Graphics card in a IBM Systen X x3650 M2 or M3 - 190

[@XGreenThumb]

A great job. Its always better to grind the plastic away and allow the full x8 connection (Some Severs even offers "open" x8 slots by default). Because if we just using a stock x1-x16 riser adapter then x8 would get negotiated down to x1. That's fine for mining but not for rendering / gaming etc.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi XGreenThumb Thank You very much! My suggestion is to grind the cheapest bit to replaces,, if you F* it up. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@joclever6474]

Some manufacturers even put open PCI E slots in, E.g. Intel S5520

[@MyPlayHouse]

That would have been SO nice in these servers.

[@joclever6474]

@@MyPlayHouse Yes I really like these. I also have a x3850 X5 with only one x16 slot, would have been nice if I could put more GPUs in there. Well, you have to take what you get and work with that :D

[@ServantesPL]

Hi. Is it possible to use a graphics card with x3850 m2?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi ServantesPL I am not sure,, that I need to test. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@RICARDOJDS93]

Hello my friend. would you have a change of testing any of the NVidia GTX cards?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi Ricardo Silva I am afraid I do not own any of those :-) Thank you for watching! :-)

[@theunitedfederationofgamer4697]

I hope i can run a gtx 1050 in dell poweredge r810

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi the united federation of gamers Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)

[@R2053]

i hope to get one of those for servers 20 euros (what a deal) but all drive cages are missing i also have a 8800gt would it theoretically be possible to run sli right?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi I ended up using an AMD card in the end : kzbin.info/aero/PLS2odYzlaogK5xhBEcxBZDg84We6xn-iM Thank you for watching! :-)

[@MadIIMike]

The issue I see with the USB-Riser thingy is, that it only seems to be 4x on the PCIe side. USB 3.0 has a transfer rate of 5 gb/s, but PCIe 1.0/2.0 only manage 1gb/s / 2gb/s on 4x. So when using this one on a old Server, you'd get even more of a bottleneck. Putting it simple, "our" old PCIe 1.X 8x Slots are already at the very borderline when it comes to even older high end GPU (think GTX 680, HD 7970). Something I wonder tough... the way PCIe works i.E. you can just cut off the back of a x4 slot and throw in a x16 card and what not, wouldn't it be possible to make some kind of adaptor for 2 x8 to 1 x16?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi MadIIMike Thank You very much! I have made a lot of videos on GPU and servers,, check out more! Thank you for watching! :-)

[@lesgarten]

Hi, I have a Supermicro board on a few of my servers, and if I install a PCIe graphics card I cannot virtualize the KVM in the IPMI interface. I can access the IPMI interface via IP, but when I try to run the virtual KVM console, it shows just a black screen. Have you tried to do this here with the IBM IMM BMC interface and the virtual KVM? I would like to see if you get this working because I would like to pass through a graphics card to an Apple VM on ESXI.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi Les Garten Interesting problem, it had I not thought about if IBM's RSAII or IMM will function when there is a second graphics card. I have the same planner with pass through a graphics card to an xxxxx VM on ESXI, so you'll probably see my struggles. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@KSSilenceAU]

+My PlayHouse (Morten Hjorth) It does function, BUT you must tell the Server in the EFI to use the Onboard video for display rather than the GPU, atleast for ESXi Anyway, Windows or Linux may be different as they may allow you once booted to use both the onboard and the Add-in card and mirror them, i will need to try the later myself and see what happens, il give it a try tomorrow and report back.

[@chrislowe8085]

Silly question does IBM have proper 3d GFX drivers for that IBM onboard video driver. my HP G5's don't so I get the basic video card & 1.0 in the Windows 7 as well. Once I install server 2003/2008/2008 R2 it installs the Es1000 ati driver with full 3d driver support. Have you tried the Windows Server in a non vm on the M1/2/3/4 serise Server you have? To see what the video support is? FYI I did up end getting the DL380 G6, I'll let you know how the paththrough is.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi +Doomed ForLife Well it´s no problem to use the builtin GFX card direct in Windows,, it is the virtual layer that make it a hassle. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@justw4lkbesideme]

Sir can i have the link for vga driver For x3650 m2 for win 7 64 bit

[@MyPlayHouse]

Here is where I would start looking : www.ibm.com/support/fixcentral/systemx/selectFixes?parent=System%20x3650%20M2&product=ibm/systemx/7947&&platform=All&function=all

[@calebgrefe8922]

Do you know if the PCI-E slot provides 75w or only 25w in this server?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi caleb grefe Thank You very much! an X8 is 25W and a x16 is 75W Thank you for watching! :-)

[@smithjohn1692]

@@MyPlayHouse thanks you, i am install gpu nvidia gt710 (NEAT7100HD46-2080F) in pci-e x8 slot.

[@krist0sh]

Although the external solution might be easier, the internal one gives a much better look in my book. These PCIe cards will need power, they simply won't work without them being present.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi TCN0101 Do you have any idear how the power works in thag 6pin connector? Thank you for watching! :-)

[@krist0sh]

I actually can't find any relevant information on the motherboard mounted 6-pin connector online, which is pretty weird considering this is IBM. However, if you have a multi-meter you could certainly measure the voltage of the pins in that motherboard-connector and compare it to the original PCIe pin-out. When you find out where the +12V and ground are located in the connector, making a 6-pin to 6-pin cable yourself shouldn't be that hard. Especially if it matches the original PCIe layout, which in that case it's just to splice the yellow and black cables together. Looking forward to an update on this project! Actually got an x3650 M1 which I gave to my friend as it's way too noisy for my usage. Had 2 of those 'weak' dual-core's as you mentioned in your other video too, but for him as a testing server it's more than enough.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi TCN0101 I have now made a video, where i make my one cable,, and it works. See video next week. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@bobwarpath2395]

I have an IBM x3650 m3 server, how do I put windows 7 or 10 on it?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi BOB WARPATH Thank You very much! I would think it works with no issues?? Thank you for watching! :-)

[@TheFunman67]

Can you do a video where you load Windows 10 straight on a server with no VMware. Because I am going to buy a IBM x3850 m2 and I found a place I can get Windows 10 for $20. So I was wandering if it is even possible.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi +Cpt. Snow I'll put it on my list of video ideas,,, But well does windows 10 work with 4 CPU?? look that up! Thank you for watching! :-)

[@uranoesquivel2036]

Cpt. Snow yeah it does but where did u buy win 10 for 20$

[@Magicairsoft9]

Urano Esquivel Rather do not ask- if we are talking in legal way. But the European Union claims, that you can resale used Retail licenses, if you bought used computer (like second hand) with Retail license on it- which basically means its illegal by voiding license rights of the product, but in Europe nobody can judge anyone for this. :-/ weird

[@MarekAndreansky]

Buying the same IBM sever but need to put a large pcie16 gfx card inside. Any hints on where I could buy a riser for that?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi +Marek Andreánsky The PCIe x16 are not often for sale,, so no and if i find one,,I´ll get it :-) I want one to!! Thank you for watching! :-)

[@MarekAndreansky]

+My PlayHouse (Morten Hjorth) :) Do you know of any universal risers that would be compatible with this IBM server? Thinking of just buying a universal card and screw driving it to the external part of the original raiser.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi +Marek Andreánsky I tried to get this one : but he canceled the order and said that he did not have it. :-/ Thank you for watching! :-)

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi +Marek Andreánsky Oops forgot the link : www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-46M6400-x3660-M2-Riser-Card-/150865559077?ssPageName=ADME:X:BCS:US:3160 Thank you for watching! :-)

[@MarekAndreansky]

My PlayHouse I know, read your comment :( Just wondering if I could buy a riser card that would fit the chassis, unscrew the old riser card and put a new one (non-IBM) in there. Don't know if IBM servers play well with parts that are not from IBM.

[@inblackn]

Hey, I got ibm system x3400 with 32gb and 2 Xeon that im trying to make a gaming machine. The server was really cheap (45€) and now im seeing some way to addapt some graphics card to it. I saw some chinese risers, like from pci-e 8x to 16x that i think could be a good bet. Im even think of adapt the riser since the pci-e only gives 25W of power and usually the high end graphics need more juice. Do you think the machine will be bootlenecked?

[@MyPlayHouse]

HI +Miguel Rosa I do not know the x3400 series,, is it a M1, M2 or M3 ?? I googled it and fund : pci-e + 6pin = upto150watts. in addition to the standard 75 given by the pci-e slot the 6 pin will add up to another 75w. Here : www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2332686/power-pin-connector.html I do not think it is going to be a easy game server. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@zGratchBenchmarks]

Hi, not sure if you know about this server but I have a HP DL585 G6. It has 4 Processors each running 6 Cores = 24 Cores, Runs really well 60GB of RAM runs well. Anyway It has 2 power supply's, has 2 molex sitting on the side? Can I just plug in a graphic card and it will automatically change to it? I have a spare GTX 580 which might be a bit too high end? But I also have a ATI R7 240? Which is a low end card using little power? Any suggestions? Thank you.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi +Gracjan Lewinski (TheGratchh) If the graphics card fits and there is power for it it vill work just fine. It's getting a virtual machine to see and use it that is the challenge. The DL585 G6 is an AMD server right,, i have not tried that. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@morrisk4y]

i did this with 1050ti on a x3650 m3 works fine, launched scum and it worked good no crash or nothing ;D you can probably add a powersupply on the side add the pcie pins into the gpu if it needs more power and hotwire psu with these 24 pin hotwire thing

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi morris K Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)

[@coolbolas]

Do you have a link to the item you got from china? Cheers

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi Jon-Scott Bolas Sure,, i just updated the video description with the link to the 1X-6X PCI-e PCI-e Express Riser Extenders. www.aliexpress.com/item/Good-Quality-bitcon-miner-1X-TO-16X-PCI-E-PCI-E-Express-Riser-Extender-Adapter-Card/1856301809.html This was for two of these,,, but do a search, there are lots of them. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@coolbolas]

Ok thank you for responding. Love your videos by the way. :-)

[@theunitedfederationofgamer4697]

Am i able to run games on a server with a gpu installed?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi the united federation of gamers It Can,, I would not recommend it,, a gaming PC will do a better job. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@theunitedfederationofgamer4697]

@@MyPlayHouse what about a game hosting server?

[@1foreverr]

What are the major differences between m3 and m2?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi 1foreverr RAM and RAM speed, + 4 extra drives,,max. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@1foreverr]

My PlayHouse Thanks!

[@apigoterry]

Just one quick question, why put a graphics card in a sever?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi terry john apigo Some programes use the graphics card,, like 3D MAX, Adobe preimere, windows movie maker ect. So even though you got a realy fast server,, these programes will be slow og not run at all. The plan is to install ESXi 6.0 and passthrough the graphice card to a virtuel machine. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@apigoterry]

Oh. I didnt know you will be using it for ESXI because the OS you installed is windows 7. :D. Anyways, keep it up sir and nice and informational vids as usual.

[@loslosbaby]

Hey! Tak for the nice videos! Can you tell me, what do you use for your editing software? Thanks in advance!

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi +Greg S. Good question,, I have just put the answer in my FAQ : docs.google.com/document/d/10tNReA70PsMT4dnyyg6-DdCyFEVcAI9WMizq1SNBibY/edit?usp=sharing No. 6 Thank you for watching! :-)

[@kevinportillo1971]

I wouldn't do those modifications on a production environment, specially a bussiness.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi Kevin Portillo Thank You very much! No this is something you can play with at home. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@kevinportillo1971]

I ended up doing it lol I have a riser so it's just a small cosmetic detail now... Anyways, I couldn't get my video card to work because the driver is now compatible with the server system :( Anywork arounds suggested?

[@CableWrestler]

@@kevinportillo1971 Install Linux. Many games are now supported by steam and wine. Linux loads very good standard drivers as standard from an install.

[@ozon8440]

did you found a way to deliver extra power to the graphics card? i need a server with a powerful gpu (gtx1080) and it needs around 200w

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi OZON No,,, 150W is max I got out of it,, and that was with a very rare x16 GUP riser card for the x3650 M2/M3 : 46M1073, 69Y4325 The X8 will only give you 25W and the 6pin 75W. If you find an awesome ninja hack,,let me know! Thank you for watching! :-)

[@ozon8440]

My PlayHouse ok, thanks for your answer... then i have to look for another way to get ghe power

[@MadIIMike]

Unless I'm mistaken, the 1080 comes with two 8 pit (or 6+8 pin) connectors and has a TDP of 180w, so theoretically you should be able to fuel it just fine using an additional PSU (unless you manage to find a server which can handle this by itself).

[@ozon8440]

MadIIMike its 1 8pin connector, thats compatible with a 6 pin, so i will try with a 6 pin cable... if it wont work, i try your idea... but for that i have to connect the ground from the server and the ground from the external psu

[@Cana-Dave]

why don't you try a gtx 750ti, its the most powerful card that doesn't require additional power

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi Is it any good? Thank you for watching! :-)

[@dylanchen9372]

Fact is that these slots only give off 25w and if you have one with ext power it is going to function and if you have a card more than 25w it wouldn't work at all

[@travis7289]

So what will a gpu allow a server to do I'm a nub.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi A GPU can do some processing up to a 100 times faster than a CPU. like rendering and images processing,,, and so.. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@travis7289]

Ok still have to spend a lot of time on Google, thanks so much for the replies. When does a server render images? How does a server use gpu, I get what a gpu does. But don't know how a server would need one, I'm totally self teaching tech stuff and thought a server what just like a program runner.

[@travis7289]

+My PlayHouse (Morten Hjorth) like with a game. I figured a server held all the ones and zeros and sent it to clients to use gpu

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi Trav is When I have edited a video,, my editing soft ware "Sony Movie Studio 13 Platinum" can use GPU for rendering out the finished video,, and it's like 4-5 times faster then my Intel I7 2600K :-) Thank you for watching! :-)

[@RawmanFilm]

Have you tried to install a Trial of the older Sony Vegas versions? They had a network Renderer for CPU workloads :)

[@eljeffe3120]

Morten, does this work with a GTX 1980?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi Come on Aero Snake! how would you power a 1080 ?? Thank you for watching! :-)

[@eljeffe3120]

So you telling me it is not possible to power a powerful GPU in a server? What if i plug in both power supplies?

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi Not in old servers, but in new ones you can. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@eljeffe3120]

So it will work in HP gen9 servers? Thanks.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi Aero Snake Not sure,, you might run in to both power and space problems : kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpmWaqyOopqSjKs Thank you for watching! :-)

[@nuclearlambdahackteam6153]

In 2-3 days I will finally dream it but I also prefer the 3850m2 because it is big and very powerful :D but the 3650m3 are not expensive ;) have a nice day :)

[@CableWrestler]

Hello kind sir! I have a 1U X 3250 M2 server that I have had on a shelf for a very long time. Today I removed the E2200 CPU and replaced it with a Q6600! Socket 775! It also accepted 8GB of non-ECC PC6400 DDR2 RAM with no problems. I am very happy that it worked. My next plan is my graphics card. The internal layout of my server is very similar to yours, but it is all 1U. Unfortunately I don't have a single slot GPU (GTX 680 is double slot). I am hoping to use your video to help me fit this in my new machine. It is very noisy! Thank you

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi CableWrestler Thank You very much! I am not very knowledgeable with th x3250 M2, but you need to check if it had a PCI-e X16 slot for a GPU card,, and if it has internal power pin for GPU,, 6pin or 8pin. If there is only an PCI-e X8 there is just 25watt in that slot. If there is an PCI-e X16 there is 75W (unless anything else is noted) 6pin connector is another 75W and 8pin is 150W,,, and then there is the spaces limitations in the server. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@eranmalloch]

Dude! You really bring out the geek in me! I must be weird cos I am fascinated by your videos. I recently purchased an old IBM xseries 346 server (yes, I know, it's ANCIENT! But it only cost me $5 and the dang thing works! Running W7 Pro) and found this particular video of yours when searching youtube for ways to put a better graphics card inside my PCI-X architecture server. I'm still not sure if it's possible, but I just love your server room. Where on earth do you get all those servers? Old replaced stock from client sites I assume? I would love something like that set up in my garage but my partner would divorce me if I tried that! :-) Anyway, thanks for your cool videos & keep up the good work.

[@MyPlayHouse]

HI Yes the xseries 346 is really a little to old to be really fun,, You need a x3650 M1 for doing a good VM-ware environment, and the x3650 M2 if you want to put a graphis card in your VM's. Thank you for all the nice words! Thank you for watching! :-)

[@eranmalloch]

Thanks Morten. Yeh, I know it's almost a dinosaur :-) but trust me, as a computer guy from way back, I was still thrilled to actually be able to own a genuine IBM server. I am considering using it as a basic web server (using Ubuntu server + LAMP) running some wordpress websites, just for fun. I'll look into the x3650 M2 a little later when I have a more genuine need for it. At the moment, it's just a play toy. Plus 2nd hand servers like the x3650M2 are a LOT more expensive here in Australia than in the US or Europe :-( So, how did you get all those servers you have at your playhouse?

[@eranmalloch]

Hi again Morten. Since I last commented here, I have brought an x3650 M3 but still looking to put a decent graphics card in it. I have tried finding the x16 PCIe riser card for the 3650 M3 (69Y4325 ?) but not having much luck so far. I notice further down in the comments you tried to buy one but they had no stock and refunded your money. Did you manage to find one somewhere else? On the other hand, I think I might have found a PCIe gen 2 Nvidia card that APPEARS to have an x8 (or maybe even x4) connector on it. Have you ever seen/tried one of these? www.asus.com/au/Graphics-Cards/710-2-SL/overview/ I have found these new on ebay for under AU$100. No idea if it will fit or work, but perhaps you may know? Thanks.

[@CrashedDreams534]

im watching the video on a hp proliant dl360 g6 i have x16 pci no problem for me!

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi My Passion 4 stuff Thank You very much! Thank you for watching! :-)

[@noname-qq7pe]

how did you fit a GPU in there? It's 1U?

[@CableWrestler]

@@noname-qq7pe It's 2U

[@MrFmlouder]

do a ebay search for Mac pro PCIe GPU Graphics card power cable - High-End

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi MrFmlouder Thanx,, but the Mac pro uses a mini PCIe Graphics card power cable,,, and i need a cable with male-male normal PCIe Graphics card power connectors. IBM must have them,, but i have not fund them yet. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@KSSilenceAU]

Hi! You know you could have just bought the PCI-E x16 Riser card for this server model and used that in place of the 2x x8 PCI-E Riser board. The you can just plug the card in without cutting anything and plug in the Power and your good to go. Here is the Riser board you need: www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-46M6400-x3660-M2-Riser-Card-/150865559077?hash=item232049be25 Another thing is that 3550's come with x16 risers by default (1 full height and 1 half height slot) but they only take single slot cards, but they still have a 6 pin PCI-E Power connecter, just remove the Raid Card battery try to find it hiding underneath. Source: i Own 2x 3550 M2 and 1x 3650 M2 and have considered options for GPUs, Another option is you could have a look at Club 3d's R7 230 PCI-E X1 GPU which would drop straight into the x8 slot and is slot powered. Hopefully you find this information useful. -Alex

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi +KSSilenceAU Well yes i did find your info useful,, if you check the Ebay link,, it´s gone,,I bought it,, it´s the cheapest one i have seen,,,, :-) though I had to pay $ 35 in the transport and import tax :-/ Thank you for watching! :-)

[@KSSilenceAU]

My PlayHouse Glad i was able to help you, even with the post and import tax, its still cheap as far as server parts go, especially when new. I Shall definitely be sticking around your channel. I just love IBM System X servers :P, got 3 already and looking to add a x3250 M3 to the family to replace the x3650 M2 as the "Always On' Domain controller, mainly for noise and power saving reasons. i Can get my hands on one for $175 AUD delivered with 4GB ram Quad Core Xeon and 2x250GB Sata drives. www.ebay.com.au/itm/IBM-x3250-M3-Server-1-x-Xeon-Quad-Core-x3440-2-53Ghz-4GB-MEM-2-x-250GB-SATA-/231700973052?hash=item35f27445fc Have you any experience with the x3250 M3's ? -Alex.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi +KSSilenceAU No,, i have never had an x3250 to play with,, :-/ we get the x3550,, if we get two U servers. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@KSSilenceAU]

Hi, thats ok, i have a decent idea what I'm in for with a x3250 as i have looked at the detailed specs on it. i prefer 3550's (1U) over 3650's for ESXi and some other roles because i can fit twice as much CPU and memory in the same space, only downsides is 6 HDD's Max vs 12 and only 2 Single slot PCI-E slots. Had a look at your unboxing of the 9 year old "new" APC UPS, that sucks the issues you had, but totally worth replacing the batteries in the pack yourself with ones of the same type, half the cost of getting another genuine pack, and those things are built like a tank and give VERY clean power, i have APC UPS's. One of them is 15 years old with new batteries, Beige color 2nd Gen Smart UPS 700XL, and still gives perfectly clean power to protect the ADSL and Wifi in the study. Just beware that the Serial cable pinout is NOT standard for those units, and using a standard serial cable could cause the unit to shutdown the outlets if you open a serial session of any kind to the unit. -Alex.

[@MyPlayHouse]

HI +KSSilenceAU There is another UPS battery video coming this week :-) Thank you for watching! :-)

[@srohith9]

Cool

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi S Rohit Thank you for watching and sharing! :-)

[@Chris-H00]

That is so cool hacking a server's hardware. Thumbs up on this one.

[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi +Chris H Thank you! and Thank you for watching! :-)

[@tyoyusuf8501]

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[@MyPlayHouse]

Hi tyo yusuf8 Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)

[@brownsmen5811]

buenos servidores pero eres fome para grabar

[@MyPlayHouse]

HI browns men My channel is English, and to make sure as many as possible, can also enjoy the comments, they are also English. Please keep to English. Thank you for watching! :-)

[@naxho9251]

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