The Unbelievable Rule That's Destroying The RV Community

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[@harpintn]

This looks like classism, and elitism to me.

[@Mach11976]

I understand why you can't call out the camp grounds. But I sure can, if you need help let me know. This is ridiculous and very angering.

[@alaskanight940]

Perhaps you could interview the park owners and give a less biased report. There are reasons for these rules. Because of the laws in place in many blue areas there is no way to evict for non-pay situations. Some owners also wish to run a higher end park. I personally prefer 55+, no squatters, junk RV's, dogs and children because I prefer quiet and peace of mind on vacation. I look for parks that fit my desires. You have choices, not rights over business owners. I also like pools that are not full of screaming pissing kids, already raised mine.

[@gopedmama]

The age restriction is why we bought a smaller, new RV. What kills me is when you arrive at a RV Park/resort and they have old, unkept (at least on the outside) RVs parked in their parks that obviously aren't moving anywhere. There are only a handful of parks like this. Then you have those parks that try to hide the over 10 years old RVs but while exploring the park you find them. At least here in California. I don't understand why there are restrictions for short term stays but then you see these old, falling apart RVs. Why are they there?!? We have been doing upgrades to our travel trailer only to ensure it's safe and is better than it was when we bought it. And trust me, those with RVs know all of the manufacturing problems that COVID brought on. These new RVs that were being mass produced are crap. Oh sure it looks beautiful when you go to buy it. Then you start discovering all the problems. I thank God everyday for my husband. He was a Journeyman ASE Certified mechanic. He has caught problems before the RV companies have.

[@mikeschneider5077]

Sorry, ma'am, but it's scorched-earth war with snobbery disguised as "throw-away mentality". How these swine must chortle when they sell their 10yo RV for five-figures when they know the buyer will be restricted.

[@lavetapines3681]

We have no age restrictions for nightly and weekly stays at our park. In fact, if its older than 1970 we give a discount. Vintage RVs receive a discount off the cost of a two-night stay based on the age of their RV. For RVs older than 1970 you pay your year. A 1958 Shasta pays $58 for two nights, a 1961 Airstream pays $61, and so on. The older your rig the less you pay. The regular price for two nights starts at $93. We love having vintage rigs in the park and we want to see more.

[@annpettay2613]

Thank you!!! Wish more campgrounds did this!!

[@patticochran7606]

I love this idea! And as a newer RV owner, I would totally support the elevating of older well-maintained RVs. If I had a campground, I would love to do the same sort of discount to celebrate The people who have lovingly maintained a piece of history. I love old cars and I love old RVs, I hate to buy anything brand new because I think it’s a waste of money. Especially today when RVs are made so poorly that you could practically fall through the floorboards. I think older RVs need to be celebrated, especially when they have been so lovingly taken care of. I think they should go up and value like an old Mustang or Corvette

[@tonyaroche7733]

Are you La Veta in Colorado? That’s definitely on my bucket list. Hoping to book a weekend soon.

[@jackrobker]

I would to know where you are located at so I can come visit some time.

[@RG-xd1gj]

Awesome and thank you, we have a 2004 Chinook 4x4 conversion with over $125000 invested in it. Thank you

[@pjaypender1009]

Here's the thing,. I don't want to be "in community" with the people who make these rules anyway. These are the people who think HOAs are a good idea too.

[@elizabethy2912]

You nailed it!! Karen's are everywhere !! Ugh!

[@amr8457]

I agree!!

[@h82crash]

HOAs, LOL. Fascist micro nations.

[@feefawfern8240]

That's a good and positive way to look at, but sometimes discrimination is a problem, too.

[@scottstrang1583]

HOA's are good for keeping house trailers out of your neighborhood. We have an HOA and it's completely useless.

[@grayrabbit2211]

I don't have a problem with campgrounds having rules like this -- it tells you that you probably don't want to be there. Name & Shame the offending sites.

[@AngelAPAVLOVSCornDog]

KOA stands for Karens Out and About 😂

[@ricks_talented_tongue]

​@@AngelAPAVLOVSCornDogawesome!😅

[@windsongshf]

@@AngelAPAVLOVSCornDog 😆

[@user-hj7ld4ff7p]

Yeah but what if it becomes a trend and you have a nice older rig and you end up stuck at the side of the road. In theory there's always Walmart but they could close their parking lots one day and then what? I'm no expert. Just wondering.

[@Thrunabulax10]

we looked at buying an RV to tour the USA. when we found out a used RV would be denied access at a lot of RV parks, we quickly decided to NOT buy one. these parks are putting themselves out of business!

[@dawnreneegmail]

As one owner said poorly maintained rigs have jeopardized all.

[@doom4067]

If they start losing money they'll change their policies.

[@CuteBirdAwarenessLeague]

That’s unfortunate. I had no idea it was that common. I’ve been looking at older RVs because I’m not a millionaire. It’s sad that even RV camping is now for the wealthy only. I guess they’re trying to keep the “riff raff” (Full time van dwellers, some of whom might be homeless otherwise) out, but it seems like if the RV is in running condition, it’s not a situation where someone is running a lab out of their broken down old camper that’s on blocks. Because it actually functions enough to drive them to the campground!

[@spirit278]

@@CuteBirdAwarenessLeague Buy what you like regardless of age and go camping. There are thousands of places you can go to that have very few restrictions.

[@feralflower8724]

That really is horrible! I hope they realize regardless if you give the name they will end up suffering financially! As they should! 🤨

[@rvingwithaaronandnaomi]

Not willing to name these campgrounds is actually not helping the community. I understand you’re trying to be the “nice guy” but why would you be nice to a company that disrespected you by questioning the quality of your RV? Would you name a Walmart if their security stopped you from going in because you weren’t dressed correctly? Name them.

[@mdtomchick1563]

To not get sued I am guessing

[@rickcockcroft7590]

I don’t think you can be sued for a factual statement.

[@mdtomchick1563]

@rickcockcroft7590 until the last couple years I wouldn't have believe it either, but.... people throw "defamation" around these days like frozen water bottles at a NYC block party....

[@Seansousa757]

​@@mdtomchick1563They have no case if you're telling the truth!

[@leehyde6610]

RV park south of Carson city NV has age restrictions

[@karenmeer2320]

Wow. The older ones were MADE SO MUCH BETTER.

[@kadmow]

- and the oldies, are repairable (no proprietary fittings, no longer available 2 yeas after production model ceased), craftmanlike interiors. Modern rigs, all staples glue and plastic - fillers and lining materials.

[@fredyow5395]

Ours is an aluminum frame, not wood.....

[@chelseacraft4669]

As someone who lived in a 1965 holiday rambler 32’ trailer for two years back in the 1980s… I completely agree with you.

[@shannonobrien9922]

Brought Airstream to my mind!

[@JCcreates927]

Why I always buy older rv's.

[@Lescqe3uj]

Our DP is now 12 years old and when we run into a campground that has an age restrictions, we just tell them “No Thank You” and put the name in our journal and pass it on when we find like minded people so they do not run into that situation.

[@JimMillsCSLC]

The WORST aspect of RV life is having to audition to RV parks to see if you are “good enough” to stay there. F them. I would always seek out the simpler more affordable options without all the judginess.

[@Philobeddoe12]

Try downtown Los Angeles, you’ll love it.

[@jacksunstone8771]

I'm an truck driver. I travel the Country. I see old Bounders, Wonderlodges, and Bus Conversions all the time. And they're in better shape than the new junk rattling down the highway with crooked slideouts, flapping roofs, obvious bent frames, warped siding, and smokin brakes.

[@spyder000069]

Not the ones on the side of the roads in los angeles. Thats is probably what they are trying to avoid.

[@MaryWehmeier]

😘

[@lifequest7453]

@@spyder000069 -- The ones on the side of the roads in Los Angelos is an entirely different problem. There are homeless people living in them and most of them won't run anymore. That is an entirely different story not related to this one.

[@lightwarrior432]

@@lifequest7453 Straight FACTS 😉👍🏽

[@VegasChristophe]

I agree!

[@jangranse5034]

In 2006 we had reservations at an RV Park in San Diego. We pulled up to check in and were told that we couldn't stay there because of restrictions. Our trailer was a T@b which was quite unique at that time. It was a vintage DESIGN but it was only 6 months old. The 10 year rule was tossed at us. I showed the clerk the title. Still denied and she refused to call the manager. There were no vacancies in any of the other campgrounds and we didn't know at the time how to boondock. Finally, I just refused to leave and told the clerk to either call the manage or the police because I was NOT leaving. A couple of hours later, the manager showed up and put us in a campsite. The sting of discrimination was a useful lesson to me in empathy for others to whom that rule actually did apply.

[@jackstitt1395]

Which RV park was that?

[@jangranse5034]

@@jackstitt1395 I don't remember the name of the RV Park. It was in San Diego and a member of Passport America at that time. It was very nice and had some waterfront sites.

[@pjaypender1009]

Because this rule is not really about age, it's about maintaining a certain look of affluence. Don't wanna let the poors in.

[@johnstoll4474]

Horrible. Sorry that happened.

[@conservativechristian8508]

Good for you!

[@btdarterschannel112]

I'm with you. Age-restricting is bad for the economy, the RV community and the environment. We should value older things that are well-built and well-maintained. 👍👍

[@passthetunaporfavor]

Driving yesterday I saw an oldtimer like me driving a 1950's station wagon that was immaculate. Other cars were taking pictures of his ride. Dude was living the dream.

[@fixxerautomotive4917]

Yeah, we value classic cars and shun classic RV's- it's not right

[@1LavenderLace]

Don't post the name of the campground to shame them - post it so we don't bother attempting to book with them. I love my 2004 Itasca Suncruiser 38R! Won't be talked out of it!

[@philhacker2405]

They are forcing themselves a Boycott of these parks.

[@bb89scbb31]

If you look at the last video of this subject in the comment section I mentioned said campground. Many of the talking points I addressed when I put them on blast. Nobody should have to lie to spend premium dollars to stay in your resort. Ill put my 2004 American Eagle against anything in their campground.

[@borandell9915]

Well said. My thoughts exactly.

[@frankpeck1448]

Great Idea! Not only that, but the mere presence of Peer Pressure, could very well have a Positive Effect on the RV Industry! Let's DO IT!

[@scottmichaels6854]

No, post the name so those of us who don't have older RVs can actually go to parks that DON'T look like downtown Los Angeles with all their junk RVs. Please boycott all these parks so it frees up space for those of us who are not whiny little babies and want to go to nice parks.

[@ronaldohagenow1467]

I tried semi retirement in 2015 w a trip to Florida for the winter, I made reservations for Ocala Fl, paid my first 2 months, upon arrival the very next morning, management showed up w a 12 page contract that I was expected to sign right then and there, without having my coffee, i explained I do no transactions without coffee, breakfast and coffee. The ‘ manager ‘ was indignant, came back 7 mins later and demanded I sign or leave immediately. Without a refund, I called my bank, cancelled the transaction. I went to another campground and was told they don’t accept toyhaulers, but they recommended a campground that did.Upon my 7 months in Florida over that winter I checked out numerous campgrounds as I have done the past. 45 years. About 7% at the time had age restrictions for RVs as well as the vehicle that towed them, Never went back to Florida, I’m a gypsy traveler instead. My home base is Vermont. I should mention I’m 70, I’ve camped for 50 years, I’ve owned 27 RVs to date.

[@gaystone5897]

In Texas, Port Aransas, to be exact, there is an RV resort, that not only restricts age, but also length. Your RV must be at least 24 feet, as well as less than 10 years old…

[@curtbilyeu8701]

dam, you are a camping badass. if i owned a camping park you would get the royal treatment.

[@will7its]

Yeah, sorry but you are not camping.....lol

[@ronaldohagenow1467]

@@curtbilyeu8701 Thanks for that. My first ‘camper’ if you would call it that, was a Nimrod, a sorta pop up without cables, it was simplistic, ice box, 2 small beds. It was awesome. I lost my Weekend traveler, (a 32’ single slide) amongst other things, July 10, 2023,here in central Vermont due to the flood.

[@TheOpinionatedGranny]

Oh my goodness…I would LOVE to talk to you about RVing in Vermont! My son just moved from TX to Burlington, VT to get his Ph.D. in neurological biology. If you see this, please PM me! I just retired and bought my RV last year. 😊

[@loriejohnson8706]

We have been traveling the country for 35 years and have never once been asked the age of our camper. Maybe because we avoid the fancy resorty types.

[@Jon-ze4vv]

If you were really interested in helping RVs with older RVs, what you would do is do a video on the campgrounds that refuse RVs over 10 years old!!

[@uprailman]

Yes, have all RVers boycott those campgrounds as some time in the future ones new RV will be 15.

[@eaunan]

Perhaps the "you" in your suggestion about "...what you would do..." ought to be the "you" in your mirror. There's nothing stopping you.

[@AMullen-ij3io]

We the RVers must hold these campgrounds accountable. We can't do that without knowing the campgrounds names!

[@davidandbilliejo4203]

Or you just don't stay at campgrounds with such policies. They are in it to make money. If they aren't making money, they will change their rules.

[@kathytincler2446]

@@davidandbilliejo4203 Like she said you need names to hold these ppl accountable. Of course you won't stay at that campground. We need to make sure this doesn't become the norm.

[@grannysweet]

Please someone start a age restriction list by State. Have a email we can send to names/location to.

[@dallbariscak7818]

AGREE! We own a newer RV and I still wouldn't support this park or any that have age restrictions.

[@doom4067]

It's not a question of accountability. People simply deserve to know the policies before they show up. If I know a business isn't going to sell a service to me, I'm not going to bother showing up. It's also not malicious to advertise their own policies for them, but that requires naming them.

[@JoeHellerOfficial]

I'd wager the RV Manufacturing Association has a [secret] deal with select RV Resorts forcing as you said, the decrease in value (trade in) for older RVs forcing RV owners to buy newer RVs. This practice is not unheard of in other industries. The challenge is proving it.

[@kidynamite58]

Believable, let's take it a step further, how many of these RV resorts in question are actually owned by one RV manufacture or another?

[@JoeHellerOfficial]

@@kidynamite58 and/or have in addition to owning a % in the specific rv resort they may own a % in the holding company that owns multiple rv resorts to keep this requirement at the level of the parent company to keep the employees of the resort in the dark

[@stephenscorzo]

It makes you wonder if we can contact a state legislator to create some kind of set of laws to prevent this practice, as it can be argued like the video says, cause wastefulness, and discriminate between RV owners arbitrarily. Being a full time RV owner, I'm recognizing that we don't have as many protections as someone who lives in a brick and mortar apartment.

[@gardenhawk]

My thoughts exactly!!!

[@paulmckenna5224]

@@stephenscorzo I'm sure the RV companies have lobbyists who keep state and federal congressmen and representatives in their pockets. Nobody represents the little guy anymore.

[@WSallai]

I first encountered this 7-years ago in Pennsylvania. I was able to stay the winter, but was asked to leave in the spring. I was told no long-term spots were available for RVs older than 10-years old. I was told that it was for insurance reasons. I have a 1996 45-foot Newell Coach that is now worth about $85k, but when new it was $900k, that is a diesel pusher with no gas. It is an entirely electric coach except that it does have a heater that can use diesel if not plugged in. My old coach was worth more than half of the RVs at the park I was staying at. I asked if I could store it there and I was refused. I carry upper limits comprehensive & collision coverage and a $1M umbrella policy, and that did not matter. The place I was staying at is Oak Grove Park & Sales in Hatfield, PA. Another group that is restricted from entering RV Parks are the folks that have skoolies, school buses that are converted into RVs. The big problem with this restriction is that why would anyone buy one if the useful life is only 10-years? There would be no resale/trade-in value and if you bought one gently used (under 5-years old), you would a have limited time of use. The RV Manufacturers should be fighting this tooth and nail and parks that have this policy should be boycotted until they change their policy.

[@wacio]

This rule is great. Allows rest of us to buy older RVs much cheaper and helps me finding RV campground where there is lower chance to encounter snobby super rich RVers that I try to avoid.

[@kdooms]

Should totally mention the names of the camp grounds. They are never going to change until the weight of the community begins crushing them. You guys have a very large following, and there are other KZbinrs out there that would join in I am sure. Insurance is a cop out if they even try to use it as a reason. You can insure a manufactured home in tornado alley, they can afford to have insurance for your very well kept older RV. They build all of that stuff into the cost of a stay. What a world we live in these days.

[@Royce12607]

Major agreement here. Until we start naming names, the problem will only get worse.

[@GratefulGlamper]

Our goal with this video was not necessarily to trash these two campgrounds (they own two - one is a 55plus in The Villages and one is in Tampa) but rather to bring awareness to the absurd policies these campgrounds (and many others) are enforcing. Thanks for watching

[@kdooms]

@@GratefulGlamper I don't believe that stating who they are is trashing them. You are simply providing a service to the rest of the community by giving them knowledge. Ultimately it's up to you guys, but to me stating facts is no different than if you were to go there and stay, and then do an unbiased review, or for that matter to buy a product and offer a review (which you do regularly and many of us have benefited from) that may contain facts about the product that do not shine a bright light on it. Just my two cents. Love your content and nothing but respect for you guys here.

[@msmichelej]

This is like helping without helping! Falls under “thanks for nothing” category!!!! This is like that backhanded compliment That good intention that the road to heck is built out of Treating the symptom when a cure is available 🤷🏽‍♀️IJS!

[@delstanley1349]

Liz Armstrong would have named names.

[@angelaklinger2951]

We have been full timing for 18 years. We retired our fifth wheel and it is on a lot in Casa Grande Arizona. We now travel in a big arctic fox truck camper. Our truck is a 5500 Dodge and we had a special utility bed built and then we purchased our truck camper. Total cost was $118,000. We were turned away from four different RV parks over the years because we had a “truck camper“. Yet there were permanent residents at the campground living in old RVs that did not look roadworthy. Another campground turned us down because we had a cat. They allowed dogs but didn’t allow cats. We even told him we don’t allow our cat outside that he would stay in the RV. They never gave us a reason.

[@Starfish2145]

That’s absolutely ridiculous.

[@gretaholmes783]

That is no more offensive been trying to sneak in a fish in a dish! How crazy are these people?

[@nodak81]

Your own condescention towards "old RVs that did not look roadworthy" doesn't exactly inspire any sympathy for you...

[@arsenioamador2370]

​@@nodak81 Is TROLL your middle name?

[@allowedtotalk8910]

I didn't know this was happening. My hubby and I agreed to sell our two-year-old camper because of the RV parks that won't allow "big" dogs. They turn down our female German Shepherd more than I care to think about. We give up. If you live near Millbrook Alabama our camper is for sale at Clarks RV Center for $13,995. Your camper and the other older year camper are immaculate. Our dog is no more harmful than a husky or chow but the parks say no German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Dobermans, Mastiffs, Great Danes and Pitt Bulls. People make dogs dangerous. Our girl is mild-mannered but we quit.

[@catherineromero1862]

Yep. I worked for one of those corporate owned places. It’s ridiculous. I live in a nicer park that now advertises itself as an rv resort. We have all manner of sizes of dogs here, but I’m just waiting for the day they lay that one out or restricting cats too. My neighbor around the corner has a Great Dane. This breed are couch potatoes yet would be denied at some parks so that the owners of yappy little biting small dogs can feel safe 🙄

[@TRPGpilot]

I avoid places that allow animals. If I wanted to mingle with animals I would go sleep at a farm . . .

[@allowedtotalk8910]

@@TRPGpilot - Humans are sometimes the worst problem in an RV Park. The shower room looked like a farm animal was there. Dogs and cats are people's pets. Just be honest and say you don't like having a pet.

[@TRPGpilot]

@@allowedtotalk8910 I had all manner of pets for most of my life. However my pets are at the end of the day . . . animals, not human beings. I dont want to share my space with your animals and that's OK. Most places cater to humans only and quite a few cater to humans and animals and you are free to patonise those establishments . . .

[@coffeechocolate7364]

Go to Four Paws Campground Resort in Rutherfordton, NC it was built for the dogs and their over 18 owners. Our favorite place

[@mikeholtorf3456]

The park that I have a permanent spot in allows everything from car camping to million dollar buses. Also has a primitive tent camping area. It also has mobile homes and tiny houses for those of us with long term leases.

[@DonMcConaughy]

One of the biggest things I don't like about those policies is, say you are comfortably retired, living the dream in a new unit that isn't affected bt that policy, but your kids or friends who have units that are affected. So, you won;t be able to camp with family and friends due to that discrimination!

[@GratefulGlamper]

Very true - thanks for the comment and for watching

[@noodgenoodgerson2660]

Good - no Great - Point!

[@mikemotorbike4283]

Yeah I thought the point of family camping was to pile out of the RV into lawn chairs around a campfire roasting hotdogs, playing guitar and telling stories while the kids ran around and went to bed late. I guess this is sheer horror to the 1% now, to which everyone is pandering. And that's the relevant issue: the stratification of wealth at the top. You either worked for your money or earned it passively through investments; making for unrelateable ghost stories. Wealth simply strums a different folk tune.

[@DonMcConaughy]

@@mikemotorbike4283 100 %

[@RollingOn-fk6ye]

We should press the campground routing apps (RV Life, All Stays, Campendium, etc...) to make this a very visible category on each website listing. Including letting people know that there are no age restrictions, as opposed to just omitting the rating. I have a 2020 (not $1.5m) but would be happy bypassing any restrictive campgrounds. Plus that is important information for people with the older trailers to know. I never pay attention but cannot recall noting any campgrounds with age restrictions in RV Life.

[@GratefulGlamper]

That is a VERY good suggestion

[@willieiso118]

Unfortunately with how popular RVing has become, there are others who will game this system to their advantage and gladly stay in a park with all newer than 10 year coaches, yuppy campers.... It's a shame, but those people are out there....

[@miketomas8564]

Oh I LOVE this Idea!!

[@davidpearson2581]

Great idea! If we stay at a campground and notice they have age restrictions in their rules, we should leave a review mentioning these restrictions and give them an average rating.

[@Milesco]

​@@davidpearson2581 Or _below_ average.

[@mrz1949]

Completely agree many older RVs were made to last versus the newer ones that start falling apart as soon as you leave the dealership

[@larryrobertson4099]

Here's a thought about the RV community you didn't mention in your video, and thank you for this video. Many, many people rent RV's, motorhomes as well as trailers to see if pulling one is for them. I know this because I used to sell used RVs. At the time, fifteen years ago, I didn't know about age discrimination in RV parks. I would bet that fact will essentially kill the used RV business. And maybe it already has. We virtually reconditioned every unit we sold, consigned or not. In my lifetime, and I'm 77, I've owned or rented every type of RV there is. And stayed in RV parks around the country some of the time and in mother nature's parks most of the time.

[@OccidentalonPurpose]

RV age restrictions even more frustrating now considering new RVs are plagued with major quality issues. A well-maintained, 15-year-old coach is likely to be better than something built since about 2019. Pressuring people to unload rigs that are in great shape and paid for in order to use something with worse build quality they have to pay tons of money for seems counterproductive. And big time thumbs up on the environmental impact of pressuring people to buy huge, new RVs when they already have one that's perfectly fine.

[@Craig2142]

I 100% agree. We had a very well maintained 08 and traded up only to get a 22 with more problems than the 08. The kicker was we only traded because we were getting rejected from lower 48 parks for age restrictions. Otherwise I miss the 08 and liked it better.

[@daisygirl5368]

Our RV inspector also works in the service department at one of our local RV dealership. He told us don’t buy anything post Covid /2020. He said everything was mass produced to keep up with the demand. He said it’s all junk. He thinks this will put some of the manufacturers out of business. Nobody will be buying them once the public starts researching RV and TT. They will be buying used. Making for older models forcing the age discrimination obsolete. 🤞

[@mikecagle984]

Which makes me wonder - are these rv park in cahoots with the rv manufacturers?? Just asking...

[@marybourgeois5235]

​@@mikecagle984Ooooooooo GREAT POINT!!!!!! TOUCHE

[@mikemotorbike4283]

@@mikecagle984 it wouldn't be the first time RV makers took over their industry, predatorily. It happened in the 70s when one major bought the rest. It's possible they are subsidizing losses, if any, for instituting age restrictions. Perhaps it works also as advertising within a defined market segment- to see the new bling all around may encourage Jonesing or competitive upbuying.

[@SheltiesRule49]

I am 74 years old and traveling solo. I bought a travel trailer within my budget means this past January. Was wanting to camp and bring my K9 companion with me. Well, my travel trailer is a vintage 1962 model, it is in very good condition with a decent enough paint job. Not the colors I would have chosen, but nor is it a psychedelic paint job either. In doing research while doing a few minor interior modifications, I did find out to inquire about the 10 year rule. In doing so - before I could ever even hit the road with my travel trailer - I was given two rejections due to the age of the travel trailer (not me lol). My dog is acceptable!! The campgrounds were in Houston and Dallas Texas. I had family & friends there. I wanted to stay for four - five days and visit. That’s it and the rates weren’t cheep either. One place wanted a picture, and I complied. The other just repeated that they had a 10year rule. This has deterred me from going camping a little, and I am very disappointed. I am now having to limit my stays to state parks, burea of land management land, etc. I was hoping for a clean & safe place to stay for a few days at a time, and travel a bit. I will do more research and inquiries as to where me, my k9, and 1962 Tepee travel trailer will be welcomed.

[@karincorbin2355]

Stay in State Parks. They do not have age restrictions.

[@MuskratOutdoors]

Personally, I don't like snobs and try to avoid them. I can't understand why anyone would want to be around other folks anyway. That's not camping, it's parking in a glorified parking lot surrounded by snooty "people". NO THANKS!

[@gweger6425]

​@@MuskratOutdoorsamen to that! Why the hell would anyone want to stay there anyway.

[@Nurturing2]

Unacceptable. I am so sorry!!! Sadly, there are a great deal of unconscious souls out there!!! Sending love & light, dear friend!!! 🙏😇💫

[@rinkrude1]

Just HOA's full of Karens...who wants to be around that

[@BuzzyBea]

Did you know that there are states that have counties where it is a county ordinance deciding the age of RV's allowed in RV Parks in that county. To keep their business license, they have to comply with the ordinance and not allow RV's over that age stated in the ordinance. I heard of this in the early 1990's. It's not a new thing. If county ordinances can do this, I have also wondered about the park insurance coverage. There may be terms in their insurance not allowing older RV's in the parks. Also, I know that some parks do not allow larger dogs because of insurance. If their insurance says no dogs over a certain weight, then the park has to comply. If their insurance says they can accept larger dogs, then there is usually breed restrictions on those larger dogs. These park owners can't go against their county laws, or against their insurance terms.

[@jameswarner7435]

Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing the info. I knew these kinds of restrictions are often placed by insurance companies, but I was unaware of county ordinances being a factor. Now I'm curious if my own county has a rule like this on the books

[@meltonsappliance]

Well for me having a five-year-old camper there is a simple solution for this problem. If an RV park ask me how old my camper is, I tell them how old it is and then I refused to stay at their campground because they asked me that simple question. If we would do this more often and refuse to stay at their campground because of the age. Eventually they will change their tune because they will run out of people that will want to stay there. Usually at these campgrounds I always see asking this question there is a golf course tied to it.

[@glennwatkins8496]

Years ago we purchased a 1969 Kencraft travel trailer and spent 2 years redoing the entire plumbing, wiring, exterior, interior, etc. when we were done it was a thing of beauty. All original solid ash paneling, a four burner stove and full size oven, 10 gallon water heater with an expansion tank so the pump wouldn't cycle on and off. the list went on and on. I even gutted the bathroom due to water damage and completely rebuilt it using the original pink tube/shower and chrome finish trim. So sad that some parks are to "high class" to think that anything with age is worthless. Our Kencraft was built like a tank and rode so smooth. They don't build them like that anymore.

[@doccadaver]

I have a 5th wheel dutchman that was built in 84. We take it out for extended weekends. It's old, it looks old and it need a lot of restoring. but it travels down the road good and everything works well, albeit it needs a lot of updates and its getting that. Me and the wife take our kids out for extended weekends and have a wonder full time. What it doesn't have is tv's, wifi, or a working radio. And the stove has never been used. What it does have is a few board games, a deck of cards for rainy days, a bike rack, and the essential's to cook over the pit. (don't through your trash in the pit please)... and last but not least relaxing lawn chairs. The best thing it has is smiling faces and wonderful memory's! And even if I only paid 4k for it, the times we have in it are priceless. I'll probably never sell it and if I get turned down from a camp ground because it squeaked once or its 40 yrs old being pulled by a brand new F350 Then I wont be giving my well earned money to stay there. And I will go down the road to the state grounds!!!

[@Candanciee]

The problem, most state campgrounds are booked full during the summer months unless you get a reservation well in advance, midweek you can sometimes get a spot but weekends are impossible.

[@doccadaver]

@@Candanciee so true we run into this problem every time

[@robertsmida9601]

@@Candanciee And who's fault is that that you didn't plan????

[@Candanciee]

@robertsmida9601 you would have to plan months if not a year in advance to get into campgrounds around us on a weekend. The days of, hey let's go camping and fishing this weekend are gone.

[@carolwhelan6901]

I’m so glad I came across this video! My boyfriend and I are moving from Texas to Arkansas and are going to build an RV park. We will have to start small and then build it bigger as we can. We just bought a BEAUTIFUL 1998 Vogue V DP for $31k and brand new, it was $425k! It’s in pristine condition! We are NOT going to put an age restriction on the RVs that visit our park. The only thing I would ask is for the guests to keep their area clean and leave it the way they found it. Just be respectful. I think that’s fair.

[@Kennethvitatoe-jc5pv]

I had a 20 yd old RV ,but one time I went through this turned out my RV looked better than a. Lot of RV,s camping around me at the time ,lol ,they could not believe how old my unit was !

[@Bruce.94538]

The age limit also discourages people from wanting to RV for the first time since they would probably by used, as I know it will for me. Some RV parks should promote that they take older RVs as a marketing ploy.

[@worthgreene334]

I think this is one of the best videos you have produced. You are dead on correct. Denying campers simply based on RV age should be illegal!

[@andreeahoudini5908]

It’s the homeless people parked on the sides of the road with beat up rvs

[@alicial6072]

@@andreeahoudini5908 are you saying homeless people are getting denied? because rv resorts are very expensive and most likely out of their price range, its out of mine as i'm cheap and refuse to pay for amenities that i'm not going to use, I like state parks.

[@andiharp9275]

​@andreeahoudini5908 most "homeless" people aren't blessed enough to have so much as a tent to pitch, no pot to piss in, nor window to throw it out. So, those whom are fortunate to have an RV, regardless of condition, are a step ahead. On either front, they should not be discriminated, punished, or looked down upon as lesser humans - as your comment comes crossed. 😢 Not all "homeless" people are so of their own choosing. 🙄 😒 😑 Nor are many able, let alone willing, to go into hock till their great grandchildren are grown to live beyond their means in order to keep up with the Joneses. Before countering with maintenance, blah, blah, blah, that costs money, physical ability, n a generally clear head - which are impacted purely by virtue of being "homeless." Suffice it to say, mental health is the culprit to many a woes when homeless, especially when coupled with the stigmas of homelessness. It's sad to constantly hear such negative references regarding homeless people. It sounds like being homeless is criminal. Well, the only criminal component of homelessness I see is that it exists in a country that is so rich n has seemingly more vacant properties than homeless people to occupy them. I understand that some homeless people are so of their own choosing, or due to poor choices in life. They bare the brunt of paying the piper... That's not the case for the majority...😢 If they are "parked on the side of the road in beat up rvs," I guarantee you it's not their first choice. A beat up rv is better than a doorway, park bench, or bush. This video isn't about homeless or poor folks with substandard rvs, though. If folks of reasonable means n nice, well maintained rvs are restricted, due to the age, can you not imagine why there are those "beat up rvs" on the side of the road? "You don't know what it's like till you're there." "Empathy goes a long way." ✌️

[@andiharp9275]

​@@alicial6072sadly, many state parks are quite discriminatory towards homeless people - on so many levels. 😢 😔 Then, there's the issue that even when the homeless can manage to pay to stay, most do so at the expense of having enough to afford maintenance on their rvs, if they are lucky enough to have one. ✌️

[@mcclungfarm7965]

So the owner of a private campground shouldn't be aloud to have a their own rules??? Come on. If you disagree with a rv resort rules then don't go there. However, saying it should be illegal is flat out crazy talk.

[@toddmiller6104]

I solved the problem. I simply give a mfg date that is within their "acceptable range". Issue solved! Several have commented "What a beautiful rig you have. That must have cost a fortune at today's prices!". I simply smile, say Thank You, and drive on to my assigned site.

[@jameswarner7435]

I like how you think, it is smart and efficient.

[@godschild6694]

@@jameswarner7435 But it is a lie.

[@jeanholt6278]

Absolutely!

[@nondisclosureable]

I lived in a full time community for awhile until I was forced out by a new RV age requirement. The Park changed hands, (same family older couple running it just retired and passed it to the kids) and in order for the park to get a new insurance policy in the 'new owners' names they were required to evict anyone with a rig older than 25 years. The kids running the place were very transparent that they hated this but because they legally had to have insurance to remain open at all, they had no choice. Unfortunatly that meant I was unable to find anywhere in the region I lived in that would permit a long stay with hookups and I lost my home and had to go back to renting.

[@debraball2641]

Interesting and not surprising that the insurance companies are behind this. I belong to a FB group for people who love historic homes (anything before WWII). They also find obtaining insurance very difficult.

[@ThePewterPalace]

The person who commented and who's family has owned an RV park for generations is spot on about the squatter issue. Perhaps what truly needs to happen is campground owners (and associations) in these particular states where the laws work against the Cg owners from getting rid of squatters need to lobby for changing the laws or creating one's excluding campgeounds. Campground sites are more akin to the renting of a hotel room than an apartment or house. A campgeound owner should be able to call a tow truck and tow out a squatter within a much shorter time if the camper fails to pay accordingly or has major system failure that could cause health and safety issues for all involved. This would get to the root of the real issue and fear of getting saddled with squatters or unsafe rigs. ANOTHER THOUGHT TOO...if asked the agent of your rig, turn around and ask the campground what year was their last electrical upgrade? Age of their bath houses and septic systems? Is their pool and hot tub operational and open? Hmmmmm??? Cheeky yes but fair that we expect modern up to date services for our site fees.

[@1944rickc]

ADA COMPLIANT

[@DebbieReece-lg4iz]

Well said!

[@sissinoklahoma2057]

Nice clap-back and I'm saving this in my head if it ever comes up! I can never think these things up on my own. Southern girl and my default is to Thank Someone even if they're rude to me. 🙄

[@jh-mp8so]

You sound like a ten year old child.

[@stephenscorzo]

I agree, I think that you should have access to their systems too. I can't imagine a nice 2025 model RV going into some RV Resort that has inadequate power that can overload their electrical, or powerful dirty water, all which I've encountered from some nice parks. I think things should work both ways. I ultimately think that pricing out RVers is a big mistake and will ultimately fail as a business plan because no one wants RVing to be like Gulfing. That and in modern times living in an RV is a viable survival option than homeownership for many young people or retirees (two common demographics).

[@craignickum6551]

The only way to get change is to put pressure on them. Release the name.

[@WireEd1966]

Yes. Tell us where not to stay. I’ll vote with my wallet.

[@Milesco]

​@@WireEd1966 Agree! 👍

[@lightwarrior432]

Yes please!

[@atimko123]

Sounds like it's many more than 1 place w that rule

[@Milesco]

@@atimko123 Yes, but the other places are reasonable and flexible and will allow an older RV if it's in good condition.

[@astererratum6546]

I live in an RV park (mobile home) and i LOVE seeing older RVs. Its always such a joy to find them. Id be so sad staying in a park with new only RVs.

[@NorthlandSLC]

Seeing the diversity of campers and people is the best part of RV’ing. As a kid in the 70’s my parents turned an old school bus into a home and we toured the southern US like Gypsies for two years. It was an adventure I never forgot. Now I love to see it when all kinds of people from tenters to wealthy coaches and interesting diy rigs like we had all interacting. Camping should never be hoa suburbia. People leave those to go camping. It would be interesting to build a list of these discriminating places and build a competing inclusive place in the same area with better marketing.

[@jakestyles002]

I spoke to someone that owns and operates an RV Park, she said that the reason there is an "age restriction" on RV's is not because it is old or ugly, it is because that often people abandon their RV's and Campers at campgrounds if the amount of renewal is more expensive than the value of the camper. Though I was surprised that someone would abandon their campers, it made sense that it could be a problem. I have an '87 Gulfstream Sunsport that has been renovated, so mine is pretty nice and is very solid and I would never leave it. Too much "blood, sweat and tears" as well as resources in this Rig to leave it behind.

[@noodgenoodgerson2660]

I apologize, no offense meant, but I find that hard to believe - that a person would make a reservation just in order to abandon the trailer. Seems like a lot of expense and trouble to go through, when that sort of unethical behavior would be achieved for even less by just driving out into the sticks and abandoning it there. (Which we have seen near our home, btw...)

[@jakestyles002]

@@noodgenoodgerson2660 I hear you, me too... though I guess for some people, a camper or motor home is somewhat disposable.

[@petewebber8671]

My parents had a campground where they ended up crushing 2 campers that were left behind. I would ask for pics and then decide. Private campgrounds are required to rent a site.

[@kitefan1]

@@noodgenoodgerson2660 In the more populated parts of the Northeast there aren't many sticks left where someone wouldn't notice an abandoned vehicle. The land owner has to deal with getting rid of it. More complicated if it has a title. If you junk your old vehicle it usually costs.

[@amatureprofessional]

This makes no sense…they could just contact a tow company to haul it away if that happened.

[@teressarenslow5992]

First of all, I love the shirt you're wearing!! Our RV is less than 5 years old and if some campground asks us for the age of our camper we go elsewhere. Somebody needs to build a campground for nostalgic RVs or something.... You can't get in if your camper is newer than 5 years old? I absolutely love well kept nostalgic RVs! .... Those who own them should be able to show them off!

[@EcoMouseChannel]

That place already exists... it's called Quartzite Arizona 🤣

[@jessicakirsh]

Thank you for making this video! It’s funny because my RV travel trailer was made in 2021, but looks MUCH OLDER than that based on having parked it in South Texas for three years - enduring the salty air as well as the hostile conditions of that region.

[@LewisNClarkAdventures]

We bought a well-loved, 20 year old toy hauler a year ago and mostly boondock in the desert or forest within a few hours of our home. I had no idea this was a thing. It seemed like this may not affect us but, every few nights, we like to spend a night with hook ups, dump, refill, take a good long shower and head back out. It never occurred to me there would be camper age restrictions. I’m glad I found your video so I can look out for that. Thank you!

[@mikebrant192]

100% agree. We have a 2021 model MH, and if this question is asked, we tell them, then tell them that we will take our business elsewhere. it's my money, and I don't intend to use MY money to be around snobs.

[@Patricia_Stewart337]

❤️🙏

[@miketomas8564]

Oh, I do more than that! I leave a review: "Added to my "RV - Age Discrimination List" . That's all you ever need to say..

[@cliffclark6441]

This is common, has been sense the 80s and 90s, most time it is not the rv parks fault, it is county or city ordnance. Chatt tn and the county its in hamiltion has the 15 year rule, you got to park in another county if over 15 year old. 15 year old is kind of new rules in the 80s most places where 10year old. Around 2000 lots of places extended the 10 year old rule to 15 year old. Before buying a RV know the age rules, 10 year or older rv has little value, if to be used for camping. Its the law in plenty of places.

[@scottmichaels6854]

Good. It frees up a spot for the rest of us. I hope you all boycott these parks because the overcrowding is ridiculous.

[@mikebrant192]

Here's the thing: these str the CGs that are the most crowded , rule-ridden, and generally unfriendly anyway. People who go to these locations are often competitive and insular.

[@Tsiri09]

Refusing RV's also affects the local economies. Fewer RV'ers means less money for the towns the parks and resorts are in. Business people need to think about that too.

[@timdunn2257]

They care about themselves, and nothing else. They would turn away Mary, mother of Jesus, if she were pregnant since "she's unsightly."

[@rlreynolds1642]

I agree once we stop using these companies they will be forced to rethink their rule of age, how dare you refuse because I don’t want to be in debt… I will not go to these places even though mine is an 2018, because we have to stick together

[@scottmichaels6854]

There are plenty of RVs. Nobody's business is being hurt. You guys are delusional to think that denying a few old RVs makes a bit of difference to a communities economy. The fact is, most people with older RVs are also much more frugal and spend less money in those communities.

[@Comm0ut]

Individual RVs are not that valuable. Businesspeople who survive consider everything as they must.

[@stephenscorzo]

RV Parks can be quite cruel. Some of them can kick you out because your door is too loud, something you can't fix easily or prove for that matter is you. I think we need legal representation and laws to protect RV owners from despicable RV Parks.

[@blancolirio]

Thanks for exposing this!

[@wolfwalker5924]

Thank you for this info. When I do decide to take our 1966 Caravel Airstream on the road, we go to a membership campground, I will make sure we avoid the age discriminating campgrounds. They're totally beneath our inclusionary mindset, and we aren't woke.

[@AngelfromGenX]

I'll try to be short, but this will help you understand: Our park has no age restriction.....buuuuttt we've seriously thought about it. We are the ones who get sued by all the other campers (who turn into instant Karen's) when things go wrong. It's on our property, naturally they blame us. Today is only June 7th but we've already had one electrical fire and two dark tank eruptions since Memorial Weekend. The campers beside those people, who were put at risk, were not mad at the older RV owners, they were mad at us for letting them in the park. Besides that hassle here's the real issue: Older models are more likely to have changed hands multiple times to a current owner who is unaware of repairs made by a DIYer, and not up to standard. This especially applies to electrical repairs not made by professionals that result in RV fires that risk everyone near the fire, and ultimately the whole park. Water leaks, particularly dark water issues are serious problems. Our park sits on a lake. We can't install sewage within 1000 ft of the lake, so the spaces with water hookup (more than 1000 ft from the lakefront) are booked up first, even though they cost more. The RV spaces nearest the lake (apart from tent campers) in older RVs are where the serious problems usually happen. They can be well maintained but the older they are, can still be on the verge of a serious problem that hasn't happened yet. Dark water requires a hazmat team (we usually have to pay for it because campers are not insured for our property damage or expenses caused) and it also shuts down the surrounding spaces that might be affected, costing us even more. They are shut down until an environmental professional approves reopening. This is ungodly expensive. Electrical fires erupt even when there's no one inside the RV. There is no time to get a fire department to one of these. Other campers and RVs are only 20 ft apart at best. We've also had them get stuck in our park for weeks, unable to pay for a tow out. This isn't a problem as long as they're paying the space rent.... until we can't honor reservations for the space because they're stuck in it. We've also had people abandon a broken down RV in our park, which costs us to get it removed and we have no way to recover all those costs. Just one or two of these kind of disasters are enough to kill profit for an entire year. There's no way to inspect each and every RV for potential breakdowns. The best parks can do to minimize the possibility of a bad experience for everyone in the park is to use an age restriction on the RVs.

[@DannaShaffer]

The problem is that these newer campers are actually falling apart before they even come close to that age restriction. I have a camper that is older than 15 years and is in pristine condition. We take very good care of it and keep up maintenance, but it’s also very well made. My in-laws camper is almost unusable at less than 10 years old. And that’s with them working on it and getting maintenance done every year. It had issues from the very first year when it was brand new. They don’t make newer campers well at all. They’re cheaply made and deteriorating at breakneck speed no matter how well the owner takes care of them. Unfortunately, any hospitality business has the same huge issues and risks now days financially. It’s a hard business because of that. The age restriction isn’t working to fix the problem, though, you’re just making better customers go somewhere else. I think there should be some sort of program for people to have their campers inspected yearly just like cars are required to have done. That way you know if they’re inspected and passed that the campers are in good operating condition. That doesn’t mean that things won’t go wrong, because that’s just life, but it would mean safer rigs on the roads and in campgrounds. It really bothers me that my camper isn’t accepted in all campgrounds, yet ones like my in-laws are fine because they’re newer. We’re even thinking about getting a vintage camper that’s been completely restored and updated, but it sounds like we’ll have the same issue or even a harder time even though a lot of these antique beauties are doing so much better than new campers, too.

[@AngelfromGenX]

@@DannaShaffer 💯 true, and that's why we don't use an age restriction. I'm just explaining why you have these parks that make a difference. They're probably newer parks, (less than 20yo) may only open seasonally, and in the business for the most profit. They just want a steady cash business with minimal problems like everyone else, but they'll learn. RVing became a real mainstream activity about 25 years ago and the new campers made in that rush to get in on the sales are revealing themselves.

[@richshaffer985]

Although one RV Park asked the age of our trailer, they never verified it during check-in. So our trailer will always be only 8 years old when making reservations. 😅

[@JackWorkz]

Nice

[@SandySez]

lol, that's exactly what crossed my mind while I was watching this. Even though it'll never apply to me, I have a 17' 1995 Roadtrek ... which I love. They can keep their snooty resorts and I'll keep my $$! Their loss. I'm a quiet, clean, respectful, low-maintenance camper lady.

[@ksmith8793]

Why should you have to lie to get a place to stay?

[@yeabuddy6070]

Yep. What that don't know can't hurt them.

[@gunnysloan4103]

That's basically what I did with my Mini. When I made a reservation the motorhome was always nine years old.

[@reh0119]

First, if the location identifies itself has a “resort”, I would never even consider going there, because I know I will not fit in. I despise the idea of anything exclusive. My wife and I are wealthy but we would never be comfortable around the part of humanity that is not happy if they can’t flaunt themselves, and show off. You’ve encountered the type of people that measure self worth by material things, not what is in the hearts and minds of anyone else.

[@JOE52525]

That has happened to us!!! I agree this is so exclusive and it hurts our sweet RV community!!!! Thank you for sharing!!!

[@alangeddes268]

I am 76, my camper is 52. My little 13 foot Scotty is in better shape than when it was built. Many upgrades to better and safer equipment. I am on the road an average six days a month; one time recently a 31 day winter trip. My camper is in the most beautiful condition and the Vintage appeal is outstanding. I have been using and restoring these older campers for over 30 years and enjoy them greatly. Total investment on this one about $4000 for four plus years of use. Show me one of these modern vehicles that will still be around at that age. Only ever had one age problem but that went away after they really looked at it. If it passes all DOT requirements then that should be the only requirement. The problem is the RV snobs that don't feel they should have to be parked next to an older one. Campers use to be friendly, helpful and clean. I can't drive any more and am glad my time is over because the future for us looks sad. I wish you all smooth roads, great weather and a cozy camp fire. Go say Hi to the people on both sides of you.

[@jasoncarpp7742]

I so agree. Safety and maintenance should be a concern, *not* the age of the RV. 🙂

[@stephenscorzo]

I gotta 2000 winnebago and i've sunk in money on it. I think it's better to just look at the state of RVs rather than the age, because i've seen nasty newer ones too.

[@christophermichaels]

I often roll into campgrounds after-hours and it’s never been a problem with I just set-up quietly in an empty spot, pay in the morning and then hit the road. About 15 years ago I rolled into a nearly empty one in South Carolina once that had the nicest landscaping and bathhouse I’ve ever seen. I climbed into my homemade camper that I was pulling with my vintage truck and was awakened at dawn by an unhappy security guard who informed me that campground was for “million dollar and up RV’s” and that I had to go. I offered to pay the nightly fee and he told me just to leave immediately before they towed me. Your content is great! Thank you!

[@judyross182]

I'm in S.C. What was the name of THAT campground and where was it located?

[@frankpeck1448]

Sounds to me like the Epitome of Snobbery! What's next, Demanding your RV is driven by a Uniformed Chauffeur?!!

[@noodgenoodgerson2660]

Sheesh! And I bet they didn't even have the insight to be ashamed of themselves. I wonder how much that Security Guard's RV is worth?

[@frankpeck1448]

@@noodgenoodgerson2660 Probably doesn't own one.

[@Josephdaugherty-de6ec]

I'm new to the community. I grew up traveling in camper vans and motorhomes, but I'm only 3 weeks into my full time life in my 2004 Gulfstream Friendship Atrium. I was rejected from a local (to where my house was) rv park based on 15 year rule. It amazes me, because I drove thru the park. It wasn't any place special. It was clean, but not particularly nice. Most of the visitors were in small travel trailers, and frankly, my coach would have been the nicest there. I have been worrying about this, since I started planning this life change. You make some amazing points about being environmentally sustainable. Most of the motorhomes I grew up with were already decades old. Prior to my Gulfstream coach, I had a 1983 Roadtrek versitile 190 that I absolutly loved. She was beautiful, and still has decades of life and travel in front of her. I am currently in a park with a 20 year rule... which they are fast and loose with. I'm hoping not to have too much problems with this. I do have clear coat to repair on my coach, but I and my fur babies are settling in for the long haul. Thank you for being real about the situation.

[@ChromaKeyMystress]

I need to thank you for this video - THANK YOU!! because my family and I were facing homelessness at the end of this month because a rental fell through last minute on a house. Our backup plan was to buy an RV and rent lot space in our area and we started noticing rejections because of age of vehicle. Didn't matter what it looked like - only the year on it. You are 100% correct that this is discrimination against those of us that do not have the funds to buy a new RV or something that is under 15 years old. If I could afford that, I wouldn't be buying an RV, I'd be putting a down payment on a house.

[@mozandy]

We have a 1965 Airstream Globetrotter. It’s beautiful and functional. Everywhere we go people come up to talk to me about it. They want to look inside and everyone loves it. I haven’t been turned down by an RV park for age yet, but I heard it could happen. I could have a new one, but ours is so cool, why would I?

[@cnilecnile6748]

Ferrari grade.

[@GratefulGlamper]

There is very little obvious differences between the vintage air streams and the newer ones!

[@dancingmama6]

Perhaps you should test a rv park that has an age restriction.

[@NomadicLiving]

I used to be an apartment manager for a very large national management company. We had to take classes on discrimination - and how to avoid it at all costs. Everyone must be treated the same. The only qualifiers were passing a credit and crimminal check. You could not be disqualified because you wore old clothes or had a classic car parked in the drive. My point is: One good discrimination lawsuit will take care of this nasty little problem; it's just a matter of time before some resort gets hit with a very expensive discrimination lawsuit.

[@lhartwig2354]

Do RV parks do credit and criminal background checks?

[@greygoose4x46]

Unfortunately I don’t believe that it would apply in this situation since the people are welcome but not their equipment … I don’t agree with these policy’s at all nor do I understand them New rv’s break and breakdown all the time so it’s not like they can make a valid claim of risking having one stuck on their site … maybe they are trying to avoid people abandoning old ones at parks ?!

[@42raven42]

What would be very entertaining, would be yearly visitors with the same rig who has been welcomed with open arms for several years suddenly being told that they are no longer acceptable. Needs to be someone with ties into the legal or justice system or the money and good friends of same. Kind of like the speed trap Village on the west side of Columbus Ohio, they finally pulled over the wife of a congress critter on the flimsiest of reasons. That community no longer exists, they were primarily making money off of traffic stops.

[@judyross182]

@@greygoose4x46 My guess is that at one time a junk RV broke down and the owners just abandoned it to the resources and cost of the park to remove it. There are some horrible-looking RVs parked in the trees that don't even look livable so I understand what the park owners are trying to avoid. If Charity and Ben don't do some research into this then we'll never know (from them) the reason. I asked them to interview the park owners and to find out what prompted this "rule."

[@Milesco]

Not all discrimination is illegal. It's not illegal to discriminate on the basis of an RV's age. So a lawsuit would not be successful. (Not saying I agree with this lousy practice -- I don't. Just saying that a lawsuit wouldn't go anywhere.)

[@simplymeconnie4003]

We have a 1987 Kit Road Ranger 5th wheel. She is all original and everything works, in amazing condition. Minus the door. Wind caught it one day. We don't want to give her up as she is amazing, but we can't get in anywhere with her. Our best bet is just sell her parts and junk her. It's sad. I grew up with "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" and "Never buy brand new, buy used to ensure all the kinks are worked out"

[@richduzenbury1066]

Aww, my first RV was a 1994 Kit Road Ranger. I miss that trailer.

[@simplymeconnie4003]

@@richduzenbury1066 Back in the days when you can lean back in the dinette and not have the back fall off. Three friends with newer RV's had it happen. Meanwhile the Dawg Hawse is all 500 pound drunk man falling on me? Got it! What's next? They were built to last

[@BlackHawk-yl5gu]

The problem is after covid there have been so many new campers that the spots are filled with newer models . With newer models they can fetch a higher premium

[@gregg157]

My wife and I own a newer travel trailer and I completely agree with you. So, when I am planning a trip, I try to only use State Park Campgrounds or COE Campgrounds and try not to use Independently owned Campgrounds.

[@kimlittleton4943]

I really enjoyed this video. WE purchased a 2005 Sunline and completely renovated it. It is much better than the newer ....um....crap....we had looked at prior to our purchase. This is very sad. Many years ago, when I was traveling as a single mom and took my kids all kinds of places in a tent. We met some of the best folks, who were camping near us, in their big Class A's, and we were just in a tent. So the community thing is a major deal. It is what made me want to explore and travel even more. I loved meeting new folks from all walks of life. I agree, that is the glue and the foundation of us nomads.

[@alexford5214]

My wife and I were rejected a few times by parks, because we had a truck camper. Mind you it was a brand new Host Mammoth and F-450, with a combined value of $155K, the stigma of the run down, leaking TC exists and frankly made us mad. Even with photos and validation of its age, they said no. We ended up in all occasions, literally camping down the road, at the next facility, who were more than happy with us being there. One site actually said they opened because of their neighbors restrictive nature and have been booming ever since. We've since sold that set up and are going back in with a small TT.

[@barneyvinyard3740]

We have been camping for over 30 years now,but one thing we drew the line at was camping above our means like in an RV Resort,we camp in state parks mostly and have never missed having the experience of staying in an over priced over evaluated resort,we camp with the common everyday working class people and stay within our league knowing we don't feel comfortable living above our means or possibly someone thinking we thought we were better than them

[@gdt5430]

Charity it's a little more complicated than just age, it also involves type of Rv as well. My family have been RV park owners for over 70 years in a town that is a favorite destination. With regard to age of RV, we do have a 15 year limit imposed in the last 4 years. While we have Manager's discretion clause on admissibility the real issue is we have RVs showing up that are on their last leg and the owners intend to park that RV and never leave. When they stop paying rent and electricity for weekly or longer tenants they game the system knowing that an eviction process is required in this state (squatting). Once the judgement is issued to get them out (4 months later) they walk away from what is a pile of RV junk and now it cost $4K to have the unit declared abandoned and re-titled so it can be removed legally. This happens way too much and has become very expensive, so the rule was put into place to reject any RV that didn't have a reasonable market value based on condition or was 15 years old or greater unless the condition exception applied. Every RV is inspected for full functionality before it's allowed into the park for more than a night or two. Units with obvious issues, in other words tenements on wheels are rejected regardless of age. Old units that are clearly restorations or in stellar in condition are admitted no problem. Now on another issue, this RV discriminatory practice didn't just start with RV age, it started with Class A only resorts which personally pisses me off. My personal Fifth-wheel rig is over $250K, young and in like new condition but I'm not allowed to be in the same park/resort as somebody with a $50K FR3 class A. Now let's examine that. I think you're great and provide excellent content objectively.

[@dannyboy4372]

Thanx for that explanation.Answers alot.😎👍

[@marksilvestro450]

Have the rigs towed as illegal parks...

[@pinschrunner]

Thanks for taking the time to explain from a business owners perspective.

[@RoamingRoberts]

I personally don't want to stay at any snooty Class A only parks. And by the way my FR3 Class A was $98K brand new in 2019. Can't imagine any for $50K.

[@waynelion-cachet35]

@@marksilvestro450 and who pays that cost? That was mentioned in the comment, because the absconding client isn't paying, and owes fees already. The parks can't afford to do this. Unfortunately, some (a minority) are ruining it for the majority, again. The discretion of management is great, if you can find good managers.

[@suzannecranford6819]

This is an issue close to my heart as I am 74, and live in an RV, in an RV park. My reason is to live tiny, within decent distance from work (yes, I still work. I love my job and don't intend to retire.) My home is now 11 years old, I've owned it for going on 4 now. I want to keep living in this particular RV, I keep it well maintained, just like you would any other home, and don't want to replace it. I'm sure this will become an issue at some point. Thank you for this video and I hope that the discussion continues as time goes on.

[@stephenscorzo]

This video kind of outlines the problems we face as full time RV owners. We don't quite have the same rights and protections as people who live in a brick and mortar apartment. It also affects people, a lot of people that our my neighbors are retired pensioners, people who have to migrate between jobs, and this would absolutely hurt them if they had pulled up and had been kicked out. It's a practice that I hope some legislation fixes, I think we need legal representation and a voice out there.

[@suzannecranford6819]

@@stephenscorzo I agree.

[@raymondclark1785]

Years ago at the Tampa show a new campground in Palm Beach County was handing out flyers that said: Class A only ! So some guy with a Freightliner Super C that cost more than an A isn't welcome. As for me, i would avoid a campground that is less than 10 years old because it probably loos like a WIP and the shade tree's haven't grown big enough yet

[@FS-vh7mf]

We are proud to have our 03 Foretravel, along with our two Land Cruiser’s a ‘97 & an 01.

[@commonsensepatriot9450]

My brother and nephew work in the RV industry. The new ones are absolute JUNK!

[@lisagardner903]

I agree! Since the pandemic all of the rigs are poor quality.

[@gopedmama]

Amen!! We have a 2022 (made in September 2021) Jayco Jay Flight SLX Baja. I guess we must have gotten the first one to be produced or it was used as a parts trailer. The solar wires were not run where they were supposed to be. We've had 2 recalls - one which we brought to their attention for an inverted flame on the burner while using the heater. Another was a propane tank valve. Now we found out their AC put in it is not placing the excess water outside the trailer but in-between the walls. Windows aren't sealed. And the whole frame is leaning. Thankfully we don't rely on going back to an RV repair location. My husband and I will fix it ourselves.

[@backwoodsarkansas9155]

I think there needs to be a list posted on the internet so everyone can see. Those even with newer RVs might avoid too. This rule is totally discrimination.

[@cashby1425]

I agree and would add that if we all stuck together and avoided them because of their discrimination (and made it known that we were avoiding them), they might rethink their policy. I don’t think the policy is horrible but I think there should be photo exceptions like the examples you showed in your video. In an age of high debt families and being pressed from all sides, I don’t like that some rv parks are making this “”too old” policy

[@GratefulGlamper]

💯

[@miketomas8564]

YESSER! WE NEED A LIST.

[@judyross182]

@@penkac According to my calculations, 2003 is 21 years old.

[@rosel368]

So what happens if a 16 yo rust bucket pulls up next to you and everything about them is bad news. Are you ok with that? I wouldn’t be. If the campground rejects one 16 yo camper but not another…. THAT’S discrimination! I’m being objective and considering the business owner’s position and the laws they are faced with. Thank you.

[@GenVNight]

My experience was old RVs is a blanket term to keep away the riff raff. Obviously we know this doesnt pertain to everyone, but in MY experience it does 75% of the time. They WANT to alienate those without the money to get newer RVs. If you've ever been in an RV park with a bunch of old RVs full of drunks and druggies, you can understand why they do this. These people are not fun, they are trouble. I experience this in a mountain lake resort town.

[@joecummings1260]

I had an older friend back in the 80's that had a restored airstream and belonged to some kind of airstream club. It seemed like having the oldest well kept or restored airstream was like having bragging rights in that club. Some of them even had restored 1950's cars and trucks that they pulled them with. I thought it was cool as hell.

[@dalebarton2321]

We just got an older camper when my mom passed away we decided this would be a great way to honor her My belief this would be family time. THANK U for your video s

[@purelightlove8888]

True Story here! In 2021 - I was asked what year my RV was, and I said; “why would that matter” and they (the RV Park Owner said) well we get dinged for renting spaces out to older RV’s by the powers that be… (got their dirty little fingers in every body’s pie…) This happened in Baker City, Eastern Oregon at 2 RV parks… Mt. View RV park & A Frame RV. (but it never happened to us when we were in Western Montana.)

[@pr0pman]

If you're not allowed into an RV park due to specific rules, find a park that welcomes your business without any issues. It's a free country, and parks can run their business as they see fit. Likewise, you can choose a place where you feel accepted and where your needs are met. Enjoy and keep on Rving

[@Tsiri09]

We RV'ers are all sick and tired of both sides of this issue. Some older RV's and some newer ones look like falling apart junk and should be in parks. Yes, I know that sometimes, (like mine), it's all we can afford, but I'm one of the many, many, many repairing and fixing mine up. I've heard "camp rules," "state law," "insurance," till my ears ache. No state I know has laws against 10 year old RV's staying in RV parks. SHARE the names of the RV parks. When we all start "going elsewhere" with our money, only then things will begin to change.

[@jeffbyrd7976]

Actually, California has begun implementation of Senate Bill 210. This law mostly effects commercial trucks, but it also applies to diesel pusher RVs like mine. And as you suggested, I have no intention of going into California again.

[@christinef7739]

@@jeffbyrd7976 The person you replied to didn't suggest not going to California, you brought that up. The ban is for semis and buses over 14,000 lbs and manufactured prior to 2010. It has to do with the amount of pollution in the air caused by these older, diesel vehicles, nothing to do with how they look. I don't understand why you're trying to conflate two separate issues.

[@MakingMyAbodeOTR]

Yes! Money talks

[@judyross182]

@@christinef7739 Either way, the policy is discriminatory.

[@christinef7739]

@@judyross182 Either way what? I don't think you're following what jeffbyrd said. His comment doesn't have anything to do with the video.

[@Joy-W777]

I agree that someone should post a list of RV sites that have RV age restrictions. The consumer speaks loudly and I’d want to know.

[@richallen8742]

Agree totally this has to stop. Ran into this myself. My RV was 12yrs old so I lied and said it was 8yrs old. Didn’t question me when I pulled in. My RV looks as good as the day I took possession of it, and stored inside all 4 seasons.

[@dianedileonardo6353]

Thank you. This was very informative. I will definitely pass this information on.

[@GratefulGlamper]

Glad it was helpful!

[@larryfromwisconsin9970]

I agree. My first experience with arrogant RV parks was when we were traveling with a brand new popup camper. "Sorry, only Class A motor homes allowed." Now we travel with a 10+ year old hybrid camper. It's in pristine condition with new decals and canvas. If they don't want our business, fine. Honestly we prefer military campgrounds but everyone can't do that. We also have large batteries and an inverter generator so we can boondock too. We have crossed the Country several times since I retired five years ago. Most campgrounds are 90+% filled with full-time residents. People are living in campgrounds, not travelling full-time but living in a camper stationary. In California and similar regions RV parks are always full so they can choose the big money customers and I can drive right by.

[@carolwilliams2356]

My parents had an older Winnebago that they purchased used. My father was a mechanic so he had no doubt that he could keep it running. I am so glad that they did not experience this type of discrimination.

[@grannygoes]

My cousins had an 18ft Hi-Low. They were banned at many parks sight unseen saying they were “pop-ups”. They warned me many moons ago of the age & type discrimination in the industry.

[@IndependantResearch]

As long as it looks good, we welcome all ages with photos to Medical Center RV Resort in Houston, TX!

[@jerrepetersen3860]

For rv parks to have this ten year rule is just outrageous! My wife and my policy is screw them! We go elsewhere! We own a tiffin motorhome that’s ten years old but looks like the day we purchased it! My god these rv parks should be boycotted! Who’s going to start a website that begins the boycotts? Let’s name them All and pass it around!

[@jimlynch9390]

It's been our experience that the age restricted campgrounds are usually the higher priced options, so we avoid them. While a boycott might deter some, elitests will want to go there to avoid us "trailer trash". I'd rather avoid those folks anyway.

[@CakeBanditJr]

​@@jimlynch9390100% what we do!

[@scottmichaels6854]

Why are you so worried about a few parks that don't allow older RVs. There are plenty that do allow old RVs. KYD was just at an Airstream only RV park and I didn't see a single comment about how outraged other RVers were that they weren't allowed in to that park. Some restaurants require dress codes and they can deny you if you don't comply. What's the difference?

[@user-wf5kr8pn6f]

Charity and Ben, Thank you for calling-out these ‘selective’ campgrounds. I agree with you 100%!

[@fixxerautomotive4917]

Completely agree! I have seen new RV's that have not been maintained and look worse than some older models. But there does need to be some kind of system to keep run down RV's out of your park and that can be new or old RV's. At the park that I live in, the focus has always been on how well an RV looks and nothing else. So if you spit polish your old rig and it's not falling apart, you are welcomed in.

[@Jennifer83881]

Thank you for doing this video & addressing this topic. I completely agree 💯%

[@johnhines3591]

If they ask age, they don't get my money.

[@dawudabuadam]

You're not alone. I have a classic 1989 HMC Hawkins Motor Coach 31 foot Class A motor coach. It was $225,000 in the 1980's. It looks better than most of the newer ones in Parks and campgrounds. However, I finally found a great place. Thousand Trails RV Resort. The South Beach Oregon location will take a look at your rig and give you the okay or no. There's not a really strict policy here.

[@robertchapman6822]

Everybody loves to talk about the memories both good and bad from their home. Apparently some rv parks don’t like people to have good long term memories

[@baddestmofoalive]

I get the rule’s spirit; and I have NO PROBLEM at all with sending in pictures of my rig to show its well maintained and clean. I’ve stayed in campgrounds that let ANYONE come, and I’ve seen more than one run-down, dilapidated and abandoned RV’s with ratty tarp roofs and half rotten plywood windows surrounded by half torn apart dirt bikes, random bicycle parts, and junk kitchen appliances. I’ve also found these “neighbors” snooping around my rig at night. There’s a certain hard-drug using element that these rules keep out, and that’s a good thing for the safety of our families and security of our property. What’s ridiculous, however, is a zero-tolerance 10 or 15 year rule. There should always be exception made if you maintain your rig and send in photos. Especially with how awesome retro/restored vintage rigs are and solidly built older rigs are.

[@CenturyHomeProject]

if I were a campground owner, I would encourage vintage RV and camper owners to come to my campground. Like you said some of these older models are literally works of art on wheels. The love and care that is embellished onto these classic models shows by the pride, the owners having them. The fact that they have been updated to still be used for their original function as a testament to their craftsman ship, and to the owners who maintain them. I would even go so far to set up different sections in the campground to where people that had 50s and 60s campers camp together. 70s and 80s campers the same. But only if they want to. Make each section fit to the time where you can park. I can’t help but wonder do they have a restrictions on vehicles at the campground? What if someone owns a 57 Chevy coupe? Are they not allowed to park it there?

[@arthadsock6810]

I have a new cargo trailer that I made a camper out of it. It is two windows two doors air conditioning nice bed inside so they told me you can’t bring it there because it doesn’t have an RV nameplate on it from another manufacturer. My cargo trailer built stronger than any small trailers built. It built like a shark cage. Thanks David

[@aboutmyfathersbusiness6907]

I'm going to build one myself, with all the problems and devastating hardship people are having and crap quality, I'm going to do it myself and have a 98% or more problem FREE rig that won't be in the shop for 6 to 8 months that I can fix any problem I may have myself....... And not spend an arm and a leg 🦵 for repairs

[@latashachappell8974]

Thanks for sharing because this is helping me before I make my rv purchase

[@jerrydaniels30]

Within the last week I had been planning our stops for our annual trip from Middle Georgia to Michigan's UP. I try to change up where we stop for our overnights on the road each year. When I was looking this year, I came across a campground that said if your RV was over 5 years old you would have to send pictures before your reservation would be approved. I was surprised as typically I have seen many saying 10 years. I don't remember the campground but I passed on that one and reserved a nice looking with good reviews county park campground closer to our travel route.