Roofing Gutter apron and edge metal

[@dhh488]

Great video. You're a true craftsman. I'm only here because I have to fix a poorly done gutter job a contractor did when we had hail a couple years ago.

[@jrg2068]

Awesome video. Would have liked to see more on the laying of the ice and water barrier, but maybe that is another video. Very good work. Very easy to understand!

[@GrandRoofingInc]

Thank you! Yes ice and water with synthetic paper will be next video.

[@snakeinthegrak8969]

I'm glad ice and water isn't necessary where I live. Because I hate having to pull that stuff off.

[@databang]

Thanks for this fundamental roofing video. I learned a lot of crucial detailing.

[@claudepotter7763]

Just want to say you did great job good video thanks for sharing info

[@incognitonunyabuisness5192]

Professionally done sir 👍

[@PavelessAdventure]

We know we would all have nailed that short piece of flashing on 😝 good video dude!!

[@GrandRoofingInc]

Haha there are so many people that will comment that think they know best. You got to watch what you do and say on here.

[@PavelessAdventure]

but great video lots of good pointers, just the simple stuff thats not a big deal like lapping the joints so you dont see them from higher traffic areas, i need to show all my guys this video. Maybe make them all watch it 10 times!!! cheers

[@LyonsArcade]

Very cool video man. Thanks for going through the trouble to show all this. I see you're getting tons of comments telling you they do it a different way or you did it wrong, that means you're getting successful brother keep it up :)

[@alexness7788]

Awesome video. I love what you have done in this KZbin roofing community. Keep up the good work. I do have some feedback for you. I would edit out the Plummer's crack starting around 12:50.

[@cesararmendariz8148]

Agree with you, many of us have greatly benefited from his videos. Also, Nobody wants a crack on their roof 😒

[@MoneyManHolmes]

All of the good roofing channels show crack or holed underwear.

[@stumpynubs5387]

should roof plywood be flush with facia board?

[@patrickmclaughlin6013]

11:50 hey! I thought this was a roofing video not a plumbing video?? Thank You for sharing your roofing expertise.

[@TAGGdinc]

Y'all roofers need to start making ur gutter aprons at least a quarterinch away from the fascia board so a gutter can easily slip under without being forced to bend the metal up everywhere a gutter will go. When you force a dumb gutter guy to bend the flashing up it risks us pulling the nails out of flashing. Plus the water likes to escape behind the gutter when you install it super tight the way you did.

[@TAGGdinc]

Ya the bottom little bend is supposed tomkeepl that from happening but when installed super tight that bend is smaller than a water drop through surface tension it will stay fixed to the fascia board which is exactly what you are trying to prevent.

[@WanderCampesino]

Almost 6,000 subs! Good work

[@GrandRoofingInc]

Thanks!

[@stumpynubs5387]

When using gutter apron should there be a space at bottom where it runs into gutter?

[@tinamcwilliams7029]

Well done brother

[@Tyler-be2sq]

Another cracking job

[@GrandRoofingInc]

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[@Tyler-be2sq]

@@GrandRoofingInc your crack was showing 😂

[@GrandRoofingInc]

Lol I was wondering how long it was going to take for somebody to say that. I got one side completely done and was going through all the recordings I was like son of a b****. Oh well, sorry!

[@MaMa-qh4dy]

Grand Roofing Inc. No sweat Brian. We all got one!

[@justinmakuc6586]

Thank you for the informative video!

[@pcatful]

I'm with you on this one. The internet is full of confusing information on drip edge and aprons, some that include your videos. After seeing the misuse of drip edges, mostly not protecting or creating negative slope at eaves. I see no reason for it at the gutters. I hope I understand your method correctly. Mostly it seems to be about the roofer looking at what they are actually creating in relation to water and ice.

[@WShep]

Thanks, I have an inside corner where the gutter apron was done horribly leaving a straight up hole into my eve's that hornets decided to take over. At least now I know how to fix it. Hopefully next year when I get a new roof I can have them fix these details.

[@scottd2986]

I like slightly crimp the undercourse and trim the little angle off on the bottom, then my overlap bumps into cut, in turn eliminates the bulging overlap. On the right valley, I use drip edge for the whole transition, gives a cleaner look. Plus I always have a 1/2" overhang with the shingles, and if you follow a clean line the overhang would be about an inch. Which will void manufacturers warranty for exceeding max 3/4" overhang.

[@huejanus5505]

Excellent video. It’s the little details that make the roof aesthetically pleasing and water tight. I moved into a house a month ago and just realized that there are no drip edges on it. They just bent the top of the fascia, about 3/4 inch at 90 degrees away from the roof, to support the edge of the shingles. Not impressed. I just hope water is not dripping behind the fascia till i can up there and fix it.

[@Josh-ww5kz]

It's weird, where I live not many people seem to care about that sort of thing. They'd rather just have metal going up the rake. Which does offer protection but not as much as if it were don't in the eaves. Guess they all wants something more visibly pleasing then something that actually makes a difference in if the eave fascia rots or not

[@stumpynubs5387]

Do you use OSB instead of plywood for roof sheathing?

[@GrandRoofingInc]

It depends on what the customer wants.

[@stumpynubs5387]

In your experience which one holds up better?

[@MrRerod]

Good video. My gutter guy wants me to use aluminum gutter apron for aluminum gutters, but will I have to hand nail aluminum nails instead of coil roofing nails?

[@GrandRoofingInc]

I don't see why you would need to. Using an apron is good. Was he encouraging aluminum for any particular reason? Aluminum is a little softer and more flexible, so wondering if that might be why, for him to get the gutter in easier?

[@MrRerod]

@@GrandRoofingInc He mentioned electrolysis or dissimilar metals, but I cant find any aluminum apron so I'll stick some duct tape to the back so the metal doesnt touch the aluminum gutter. Probably a non issue with asphalt since they last maybe 30 years only.

[@kansascityshuffle8526]

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[@kinzinger1]

On the front gable, I've seen a wedge cut out of front facing piece then folded on itself keeping intact metal on the apex of the gable

[@tinamcwilliams7029]

Great video

[@robertjamrych8403]

when we get the roof done we put the gutter on the ice and water 2 inches more than shingles and the flashing under the shingles

[@patgenest9961]

can you please explain why drip edge belongs on the gables and gutter apron belongs on the sides parallel to the ground? Just trying to understand the physics of why one vs the other

[@barleyhops38]

Question: I'm about to get a new roof and saw that my neighbor had silicone caulking at the bottom edge of the gable apron all along it's length. Why would a roofer do that as does it need to be sealed at the bottom or not sealed? Also, if you have gutters and there is more than a 2" drop on the length.... do you need a edge that is 2" along the first part, and then an edge that is wider for when there is more than a 2" drop on the 16" lenghth? Thanks, and hope you are still answering your comments.

[@GrandRoofingInc]

Yes still answering comments as best I can. As far as silicone on the bottom apron, if they install the roof correctly there should be no need for it. Although without seeing exactly what you're talking about I can't say for 100% certainty. You're other question with the 2" drop I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. If you have any photos feel free to send them over in a message on our Facebook page and I will take a look at them.

[@qstrian]

What’s the ‘over or under’ on the ice-water shield fabric and the drip edge?

[@MrRerod]

I had a 80' eave and my apron hang over on most is 3/8, but one spot 3/4" Is this a issue for the gutter hanger?

[@diamond6256]

QUESTION: Gutter apron or edge metal. Shouldn't it COVER the facia? In other words, not leave exposed wood? That is my issue now. I want mine to cover the facia all the way to the gutter and I have Leaf guard gutters.

[@awesastic8148]

so the drip edge shoul be covered by the leak/ice barrier but over the felt paper? or was that just random

[@Simon-dg5qs]

Great video! Like the angle of the camera, but why not wear a GoPro too and switch between shots?

[@domb1111995]

Great video with very much detail and little tips 👍 But I have a question. It's just a small detail but, why are you cutting the 45 on the one that goes over and not the one that goes under when you are installing the drip edge on the gable end? I always do it like that and I think it looks a little bit cleaner 😉

[@Josh-ww5kz]

It looks cleaner for the first like couple of minutes after installing, but afterwards when the roof is complete, you don't even look at those sort of small unneeded details. As the shingles that overhang it cover up that area anyways

[@johnhines2708]

Does the gutter apron get installed behind the gutter or into the gutter?

[@sambhangal]

into...so water is kept away from the fascia.

[@eambriz86]

Question, why not use Ice shield for the whole roof instead of only half and the other half by synthetic felt?

[@anthonygiesbrecht3107]

Ice shield is much more expensive per roll, and each roll covers far less square feet than synthetic. So you put the ice shield on the sections that are most likely to experience ice damming (the eaves and valleys), and put synthetic on the rest of the roof that doesn't require such a heavy duty product. Technically the ice shield is the better product, but for the average roof it would be total overkill to use to cover the whole thing.

[@eambriz86]

@@anthonygiesbrecht3107 oh interesting. Thank you for your response. I am a novice and starting working on my garage roof. Regarding the Gutter Apron would you recommend Anywhere besides Home Depot or Lowes? They don’t have many options

[@anthonygiesbrecht3107]

@@eambriz86 I'm not American so I'm not sure what those stores offer. But from what I know those stores are more frequently visited by homeowners rather than contractors. You're better off visiting the lumberyards that the contractors go to. General rule of thumb, refer to drip edge as "90 degree flashing", and gutter apron as "45 degree flashing". Different stores have different names for their products, but if you clarify what degree you want, it should help you explain to the salesperson what you want.

[@eambriz86]

@@anthonygiesbrecht3107 you are a life saver

[@dtm8073]

Awesome video! October 2019 I roofed my newly built garage, 5/12 pitch and I did exactly as what you've just shown except I used drip edge everywhere and if I remember correctly I overlapped 4". The following summer when it started getting hot outside, the drip edge started buckling every 6' to 8' along the fascia and gables. Any idea what could cause that or what I might of did wrong? Thanks.

[@GrandRoofingInc]

No it's kind of hard to tell without seeing it if you have a picture send it to the Grand Roofing Inc Facebook page messaging, I'll check it out.

[@dtm8073]

@@GrandRoofingInc Okay, thanks. I’ll check and see what it’s like right now. When it’s hot outside, it buckles and when it’s cooler it settles back to its original shape.

[@purgatorysrath4455]

@@dtm8073 aluminum fascia always expands and then causes the buckle. I assume you installed it when it was cold and then nailed it. The bigger the facia board, the bigger chance of it "oil canning" as we call it. I install seamless guttering, and if we install in very cold temperatures, come next summer, "on occasion" not all, the gutter will buckle also. It looks as if someone actually kicked the gutter with their foot every two feet. Which is the space that you set the hangars. So in between each hangar you will see an inward buckle of the aluminum. The gutter can expand almost an inch in the summer if it was installed in temperatures below 40 degrees. Facia reacts the same way but to more of an extent because it is very thin metal.

[@Sean-John]

Can I do the gutter apron without removing my gutters?

[@GrandRoofingInc]

Yes you actually want to put your gutter apron over and into your gutter.

[@Sean-John]

@@GrandRoofingInc awesome thanks

[@tinamcwilliams7029]

I use to have that gun was a really good gun

[@MaMa-qh4dy]

I like ice and water OVER the gutter apron like you did. However, on rake, why not put ice and water also OVER drip edge so that any water leaking through shingle will not be able to get under drip edge and onto wood?

[@scottd2986]

It's a code requirement in most states. Idea behind it is if very high winds happen s and lifts the shingles the drip edge holds the paper down, less chance of tearing and getting the deck wet.

[@louisbrown2279]

I want to see some of your bloopers like when you cut your angle for your rake edge backwards and turned your back to the camera so we couldn't see you fix it 👍🏻

[@GrandRoofingInc]

What part are you talking about? I didn't cut anything backwards, there was one gutter apron I cut too short.

[@louisbrown2279]

Looked like you cut your rake bottom on the Dormer side above the valley angled the wrong way but could have been I seen it wrong on my phone screen anyways not trying to hate I like your vids but yes bloopers would add a cool twist to your videos

[@rickyp.625]

My shingles were installed without gutter apron and edge metal. I have gutters and water is leaking behind gutter. Can I install under the shingles and put adhesive below or above metal? What adhesive do you recommend?

[@GrandRoofingInc]

Yes you should be able to add a piece of gutter apron. you might need to use a flat bar possibly if you have nails in the way but should be able to get it tucked under and tact off.

[@josehuerta4429]

13:52 nothing wrong with the imaginary line but I like to mark it on the inside of the drip edge with a pencil. But great video 👍🏾

[@dash4786]

This is a great video! I would love to help haha looks fun.

[@joemomma2517]

The great roofing debate..what comes first drip or ice guard.good video though..plus Hitachi changed to Metabo

[@JoseOrtiz-so4in]

Bottom drip edge always comes first

[@joemomma2517]

@@JoseOrtiz-so4in not necessarily if the house has ice dam issues..I live in northern ohio along lake erie..I always ice shield down half the facia board then drip then put a half row of ice on my drip

[@TerminalTeVe]

Grace ice shield states in their instructions that the ice shield goes first and drip edge over it.

[@marcusransom9334]

Pretty damn sure your gutter apron/drip edge doesn't fit tight against the fascia. Your supposed to have a 1/2 gap so water tension doesn't work its way behind the edge

[@garrett3113]

I always make my metal have under and over laps. Lol makes it look nicer and plus when its complete the metal on the sides will hold together without rivets. We all say. Everyone has different ways of doing it lol

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[@aurorasplawn5024]

You do not have to over hang shingles with t drip because that gives you your over hang it actually better cause it gives it strength

[@mikethompson7436]

Than 5 years later the gable ridge cap is split that's exactly how not to do it

[@lpc5152]

good work, doesn't make sense when gutter apron is on top of underlayment

[@timothylewissr.5080]

ice and water in the valley first. Then the drip edge, then ice and water over, at least the valley again... just saying. Cost is more but more protection in the valley, no exposed nails....

[@geneplummer6645]

wonder just how many people can cut a square line by eye , lol

[@gorfgorf]

Gutter apron should not be flush. It needs to be out enough to get your fingers under. This is to prevent water from running down and around and on to your house.

[@darryltaylor9916]

ice and water go on first.absolutely nothing goes under ice and water..it's job is to stick to the decking, not to seal a nail head....then felt...then metal.

[@GrandRoofingInc]

There ice and water seals and down to the decking yes as well as the apron. You could also hang the ice and water down over your fascia board like it calls for.

[@Josh-ww5kz]

This is wrong. The dripedge/eave metal should be on first before ice and water. Exactly like it is shown in the video. Yes, ice and water is meant to stick to the decking, that's its purpose, to stick to the decking, and to seal around the nail protrusions to offer better chance at keeping water from flowing down the nail and into the decking If you were to put the drip edge overtop of the i&w at the eaves. If any ice damming happens, the water will simply have a chance of tucking itself underneath the eave metal. Water flows downhill. Then it will be contacting the fascia behind the gutters and cause it to rot.

[@GrandRoofingInc]

Thank you Josh for the excellent explanation!

[@alexness7788]

Sorry Darryl... think about how water flows. You would want it to go over the gutter apron and into the gutter and not under the gutter apron and into the fascia.

[@darryltaylor9916]

@@Josh-ww5kz Ice dams form from the roof edge up, ...even though water runs downhill. once ice gets behind your metal, it's on the decking underneath the ice and water shield. ...if the metal was on top, water would go to the felt paper then to the ice and water shield...never touching the deck surface, in short if you put metal on first, there is nothing under it to stop a leak. take a small survey...does metal go on before ice and water?...I say nothing goes under ice and water, and metal goes on after felt paper. 00.02 ...no disrespect