Grandmaster Terran Gets VERY Salty Against My Amazing Zerg Cheese

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[@shortl4nd289]

Usually I don’t care for the ZvZ games, but that second game was some amazing content

[@Szokynyovics]

Usually I don't care for anything at all, but uThermal games are amazing content. :D

[@peterhardie4151]

Yeah. I agree.

[@Otterpawp]

Same. They both put on such a good show.

[@__Mr.White__]

But you care for ZvT, TvZ, TvT, PvZ, TvP, PvZ, ZvP, PvP?

[@shortl4nd289]

@@__Mr.White__ yes

[@OpreanMircea]

I love how uThermal plays, he countered mutas by not building a single unit that shoots up, except queens, but those don't count

[@notcrazy6288]

He didn't even know the hotkey to use the defilers lol

[@smallwisdom8819]

@@notcrazy6288 getting defilers without a defiler mount, is probably cheating ;)

[@chloesmith4065]

Queens are the best aa unit zerg has! 😂

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

And only a few spores. Real nice

[@OpreanMircea]

@@enriquegarciacota3914 right? he made like 1 per hatch, I was surprised as well

[@trassage]

What a polite gentleman in the end. After the game he offered a very deep and thought-provoking conversation)

[@ThueJanusKristensen]

I am actually not sure it counts as angry salt. uThermal is playing suboptimal builds, so taking them not seriously enough and then losing is something that happens. I think the use of the term "retarded build" is meant to be read with love - I am sure uThermal would be the first to admit that his builds are "special".

[@vandiedakaf]

​@@ThueJanusKristensenthere is no room for interpretation with the statement "someone retarded like you". That player was salty AF.

[@Idiomatick]

@@ThueJanusKristensen salt is good for the yt algo

[@bryanoconnor7354]

human body needs salt

[@DibbzTheLoner]

@@ThueJanusKristensen nah, that player is a moron and your take is just bad

[@muffinbutton8858]

One of my favorite ZvZ moves was baiting the other person to go mutas on low eco, then going ultra/Ling. The mutas just can't do enough damage fast enough. I'm really happy you finally experienced my favorite interaction

[@gabydewilde]

haha, the muta is actually bad enough not to instantly lose for going ultra.

[@mazhiwezakizo3513]

As much as i love, and enjoy the Salt harvest, it always remains a mystery to me why people who get angry when they lose think that calling the person who just beat them a terrible player or that the strategy was bad, as if that is somehow going to steal the satisfaction from the winner. You call it a bad strategy, yet it was good enough to beat you soundly, or you call them a bad player, but they outplayed you, which just means you yourself would be an even worse player. The next one is when players call the winner a Hacker, like, if the winner did hack to win, he probably doesn't care if you call him a hacker, and if he isn't a hacker... then why would they care if you call them a hacker? Its so weird.

[@IEHD01]

Exactly my same thoughts. It boggles me when it happens to me, but way more in thermy's vids. I would think players at high MMR like in these vids would be more aware or have a deeper perspective of things. but nope, SALT. they're just angry and lashing out lmao

[@NicholasSmithNicholasSmith]

He called himself bad.

[@ACEYGAMES]

Most of the time people who say stuff like that dont care what the other person thinks, its beign said to release anger/stress/other emotions. They're mad and are releasing it in a direct way. Useful? Healthy? Is the guy you're insulting/hurting abuse at even listening? doesnt matter to them.

[@starcraft2own]

It's not really that complex if you think about it. If a worse player beat you then that will be way more of a frustrating loss. If a worse player beats you and think they're better than you because of it then it will not just be frustrating, but infuriating instead. Anyone can lose to a worse player, we have good and bad days. So the point is to try and keep some dignity by reminding them they had a good day while you had a bad one. In a perfect game, you'd win every time. Luck is a factor in games, worse players can win without being better than their opponent. And with the hacker comment, that's just to make sure they won't take any enjoyment out of the win. Some people hack because they like to pretend they won legit and feel good about winning, so you call them out as a hacker to make sure they remember the fact that their victory is hollow. So it's not about calling a hacker a hacker to make them sad about hacking, it's just about to make sure they know they can't gloat about their win. I don't do any of this personally, i never get angry at my opponent even if they cheat. The goal is to always play your best and if you lost against a worse player, that means you dropped the ball hard. And against cheaters, if you're going to lose anyways then it gives you the chance to practice some other things like macro or grenade placements if you're playing an fps.

[@tondekoddar7837]

@@starcraft2own Good analysis, for even more meta expand to uThermal's (you warm?'s or micro-warm?) images in YT, they get more views when salty screenshot ? I don't rly care enough to check but looks like it, also fast edit to do so all good for uT :) Very good name, uT keep it up and hf. Also, they're not too salty usually, I mean very most I've seen here just use 5-6 few word sentences (which takes 1-5 seconds to type in) compared to 10-minute range of gaming, 'anger' dissipates fast here (even when some curse-words). Good analysis yup, also u warm plays very well and I was happy to recently see sc2 content b/c he has so much fun in the game :) The first gg seems to have fun too, I mean with usually little chat in sc2 he's still being nice.

[@seanet1310]

Mark should find a player in GM from each race who plays a Uthermal Style and provide some coaching to further infect the leagues

[@damnplaylist]

lol “infect” 😂

[@gabydewilde]

Good one, bring back some of that day9 insanity. Im still laughing from 1 base BC's

[@BLAMMO_555]

i am prepared for Iron Chef: Starcraft

[@wschmrdr]

@@BLAMMO_555 Isn't that in the arcade?

[@Twinkletoastable]

​@@gabydewildeI really wanna see uThermal host some team monobattles

[@eclipseeffigy]

That game 2 went hard! You were cooking with those ultras into infestor viper, crazy plays and strats 🔥🔥

[@krunkcleanup2949]

Vipers? Ultras? Infestors? A Hive? Who are you and what have you done with Uthermal!

[@0rnery0verwatch]

Dude I could watch you all day simply for your positivity... even if you werent playing SC and were talking about any other topic, I think I'd find it enjoyable. There are so many scenarios in this game I've seen you in, where if it was me, I'd have gotten pissed and/or anxious and just assumed the match was a loss or outright left. Watching you really helps reinforce the fact that *it's just a game* and to have fun and experiment and if you lose? No big deal at all.

[@coopdlloop]

Only started playin sc like 3 weeks ago, now the algorithm serves ya to me on a plate everyday and I'm having a great time lol

[@_catsy]

“true story bro” absolutely devastating 😂

[@altonito777]

Second game was my favorite ZvZ ever haha so amazing, it's like the build I never knew I needed !

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

My favorite thing as zerg was always the surprise brood lords from a neutral space in behind their base. COrruptors fly around police the skies around 6-10, then you fly them in behind their base, out of view range, then you turn them into brood lords later, start off wit ha front line ling/ hydra, posible a few lurkers push... the point is you need ot attack, so teh warning is always secondary, so it creates slight ocnfusion to the acts going on and you start iping out their buildings. lol WEll wahtever else. SO if they turn their defence to deal with it, it will weaken their front lines, its usualyl a win win, its not hte bes,t but it is really funny to do, not a do this strat its do at your own risk... Suddenly brood lords are in teh guys main base. you can do this quite early also... around 7:00 - 8:30 depending how hard you want ot hit. 10:40 is a good timing because it allows you just to hide yoru corruptors as corruptors so they can defend themselves well and then change them later. if they are getting harrased you can just fly them away, also against terran you can get medivacs sometimes.

[@Chris-si9in]

I remember rushing infested Terran against muta players lol those were the good old days

[@pmcfearson9453]

Imagine being grandmasted and Mark calls you a good warm up game. 💔

[@ThrivingGG]

I'm that guy and it's somewhat depressing to get farmed for content, but at least a LOT of people get joy from the games afterward so I guess you make your peace with it. 💀

[@SolWake]

I mean, he calls it a good warmup even when he loses.

[@kindlin]

You can cancel your very first drone (10:58) because you make units so slowly at first, that you still fully regen your max 3 larva before you can use them.

[@ssvensic]

Imagine playing the best game of your life, giving it your all and Marc goes: well, it was a nice warm-up game...😂😂😂

[@kyleg5141]

I love the " Let's begin " part of the intro😊

[@colinbaker779]

If ZvZ always looked like game 2 I would actually enjoy watching it!😅

[@eigentensor]

16:33 that fungal was absolutely ridiculous, wtf

[@TheRealFumigator]

Such a funny thing about SC2... with the exception of hacks, anything you can do with the tools you are given, is technically legit. Cheese is just as legit as turtle macro. So when people get salty because an unconventional strat is used, I just scratch my belly and laugh.

[@AtticusKarpenter]

Agree. (besides photon cannon rush, its just disbalanced because its much harder to defender than to rusher, also if you over-defend even a little, rusher just switch to macro with an advantage. All other strats are legit)

[@inthefade]

Complaining about losing to a cheese is like complaining about losing to Scholar's Mate or Fool's Mate in chess because you were too incompetent to defend properly. Your opponent doesn't owe it to you to let the fight go to mid or endgame. They don't owe you anything but to try to kick your butt however they see fit.

[@ShimmeringSword]

@@AtticusKarpenter Marc has shown many times how extremely easy it is to defend a cannon rush. They key is you have to scout and you have to know the correct defense play. You only lose to it because you played wrong. For him it's almost auto win if he gets cannon rushed.

[@AtticusKarpenter]

@@ShimmeringSword lol man pro gamers struggled when other pro gamers pull photon rush against them, there a pro gamers who rised in rank only because of that and quickly lose in equal macro at their ratings. Its not my opinion, its consensus. Of cource Marc dont struggle against weak photon rushers on ladder who not have Korean micro and dont know when you need to switch into economy to preserve gained advantage and then fulfil it into timing attack

[@basicuser54]

@@AtticusKarpenteryour use of logical fallacies is quite impressive

[@sugarcultthe2nd]

21:15 yes Ultras dies slow to muta, so that's not a proper counter if you have nothing to tank them.

[@wrpigeek]

Love watching Overlords just float past each other in the middle of the map. "Sup."

[@VideoGameurMCA]

Uthermal I know you as a prop player from old times but I freaking love your videos! Hope you’re streaming as well!! Love the content you’re the best 🎉

[@TheJaniv]

So nice to see you play!! I usually open one window of you playing at work... shhhhhh!!!

[@samuelwilliams5078]

I wonder if people would still insult you if they knew who you actually were. I'd consider it an honour to be cheesed by Marc 🤣

[@nikolaneberemed]

I don't think it was an insult. The guy said he was an artard for losing to that build.

[@Darkrender]

@@nikolaneberemed If you read the comments that he put up on the screen from the after-game whispers, he was definitely talking about mark when he was using the r-word

[@nikolaneberemed]

@@Darkrender I disagree. English is obviously not the guy's first language, so it's easier to misunderstand him. He opened with "gg," which is mannered and not salty at all. He followed it up with "what a retarded to beat me with this build," which could be interpreted as I'm an artard for losing to this build (which is still mannered and not salty) or as you're an artard for defeating me with this build, which is bm and quite salty.

[@Ty-bz7zx]

@@nikolaneberemed I think you have a great read on this.... great insight. "I was xtarded to get beat by this build" was what I think he meant.

[@nickcramp630]

@@Ty-bz7zx Go to 29:49. He def is calling Marc that

[@Batmane812]

As a zerg, I hate ZvZ because it is just as you said, ling bane into roaches and whoever has the most roaches wins. But that 2nd game was truly special :) creative plays my man, well done!

[@aussj4link214]

I love the logic when getting angry at people. "How dare you don't play exactly the way I want you to so I can beat you!"

[@NA-oe5jj]

I need to see more spine rushes after that ending!

[@oldoddjobs]

I would have won if I didn't lose

[@destonwong2577]

The 2nd game zvz was amazing, once proving Spellcasters are often the game changers especially from Zerg. Good job beating your opponent even though your most of your units can't hit air.

[@TyLockton]

To quote the Mighty Jingles: if it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid.

[@scrapbotcommander]

You make a really compelling argument about proxy hatcheries having a chance to be denied before you can play the strategy you wanted, that's fair. Would be hard to have to record twice as many games for the same amount of content. But at the same time, you might be able to prepare *two* separate strategies - one that makes use of the proxy hatch, and a second that takes advantage of the opponent's eco disadvantage from killing the hatch to achieve what would otherwise be impossible. I know that'd be double the preparation, but... in the end, it'd also make for double the content, and would be really fun to see you play it as a much more reactive style. And at least it'd give you more reason to try out new strategies that you'd otherwise be tempted to abandon :D

[@kyle52245]

awesome episode!! game two was amazing!! I love lings into ultras! you can get lings up to 2/2 and by the time ultras show up they will be absolute demons! Game 3 was some awesome salt mining cheese to finish it off!

[@venkatchait007]

I'm loving the zerg cheeses, seems like the most fun way to play SC2

[@InqWiper]

"If I didn't lose, I would have won" -CRUXRain

[@ericludwig9014]

What about building a second hatch in the proxy hatch strat vs toss where they pull probes to kill the hatchery? As in build two simultaneously as opposed to one after the other. and no I don't mean starting them at the same time but starting the second one as soon as possible before they kill the first one so they could possibly both finish or at least one does. Maybe they have to pull all the probes to kill them both fast enough and then they have no minerals whatsoever...

[@Rodrigo-vw8fy]

you should definitely send the second game to lowko, would love his commentary on your replay :)

[@Rodrigo-vw8fy]

Hey Uthermal, would you do a video of your computer setup and hotkeys?

[@jellystones72]

A salty opponent will always get a click from me lol

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

I can't remember who can do this, Its protoss' Nexus power can be used on the minimap, and some spel lcasters can be used via minimap. OS without having to navigate back to your home you can cast a spell via minimap, fro ma queen on your Hatchery. Not sure, but I remember using spells via minimap, but it doesn't work for everything, Like if you have a queen per hatchery, without navigating back, all your Larva queens in a group, its, spell cast hold, spell cast hold on each hatchery, so tehy all don't move across to the hatchery. something like that the casting is instnat, so as long as the queens are close its fine, thre are otehr fast ways to creep spread and inject. Getting a timer or inject and creep beeper is the best for zerg, since its a micro intensive race which is why I like it. Having a repeat beat and timer, is nice, if it can some how know what you do it, there was games where timers would overlay, after you use x skill and it could measure, not sure if a mod liek that is accepte,d but as far as I knwo since its like pe nand paper a normal tool, timer crafts are allowed via rules, as long as all players can have them. ANyways blizzard should jsut add tooltip helpers, that cna be enabled and disabled, like creep and inject timers you can set up specific timer,s but if the game doens't like it, have a vibe beat, is pretty good, to remind you, lol. I guess it coudl take a me a few seconds ot figure it, but I know some spells cna be used via mini map.. onto buildings.

[@SeekAndDestroyTM]

ThrivingGG - wp mate. Keep up the great work!

[@ThrivingGG]

Thank you. 💀

[@meowfacemcgee]

Imagine calling a tactic an overextension when you couldn't punish it lol. Perfectly extended XD

[@eircK]

That thing with canceling the first drone and not caring about the larva when going 12 pool I think I've seen vibe do it on a b2gm. I think it doesn't matter cause in the time you need to wait for 200 minerals for the pool the hatchery's full of larva so you're not using it anyway or something.

[@onix3539]

Saltmines overloaded

[@artemirrlazaris7406]

Best defence against mutas, is armor upgrades. typicalyl ends up as X / 1/1 and I think ultras fully upgraded only take 3/1/1. but 1 is the bounce to it, there is no zero damag,e so 1 is null. min. Wit ha sentry, ultras take 1 damage. lol with full armor upgrades and a sentry, ultras take 1.. from a first attack. and well air attack... unstanding its 3 bounce mechanic. once you have atleast two armor upgrades, the lateral buds only take like 1 damage or 2.. so mutas lose a lot of power later game against upgrades because amror is counted for each bounce attack.

[@ThueJanusKristensen]

Aww, I had hoped for more tryhard for today. :)

[@BuddyWudzyn]

Haha me too

[@capt_sms]

just when first rules screen popped up, colours of the drones and hatch changed from red to blue, how and why? :D

[@nibsniven3497]

I was worried Marc may be a little under the weather, so I played this video at 0.25 speed for closer examination. OMG I think he’s had a stroke! He sounds terrible!!!

[@WastedTalent83]

im pretty sure the last guy, was talking to himself when he wrote those things, he was pissed at his own gameplay. Because those things don't insult you after the gg, it doesn't make sense :D

[@Terracronz]

love seeing the zerg spellcasters get used like that, who needs a spire or hydra den when you got infestor/viper

[@XP5D]

Respect for all the enjoyment you have for all the whacky shit you pull off

[@Killzone110]

I had a massive plug inside me... Thank you so much for posting this.

[@natethenotsogreat8349]

🤨

[@jemandvondort1585]

i’ve been watching so many of your Zerg games lately that I called the Ultra Rush before you did haha

[@nicklindberg90]

More 🧀🧀🧀 and 🧂🧂🧂!

[@benihanah]

All great games with great dynamics! GGWP!!!

[@maximk9964]

I do like some salty cheese True story, bro

[@Snowboardbound]

I have a question. When that panels pops up in the beginning saying ‘Cheese’ and then a list of rules. Is that just an overlay for uThermal only and he’s the only one that sees it? Or is it a rule that is set for both players and they both see it?

[@BigFx]

It's just an overlay for the viewers here. The other player has no idea what the "challenge" is.

[@Snowboardbound]

@@BigFx thanks so much! That makes a lot of sense

[@Yumari-Mai]

Unexpected infestor-viper treat, that's awesome to see.

[@williamtee6776]

"i wish i can see someone do it on a pro level" .... just watch your own replay... you can then see it

[@beezienkirsten]

This was so good deserves cpl rewatches

[@thickcheeks9603]

That second game where you went spd lings into Ultra rush then he went Mutas to which you countered with infestors and viper was exaclty like none of my ZvZ's ever! That was really entertaining :D

[@N1L4RV]

This is the first time I see a salty player say gg and then start to be salty. That's new =)))

[@jamiereid7428]

That 2nd ZvZ was a banger! Ultras>Mutas

[@gcl2783]

Absolutely shooketh

[@looking4haggs]

Can we get a ultralisk queen drop vs zerg?

[@MrStevegibb]

Its strange that in real wars doing the unexpected strategy is extremely important and surprising the enemy is an know effective often winning strategy, yet in SC2 doing this causes opponents to have temper tantrums and to call you noob. The reality is that in war there is an element of luck that can seem like your playing paper scissors rock.

[@IForgeWeight]

I realize i never even grasped the core of this game

[@synka5922]

first I thought this was a pig salt mines!

[@Ty-bz7zx]

Bangin' !

[@rigdigwus]

ZvZ is the best matchup. it's such a crazy matchup that can go either way any second

[@kma3647]

I kinda feel for that last guy. I totally get being frustrated with cheese like that. He was doing what he needed to do, according to the textbook, and just got out-micro'd. To be fair, you do bring pro-level micro down to not-quite-pro level players which is a lot of your win-loss rates on these challenges, so again, I'll give the guy a pass. The second game was fire though! Huge shoutout to that guy for putting up a heroic fight against the unexpected!

[@kgeo2686]

Yea with 12 pool you can cancel the egg because with that build you end up waiting before the overlord pops

[@KoufalKoufax]

damn the viper/infester play

[@simondazoe8825]

Thanks for the content

[@フワー]

in 12 pool it indeed doesn't make any difference, you will still bank 3 larva before you make a pool

[@zollof6699]

Some ppl just don't know how to appreciate a good eseehc.

[@hendrik1834]

When are we going to see Spore Crawler rush to GM?

[@inthefade]

Just need a proper TvP build that makes it somewhat reliable.

[@dry_snail1040]

Are you still streaming ?!

[@Spegmaster]

do a spine drop put a drone in a dropalord and use the overlord's creep to build it and move it into the scv line.

[@DiverDrive428]

I subscribed for you channel because you are very cool

[@ArmaGGon]

Came looking for copper but I found salt. Nice.

[@sc2starkey]

A wash is tie, you mean to say a wipe

[@Kaboomnz]

I think CRUX was meaning he felt like a rtard for losing to that.

[@D3cepti0ns]

I'd love to see your skill apppied to AOE2, which I'm sure you've been asked a lot. If you get bored of what you are playing, AOE2 is a legit competition scene that is growing.

[@MichaelGreen831]

Love your stuff!

[@TheZzpgtp98]

another banger!! ❤‍🔥

[@chir0pter]

absolutely superb

[@Matjo7588dk]

I always wonder how people that lose. Become toxic and then says. "Your build sucks. It was such a free win" That is just dumb to say when you lose to it. Then you can say that everytime you lose, if I had just did this or this to your build it would have been a free win for me. The fact is you did not, and you lost. hard, So if anything the only one having a free win, is the one you lost to. Be salty, act like a child. be toxic. be dumb. But saying its a bad build and would have been a free win when you lose. Dont do that. With that. A lot of respect for the Zerg you battled. He gives you really good matches. Super fun. And seems to give it a go.

[@davidelrizzo]

Every day Ultras come out is a good day! 👏👏

[@begg3495]

true story bro 😂

[@Jast007]

I think he sometimes forgets how much better he is than GMs lol. I’m diamond and I don’t stream myself stomping on golds with a cheese

[@sermerlin1]

Hey guys... I need help with SC2... I have I5 11400 and RTX 3090 but for some reason the game stutters like hell... No matter where I lock FPS... Whether it be 150-120 or 60 or anything in between. It just stutters like crazy. I'm using LG 27GP850 display with gsync enabled. I tried even using 32 bit version of SC2 but doesn't help.

[@_catsy]

Does it seem to happen when there are a lot of units out on the map? SC2 tends to be more CPU intensive when it’s rendering a large number of units, so it might be your CPU if that’s the case.

[@sermerlin1]

@@_catsy No, it's not related to rendering at all. Just stutters like crazy on its own. Literally even at the beginning of the game it just perpetually stutters. You can see like the target FPS for lets say 120 fps but then you see sudden jumps to 80-90 then sometimes overshoots to 130-150 fps ... These stutters are sudden and not related to anything what's going on screen they just occur. I have adaptive sync enabled and doesn't matter if settings are low or high it just occurs. I can't figure out why. But when I specifically set refresh rate to 120hz for example from 165hz the native panel refresh and do vsync on it, it kind of smooths out, there are still stutters but far less I just can't understand why is it all occurring. But when i remove FPS cap and vsync cap it goes to about 180 - 200 fps (but you can still feel stutters identically).

[@sermerlin1]

@@garrusvakarian8709 Exactly. This is a powerful desktop PC. 32 Gigs 3600mhz 16CL DDR4 memory, 2TB of kingston hyperx gen 4 m2 SSD RTX 3090 i5 11400... Even on min settings these stutters occur. Like it's unrelated to settings completely and they are random not related to anything what's occuring on screen. It's so annoying and for the likes of me I just can't find why. I even reinstalled the game.

[@mannygee005]

it's probably not the game and it's probably not the PC. There could be something running in the background that is messing things up. It might be hard to find. I don't know but could be something like antivirus or some adblocker or somekind of security not set right. Something active in the background continuously interrupting. That's all I can think of.

[@sermerlin1]

@@mannygee005 Yeah that's my though too... But none of the other games have this issue only starcraft 2. I play alan wake 2, WoW, cyberpunk, grim dawn, to name the few... I will also go ahead and test with starcraft remastered to see if issue is with that game as well (as I understand SC remastered uses SC2 engine as basis but may be completely wrong).

[@vidura]

2:00 FOR GODDAMS SAKE MAN, STOP THE INCESSANT TALKING FOR A GODDAMN ONE SECOND MAN, THERE IS ENEMY APPROACHING YOUR BASE, MAN.

[@miklemon2357]

“True story bro”

[@cole-nq1ru]

Secretly a zerg main

[@illt3ck]

I would watch proxy hatch to spine crawler siege all day

[@raghardeishi972]

He probably forgave you for the first game after he got interesting second game. Also Ultraliks have armor, and are nice against anything that has low damage per hit. They can last a while against some stuff.

[@89sharlo]

Really enjoyed the third game :-]

[@beeto910]

Must know how muta fell to the para bomb in game 2

[@ThrivingGG]

Opponent (me) is bad at micro and couldn't find the affected units 😂