Grandia 1997 vs Grandia HD comparison

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@GamerLord821 4 жыл бұрын

Minor mistake: The NPC shown in the slide at 2:18 is not a PS1/HD remaster exclusive

@scorpiomelancholia1559 4 жыл бұрын

I always hated linear filtering I like when the pixel art is sharp and crisps

@namelastname6096 3 жыл бұрын

exactly, this remaster is not good in my opinion, it lacks sharpness; it is like when you play PS1 on PS3 using the smooth feature.

@mjc0961 10 күн бұрын

I know some people like the filter. I do not. I find it baffling that some developers still force smoothing and have no option to disable it.

@5chneemensch138 4 жыл бұрын

Who thought unpixelizing pixel art is a good idea? That's the damn whole point! Christ on a bicycle.

@LordXelion 4 жыл бұрын

Another one that didn't understand was Squareenix with FFVI. Idk who the hell thinks just lazily filtering good looking sprites would actually make it look better. It completely ruins everything!

@100thschool 4 жыл бұрын

is it the point though? or maybe it was limitation of its time which now remembered as nostalgia driven aesthetic

@ramsesjfg7668 4 жыл бұрын

@@100thschool Fuck that mentality. "Limitations at the time" are part of the identity of the game.

@GamerLord821 4 жыл бұрын

@@100thschool There is a easy fix for that. It's called a options menu. Pixel art is art too. Using a Filter to make it looks less pixely (which is the point of pixelart) is ruining said art. By not making it a toggle you are just upsetting people for no reason, who'd prefer to have the original assets.

@Sensu0 3 жыл бұрын

@@GamerLord821 Talking about filtering; Ys I & II Chronicles+ let's you choose if you want Bilinear, Trilinear or no filtering at all. I think the 3D Ys games have optional antisotropic filtering as well.

@cosmic_husky 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, thank you very much for all the trouble you've gone through to show this!

@GamerLord821 4 жыл бұрын

TFW 1 week after i publish this video the remaster has been announced to release in Japan & is supposed to receive a new patch. Follow-Up will probably happen at some point.

@Artimes. 2 жыл бұрын

4:20 What the hell is this? lol They didn't even place the ocean background in that scene. That is so lazy, i think ill just stick with the PS1 version since I don't have the Sega Saturn game.

@evilmonkeywithissues 2 жыл бұрын

I really wish that the studio would have been able to receive the proper amount of time and budget in order to iron out the existing issues (those distorted textured give the art a bit of a Tim Burton-esque vibe, which is an interesting concept in my opinion). Still it's great to see this series gain attention from modern audiences. People who have only played the HD release won't realize that there are so many mistakes in the port, so maybe it will help carry the series forward.

@roughdividegaming 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this I've done a full play through of the Saturn and PS1 version of this game. I was thinking of doing a third play through on switch but after seeing these comparison shots and what they did to the pixel art I just can not :(

@DTM-Books 4 жыл бұрын

I love the fact that the original Sega Saturn Grandia looks better than the Nintendo Switch HD remake. And isn't it crazy how the Saturn's VDP2 water effects (also used to great effect in the Panzer Dragoon Trilogy) has yet to be replicated by modern tech? Of course, this Grandia remaster used the Sony Playstation version as its source, which was a step below its Saturn cousin, but still pretty good. Isn't it weird how the PSX's warped polygons show up in the remaster. Strange also how this new version didn't use the original as source material, but given that Saturn Grandia was never released outside of Japan, how many people in the West have ever seen it?

@GamerLord821 4 жыл бұрын

Some of our Grandia Discord members suspect that the HD remaster is just some hacked version of a PS1 emulator since you can copy Grandia PS1 save fiiles into the Remaster. Pulling something like this off with a Saturn emulator is obviously harder even tho the Fan translator of Grandia 1 already proved how easy it is to apply a widescreen patch onto the original. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaikk6R7j9Vqmsk

@Butterstix2014 2 жыл бұрын

I notice that the texture warping is mostly on the textures of triangular surfaces. This is likely due to it originally being made for the Saturn's quad-based architecture, which required textures on "triangular" faces (quads with one side removed) to be specially made or risk warping, This isn't always the case though. Actually, it seems to occur on a lot of trapezoidal faces as well.

@wefinnaplay4588 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, keep it up :) what does the NPC at 2:19 say tho?

@Drexdo 4 жыл бұрын

Here are screenshots of the dialogue. It's the ghost of Parm which appears when you can enter the Bar/Cafe, if you spoke with a girl before that part of the story. m.imgur.com/a/gWJ9QpJ

@GamerLord821 4 жыл бұрын

Apparently that girl isn't a PS1 / HD remaster exclusive. I just found out you can make her appear on the Saturn version as well.

@stevereeves2140 3 жыл бұрын

Sega Saturn version looks impressive!

@Mal_Ah_Key 4 жыл бұрын

It must have been hellish porting both games to switch but following the release as much as I have been (it was the reason I bought a switch) it's easy to see why people got so hostile, they promised a lot and they had no way of delivering it. I don't mind so much the field graphics being filtered or the loss of sprites that only existed in the Saturn version if I'm completely honest but the broad brush approach they took with the character portraits is just heinous they look ugly as sin and it really undermines a lot of the charm of the original, if they were given a bigger budget I imagine it would have been wonderful to see actual portrait illustrations in their place. Watching the interviews with the original staff Gung-Ho released last week they all seem to think the original graphics were too harsh looking and that people would feel "weird playing a 4:3 game nowadays" and I do fear that will be used as a get out of implement graphic options jail free card. Not that I have any inside knowledge on the development but this whole thing seems like it was down to bad management, a port of 1 that had the same time allocated would have been amazing and probably would have had all the extras promised in the original announcement and people would genuinely welcome a Grandia 2 port by the same company but they were stretched thin and have continued to deliver two unfortunately hamstrung products patch after patch...

@NemXX2 4 жыл бұрын

Just want to point out that the distorted textures were something PSone did. For some reason, it wasn't eliminated, so i'm thinking this game is emulating the psone version while applying some upscaling. There is no remastering at all apparantly. Maybe on character sprites.

@godzilla2k26 2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@Davesclips4 3 жыл бұрын

The Saturn looks better to me

@BettoniFerreira Жыл бұрын

Why the f*ck would they remove the shadows?

@beelzeboss9631 4 жыл бұрын

you have to keep in mind, that the Remaster is using the PS1 version, not the Saturn version, so obviously things were going to be different regardless

@yoariku1 3 жыл бұрын

they said they sat down and took the saturn version as reference... well i'm creeped out of the distortions. i can't remember the ps1 version having them. anyway i bought the game because i want the series to live on.

@shinobi7263 4 жыл бұрын

Sega saturn version still looks not bad i miss that time with my sega console had so much fun with it

@daveyvalentyne7233 2 жыл бұрын

Greetings Grandia fans, I have news. If you're interested in hearing from the original voice cast? The voice of FEENA & LILLY (Angela Anderson) is doing a live interview on Twitch March 27th! Full details can be found here (www.reddit.com/r/grandia/comments/t9lzz5/voice_of_feena_lilly_to_do_a_live_interview_on/) and my previous Grandia interviews are here on my channel! Much love

@PlatinumLP Жыл бұрын

Were sprites and texture distortions ever fixed? Any fan patches?

@shenmuebaloff 2 жыл бұрын

Still considering that for this HD port they based on the PS1 version considering that the PS1 version is a port of the Sega Saturn version, I guess most of the visual changes are understandable, still what I appreciate of the HD versions is that they modified some stats for example in the PS1 version to learn Feena ultimate techs "End of the World" and "Time Gate" you need to level up certain elements to level 99, and in this HD ports you need to level those elements just to level 33 and 35, is still tedious, but at least isn't as much as level 99, in my experience I enjoy this HD port anyway, my only big issue is that the dialog of the japanese voices aren't synchronized with the text box, not so big issue in the First Grandia, but is deffinetly a major issue in the 2nd game, but aside that with issues and all, I still had a great time playing the first Grandia on this HD port.

@SchokobomberLP 4 жыл бұрын

Great job, its stunning how many mistakes this remaster has if you count them all. You should absoluty watch it till the end, nothing more to add here. Maybe the easiest and most comfortable way to play, but quality wise the worst. If you already think the psone version is screwed up, this makes you a little bit thick. In my opinion even the ps3 does a better job in emulating the ps1 disc than this switch version. Never the less, gungho gets my credit for bringing more attention to this masterpiece (in a questionable condition) to more players. For no reason, im going to get a saturn now.... (sry for my bad english)

@HappySlapComedy 2 жыл бұрын

where did you find those sue sprites i been after some for years

@Konic_and_Snuckles 3 жыл бұрын

Anyone know a good emulator to play the Saturn version (TrekkiesUnited translated version) of Grandia? Yaba Sanshiro, Yabause, and Kronos seem to be missing the ripple effects and have weird UI flashing/glitching. SSF crashes everytime I try to leave Parm (and doesn't support upscaling). And Mednafen is sloooooooow as hell (and also doesn't support upscaling).

@blufudgecrispyrice8528 3 жыл бұрын

Mednafen emulates the console the best, but you need a beefy pc. Google SSF issues.

@Konic_and_Snuckles 3 жыл бұрын

@@blufudgecrispyrice8528 I figured out the issue with SSF. For some reason VDP1 was disabled by default, causing the game to hang on the world map.

@blufudgecrispyrice8528 3 жыл бұрын

@@Konic_and_Snuckles Really? Neat, thanks.

@madcityy269 4 жыл бұрын

Am I seeing this wrong or did they do an inferior job?

@yusofplayed 3 жыл бұрын

So the HD remaster is based on the PS1 version, right? Hence why it looks worse than the Saturn one?

@Drexdo 4 жыл бұрын

all texture distortions or missing textures are also in the ps1 version. especially the former is just more noticeable now with the filtered images and higher resolution. 37:38 this for example is definitely the same in the ps1 port.

@GamerLord821 4 жыл бұрын

Yep and it also was less of an issue on PS1 because... well it were the early days of 3D programming so we just rolled with it. Sega saturn didn't use 3D polygons with textures but insead distorted sprites angled to look 3D so it was a different technique entirely. The experience Game arts gained when creating grandia was basically useless on the PS1. A Remaster should've iron out these mistakes.

@Drexdo 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerLord821 Oh so actually the Sega Saturn textures are distorted on purpose to make it look like a 3D environment and the PS1 version did have those textures untouched which resulted in them looking that way?

@GamerLord821 4 жыл бұрын

@@Drexdo That wasn't what i was implying since the distortion happens in real time depending on camera angles. it's really hard to explain without visual aid. I use the same word to describe whats happening but distorted textures on PS1 and distorted sprites on saturn are two completely different things.

@dooberknob3947 4 жыл бұрын

@@GamerLord821 Are the Saturn graphics like Doom?

@GamerLord821 4 жыл бұрын

@@dooberknob3947 You could describe it like that, eah

@BLKBRDSR71 4 жыл бұрын

The HD shadows should be facing away from the light, not towards it. In every shot the shadows seem to be facing up. And I don't mean north.

@GamerLord821 4 жыл бұрын

yeah those are the same Shadows the PS1 port was using. Honestly i prefered Saturns "Shadow Dots" more but that's just me. Environment in non combat areas not having shadows is a huge let down since those make the places look so much prettier. It's not even a separate shadow texture, those are drawn onto the floor texture itself on the Saturn. The PS1 couldn't handle textures above certain size (unlike the Saturn where floor textures can be infinitely long) so that compromise was carried over to the HD remaster.

@ChiefMedicPururu 4 жыл бұрын

Would like a follow-up to this.

@GamerLord821 4 жыл бұрын

Well, the latest patch didn't do anything to fix the issues presented. I could make a video comparing spell effects but those are subjective imo.

@futureicon23 4 жыл бұрын

Which Saturn emulator are you using? If it's SSF, can you please teach me how to set it up to 1080p pixel perfect like yours? If it's Mednafen, how do you improve the sound quality so that there won't be any static or lag and is there a way to adjust screen to 4:3 full size like in SSF?

@Cathy5614 3 жыл бұрын

Yaba Sanshiro 10.0.3

@yoariku1 3 жыл бұрын

can someone pls confim me they fixed the distortions?

@afiliaassela 3 жыл бұрын

Holy Snap some of the things I didnt even realize makes me even more disappointed how lazy this port really is...

@SuperBibilou 4 жыл бұрын

we should show this to gungho ,they must fix all the crapy things, Grandia is a masterpiece ,great video keep it up 😊💪

@MaximumAddition 4 жыл бұрын

Well, what're the thoughts post-patches?

@JosafatMadrinan 2 жыл бұрын

Grandia switch must be comparised with psone version

@GamerLord821 2 жыл бұрын

That's not the point of the video. The remaster was originally announced to use the code of both the Saturn version and PS1 version in order to create a definitive experience. This is mainly because Area design took a hit on the PS1 version, not only due to the texture warping but also because of memory limitations preventing the PS1 from having an endless background layer, which was used on the Saturn to make unique looking floor with baked in shadows to make every corner of the map look good and unique. PS1 on the other hand has vastly superior transparency effects most notable in the battle UI and also has in many cases superior battle animations. Gungho did not deliver on that despite promising we'd get it as late as E3 2019, Months before release. What we got with the HD remaster is essentially the largely considered inferior PS1 version with some bugfixes, new bugs and a smudgy filter that ruins a lot of textures and sprites. Really the only feature of the remaster i personally celebrate is the dual audio function. Everything else is disappointing to say the least.

@johnmcrasni7266 Жыл бұрын

So does it makes this version the worst to play ?

@VenomRaven 3 жыл бұрын

Look how they massacred my boy :( Knew this was lazy cash grab from the character portraits but I had no idea it was this terrible. Only bothering to do half the sprites? Wtf.