Grand Theft Auto 5's Ray Traced Reflections Upgrade Tested on PS5 and Xbox Series X

[@existentialselkath1264]

I cant help but feel it was the bare minimum to tick that extra marketing box, but that doesn't mean it isn't still a pretty good improvement.

[@dvngnt]

ps2 got 3 GTA games. GTA 5 got 3 PlayStations

[@flexbox2089]

It's a pretty old engine. There's probably so much they can do without gutting the whole thing

[@cody3335]

Hey it’s progress and the reflections are really nice

[@chrisstucker1813]

@@cody3335 still not good enough if you’re gonna charge money for it again. Witcher 3 upgrade didn’t cost anything and it’s 10x more impressive than this half assed crap.

[@SolidBoss7]

What "marketing" needs to be done to sell a 9 year old game that everyone already owns like 3 times each? This is called fan service and long term support. Always something to b**** about

[@launchpadmcquack4971]

Can some please explain to me why Rockstar refuses to do a next gen update for RDR2?

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

The game already looks like a next gen game. Do wish that they would patch it for 60fps though. GTA V is almost 10 years old at this point and looks it.

[@lumaseed6490]

There are not enough people playing RDR2 for them to "make money" in return for the labor needed to produce the ray tracing updates.

[@Dib4ma]

so much needed its still 30 fps on PS5

[@ancientflames]

look at gtaV total active players and revenue vs rdr2. easy answer my guy.

[@dtf56980]

Money. GTA makes them more money than RDR2

[@joda1696]

Man I wish they give us RDR 2 60fps on next gen consoles

[@Jackjackalex]

Rockstar actually were planning to but since the GTA Trilogy Remaster bombed both critically and financially, they stopped production on the RDR 1 and 2 remasters. Including the GTA 4 remaster.

[@Youraveragegamer_97]

Just get a PC

[@winrargameplays]

It could be easily done by support FSR 2.1, we would get a beautiful 4k image with 60 fps without any big effort from the team I suppose, but they are just lazy

[@doczypatrik410]

*current gen

[@Rebel_at_Heart]

....and full 4k res on PS5....

[@mattlandry]

I actually really like this upgrade. While low in detail, the vehicle reflections really add a lot to the immersion when driving around

[@j0nnyism]

Yea the ray tracing really helps. It looks good for a 10 year old game

[@balloonb0y677]

@@j0nnyismfrl, idk how the fact that gta 5 was built from an engine and code from the 360 era will make rt implementing super hard.

[@ramtinbass]

Get VisualV's shaders to replace in update2.rpf except maybe vehicle mesh, it does better than this Or get the latest Natural Vision Evolved and get the True RT reflections experience without that much of hardware tax maybe?

[@Lloyal23]

It’s good to see Rockstar playing around with the Tech. We’ll see what they can really do with RT in GTA6.

[@joemarais7683]

By the time GTA6 comes, we’ll probably scoff at its archaic ray tracing tech and ask why the game isn’t fully path traced.

[@Rebel_at_Heart]

on current consoles probably not much.... but on PC is a whole different story tho....

[@ryanwaignwright6857]

GTA 6? Hope your young and have very good genes.

[@jesser4221]

@@Rebel_at_Heart I mean we are talking about Rockstar. The one who made RDR2 run at native 4K on One X. I think they are testing if it's viable or not. My guess is that they will include RT Shadow but not RT reflection but who knows.

[@electrikoptik]

I wouldn't set my hopes too high for GTA6 because they might still release it for last-gen (PS4, Xbox one), especially knowing how greedy rockstar is. If GTA6 is cross-gen means PS5, Xbox series will be held back no matter how good they can scale the graphics engine.

[@AbernathyCrimson]

I really wish Fidelity Mode had a 40FPS option. I would use that over Performance RT.

[@Haywood-Jablomie]

Yes, I totally agree. 40FPS is a much better way to play. If there was a way to make 40FPS or 45FPS the minimum standard, it would provide excellent playability and allow developers to push consoles a bit further by not forcing them to target 60FPS while dropping details. 40FPS at super high resolution and details would be amazing

[@dbfzato-1327]

@@Haywood-Jablomie problem is 60hrz is still the standard for most tvs we would have to make 120hrz the standard for 40 to fit 45 don't break into 60 or 120 well so not great really will get tearing, and vrr is best not used below 48fps

[@AbernathyCrimson]

@@Haywood-Jablomie Yeah, I play Spider-Man, The Last of Us and more at 40FPS when given the option. I have a big TV so I try to stick to 4K or very close to it as much as possible. 1440P or 1080P at higher frames just doesn’t cut it.

[@ZorMon]

A screen with 120hz has also VRR in many cases, so unfixed framerate is even better.

[@dbfzato-1327]

@@ZorMon you cant use vrr below 48fps or it looks worse

[@racky2]

I am so happy that developers let us choose now. Most people prefer the RT performance mode, but I'm a huge sucker for ray traced reflections, so I'm really glad they give me this option, despite most of the player base choosing the 60fps mode.

[@FreeAimDog]

thats because its easier to aim with 60 fps and fly aircraft, i notice a overhaul in the aiming in general. with auto aim off it was much harder to make shots in first person with the assault rifles but on ps5 it feels more responsive.

[@enforcement2]

I am with you on prioritising a more detailed experience rather than a more fluid one, given that a choice of either or more or less has to be made. And this enhancement might have had to do with why I find chrome rims, for example, more bearable than before switching console generation around the turn of the year, when a banal to gimmick kind of impression tended to accompany said aspect.

[@blakegriplingph]

FYI: The "cubemaps" generated by the engine are actually dual paraboloid maps, which are similar to cubemaps but only take up two sides instead of six as a less expensive measure. Problem is that your geometry has to be sufficiently tesselated for the reflections to display properly.

[@ScootyPuffJrSux]

Yep, those are words alright

[@TheBrazilRules]

So it only has cameras on both sides of the vehicle?

[@WarzoneXProductions]

Nobody is pointing this out but ever since they added the RT reflections in the game , it broke the cube map reflections for glass across the other modes. In performance and performance RT Glass reflects nothing now. It’s especially noticeable on cars, but tinted windows it just looks like the glass isn’t even there. They don’t even reflect the skybox like how it use to. Even ps4/ps3 had this implanted.

[@adamothman1124]

Do you mean ever since this update or ever since the ps5/xsx update?

[@WarzoneXProductions]

@@adamothman1124 ever since the drug wars update. I do play on next he though so it might be an isolated issue for those platforms

[@blueThunder192]

Is this fixed? Just bought PS5 version today

[@oh_god_dammit]

​@@blueThunder192pretty sure that issue was fixed a while ago, don't worry

[@tomalexander4327]

I'd imagine all of these updates are technology tests in order to collect data for GTA 6.

[@hotel_arcadia]

Don't be daft

[@DanniDuck]

Definitely new engine tech if RDR 2 didn't have it. Interesting that they are still making low level changes to the renderer in their old game.

[@BlipBlopFlipFlop]

Collect Data?

[@Shredderof_POWDA]

Is the word tests lingo for money? Because that's what this update is all about lol. Digging into the pockets on yet another generation/platform.

[@Vno27]

It looks great in fidelity mode but I just can’t go back to 30 fps. It still looks really good in performance mode anyway.

[@ZeitGeist_TV]

Same thing I said, had this been a launch feature then I would've played with RT on in story mode on my XSX. When it comes to online though it's performance mode only.

[@sellingacoerwa8318]

no one can I'm sure. It's nice to have the option but playing at 30 after playing 60 feels awful, just awful.

[@JFinns]

Yea there is simply no going back from 60fps. On PC you can use RT at 60fps with any RTX 30 series, but current gen consoles can't handle it.

[@dxtremecaliber]

@@JFinns RT with 60fps is really demanding tho i cant blame the consoles specs and its just recently PCs can handle that kind of settings 20 series cant do that either With all that said 60fps is freaking must this gen if your game is not 60fps then you need to replace your programmers

[@sellingacoerwa8318]

@UCOQUcZJiZ44O76mNk_9IdUQ and when you add the shader stutter the fps can often cap at 15!

[@thanksbetotap]

This was excellently comprehensive! It’s great they fixed the prior car shadow issue on Xbox, and hopefully they fix the other issues raised across this video.

[@ZeitGeist_TV]

It's a legacy game and engine that started on the Xbox 360 so the pop in and other issues will always be there since the game currently is a enhanced edition not a full remaster.

[@thanksbetotap]

@@ZeitGeist_TV It’s literally an updated native port for PS5 and Xbox Series. They added ray tracing and a hundred other things…

[@ZeitGeist_TV]

@@thanksbetotap I'm aware of everything they added from the Xbox One/PS4 ports but I'm also aware of certain issues like pop in that won't be fixed as was hoped when they initially talked of these current gen enhanced edition.

[@Extremexboxplayer]

@@thanksbetotap "native" and "port" cannot be used together as they are the opposite of each other, also all versions of the game that aren't the xbox 360 and ps3 versions are console ports of the xbox one and ps4 version. it's simply an updated version of that same xbox one and ps4 port so it will still have it's limits, hence why the PC version also has this issue despite the fact that consoles don't compare to a top of the line PC.

[@thanksbetotap]

@@Extremexboxplayer Native and port are effectively synonyms in this case. Meaning, they were ported to the newer AMD silicon as native support taking full advantage of the hardware. Meaning, they’re obviously not running emulated or in a VM or in some other form of containerized backwards compatibility process or via translation layer approach like WINE.

[@TheGravityShifter]

If they can retrofit RT reflections to make Fidelity more worth using, I hope they'll also add in VRR Mode so we on console can enjoy it at 40fps and make performance mode more worth it by giving that 120fps.

[@tarnishedd]

Imagine playing gta5 in 30 fps almost 10 years later..

[@12coco100]

Well... I platinum the game at 30fps

[@MrHope86]

@@12coco100 thanks for letting us know.

[@dickswingston8854]

@@12coco100 Don't you feel dirty?

[@12coco100]

@@michalthekind path tracing is the ultimate lighting method games will get to eventually, it'll take a couple generations for big games to full use path tracing though

[@12coco100]

@@dickswingston8854 I also bought the PS5 version too. I have all 3 GTA 5 releases in Playstation.

[@SHHitsOVER254]

I just want real reflections on car mirrors.

[@btnhstillfire]

Its pretty damn close…Ive been having more fun w this game over the last minth than i ever did. Im noticing all the tiny little things that all add up. Detail of the roads themselves, feel of the car on all surfaces. Reflections, lighting, clarity, and yes the car mirrors actually show whats behind you now..

[@x-coin0420]

They are but only when standing outside the car 🤣

[@Truekingr6]

I remember thinking we were gonna get that on PS4 , imagine my disappointment. And then on release day for ps5, ugh but we're getting there. I'm sure GTA 6 will have real reflections. It can't be any worse that what they have now right?

[@balloonb0y677]

@@Truekingr6gta 6 does, look at the trailer. And it actually looks like real life reflections

[@Andrewtate200]

Wait for gta6.. Simple

[@darkl3ad3r]

I always felt that RT reflections were the most ideal target for the first full fledged implementation of ray tracing on current gen hardware. They can be done fairly cheaply compared to global illumination and deliver massive visual improvements over currently available technologies for handling reflections (cubemaps and SSR) so it makes the most sense to me that they should be done right and implemented in all games going forward.

[@selohcin]

I don't know about that. Ray-traced reflections in Cyberpunk on PC are just as demanding as ray-traced global illumination. I agree that they make more of an easily noticeable difference, but I think that ray-traced sun shadows make even more of a difference when you're out running about the world.

[@Ignacio.Romero]

Quite the opposite, they're very demanding. Ray traced reflections with decent performance is only possible when roughness isn't simulated like in this case, or the upcoming Forza 8

[@Demmrir]

RT GI is more transformative for any game with real-time lighting and about as intense on the GPU. Reflections are better for games with fixed time of day. Shadows are actually the cheapest effect by far so long as they mix RT and raster shadows. (SOTTR in Medium mode has lovely RT shadows for small light sources, raster shadows for sun, and runs extremely quickly.)

[@gunswinger3110]

I wouldn't really go as far as saying RT reflections would have a huge graphical improvement in a game compared to RTGI or sun shadows.

[@fh5kskalf]

It's so stupid that the ray tracing update isn't available for PC.

[@FaddyMatty]

Rockstar hates the pc platform.

[@bonster101]

makes perfect sense since Take Two is the Nazi's of game publishers

[@HugoStiglitz88]

Lmfao PC Master Race!!

[@HugoStiglitz88]

@@bonster101 *publishers

[@Zanarkand102]

​@@FaddyMatty they hate PC because they hate mods to their games.

[@AndyDo]

I love that Rod Edge was just straight up called out as the cutscene director in the cutscene critique. Chef's hug. Not quite Chef's first base.

[@journeysuperstar81original]

Add a 1080p mode with RT reflections and shadows with 60fps. I’m sure they could do it.

[@anita.b]

1080p in 2023 is crazy

[@nich0_l4ss97]

People can't take 30 fps but full hd is still acceptable ​@@anita.b

[@Nexus.Achiles]

That would be my choice too, even on my LG C3 4K TV.

[@thiagovidal6137]

4:19 You're mistaken. That is exactly how it should behave. The reflection getting smaller as you get close is accurate.

[@whiskhot]

You are perfectly right. Just checked on a mirror and the reflections got smaller as i got closer to the mirror!

[@ilove2learn783]

Amazing how it shows all the problems in all games not just in GTA

[@frankbreuer7185]

For me, the ray tracing patch was enough to buy it again (was in sale) for Series X. Bought it years ago for PS4 & had only 1 playthrough. In terms of modes, I'm deciding from game to game. In this case I play in fidelity mode, simply because it looks really nice & the RT reflections adding a lot to the immersion imo. The stable 30fps cap doesn't bother me. So far, all GTAs were 30 on consoles, so what!? Of course it would be even better with Ray tracing AND 60fps, but the way it runs now doesn't mean I can't enjoy playing it 🤷‍♂️

[@Bernard1127]

It would be nice to see these improvements on PC as well. Sure, you can tinker a few things with mods, but it's easier to just update the original code. Keeping my hopes up for it.

[@kusayfarhan9943]

This is exactly why they won't release it on PC.

[@oropher1234]

You won't ever get RT reflections with mods... the only thing you will get with a mod is Screen Space GI, which is basically raytraced lighting for lights that are onscreen.

[@Bernard1127]

@@oropher1234 exactly!

[@RDR911]

@@Bernard1127 What did that comment you make contribute?

[@madbruv]

@@oropher1234 so portal rtx does not exist? Thats a mod

[@beardalaxy]

I would rather see no reflections than broken ones. Definitely starting to notice some of these low-res textures, too. You can only ask so much from a game this old, though.

[@Iamfirebird360]

RDR2 needs a 60fps patch.

[@Piizzachuu]

This is nice and all but we need more support for RDR2! Give us at least 60fps on PS5 and Series X!

[@CricetoFunni]

@Salt Maker thank you for your valuable input

[@nthnglsn]

Not sure but I think this is the first time a console received graphics updates that didn't come to pc version😢

[@Kiyuja]

Had no idea this was even a thing. Thanks for covering it

[@xnixon19]

Rockstar found time to add more ray tracing effects to a nine year old game but couldn’t find away to add 60fps to a game less than half its age. Looking at you RD2 😒

[@Phreno_Xeno]

Because GTA is their cash cow. RDR2 isn't.

[@moog38yearsagoupdated1mont9]

Weird I have 144fps

[@wanshurst2416]

That's why i am glad that i switched to PC. Played it first on the one x. 2 months ago on a 3080. 1440p, everything maxed out and still around 100 fps. That game looks so good. If you ever played on a high end rig you will never want to use a console anymore. Or Cyberpunk with mods which pushes the game even further. Totally awesome

[@exsinner]

huh so weird, that is the only thing consoole player wants. So no graphic fidelity upgrade that us pc player had access to since the start? Just a friendly reminder that console equivalent settings on pc are mostly at medium settings.

[@kay_luhb]

tons more people play GTAV than RDR2, I doubt Rockstar cares to do anymore work at all on it since the online is so unpopular

[@MarmaladeSally]

A crime we didn’t get this on PC.

[@XR4turbo]

In some ways I feel like a title like GTA V would benefit more from ray traced GI rather than reflections - accurate GI is a much more immersive update (vs rasterized GI) compared to ray traced reflections vs cube maps or other solutions. Don't get me wrong, both are great, but with a limited budget, I think I might prefer the GI

[@dickdanson]

I think pretty much everyone would prefer ray traced GI, lighting in open world games with dynamic time of day is usually very weird looking a lot of the time.

[@williamcrms]

Seems like there's enough performance overhead for better RT reflection detail (or at least some lower hanging fruit like SSR and cubemap improvements) now that the game has dynamic resolution scaling... so I don't see this as more than a barebones effort tbh. Doesn't really compete with other transformative implementations of RT seen in other games this gen. Maybe it could have gotten there with FSR 2 or some in-house upscaler to free up more resources.

[@FungeHucker]

I just can't give up those RT effects and massive resolution + LOD increase for 60fps in this game. It just looks so much better overall. Seeing as it's a proper solid 30fps in Quality mode I'm very happy with this addition. I may go back for another play through now :) I've always been happy on both PC and console to drop to 30fps for a substantial increase in graphical fidelity. Of course 60fps feels much better but depending on the game 30fps is perfectly playable for me.

[@Hellraiser988]

Problem is it's not a solid 30 there's lots of stutter

[@ianminto5917]

Imagine playing through a 9 year old game again at the same frame rate from 2013

[@FungeHucker]

@@ianminto5917 well you can always play it at 60fps :) that's still lookin' good! I wouldn't say it's a bad choice at all. Imagine taking time out your day to post complaints on KZbin (one that's copy & pasted at that 😂) about what frame rate people choose to play at without offering any real point of discussion... 🤔 Definitely a big boy comment. Sorry I disappointed you.

[@FungeHucker]

@@Hellraiser988 true. Although I'm not finding it too bad personally. Hopefully they patch it up eh? 🤞

[@nickgovier]

It sucks when developers introduce an effect but massively exaggerate it. Those car body reflections (e.g. 1:55) are effectively mirrors. Dial down the effect to 50% so it blends properly with the other contributions of the material itself and it would instantaneously look so much better.

[@pixels_per_inch]

I guess since GTA 5 lacks physically based materials, they're using a very crude RT implementation, applying it to certain surfaces in a binary fashion and using only sharp reflections which reduces the amount of samples needed.

[@sav145]

Mirrored rt reflections are less taxing on gpu If they have not opted for it they cannot achieve 30 fps in fidelity

[@TerminatorZXY]

Yeah, it's like those 2012 ENB Series mods for GTA SA where everything was shiny as plastic and they thought it's realistic lol

Honestly this is my usual issue with ray tracing. In all the games it just makes everything a mirror.

[@MrSonicAdvance]

I used to play games with ASCII character graphics. Things sure have come a long way!

[@Zeegoku1007]

Damn... GG ✌️

[@liuby33]

I bet you still play that game with ASCII character graphics.

[@DUMBDUDEGAMER]

I just ported Doom (1993) to Command Prompt using ASCII graphics. ASCII forever. I want RT ASCII graphics next.

[@Rebel_at_Heart]

yeah..... and when i saw Future Crew's "Second Reality" closing scene demo (3d starcraft flying thu 3d city) i though that can't be true that this kind of graphics can and will be rendered real time anytime soon :)

[@DanniDuck]

@@DUMBDUDEGAMER RT ASCII already exists

[@bigrageno.2259]

1080p60 with these settings would be nice so much

[@shinokami007]

60 fps for the current gen is kinda hard to achieve in a title like gta5

[@JDG-vn4ti]

@@shinokami007no it isn’t gta v is light work for ps5 and series x I’m Suprised this game can’t run 4k60

[@bigrageno.2259]

@@JDG-vn4ti same here tbh. 2012 game originaly. But must say im quiet impressed with the RT. It's just that devs don't care about console players wishes for higher performance and often go for visuals that looks good for sure, but they neglect the optimisation most of this generation

[@bigrageno.2259]

@@shinokami007 no it's not lol. That's on devs being stupidly engaged in visuals only stuff and not the performance stuff. 1080p60 on this mode, with vrr and even maybe fsr for the "fake image" would have been a better or option or an better alternative

[@MisterDrumsNoob]

All I wanted was a simple 60fps patch for RDR 2 on PS5. They could just uncap the framerate for the ps4 pro version running through backwards compatibility, I would be happy with it.

[@10whiten99]

Would be nice to have it running at native 4k on PS5 too. The resolution is unfortunately quite a bit lower than what the One X was running due to PS4 Pro being less powerful

[@applehazeva2739]

@@10whiten99 Series S Gamer right here, we have it worse. One S Version plays through BC and it shows. Its 900p

[@Motion_God]

Not gonna happen for free there gonna charge you for it

[@jaysway8972]

@@applehazeva2739 series s has fps boost on so many past games that ps users don’t get. I wish we had fps boost like y’all.

[@shakengandulf]

@@Motion_God GTA5 update was free.

[@R.B.90]

Seeing how many updates GTA5 has gotten over almost a decade I would love a comparison between the base ps3/360 versions of the game to this new next gen update.

[@PATBATEMAN187]

9:32 cerny is a genius

[@reggiefurlow1]

I love how I'm supposed excited about shadows

[@ivopranjic9976]

hmmm looks like they can easily pull off a 40fps mode with VRR. Hopefully they add it

[@autumn702]

I was considering getting it for Series X until I saw Franklin's reflection at 7:58 and decided I've played and bought the game enough times already.

[@more7642]

When the official PC release of the update? And a happy New Year for all the DF guys and viewers!

[@CaptToilet]

The official release is never.

[@richardhunter9779]

The game would need to be ported to DX12, which is non-trivial to do properly and you know how good Rockstar is about doing things properly for older games...

[@vladislave7826]

@@richardhunter9779 in any games, at that point

[@CaptainPeanut]

Why the hell didn’t they add working car mirrors???

[@TheProphegy]

Just imagine what GTA6 will look like on an actual upgraded engine for these new gen consoles.

[@agentsmith6161]

@@robmorris4056 No way. Sam Houser, Rob Nelson and a lot of Rockstar's original team are still around.

[@Shadowninja1200]

@@robmorris4056 Easiest way to tell if someone doesn't understand what they're talking about is using "woke" as a insult. Don't bother replying as I don't even check my notifications.

[@tim3172]

@@robmorris4056 Lol "got woke". You mean treat people like... people?

[@CadenBenny]

Fidelity mode at 60fps would be cool 😅

[@THU31]

So on next-gen consoles (~2028), the Fidelity Mode will be able to run at 60 FPS!!!

[@8800handsomecurt]

I have both and I’ll tell you right off the bat the Xbox Series X blew me away in fidelity mode ! My PS5 was great too but both was on high end TV and my Xbox series X HDR fully calibrated ! Was beautiful

[@SoleEpiphany]

I guess this is them testing stuff they plan to implement in GTA 6 when it launches in 2035🤣🙄

[@jjnet123]

It's coming in 2024.

[@redux1647]

@@jjnet123 nope

[@jjnet123]

@@redux1647 yes it is

[@THEchakkid]

@@jjnet123 2024 or 2025?

[@stonergee420]

@@jjnet123 just the trailer not the full game

[@laboriousarborius9275]

My only complaint is the fidelity mode's jitter. Been playing on performance rt and the switch to fidelity gives me and my friends headaches.

[@3KPK3]

This is probably the 10th DF video on GTA V. Waiting patiently for their tech analysis of GTA VI!

[@masterdodot]

2024

[@mr8I7]

​@@masterdodot- 2025

[@ryans413]

So 10 years later we are back to 30fps lol

[@prayerpoint7241]

History repeats itself. 😢

[@renef.8468]

Very good Video! Thanks!

[@LittleTrader968]

Only 9 years, feels way longer than that.

[@TempleofShaolin]

Playing this game on an oled c2 in fidelity mode it’s hard to believe this was originally a 360/ps3 game

[@xboxnerd4759]

What do I gotta choose? Performance or fidelity. Why don't they release it on PC, so I could have both

[@stephonhines6554]

Cant handle it

[@brandon_nope]

budget perhaps

[@brandon_nope]

@@MadWatcher as in not giving the devs enough of a budget

[@JKSmith-qs2ii]

The planar reflections are excellent in this game, even on the PS3 I am impressed with them.

[@117johnpar]

Im surprised they didnt rerease a different version for it for $60.

[@Shredderof_POWDA]

Rerease? Made me laugh

[@keyboard_g]

Nice addition but typical over reflectivity on things. Not everything is a mirror.

[@TheAuthoritarian_Band]

I really feel like PS5 games could really benefit from a Fidelity 1080p option. I myself, and a vast amount of people I know, still have and use their hardware on 'Last-gen' Tv's and haven't made the jump to 4K. Surely, the frame rate benefits would be significant. I rarely use fidelity modes, as they render at 4K plus have much slower frame rates - when I really don't require 4K rendering.

[@Chicky_Lumps]

Ever since last mid gen, AAA companies have had this strange fixation on "4K" being the hip feature everyone demands. To the point where most games don't even have the kind of alternate modes you ask for. Marketing department really seems to have AAA devs by the balls for a lot of things.

[@NateMakesMusic]

Devs should honestly try optimise more for 1440p, it’s a fantastic jump from 1080p but not as demanding as 4k, could make games look so much better

[@Chicky_Lumps]

@@NateMakesMusic Shhhh don't shatter marketing team's reality. Devs probably agree, but that doesn't matter because higher ups think only "4K" is current and impressive.

[@itsalwaysdarkestbeforethes1198]

As someone in marketing, albeit not the game industry, marketing teams usually have exhaustive customer data on hand to make those calls. If marketing teams are saying the average player cares about 4k more than 60 fps, they’re probably right. You’re watching a DF video, you’re not the majority of players

[@forresttilghman1098]

1080p is nearly phase out. Only 1440p and 4k is the new standard

[@TheBrazilRules]

People like to mock PC players for having to wait for Rockstar Games, but when GTA released on PC it was already the at time Next Gen version, so the wait was worth it.

[@mysticalos]

I'm sure they'll have it worked out by time they re-release GTA5 for PS6

[@funkyflights]

I’m finally playing it now and it looks way better, loving it! So much smoother at 60fps… Using performance RT

[@WamblyHades]

Great video Oliver, as always. Have you guys ever considered doing a DF Retro about Criterion and their RenderWare engine? I am playing both Burnout Revenge and Black right now and the engine is mighty impressive for the time.

[@grandtheftaero1]

I second this

[@palaashatri]

same!

[@hbala24]

This would be great. Someone should forward it to them.

[@EnderCraftKid]

Remember people. Only really see the rt reflections on cars the best is when its not in motion. In motion it doesn’t look any better then being on the performance rt mode

[@Byeahman]

I just want them to bring this to PC

[@d1jal]

Thanks for covering this Oliver! I hope you had a great Xmas and an awesome new year!

[@GeraldTN06]

It's nuts that new hardware cant run a 10 year old game + ray tracing at 60 fps

[@attaboydanny]

its an upgraded pc port, which came out in 2015, so its more like 8 years old. and you have to keep in mind that its at 4k, pretty much max settings, AND ray tracing.

[@Crimsongz]

@@attaboydannyit’s not running at max settings. The draw distance is still abysmal compare to the PC version.

[@attaboydanny]

@@Crimsongz i said "pretty much" because the majority of settings are

[@Kytetiger]

I cant wait to see what kind of idea developpers will come up with with RT and reflexions Gameplay: We could see ennemies in mirrors and glas Story : We could have strange Worlds in adventure and horror games

[@rogerh2694]

Can't wait for PS6 version of GTA V

[@krapiks]

Bought NextGen version just to play at 60fps but can’t stop playing in the amazing fidelity mode. Best 30fps ray tracing mode on next gen consoles.

[@sephorasamot2896]

Love both modes😎😁Beautiful and Great on OLED TV too

[@Pyke_]

All this thing of forcing the player to choose between 60fps or raytracing is the reason we need a new generation of consoles...

[@James-cr8mt]

can we get this on pc yet?

[@WASD-MVME]

There are ray-tracing mods that look way better than this on PC already

[@omarkhalifa2490]

9years ago that hits me hard

[@jmtradbr]

I wonder if the update will come to PC

[@vladislave7826]

@CafeMiroir or take the cash you just wanted to spend on a pointless purchase (assuming you already have a decent machine) and give it to charity.

[@jimmyhopkins1]

@CafeMiroir no console isn't as good as pc I like having freedom and choice

[@xmateinc]

My 13900k and 4090 make the game look way better and i get a solid 120 fps, can get more fps but gta starts acting weird over 140fps.

[@x-coin0420]

So far no RT for pc

[@jmtradbr]

@@x-coin0420 1 year later and nothing

[@superboss7403]

Its amazing even in 2023 we are talking about GTA 5

[@izuthree]

Oh hey, was wondering if you were planning on covering this. Surprising they'd add it in, but it also raises the curious question of if they're going to do something of a 'Fortnite' trick by testing new tools and graphical features in the old game with the intent of using it as 'beta testing' for GTA6 in the future. At least, that's one of the reasons I can think of for them not rolling this out on PC. Otherwise it's a bit odd.

[@winrargameplays]

Sort of but RT Reflections been there since lunch according to dataminers, maybe they just decided to bring this now because it looks broken 😕

[@winrargameplays]

But yet it's better than Cyberpunk or any CD project release. There's also another chance they will get used to this technology eventually. Insomniac Games did everything better and much more at 60 fps

[@noclip_st]

Red Dead Redemption 2 has largely served as a "beta test" for the upcoming GTA 6. If you've seen those leaked videos, it's pretty clear that the weather, the vegetation, the lighting, the characters' skin and hair and the interaction system screams RDR2. They are clearly using the, and improving upon, RDR2 build of RAGE for GTA 6. Same thing happened with GTA 5 during its early development - it was looking almost like GTA 4.

[@maaax1173]

@@noclip_st Turned out to be very different though, I think GTA 6 will be more silimar to RDR 2 than GTA 5 is to GTA 4. I assumed they were only borrowing the assets from GTA 4 but it was overall not very similar, from what I saw in the 2011 trailer

[@ZeitGeist_TV]

@@winrargameplays Insomniac wasn't working with a hand that started on the Xbox 360/PS3 though. I'm not giving R* any slack though with the sheer greed they've exhibited with GTA 5 and it's lack luster features on current gen.

[@mrlenny7252]

I’m playing GTA v on ps5 in fidelity mode and it looks amazing!. Can’t wait for GTA vi

[@marekkos3513]

To this day GTA 4 is the most advanced GTA game ever made.GTA 5 for me was downgraded in almost every whay

[@martinvr12]

I'm amazed how well reflections were already.

[@RAIDER-sf3wk]

Just give us a 60fps update for Red Dead 2

[@boussIRL]

I'm sorry, but Franklin at @2:15 😂😂😂😂😂 the stare

[@МухаммедАли-б7д]

RT reflections at rainy night looks just MIND BLOWING! 😍❤️

[@Eli-kt3td]

Strange how Rockstar treats PC like an afterthought these days.

[@realghostxd]

The settings are going to be confusing for a regular consumer, why not add rt reflections to rt performance mode aswell? and have a dynanamic 1440p set resolution.

[@matthew2182]

I bet they didn't do ray traced reflections on the car mirrors because they're saving it for GTA6... along with working wiper blades.

[@slavetothesystem9854]

Do we actually get a useable wing/head mirror in vehicles now lol? Before it was just a blurry mess of pixels. Pretty horrific!

[@fanovaohsmuts]

Nope, their geometry hasn’t been fixed and still use real time cube maps. But if RT reflections are in for this update, then you can be damned sure they’ll be sure to have working mirrors for GTA6.

[@pixels_per_inch]

3:51 Nope, still the usual cubemaps. 6:55 Oddly enough, it seems to work *outside* the vehicles.

[@dgchvz]

For me it's enough to hold me over until GTA 6. Also with my TV I put the default settings (yes with the game mode on) and it actually makes the Fidelity Mode look like it has higher than 30FPS. I now use that always

[@Shredderof_POWDA]

The problem with game mode is the input lag. It's not bad for driving and casual stuff, but combat/aiming is absolutely terrible in that mode lol. The delay drives me crazy after a while.

[@dgchvz]

@@Shredderof_POWDA I don’t do any PVP so for me it’s good enough that I don’t die from the NPC enemies

[@SLE3PR]

Good job Rockstar, now do this for RDR 1 and 2.

[@NightWanderer31415]

Why not enable 60fps for RDR2 on PS5 and Series X instead of this?

[@twt07garrettAd]

Hope they add this to performance RT mode as well, or make a performance RT+ mode

[@denisruskin348]

They don't care. Who already wanted the game has it by now on last gen or PC and the multiplayer is doing FAR less money than GTA Online, so they don't really have a need. It's dumb as hell, they could just unlock the frame rate to 60fps and be done with it, since the engine has been unlocked after the PC port...

[@alef321]

omygod,you guys are fire, the flood of videos with consistent quality and coverage!!

[@kaliik4377]

Now if only Rockstar would put the same level of update on Red Dead Redemption 2

[@nix538]

So why did they not upgrade PC to have the PS5 visual upgrades as well as RT? With some of the NASA PC's that people have, RT update would make sense, and it would run better.

[@fulanitx]

Because you're not giving them more MONEY 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[@dannonyogurt98]

Do you guys intend to do an update for calisto protocol?

[@merk2364]

I still feel similarly to how I did when the rt update came out initially. These are definitely cool upgrades but they are not nearly comprehensive enough especially with the weird rt reflection issues for me to be willing to accept 30 fps in this nearly 10 year old game.

[@cody3335]

They’re free.. the game is 9 years old. Stop complaining.

[@Shadowninja1200]

@@cody3335 People are allowed to complain about a 9 years old game. And it's only free if you bought the ps5/series x version so no, it's not free. The RT stuff in this update is pretty meh especially when compared to other games and it still has issues. It really doesn't feel like they cared enough to put in the work to make Ray tracing actually look good. If the issues is the age of the game then it's the perfect excuse to sunset the online and start giving red dead 2 some actual TLC.

[@SirAmicVarze]

Can't wait to play the remastered remaster of GTA V on PS6.

[@spartan_a1176]

It's unfortunate that it's can't be done on 60fps

[@ZeitGeist_TV]

They very well could have and simply dropped the resolution scaling to a lower margin in the RT/performance mode hybrid.

[@TheSurfheart]

Appreciate you going back and covering these older games but are you going to do a video on Midnight Suns?

[@strikesubmit]

I love that game.

[@bringbackthe80s61]

so you switch on ray tracing and you get slow motion gameplay at 30fps?