Gracie vs Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

[@english_american_8220]

There’s a big difference.. in UK I trained at Gracie Barra .. this was focused on sport... in US I train GJJ at Keith Owens school ... GJJ is more effective on the street and self defense focused .. they are both fun though... Gracie Barra does well because it’s massive world wide, u see it everywhere 🤙🏻🔺♥️

[@legiontraining4691]

Great video and there is a difference between sport oriented training and self defense focused training. Having come from the GJJ side, I see and feel the difference when I roll and do stand up fighting with people who are sport oriented. Competition will expose weaknesses in your ground game against other ground specialists but it will not prepare you to fight in stand up and clinch range. You simply have to fight stand up as well or you are not a well rounded fighter. My opinion only.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Legion Training, thanks for your thoughts!

[@mre6201]

Legion Training I

[@TheFloresj23]

There is a clear difference in the school that teach traditional Gracie Jiu Jitsu and schools which are focused on competing. I’ve always wanted more of the self defense GJJ but no affiliates near me. I started years ago at a GFT school but that’s all points based. When I moved I took a huge break. Now two months into a Carlson Gracie affiliate I see the clear difference there isn’t a structure to the school as far as a curriculum. I like the team and they don’t got to hard well not everyone. So I’ve had to settle to learn my Jiu Jitsu where I can training is better than no training. Love the videos Professor Ryan thank you and keep them coming OSS!

[@stevepriest7341]

There was a coach in DelMar that would make his students spin around a few times then have to dodge punches then try to get a take down

[@shoto520]

Basic Jiujitsu and distance control works in self defense but sports can work it’s just gives bad habits to real life application

[@sogosensei]

I've tried two different schools and spent a year between the two of them. 100% sport. There are about five more within driving distance of me ... all sport. No Traditional places in my area, very little to "NO" self-defense aspects of it. So .... for most of us, finding such a place like your sir, is a no go and as such ... will never be able to train.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

You can always grab a buddy and do it the next best way. www.kamajiujitsu.com/memberships/

[@Folkan89]

Im a white belt GJJ from Sweden, and im visiting Dallas this April, i would love to visit you there =)

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Please do.

[@user-ev6vw5dm2b]

Tränar du på gracie jiu jitsu luleå? Finns det nån annan GJJ skola i hela Sverige. Menar då GST’s

[@random-videos]

I wish I could train at your gym! You have a balanced outlook on BJJ!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Make it happen!

[@random-videos]

@@KamaJiuJitsu Texas here I come :) I love that Grappling Belt from Kataaro you recommended.. it just doesn't come loose during rolling! REALLY AMAZING

[@LS-fd6tl]

Competing IS good for self defence because it trains in fighting under pressure with adrenaline!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+First Class, perhaps. Not at all saying competing is a bad thing to try. But you KNOW no one will try punching you in the face when you invert, kick you in the face while playing sitting guard, elbow your spine while playing turtle, slam you when you jump guard, or when you hold a triangle when your opponents lifts you off the ground... yeah, you're absolutely correct.

[@LS-fd6tl]

Kama Jiu Jitsu agree with everything in that comment (especially the lack of slams - which kinda puts me off the IBFJJ rule set - far prefer the ADCC) I like the notion of combat jiu jitsu and as an MMA fighter I roll alot with simulated punches and knees etc. However some of the original GJJ self-defence methods are REALLY bad! In particular their weapon defence (the knives and bat defence I saw are flat out stupid). I also don't like their escapes from the RNC (the headlock one isn't so bad but difficult against a much stronger guy). If you ever get the chance, search Rich Dimitri's senshido system on youtube - he's one of VERY FEW rsbd guys I actually rate. Some amazing concepts that will work even better with high level bjj or cacc

[@TheJuanverde]

you have to train for punches, if you don't, your BJJ is incomplete IMO. We had a competitive student come into our school (gracie academy) recently and it was scary how open he left himself to getting blasted in the face and seriously hurt.

[@rye-bread5236]

jon greene because honestly pal it's more of a sport from what I've seen. That's why personally I'm more of a Aikijitsu (in terms of jujutsu) and boxing fan. (any kind, be it Thai, Chinese, western)

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

or just go to a Traditional Gracie Jiu-Jitsu school.

[@rye-bread5236]

Kama Jiu Jitsu that's an option too. Personally I would rather study true Luta Livre instead of Bjj. (in terms of sports ground fighting) But that's because its more interesting to me. (it's also historically bjjs rival.) but either way as long as I'm training and it isn't some scam crap I'm happy.

[@ScorpioDemonBoy]

That's why I really respect 10th Planet no-gi. It's not dependent on you or your opponent wearing specific clothing or adhering to any rules of conduct. If you watch Eddie Bravo's style progress in footage, it's really interesting the way he transitioned from using a traditional method and started grappling in a no-gi style while still facing people who used the iconic techniques that utilize his and their own gi. Almost the polar opposite of someone like Keenan Cornelius, who pushes the envelop on innovative gi-grip techniques at a very high level of competition. Grappling is just something that is so open-ended that it really just depends on where your focus lies. The more educated you become in other styles, the more you will be prepared to defend their techniques and also begin to integrate the ones that compliment your martial art and personal style. If you are a strong wrestler, learning how to utilize a bjj guard will close a large gap in your game. Very similar for a bjj practitioner who learns how to shoot good takedowns. It's all really just one interconnected web of knowledge and movement that you can't learn ALL of. You just have to go with what's best for your body and mind. There's not much sense in closing yourself off from different arts and philosophies when they all have the same fundamental concept in mind.

[@mikimiyazaki]

jon greene it depends. i boxed for along time amd had great sparring partners, 1 was a multiple time state champ. i just started at 10th planet and while​ my coach does talk about the differences in certain positions relative to a street fight scenario, were learning Jiu Jitsu vs Jiu Jitsu.

[@Kamoblue]

Professor, PLEASE come to Houston Texas. I’d be honored to be a part of the Kama school.

[@cruzcontrol39]

Hi Professor, love your vids. Just curious all the Gracie places I've trained at, they really dont roll very much. Is it the same at your place? My school is primarily comp, but we do require self defence tech to belt up... For us its 95% comp, 5%self defence.

[@martialartsclub2032]

I feel the better you are at competition the better you are at self defense. because you can't go 100% in self defense. you can go 100% as hard as you can in competition and get to compete with all types of bodies

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Adriano Aguiare, two completely different concepts.

[@122222770]

I think it's important to do competitions, however they are about winning trophies by playing a point game. So you adjust your training to work on specific fades or techniques for points. It's not self defense. It may, in some ways, hurt your ability to do self defense. Ideally, you would do both self defense and tournaments.

[@machinegunpreacher2469]

In the street, etc., it's not just about being able to get a submission, though; and it's certainly not about points. Self defense is not just about the physical. Situational awareness is as important as - if not more important than - your physical technique. In competition you have one man in front of you that you focus all your attention on. His team - NORMALLY!!! ;) - won't be charging at you during the match; so you don't have to worry about watching your back etc. I compete a lot, I love it; and I plan to do it until (should the Lord allow me to live another 30 years or so) I'm forced to retire due to having too many degrees on my black belt). But competition is most certainly a different realm due to so many more variables you have to be aware of. In our association (Gracie United-Team Jucao South), we teach competition and self defense in what I feel is a good balance. Also most of our schools have kickboxing/striking and MMA classes that help people learn to deal with ground strikes. We can't (it's nigh on impossible to effectively do) teach the strict Helio Gracie curriculum and train competition all at once. So we deal with both aspects in good measure. Also, it is my opinion that competition training does offer the bonus of learning to quickly and efficiently defeat a well trained grappler. Therefore I believe it can be a help in certain areas of self defense. Contrary to what you may hear, there are grapplers and MMA fighters who do go around causing trouble and starting fights. So not only do you have self defense to deal with Joe-Schmoe; you have plenty of advanced, grappling centric experience that can help you deal with that one-in-1000 jiu jitsu fighter that has a bad attitude.Even schools that are strictly competition based, should teach a little self defense. If not actual technique, maybe how to be aware of the overall situation in self defense. Again, I think there is plenty of room to study both (though again, perhaps not a full time, Gracie-type, strict defense curricula). It's my opinion that we keep a very good balance of sport and self defense training. Our students have great successes in all areas of fighting. We have IBJJF and NAGA world champions at all belt levels, including black, MMA champions in multiple promotions; and constant reports from our students using jiu jitsu in self defense in every imaginable situation (most of our schools are in - what is now called - the Greater New Orleans Metropolitan Area. Needless to say, there are plenty of rough characters to be found. Therefore situational awareness and self defense technique are something I try to get people to think about; whether they compete or not. In conclusion: You can train both; just be aware of what applies where. I tell kids in my class (I'm a purple belt assistant instructor; but I also teach an extra kids class once a week): If I hear about you using an inverted armbar, guard work (other than may be necessary in a surprise attack/knockdown etc.), or other competition techniques in self defense, whether successful or not, you will do 100 extra pushups in each class for 6 weeks. I love competition, but you MUST know when to flip the switch when it comes to self defense. If not, you will get hurt or killed sooner or later. You can train both, I do; but KNOW when you can and can't do certain things. Good gracious, I didn't mean to get so long winded. Sometimes having a Baptist preacher as a jiu jitsu instructor can be a double edged sword, LOL. Anyway, thank you sir (@Kama Jiu Jitsu) for the video; and @Adriano Aguiare: Good luck with your training.

[@machinegunpreacher2469]

Sorry, I don't know why it knocked the paragraphs out.... I had it typed much more readable....

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Machinegun Preacher, thank you for the detailed explanation!

[@addisonporter1316]

Hey what is if there is any difference between Machado Jiu Jitsu and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu?

[@english_american_8220]

Addison Porter I think Machado JJ is GJJ ... JJ Machado was trained by Rickson Gracie ( I think ) 🤙🏻🔺♥️

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

as told to me by Roger Machado in the brief time he taught at my school in Orange County, CA, he said that when he and his brothers founded Machado Jiu-Jitsu, they made the decision to NOT do challenge matches, nor allow their students to do them, as well. he said that GJJ had proven itself as effective in the decades prior, and they were going to let the Gracie Academy focus on that. instead, the Machados would "focus on Jiu-Jitsu only," which i took to mean they would focus on the groundwork almost exclusively.

[@infoguy1978]

so i guess a boxer wouldnt be good in a real fist fight since he fights with gloves and rounds?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

nah, i'd bet most boxers would be fine. except against a good wrestler...

[@AbsoluteADCC]

infoguy1978 Boxer should be fine, but again if you clinch him and take to the ground, it will be a different world for him. Also, let’s not forget that when you punch with full power without wraps and gloves you can hurt your hand really bad and lose the fight.

[@Peter-wl3tm]

I feel that a guy who trains jiu jitsu for self defense i.e. gjj can and will handle himself well in competition too, would you agree?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Completely

[@dswynne]

Okay, I have a dilemma. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, where there are plenty of BJJ and GJJ schools (I know that there is a Ralph Gracie Academy in Berkeley, near where I live). There is even a traditional Japanese Jujitsu school in Oakland. My problem is this: right now, I can't afford to take classes at a regular school, but my local community college offers a Jiujitsu class (with the emphasis on BJJ), which is something that I can afford. Now, I will be able to afford the cost of tuition at a regular jiujitsu academy in a few months, but I am concerned about cost. I don't want to waste money taking classes at the early stages of my training, but I would not mind paying for the cost of lessons when I actually develop some proficiency. My question: should I take BJJ classes at the local community college first (the maximum number of times I can retake the course, even after completing it, is four semesters...or 18 months), and then "transfer" to an actual academy, or should I just go to a traditional school and eat the cost from the very beginning? The only thing I care about is maximizing the benefits of training (with the emphasis on self-defense), and getting proficient at it with very little difficulty (especially as a transfer student). Anyway, thank you for hearing me out, and take care out there in Texas. Peace.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+DSWynne unfortunately, none of us here at KJJ had the option to train jiu-jitsu as part of a college class. Not sure how good it would be, though.

[@dswynne]

Okay, thanks. One more thing: should I enroll in a standard BJJ school or a GJJ school? I just want to make sure that when I do commit, I make the right decision.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+DSWynne, mostly comes down to checking with what and how they teach. They may call themselves BJJ, yet cover the self defense in depth, or they may call themselves GJJ and do none at all. Do a free trial, ask questions of the instructors and students, as well.

[@guitarzarfun]

yep. I went to a BJJ school for 2 years. Self d scenario was the very first lesson of each class every day. Incorporating striking, Basic Muay Thai(the instructor was a also a certified Kru in MT). Now I'm at a GJJ school for 3 weeks now and have yet to see a self-D lesson.

[@bugs4680]

how can u tell the diffrence as a beginner

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Brian Keane an easy way is to ask the school owner how often their members enter competitions. Fewer competitions (I would say) tends to show less of a focus on tournaments. You can also ask who they affiliate under. If one of Helio's sons, grandsons, or the Valentes, chances are self defense is a large component of their curriculum.

[@bugs4680]

Kama Jiu Jitsu thanks alot .ty for taking the time to answere very helpful

[@MrMZaccone]

If you start learning how not to get punched in your first lesson, it might be Gracie Jiu-jitsu. If you don't ... it isn't.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Edmond Dantez, lol. Very true!

[@smorrow0816]

You did not describe the difference as outlined in your title…just sayin.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Hmm

[@victorherreraguzman5014]

do you do any kind of seminars for foreigners to Dallas area? Mainly since I live in Mexico, but I'd be willing to go over there.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Of course, we do it all the time. Contact us direct on our FB page (Kama Jiu-Jitsu) or email us at [e-mail] and we can put something together for you.

[@dylanflinton187]

Are you going to open up shop near the san Antonio area?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

It’s in the plan.

[@rlee6984]

Hi I noticed you mention you used to train at the Gracie Torrance in a few of your videos but later went to Ricksons school. I'm currently looking for self defense Jiujitsu near me so I was wondering how much different is Rickson and your style of gracie Jiujitsu compared to Gracie Academy/combatives, because the only Jiujitsu school like that near by that really focuses on the self defense part is a CTC center about 30 mins away from me. Thank you in advance

[@10359877]

There is no difference because both these schools are from the Helio lineage. Its the mentality and ethos they teach you. Both these academies are based on street fights/self defense mindset and rarely teach you moves that are centered on competition. I think the only school that actually teaches sport from the Helio lineage is the Gracie Humaita academy run by Royler and Rolker. Hope this helps.

[@rlee6984]

@@10359877 Thank you for the reply! I actually went to a Humaita school to see what they offered and because its literally 5 mins from my house but I found out that majority of the week is focused on competition and Thursday is for self defense which isn't what I was looking for, so I ended up checking out a Gracie CTC that's about 35mins away and ended up signing up with them because it's the type of instruction I was looking for. Thanks again for the reply

[@10359877]

@@rlee6984 Good choice! jiu jitsu as it was meant to be! self defense first and foremost!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

oh, no. there is a BIG difference.

[@TheMMAVOICE]

Kama Jiu-Jitsu can you elaborate? I was under the impression the the Gracie Academy is in harmony with Rickson’s vision. Thanks bro!

[@Lancers262]

When I visit a GJJ school, how do I know if they are a true GJJ school? The reason I ask is because I too used to train at the Gracie Academy. I also did the sport aspect of BJJ because it develops my sensitivity of what techniques to use. After moving, I stopped training because my work schedule. I wanted my wife to study GJJ to she can defend herself on the ground. She did Krav Maga so she has no problem with defending herself while standing. I found a BJJ school that claims they teach GJJ because the head instructor trained at Gracie Academy when he was young. There were many videos of him doing the Gracie challenge, so it does verify that he did studied at the Gracie Academy. After my wife spent a month at their school, I learned that there was no striking and how to use GJJ when your opponents are striking you. I learned that they were only teaching the sport side of BJJ. So is there a set of questions to verify if the school is truly a GJJ school or traditional BJJ school?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Lancers262, you really don't. It pays far more in revenue and new students if you concentrate your school's overall marketing on competition. Most neighborhoods where BJJ is taught are completely safe and self-defense is not anywhere near the top of the "concerns" list. I once dropped in to a school owned by 5 black belts of an old school master with spectacular credentials in GJJ. No one there taught self defense anymore; all competition BJJ now. I was bummed for that, but still had a great time training with the great people there, including one of the founding black belts. I'd say for every 10 academies I've visited, one will still teach traditional Gracie Self Defense as part of every class, every day.

[@jpjp3873]

To go the gracie university web site and see the accredited schools list for your area.

[@Tigersharkmma]

Karmamobile - GOOD One !!!!

[@TheMass33]

Awesome

[@pokemon6789998212]

Do you have mma programs at your gym? Do you offer private classes?

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+pokemon6789998212, Kama Jiu-Jitsu does Vale Tudo. And yes, all our instructors offer private sessions.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+pokemon6789998212, Kama Jiu-Jitsu doesn't do MMA, but we do train our advanced members in the old Gracie Vale Tudo. Yes, we do offer private sessions to those who have an interest. Contact me at [e-mail] and I'll get you set up with a KJJ instructor near you. Thanks for checking in!

[@danielandrews7378]

hmmmm, is there really a difference? I mean really? other than they may have different ranking systems. I mean a kimura is a kimura.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

you're correct, a kimura is a kimura. If all of jiu-jitsu were so simple as simply being "kimura vs kimura," you'd be absolutely right in there being no difference between the two. in other words, yes, there is a big (and ever growing) difference as the years go on.

[@danielandrews7378]

like what... sport vs self defence?

[@complexblackness]

Yes, in most BJJ schools you'll learn only sport techniques and in the Gracie JJ system you'll learn actual self defense techniques. Gracie JJ is self defense focused (How to manage distance, punch blocking (from your back/standing), choke defense in a street scenario, etc) 90% of the other schools are sport (No punching, no kicking defenses) many of these schools claim self defense but if there is no punching/kicking defenses then it's not self defense.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+ComplexBlackness thank you for that.

[@rye-bread5236]

Exaclty it's still Gracie Judo just another way to market it. The marketing artists, the Gracies are good at what they do.

[@martialartsclub2032]

If u want self defense take hapkido. we call it standing jujistu

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

in my ignorant opinion, i would be led to believe hapkido is closer to a blend of TKD and judo.

[@random-videos]

Adriano Aguiare right.....

[@garybolenable]

@@KamaJiuJitsu More like TKD and Aikido I think. I trained in Aikido and afterwards in Hapkido when my job transferred me to Korea. I was surprised with how the joint locks I was taught in Hapkido were basically the same joint locks I had learned in Aikido. Other than that, Hapkido (that I experienced) was all kicks and punches (no emphasis on takedowns), with the joint locks thrown in, but basically it isn't any different than any other standing martial art. If I had to do it all over again, having trained in Aikido, Hapkido and Jiu-jitsu, I would train Jiu-jitsu and Muy Thai if I wanted to be competent in self-defense.

[@greekpimp77]

Does your BJJ school go over gun and knife defense?? Striking from standing like side kicks?? GJJ has striking. NOT just striking on the ground. Does your school teach you how to tie a man up in the guard and NOT allow him to punch you in the face?? Does your BJJ show you how to close the distance and NOT get hit while doing so?? LOOK up on youtube all the old Gracie self-defense systems, and after watching the videos ask yourself does your teacher even know these movements.

[@greekpimp77]

I went to 7 other schools in Houston. All were sport till I found Urban Jungle. My teacher was taught by Royce Gracie himself. So I know what sport JJ is!! Trust me there is a difference!!!!

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

+Steve Symeonidis, KJJ goes over all that. In fact, Dave Kama was just here in April and last weekend specifically to reinforce those techniques.

[@greekpimp77]

I was talking to every one. Anybody who watches this video and does Jiu Jitsu needs to ask themselves those questions.

[@beeatoms]

"gracie" jiu jitsu is a trademark. that's it. its all BJJ.

[@KamaJiuJitsu]

Oswaldo Fadda may disagree.

[@beeatoms]

Im sure several "pioneers" would disagree. doesn't make them right. just means that they have their own ego and brand to protect. rickson certainly has his.

[@TheJuanverde]

beeatoms I'll put my money on a "Gracie" jiujitsu student who trains for punches vs. the same rank from your run of the mill comp.bjj school any day

[@MrMZaccone]

It IS a trademark but like any trademark it represents and attempts to control the quality of the product. All GJJ is BJJ but not all BJJ is GJJ just like McDonalds AND MANY OTHERS make hamburgers but not all hamburgers are McDonalds.

[@greekpimp77]

Does your BJJ school go over gun and knife defense?? Striking from standing like side kicks?? GJJ has striking. NOT just striking on the ground. Does your school teach you how to tie a man up in the guard and NOT allow him to punch you in the face?? Does your BJJ show you how to close the distance and NOT get hit while doing so?? LOOK up on youtube all the old Gracie defense systems, and after watching the videos ask yourself does your teacher even know these movements.