments read like NBA fans smack talking other teams and it’s just so bizarre to me.
@SMGeezus12 сағат бұрын
You also have to keep in mind that a sizable portion of his audience is from the uk. Over there, even though the performance is comparable the price is not. It might just be because it's new but the Intel cards are more expensive than the 4060
@nostrum641011 сағат бұрын
only when its inaccurate
@albertfanmingo10 сағат бұрын
@@GM-xk1nw Well known GPU fact: Better preformance is what matters until Nvida loses then I need to protect my multi-billion monopoly.
@usul57315 сағат бұрын
7:15 Just weird lineups. The RX 7000 series starts at the RX 7600 8GB for $250. RTX 4000 series starts at the RTX 4060 8GB for $300 maybe $290. The 3050 cards lose to the RX 6600. RTX 3060 12GB for $290 isn't too bad though.
@tumultoustortellini11 сағат бұрын
It's pretty bad. The 3060 is slower than or matches the 6600 last time I checked. Sure, it has 12gb, but if it's so slow it can't run anything, it's better to get a card strictly for 1080p at 8gb for 100 dollars less, or go up by 20 dollars and get the 6700xt, which is in another price class
@yokingboii8 сағат бұрын
@@tumultoustortellini The 3060 is not slower than the 6600 and is a decent bit faster
@usul5737 сағат бұрын
@ Techpowerup says the RTX 3060 12GB is about 6% faster than the RX 6600 8GB but for about $90 more.
@gingobingo156715 сағат бұрын
This is 330$ in sweden which is the same price as the RTX 4060 here.
@solarrxenon4 сағат бұрын
all of the people saying the price is different where they are are completely missing the point, the point is: get it if it's cheaper and you want it
@praisetheoak6 сағат бұрын
In Europe I can get a 4060 for 300eur. while the cheapest B570 goes for as low as 350eur... yeah
@zz7595 сағат бұрын
Fake and misleading reviews all over internet for arc b580 and b570. Please review those video cards with budget CPU like Ryzen 3600 or 5600 and the intel equivalents. People with budget CPU will buy this card, people with high end CPU will buy Nvidia 5070. At the moment GeForce 4060 is the better and the solid choice for the budget CPU
@kariisawa_15 сағат бұрын
great content man, your channel is remiding me of the content daniel did back when i first ran into his channel
@vvhitevvizard_14 сағат бұрын
the major drawback is availability and price. in Serbia, B580 costs 390 euros, almost as much as 4060 ti 16GB.
@GodbornNoven3 сағат бұрын
In serbia all gpus are expensive anyway
@cxngo81242 сағат бұрын
Here in toronto Canada, adjusted for currency, the b570 goes for 230, b580 goes for 250 and 4060 goes for 275 and drops to 250 on flash sales.
@Energon3415 сағат бұрын
Everyone says that Intel is good in tests, because all tests with high-end processors, but with budget Intel processors show worse results compared to analogues. Hm interesting, idk is that true or not.
@jasonvors192214 сағат бұрын
It actually does pretty good with the i5 12400
@GameRTmaster14 сағат бұрын
Yes ! And they keep avoiding that because intel paid them to ignore it ! But what kind of gamer that will bought b570,b580? Yes the poor broke guy Do you think the poor guy can afford 7800x3d or 9800x3d? Lol of course not A cpu more expensive than gpu 😂 , But they gonna use : 12400f, 13400f, 5600, 5600x, 7500f , i3 12100f , 13100f , With all of those b570, b580 will lost 30% and more performance
@GameRTmaster14 сағат бұрын
@jasonvors1922 I saw it It's much less than 7800x3d So what the point of low/mid range gpu can't give 100% with low/mid range cpu's? Intel failed not only with this but with the prices! People happy and act It's selling at msrp but the real prices more higher than the rtx 4060 and even higher than the rx 7600xt with 16gb of vram!
@zbigniew262814 сағат бұрын
@@jasonvors1922It is limited even by this 7800x3d in space marine 2, not to mention ryzen 5600 and i5 12400... I can hit locked 60fps with even ryzen 5500 after PBO and good ram... With Intel GPU I would probably struggle to hit 30fps.
@lukiValent13 сағат бұрын
@@GameRTmaster I'm sure that 5000 series will do fine, specially because gamer nexus tested with the 5600x, it is just something to worry about with 3000 series and older and maybe Intel 10 series and older.
@The11devans3 сағат бұрын
Yeah man, you have to match the resolution scale between upscalers. The setting name does not matter.
@sortacoolmaybe15 сағат бұрын
Hi vex. What games have been in your rotation recently?
@vextakes15 сағат бұрын
honestly, just benchmarking. but been playing thru cyberpunk whenever I can. Love me so some risk of rain and I might start playing Rivals more casually
@ilbro787413 сағат бұрын
@@vextakeshope youre modding cyberpunk 😅 its so good
@sortacoolmaybe6 сағат бұрын
@@vextakes props for being on the testing grind. hopefully you can get some more downtime soon
@mermadone64655 сағат бұрын
Great work, amazing editing. This took a lot of energy for you.
@paincake259515 сағат бұрын
Also, the cpu overhead is non-existant on 1440p and b580 can run most at 1440p with reasonable settings.
@zbigniew262814 сағат бұрын
It is definitely there... I play space marines 2 in 4k with dlss and optimised settings, while having 60fps with rtx3070... And Ryzen 5500 with good ram and tweaked windows allows for it. If it cannot hit 60fps with some CPU, then it is not going to magically hit it in 1440p.
@789uio6y14 сағат бұрын
@zbigniew2628 Is it a good game space Marine?
@paulboyce853713 сағат бұрын
@@zbigniew2628 Ryzen 5500 is half the i5-12600k for $130 that I consider is the lowest well performing CPU pairing. Ryzen 5500 with 6 cores and 12 threads what do you expect? Miracles?
@FiveMissiles12 сағат бұрын
@@paulboyce853716mb l3 cache
@paincake259512 сағат бұрын
@@789uio6y around 50 fps in 1440p medium, without upscaling with 5600x cpu. If you have a better cpu, it will be better at 1080p high. Or you could use XESS. 4060 has a similar performance at same settings without dlss [around 45].
@skavenslave457012 сағат бұрын
great example that advertisement is to get idiots to buy stuff. If something is good, it will sellout automatically.
@Viilap15 сағат бұрын
'A strange world we live in, right? Mr. Morgan'
@selohcin12 сағат бұрын
Fantastic work, Vex! Everything was so clear and helpful. I don't know if you hired an editor or did all this work yourself, but it was an excellent video. Bravo!
@meganabeel199415 сағат бұрын
Why compare with 3 years old card and smack that card. I would still rate 6600 higher than this. Except that extra vram, what does it bring to the table that 6600 doesn't even being 3 years older.
@zdspider677815 сағат бұрын
Showing the names of the cards in red for AMD, blue for Intel and green for Nvidia was a good idea. Well done! But you shouldn't have switched places with the cards, like at 9:16. The blue card should have stayed on the right. Just my honest opinion. Cheers.
@vextakes15 сағат бұрын
I get u, I position them typically based on price so that is why the position changes. I will also try to put the one on the right that is faster so it makes more sense when comparing %%%%
@sneikiusas13 сағат бұрын
Can we please stop using "destroy" to describe marginal improvements? I love you content, but 10% difference does not equal to "destroy" nvidia card, and its weird that in Alan Wake 2 nvidia is "just" 16% faster...
@johnlier445612 сағат бұрын
Pretty sure he's using destroy not only because of the performance improvement, but also because the 4060 is like 40% more expensive so value wise it definitely destroys it
@sneikiusas12 сағат бұрын
@johnlier4456No, no plain no. Not everything that is marginally better destroys the competition, not every little change is a game changer, not everything that is just good has to be epic. Is it better? Yes, so lets keep I that way. If you think only in absolutes and there is no middle ground or so called grey area, then how do you the difference? There is good, better, best for a reason, not epic, epic, epic. Bad, worse, worst, not destroyed, destroyed, destroyed
@johnlier445612 сағат бұрын
@@sneikiusas it's about 50% more performance per dollar if that's not destroying the competition I don't know what you are expecting. Besides nobody is gonna click on a video saying in the title that it beats something slightly, reviewers will always make the results worse or better to make it more extreme to get views so even if you don't want the terms to be used these people will have to so their videos get more views.
@marlon.805112 сағат бұрын
@@sneikiusas 2 extra gigs of vram and almost same performance and faster in a lot of games while 40% cheaper seems like destroying to me... though this card is hard to get in most of the world so it wont mean much.
@dlewis976011 сағат бұрын
@@marlon.8051 If selling at MSRP. No one will sell it at list. Find us a seller selling it that way.
@Enzostz27 сағат бұрын
would you mind on testing the b580 and b570 again but with a lower tier AM4 cpu like an ryzen 5500 or 5600? I heard you get some big performance loss on these cards not to mention that not everyone willing to get a b580 / b570 have a 7800x3d or even a 5700x3d
@albertfanmingoСағат бұрын
Gamer's Nexus did some benchmarks and found that using a low end cpu has basically no effect on preformance with these cards. Either this is misinfo or it only applies to old cpus that are no longer being sold.
@LordApophis10015 сағат бұрын
Given the B570 Die is almost twice the size of a 4060, Intel didn't catch up, they just brute forced a failed mid range chip to a budget card. They still don't deliver any meaningful supply of the B580 because they can't afford to sell them at the MSRP. Just a big marketing stunt to get positive reviews for an unrealistic price.
@UsernameInvalid4815 сағат бұрын
Exactly people should understand this.
@kiki717015 сағат бұрын
This is what Intel doing recently. Just force everything to its limit. I'm a big fan of its CPU back in the days, but now it really let me down. Compute speed, size, power usage, temperature... at least one of these spec are much worse than its opponents, while others are kind just ok. I hope they can be back on track one day.
@LordApophis10015 сағат бұрын
The RTX 4060 has a BOM cost around $180-200 with Nvidia's big economy of scale. A B570 with its much larger die and more memory would be around $220-$240 or even more considering Intels very small scale of production.
@Morimea14 сағат бұрын
Nvidia overprice is ~300% - even if Nvidia cut cost of 4060 2.5 times - they would still make money. (same as amd witth their 7600) This intel e-waste - they probably still making some money just because how cheap it is to print electronics in general.
@Selicular14 сағат бұрын
Be happy someone is willing to sell you an affordable and somewhat decent e-waste instead of straight up ignoring you, because you don’t have a band to drop on a GPU.
@anakinsensei692213 сағат бұрын
I've seen people say the intel B580 cards don't work at all on budget / mid-range CPUs. Can you look into that please ?
@Blafard66615 сағат бұрын
THANK YOU for explaining what each of those numbers in the overlay actually mean ! They always show us this thing like we all supposed to magically understand ..
@JohanBento12 сағат бұрын
Intel is doing is homework. Hopping to get one to my workstation!
@Sintrania15 сағат бұрын
did that b570 just casually hit 3.1Ghz OC? damn that's pretty impressive.
@kravenfoxbodies247910 сағат бұрын
I saw 3250mhz once.
@rellikai9457 сағат бұрын
If you wanna measure latency in the future, especially as frame gen starts to maybe enter into the discussion more often, I'd recommend using intel presentmon and using the click to photon graph. It's not AS robust and accurate as hardware solutions, but it'll get a ballpark figure.
@jerok479 сағат бұрын
B580: budget king B570: poorman's hero
@Walterheisenberg-di2dx3 сағат бұрын
6:41 you know what else is massive? if ninja got a looow taapeer faade
@GameRTmaster14 сағат бұрын
Ok why you didn't said: I'm using 7800x3d But if you pair a budget cpu with b570 , b580 you will lost 30%+ performance?
@Mkkhg114 сағат бұрын
gamers nexus tested this card with the 5600, 12400 and 9800x3d and in most games there wasn't any difference between this 3 CPUs on 1080p (or 3-5% more difference in the some game) ig it was a drives issue and they fixed it
@zbigniew262814 сағат бұрын
Sometimes even 60%. I can not belive He uploaded video without changes after all of it... Even his 7800x3d is messed up in space marine 2 due to Intel drivers.
@GameRTmaster14 сағат бұрын
@Mkkhg1 gamers nexus test 90% of it gpu bound, That's the problem We will face many cpu bound games and also some people play at normal settings not ultra and don't forget the competitive games too That's why gamers nexus review look like not honest for me
@GameRTmaster13 сағат бұрын
@zbigniew2628 That's the point And why the 7800x3d It's a budget gpu so use a budget cpu like the 95% of people Not pair it with the second strongest cpu in the world, Look vex 100% having contract with Intel They called him out before in X also they sent him many gpus and early drivers tests from what I remember, So I think they told him to not say the downsides
@reheyesd866613 сағат бұрын
@@Mkkhg1 Yup, been debunked so many times now it's ridiculous this argument even comes up anymore.
@Hairybarryy11 сағат бұрын
Man, i can't believe 1440p is still relevant. I remember people playing 1440p with 660ti. Amds r9 285 was advertised as a 1440p card back in 2014. Nearly 11 years ago
@Rantny-9mm14 сағат бұрын
Use an older CPU like an AMD 3600 or older and you will see how weak the Intel card is. People who will buy these cards do not have 7800X3d's. They pulled a dirty trick !!
@jasonvors192214 сағат бұрын
Who cares? Both amd/nvidia have been milking their fan bases dry for years and it shows. Gpu stagnation prices sky high inflation? Nah pure greed ? Yes
@haukikannel14 сағат бұрын
Only in some games! So if your games are not very CPU intensive b570 and b580 are an option! If you are mainly playing multi player shooters… consider something else. Also if you play very old dx9 games… chose something else. You have to consider your gaming habits, local prising and make desision based on that. The driver overhead is not a problem in most games! But if you mainly play those games… it is a problem.
@zbigniew262814 сағат бұрын
@@haukikannelIt is almost every game... Drop even on Ryzen 5600 is huge that even rx6600 sometimes beats it.
@Mkkhg114 сағат бұрын
gamers nexus tested the b570 with the 5600, 12400 and 9800x3d and in most games there wasn't any difference between this 3 CPUs on 1080p (or 3-5% more difference in the some game)
You can tell it's memory bandwidth and not memory quantity by looking at how much memory it's using. It shows that clearly in your video. But even then there's more at play. How quickly you process the stuff you have in memory dictates how long it needs to stay in memory. If you are finished with the data that you need to process the frame you can deallocate that memory thus freeing that memory up.
@popd883015 сағат бұрын
Sold out not to normal people, but scalpers and miners. Gaming sucks and I'll stick with my 1080ti.
@mitw15314 сағат бұрын
you are not the their customer priority, a random dude that just uses the pc for youtube and some work doesn't even need a gpu
@FiveMissiles12 сағат бұрын
@mitw153😂
@tumultoustortellini11 сағат бұрын
newegg has it available for MSRP
@MrAnimescrazy13 сағат бұрын
Looking forward to the 5090 vs the 4090 raster, dlss, raytracing benchmarks.
@hotdroppinglegends12 сағат бұрын
Prices I see in the EU: RX 6600 = 204 euros RTX 3060 = 260 euros RTX 4060 = 280 euros ARC B570 = 275 euros ARC B580 = 315 euros Maybe ARC has more horsepower, but the prices are too high. If they want more buyers, they need to offer more for less rather than adopting a 'we are premium' mindset with luxury packaging + limiting availability and expecting gamers to pick ARC over RTX. Personally, I don't trust Intel GPUs and expect various software issues when using them.
@mcflapp12 сағат бұрын
That RX 6600 is 220€ and 4060 300€, 3060 280€, and the Battlemage GPU‘s are almost the same in Germany
@hotdroppinglegends12 сағат бұрын
@mcflapp Mistake with RX 6600-the cheapest I see is 204 euros (corrected). But anyway, the B570 is faster than the RX 6600, yet it also costs much more. ARC B570 at 200-220 euros would be a good price, but I don't feel like paying close to 300 for it.
@mcflapp12 сағат бұрын
@@hotdroppinglegends Yeah
@AEB178114 сағат бұрын
As always great content! Like your way of explaining things and listen to the technical details. Your calm voice makes it really enjoyable! Keep it up and see you next time! Greetings Andreas
@dodge325914 сағат бұрын
B570 "destroys" 6600, a gpu that's 4 years old. No srsly? Just calm down.
@zDyant14 сағат бұрын
isnt that true?
@PVTParts-eu3zl14 сағат бұрын
Yeeep, because that seems so difficult for both nvidia and amd to do while providing value.
@kramnull896215 сағат бұрын
The 16.0 frame time is happening across all the 6xxx. RDR2 gets 4ms-8ms every few driver releases. Then back to 16ms. Been happening ever sense the 7800xt launched in Sept. of 2023.
@averagenoob2.015 сағат бұрын
The B570 isn't cheap enough at its current price youre better off saving for an rx 7600 or B580 it needs to be 199 if not cheaper
@anonymousgaming572515 сағат бұрын
7600? You must be joking that card worth 250 much higher than b570 and has only 8gb of vram
@nightmarenova674815 сағат бұрын
Whot? Isn't 6700 XT still better than the 7600 and you can find it for cheaper! Heck, you can find a RX 6800 for the price of the 7600
@Trauma_Sheep15 сағат бұрын
@@anonymousgaming5725 that's fair but the performance difference between the b570 and b580 is not worth the 30 dollar reduction. you're better off waiting a week so you can afford the 580
@dawienel114213 сағат бұрын
Please test with entry level/midrange CPU's as well which will be the target market. 12400f/5600 3600 at the low end but it's getting old now.
@lukiValent13 сағат бұрын
3600 is Def the only one to have issues but well, an upgrade is not that expensive.
@sokotroko54889 сағат бұрын
@lukiValentnope, 5600 has issues as well. Not as bad but still
@lukiValent8 сағат бұрын
@ weird considering that it is essentially the same silicon for all the other cpus in the generation
@LucidStrike13 сағат бұрын
Using about as much silicon as a 4070 just to catch up with the 4060 - and years later - means they HAVEN'T caught up and are in fact far behind. KZbinrs are hyping Intel discrete uncritically almost entirely for the narrative. 🙄
@lukiValent12 сағат бұрын
Doesn't mean Nvidia is too far away if it costs them 200$ to make a 5080
@lukiValent12 сағат бұрын
I don't think that the engineers and electronic designers need that much pay but I doubt that it is even going to them. Anyways, if I want a lot of pay I guess I know what to study for.
@LucidStrike8 сағат бұрын
@lukiValentIf Intel could've solved this issue with just money, they probably would have. Their graphics division overall just isn't nearly as good as Nvidia or Radeon at raster hardware.
@lukiValent8 сағат бұрын
@ they do have money, albeit most of it now invested on AI, leaving pretty much comparably small amounts of money for the other departments. Sure, they do have millions of dollars, but the millons of dollars are somewhere else.
@lukiValent7 сағат бұрын
I'd consider this as intel's rtx 3060, both have nearly the same die size, almost the same amounts of vram, and same price range. Only difference being that one is new and has less well rounded drivers, and the other is older, slower, but cheaper and easier to get (used or new in a third world country like the one i live in), along with decent drivers. (however since the 3060 is old, it works better with older stuff unlike this)
@silentcoyotecreations5 сағат бұрын
Yo, what mic do you use?
@TheHangarHobbit14 сағат бұрын
Another paper launch, just like the 580 which can't be found for less than $350 usd where it makes no sense to buy.
@dreamhaze912312 сағат бұрын
You talk about future proofing with that extra VRAM, but, um, it's kind of struggling with the games that came out years ago. Future proofing would be worth something if it ran CP2077 on high 1440p at 100+ FPS right now.
@KeiGGR12 сағат бұрын
Dude it's a $220 GPU. If you are a budget gamer it can somewhat save you for some time but you can't expect 4080 levels of future proofing from a budget Gpu.
@dreamhaze912312 сағат бұрын
@@KeiGGR Save for what time? It's already struggling.
@ns-tech130413 сағат бұрын
11:11 Brother lol neither gpu is hitting 100%. Your cpu is bottlenecking
@lunawense628813 сағат бұрын
You cannot get basically any better than the 7800x3d. Also it's possible for core 7 or 8 to simply not have significant demand while everything else it pegged at 100%. A 9800x3d would not have significantly changed these results. You'd be crazy to pair a GPU this cheap with a CPU/Mobo setup that expensive anyways.
@AlienGurke7 сағат бұрын
is there a way to set the audiotrack always to the original one? Its so ennoying to always get this crappy german audio ai track. video sounds like 1000 times better without ai but with real voice. lol
@maslotrzalso14 сағат бұрын
- B570 wins vs 4060 by 9%: omg so good! fck yeah! - rtx 4060 wins vs B570 by 15%: ugh, you can't tell the difference
@GM-xk1nw14 сағат бұрын
They are hypocrites.
@kerotomas114 сағат бұрын
Especially with the crap driver overhead Intel GPUs are terrible for older budget system and it’s pointless to buy them for a good system to bottleneck it with the card.
@pagman235614 сағат бұрын
at 10:55 he also mentions intel cards not being fully used in Indiana Jones due to a bug, and you look to the right and the 4060 isnt fully used either lol
@sweettorello14 сағат бұрын
The point is that it's almost half the price.
@catfacecat.4 сағат бұрын
@@sweettorelloah yes, 75% = 50%; such good math.
@vivsavagex12 сағат бұрын
that pricing is so bizarre. if youre building a PC or investing in an upgrade, who on earth goes "$220 is good but $250 for 15%+ better card. count me out" so freakin weird, man. like just get the 580. the 570 makes zero sense at such a close price point
@temp911Luke15 сағат бұрын
Does it have: - CUDA? - DLSS? - DLAA ? - Tensor cores? - NVenc? - Raytracing with tensor cores? - Reflex tech ? Exactly.
@manusiaorang284215 сағат бұрын
it makes videos good... that's it
@Morimea15 сағат бұрын
you forgot - VR VR dont even work on intel GPUs (yes something like 4060 is more than enough for VR which stuck in 2020 system recomendation - everything will fly on max on 4060 include HL:Alyx) same as Intel gpu drivers in Linux - they wont work in 95% of games and there no raytracing implemented (for all this time) same as playing game+streaming/video recording - hardware video ecncoding - it was unusable on Arc A-series - everything lags and stutters - idk if it even work on these new intel cards - no one tested it
@oopdigdigfig978614 сағат бұрын
Does it cost $500 and give you 8gb vram? Exactly. Even with the jacked prices you get more vram than you would with nvidia
@zbigniew262814 сағат бұрын
@@oopdigdigfig9786It is more like ~300$ for rtx4060... While you do not need to upgrade a CPU to keep 60fps performance. Testing intel with drivers which limits even 7800x3d in space marine 2 is a joke without comparison to Ryzen 5600 and i5 12400f. The last of us 2 port was made by the same company, which made Arkham Knight port. You do not need 8gb Vram that much, just optimisations are bad and max textures are not always worth it, like in Horizon Forbidden West. And even good for me, that I am not interested in most new games, even HFW, TLOU2 and remake, Spidermans, ubi, EA, Aci&Blizzard games and whatever.
@zbigniew262814 сағат бұрын
Oh and to be clear... Corporations are not our friend, so there is no point in playing it nice for some of them. intel, AMD, Nvidia are going to mess a lot in pathetic ways, so just pick what suits you better, but without making it look better than it is. Probably the best option is to buy used ones, especially Nvidia and update DLSS to 4.0 in games.
@brandonbruner5316Сағат бұрын
Hope you cover Monster Hunter Wilds again in the upcoming beta test. I hope they managed to optimize the game more in these past 3 months.
@gtfffv9 минут бұрын
Here in Canada the B580's are going for $450-500 while the RTX 4060 is around $420
@AlexanderAF316 сағат бұрын
Just curious but for such a budget card, why did you use the 7800x3d for your testing?
@catfacecat.4 сағат бұрын
to ignore intels overhead issues
@Ad_Dystopia6 сағат бұрын
Upgraded from a 970 to a B580 for 300 euros recently. Happy with the deal I got. Looking at this video, the GPUs seem roughly equally good in terms price-performance ratio.
@exloaded10 сағат бұрын
Be honest, they did so bad with their CPU's, they have no choice but to come in lower than anyone and produce something better, just to maintain relevancy. On top of that, I hear their gpus aren't compatible with anything older than the previous cpus
@Oceanborn71212 сағат бұрын
Intel is in a really good spot right now when it comes to GPUs. Yes, the new generation for both Nvidia and AMD is about to launch and it's probably going to be ahead quite a bit in the same price range. But those lower end cards are like at least half a year away during which Intel gets to sell their great low budget cards, gain market share and mindshare. I really hope they keep going the way they've been so far. I currently have two systems with an Arc card (A770 and B580) and I totally plan to keep supporting Arc. I decided last generation that I'd be collecing Arc Limited Edition cards if Battlemage continued the positive trajectory they've been showing during their first generation so now I'm all in. Even considering whether I should collect Sparkle cards for the ones that don't have an LE version but looking at how much they cost compared to ASRock ones, and how ugly ASRock's Arc cards are, I'm not there yet xD
@melsgamingvault11 сағат бұрын
Most gamers on this budget range is probably running on an i5 , R5 5600 or even lower. You should test this card on those type of cpu as these battlemage cards are a bit cpu sensitive.
@MatthewSimm15 сағат бұрын
Do you think intel will come out with a more mid range gpu? B780 etc.. id be extremely interested to see how they conpare with the bew line from amd and nvidia
@haukikannel14 сағат бұрын
No… B580 is middle range gpu that just hapens to be too slow to compete with middle range. In perfect world… B580 would cost about the same as 5070 and be allmost as fast… it is not a perfect world… B580 is same size as 5070 so also as expensive to produce. Intel does not want to bleed more money by pringing highend GPU to sold at middle range price! One gpu chip is enough to develop drivers and develop the next generation unless Intel deside to kill their gpu department… again and stop bleeding money…
@iamspencerx13 сағат бұрын
The problem that Intel have is that the driver's reliability doesn't scale linearly with the price. A card that is 99% reliable can't just set the price at 99% of the competition, it must be way below that, especially for the main system, and right now, the B570 costs the same as the 3060 12GB in Europe.
@Ace-Brigade9 сағат бұрын
Your video would be a hell of a lot easier to follow if you kept the Intel card on one side and the competition on the other side. You keep switching which side of the screen the Intel card is on.
@BeanieBrosPC13 сағат бұрын
Thank you for making it clear to people that don't know "FG uses More VRAM" Thought I was the only one who knew that. Drew.
@wwzzbros6 сағат бұрын
are they gonna fix the cpu overhead issues?
@crusade69183 сағат бұрын
testing it with a $550 cpu and the rx 6600 now being 4 years old is hilarious there is little to no progress
@HeroGambit14 сағат бұрын
Why is the frametime lower on the intel ... around 5ms or more ?
@edusoto250912 сағат бұрын
so, I noticed a mistake you've made. In cyberpunk, it is actually using less memory. The memory is just clocked way higher.
@edusoto250912 сағат бұрын
not just in cyberpunk. also in stalker.
@splfordayz905010 сағат бұрын
The issue with older GPU's is a major issue for a "budget" GPU. I feel bad for people who buy these cards with older CPU's and don't know. Also I would like ot see a comparison against a 3060 12GB card (which is still being sold new for around $290). The other thing, for me, is I would shop used cards for sure at the $230-280ish range. a 6700XT or 6750XT can be found for close to B580 pricing and would easily be the better card and you don't have the issue with GPU support.
@SmellMyPeanut12 сағат бұрын
For me the 4060 works, I didn't have to upgrade my power supply or anything else in my old PC - It also has some benefits like the DLSS and all that :) - For me the 300 euro's was worth it for sure. I can play Ghost of Thushima and Wukong on the highest settings with frame gen and get great fps Edit: I'm using it with a 3600 Ryzen CPU in a prebuilt PC from a few years ago
@marlon.805111 сағат бұрын
seems like copium to me
@nostrum641011 сағат бұрын
probably getting 50% higher frame rates in most games with a 4060 anyway
@sokotroko54889 сағат бұрын
@@nostrum6410did you watch the video?
@nostrum64107 сағат бұрын
@@sokotroko5488 what am i wrong about?
@sokotroko54887 сағат бұрын
@@nostrum6410 not really 50%, more like 10% avarage, taking into account that some games even do better with the intel gpu. This is just a random number I made up but I don’t think the 4060 is 50% more powerful Edit: i am dumb, the cpu overhead issue is massive. Nevermind everything I said lol
@whitnes_5 сағат бұрын
what about the video encoders?
@NexusFantismo6 сағат бұрын
This card being out of stock could be a blessing in disguise for some. By the time these come back in stock, AMD and Nvidia will have announced their budget options. By that time you can make an informed decision.
@EtaYorius8 сағат бұрын
The market now needs a come back of the entry level $150 GPU. What was the last GPU of that price tag? the GTX1050Ti - RX470 and the RX 5500XT - GTX1650? dang it's been long.
@mybaIIz4 сағат бұрын
Why… why must you say 'apples to apples comparison' again? Noooo, please, I can’t handle it anymore. It’s too much. Every time I hear it, it’s like a piece of my soul shrivels up and floats away. I’m clutching my chest over here, gasping for air, begging you to spare me just this once. I don’t know if I’m going to make it through the next video. I’m literally on the floor, pleading with the universe to intervene. My body can’t take this level of despair. Every time it comes up, I feel like I’m on the brink of total collapse. One video to the next talking about GPUs it's there, like a bad smell or a wet patch on the floor that I just stood in wearing only socks. Please, I’m begging you, no more. I’m begging the tech gods, the comparison gods, anyone who will listen. Just give me a moment of peace. My life depends on it!
@ravazoid46912 сағат бұрын
Dear Vex. We would love to see maybe just one older title on the review. Im talking gta V, or Fallout 4 for instance. Many of us would like to have a rough idea, as we still play those games a lot. Cheers!
@J0ttaD10 сағат бұрын
The wattage as well. Very impressive. These cards will definitely get better drivers or it has a lot of overclock headroom
@Blind_Hawk7 сағат бұрын
Is there a way to get Vex's Afterburner/RivaTuner overlay?
@mr.guillotine1312Сағат бұрын
Ohh, I normally don't care about overclocking at all, but I'd love to see a video about the increase in performance on the intel cards...I'd like to know if the 570 can get close to the stock 580 if it's overclocked and to know how much more you can get out of the 580 as well.
@cheapcrackers47728 сағат бұрын
Ray tracing support isn't only for gaming. Non-realtime rendering like 3D animation software still benefits from having those cores vs not.
@Viilap15 сағат бұрын
18:47 what do u mean by slight risk?
@James-xq9yd11 сағат бұрын
overclocking your card too much / for an extended period of time can damage it. like running a marathon on bath salts. if you do a subtle overstock that only gains like 2-4% performance, you should be fine.
@Viilap11 сағат бұрын
@James-xq9yd so if i have a stable overclock without artifacts and crashes I'm good? I gain like 7-9 fps, rx 6600 xt
@plebiansocietyСағат бұрын
I love how he has to go what's now 2 generations back to find low end cards that intel can beat. Oh look, the lowest end card made 4 years ago does 15% worse than Intel's card that came out last month. How surprising.
@albertfanmingo10 сағат бұрын
A commenter gets shot in the leg. Quickly two ambulances come, one from a company they know charges much less, and provides slightly better care. They look at the better ambulance and say "I don't like the size of the tires, your care is only good because you have extra bandages, and you're not green" before picking the worse ambulance.
@rdnowlin120611 сағат бұрын
Hardware un-boxed stated the the B580 doesn't work well with r5 3600 - 5600 cpu or Intel of same class. Does the B570 have the same issues? DDR5 and PCIe 5 are not budget platforms. And 7800x3d - 9800x3d are budget CPUs.
@TLgamer_TL12 сағат бұрын
I want to point out how many youtuber's mention "Low 1%", and yet not a single person explains anything about what it means, what purpose it serves, what is it supposed to be used for, and more importantly how to "use it" to determine anything. The phrase "Low 1%" is nothing more than something people say to make themselves sound smart, it doesn't mean anything because there is no such thing as low 1%, it's just 1% and 1% is always going to be 1%
@Mkkhg112 сағат бұрын
1% and 0.1% lows fps is the lowest FPS possible and the % doesn't refer to the FPS but to the time of gameplay (you will experience this fps for 1% of your playtime) if it's too low then it means that the game is not stable
@TLgamer_TL11 сағат бұрын
@@Mkkhg1 When it comes to FPS There is no such thing low 1%, it's just 1%, lower than 1 is 0 you cannot have 0% or 0.1% FPS that is not a thing. playing the game for 1 minute or 5 hours 1% is still going to be 1% 1% is a static number that cannot ever change so it will always remain at 1% and because of that, there is no data you can use from 1% for anything. regardless if you have the stat on or off the screen the end result of that is exactly the same I don't need to see that stat to know the lowest is 1% The only reason for having the stat low 1% in MSI Afterburner is for the sole purpose of making the program seem more complex and for no reason. That stat literally makes no sense
@_FieryPhoenix10 сағат бұрын
@@TLgamer_TL1% lows are the average of the bottom one percent frame rates (such as when the game stutters). If the average fps is good but 1% lows are awful it’s still not gonna be a good experience