Graviteam: Fateful Strike | Campaign Play-through w/ Strategy, Historical Musings, and Tips

[@SAarumDoK]

I like this new format, but what i like the most is YOu making videos on Graviteam games !

[@azurepurgatorian8306]

Weird seeing you here S'Aarum. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@TheChumbaba]

Competent playthroughs are sparse. Yours belongs definitively to the best in this genre. /subbed

[@warci]

love this format. Interspersing the game with historic info is a brilliant idea!

[@laserprawn]

I hadn't thought about the strategic layer being the definitive one, but you're right - thanks for that insight! Also, I like this format as well - it's great to see a true playthrough.

[@andremesot5144]

A very good video, thx ! Love this format :-)

[@martinrandle5501]

I like this format .The campaign makes more sense and tells a better story . the last battle you showed was great it was a bit like watching a cross between a live action and a documentary. well done

[@IjahMomo]

I love this format. It's well built and goes to the point. Definitely the kind of stuff I am looking for. Thank you very much and go on! For your information, you seem to look at and remember the number of one unit to find it then in the table of organization. Alternatively, you can select your unit with the left mouse button on the operational map, then go to the table of organization (either via the button on the left side or via middle mouse button) and then scroll through the table and all units inside the battlegroup you have selected will be highlighted in green. I think it is a very convenient way to read the table. Keep up the very pleasant-to-watch work!

[@TheWarSimmer]

Dude I had no idea you could do that and it absolutely killed me remembering and scrolling through. Thanks for the tip. Will use for sure.

[@ThisOLmaan]

yeah i can digg the format, and also know that is a lot of work for you, to make these videos I'm sure all who watch really appreciate the entire effort you put into this and we thank you, also if its not to much to mention as you been doing already but if you can please keep mentioning ur play short cut detail and what it means it really helps a lot.

[@stamiejoker]

Awesome format and content, look forward to more. I’ve played pretty much the full spectrum of Second World War video games, from Combat Mission to Command Ops, Post Scriptum to ww2 Online - and IMO Graviteam games are unrivalled. The way the battles evolve organically, with burning wrecks rolling down hills, little pockets of infantry holding out amongst the smoke and rubble - it never gets stale.

[@TheWarSimmer]

Agreed

[@JamesPimlott]

Awesome video, was really educational for the game too, i'm desperate to get in to it and your tips are super helpful, the info around the battles also really adds to it overall, amazing stuff!

[@NickPappas-NP]

Holy fasoli... What a gem of a channel! Top notch content.

[@TheWarSimmer]

thank you

[@meathead919]

Thank you so much for this video! I love Mius Front and the new DLCs

[@boomerdiorama]

Graviteam Tactics: Mius Front has classic written all over it. It`s a battalion simulator with no peer.

[@PiresArsenalLegend]

You can use the middle mouse button on a battlegroup and it will take you straight to it on the reinforcement page. They changed it when they implemented the new limited orders system.

[@jimcastor3214]

Now that was a battle, we need more like that for sure. You did excellent in presenting this armed conflict. You handled the troops just the way they needed to be. tks again for the video. GOOD JOB

[@unclecreepy2022]

Excellent video. I've just discovered Graviteam and you do a great job of illustrating how the game works.

[@masterchief7098]

So nearly done this video. Awsome long cool video. On the graphics front i csnt think of a game this detailed that has this high fidelity of graphics. The animations and effects are beautiful and the shear scale of combat really is brought home.

[@iGameRecord]

Great content. I like that you explain your methodology, share tips, but also demonstrate the game itself. Keen to purchase this in the future. Thanks for your work!

[@SimDeck]

So good to see someone taking a bit of a loss. Done with humility and intelligence. Brilliant stuff. Some of the best content on KZbin of this sort of thing.

[@TheWarSimmer]

Happened to be on yt right when you commented. Appreciate it bud. And yeah, was definitely a bit of a disaster😁. Tough campaign but it's winnable. A few people have managed to come out ontop playing the Wehrmacht.

[@man_vs_life]

Nice commentary and love how you get down to the 3D detail - too many GT video makers seem to keep it at a "high 3D" view, which really isn't very interesting. Liked & subbed. :-)

[@Valentaur]

Love the new format. Outstanding job with the commentary!

[@spellcaster39ify]

Hey WarSimmer! Your videos were recommended to me again by YT and I find myself rewatching here and there! Some quick things in case other viewers might have similar questions: The 88 could penetrate 84mm of armor at 2km, or 1.25 miles. At 1km, the 88 is at a big disadvantage vs the 76mm Soviet tank guns, who only need to land a HE close to the 88 and the fragmentation cone and blast field will kill the 88 crew. To take full advantage of the FlaK 36 / 88 you have to position them as far back as possible, with lighter AT screens further forward. 88mm --→ 50mm → 37mm -> Infantry. I hotkey my AT teams, open fire with the 37, then the 50 to distract the enemy tanks, then the 88. Makes a big difference to not have the enemy commanders spotting your 88 before it gets 2-3 shots off. 1/

[@spellcaster39ify]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKnJZIWLbNF7rbs This StuG III B is short-barreled, yes, but it carried HEAT rounds and performed extremely well in an AT role. It has a very low silhouette and should be placed in ambush spots between houses, etc, where the enemy is likely to present a side shot. It should not be on fire at will when facing enemy tanks - use only the fire arc to increase the chances of a kill on the first shot. I set the fire arc to 200m and I’ve racked up several T-34 kills and a couple of disabled KV-1s this way. In this campaign, I use the StuGs to clear trees and bushes from in front of my 88s, so I can put those 88s back a bit in the woods and then drive the StuGs past them in tight formation to clear their field of fire. Micromanagement, but effective. Also I place dug-in trucks just in front of their positions so enemy shells don’t get a clean impact. 2/

[@jimcastor8601]

Your 88 was placed perfectly, couldn't have been better. This battle was well planned and also executed very well. Give all the 88 gun crew a Iron Cross, well done troops.

[@fredschundnickel3358]

Thanks for all your Graviteam videos.......they help me a lot to understand this very cool game

[@SAarumDoK]

Btw, the light tanks are T-60. :)

[@TheWarSimmer]

Thanks for the heads up. E M B A R R A S S E D

[@countsessine99]

This is an excellent format for these games. Your stop-and-go editing is really cool (must be a lot of work:)). Your commentary is entertaining and historically enlightening. I'm a fan :)

[@thestoicsteve]

this shows the game for what it is. An amazing simulation of forces and how to prepare and deploy and reinforce them, and then conduct the battles themselves. A great help to getting familiar with the game again!

[@Warsimulation1997]

I always come back to this, great video.

[@kenc9236]

Excellent video. I like the way you explain things and what keys do what. Good job.

[@3044-l6y]

Really great work on these videos! Your Graviteam content is always second to none. Thanks/

[@TheWarSimmer]

Appreciate it

[@edwardsantos5719]

You are awesome! Love your videos. Great historical background and love the way you explain your strategy.Tutorial and campaign rolled into one.

[@sc6554]

best format. keep this

[@jonaspetersen3757]

I've never heard of this game before but man this was an awesome video!

[@randomdude8877]

First time viewer of your channel here, awesome job you did with the presentation and the informations to historic battle. Pretty intense combat footage as well, i was able to feel the fear of your troops in the trenches.

[@svmik]

Good video, thanks for this! It's an awesome game, I have to finally get into it.

[@man_vs_life]

That transition from Google Maps to the Graviteam map was fantastic. It really helps bring the reality of it to mind. Doing it for operational map would have been good too. Anyway, nice idea!

[@TheWarSimmer]

Appreciate it

[@kevlarburrito6693]

Even now a 20 minute reply time for air support is good

[@kimlima2113]

Thanks for the great vid again! Personally, I would like to be able to enjoy the game and DLC myself, so I prefer how-to guides and English speaking advice on the game as it actually is currently. Watching you play is great too, of course, I just fear robbing myself of the enjoyment and surprise. In any case, you may want to link your vids on Steam where there is a sticky post "videos for beginners".

[@kevlarburrito6693]

17:48 I'm commenting as I watch so apologies for spam. I'm fairly certain you can do what you did with the recon element in the deployment phase and use single squads (they deploy in platoon strength not squad strength) to setup OP's. Especially if they're dug-in.

[@Docyang]

Hell yeah i was waiting for your graviteam videos! :D And If you can, I wish you play Sidi Bouzid Campaign of Tank Warfare Tunisia 1943. Its very open grounded and seems hopeless...

[@olivergarcia2304]

Fantastic video and very well explained. Really enjoyed this battle.

[@BikeratBerlin]

Great Video -very informative ! - Greets and please Go on XD

[@AlekseiR]

Great videos man ! Thank you !

[@SnafuWT]

great explanations, watched it from start to finish. great vid!

[@MonkeyLibFront]

Fantastic video, love the format especially as I've watched your other tutorial videos along side this which has encouraged me to buy Mius. Subbed as well.

[@hartley9958]

Excellent video brother enjoyed it very informative cheers...

[@shawnp6653]

Very nice. Thinking about getting graviteam and your video gave me some good info. Really want to avoid a lot of micro.

[@benfackrell1799]

1:13:35 “It’s in incendiary, because fuck them” lol that’s a big mood in this game

[@cheetengho7876]

Please make more! This is great content!

[@zachnar0125]

Glad i found your page!

[@kimlima2113]

03:13: the entrenchment of some of the German units seems to point in the "wrong" direction" (= inwards). Why is that so and is it of any importance?

[@TheWarSimmer]

No sir, no importance at all. It's simply a graphical representation on the strategic map that the battlegroup is entrenched. Keep in mind, however, that if you move them outisde of their local square in the deployment phase they will no longer be entrenched.

[@samsonstone764]

Ayyy saw this already 1-2 weeks ago and completely forgot to say thanks for playing the Germans, haven’t thought you‘d do it so quickly! Format is good and enjoyable as well as the commentary and of course the commanding of troops, good cinematic representation as always. Got that dlc aswell and like the early war stuff, really tough dlc though as the Germans with all these tanks the Russians field. Looking forward to this campaign but also remember the cruel star for the russian side, if you just focus on these two you have a solid base for future videos with each of the factions. Cruel Star is at quite a cliffhanger I must admit since you wiped the German AT-platoons and are now ready to bring these lend-lease valentines in, looking forward to this aswell :)

[@TheWarSimmer]

Thanks man. I'm going to finish cruel star after this one. This campaign absolutely kills you from the impossible difficulty and scale so Cruel Star will be a welcome return.

[@GrumblingGrognard]

Thanks for the vid. I have always 'wanted' to like this series. I must have purchased at least 2 or 3 of them over the years, but they STILL require too much micromanagement for my taste. I should not have to be an NCO for every damn squad. That seems to have remained the same.

[@evilsix6149]

Hey WarSimmer! Just wanted to drop a comment and let you know that I just picked this game up and my brain is melting but your tutorials and playthroughs are helping out a ton!

[@hartzaden]

honestly the best uses i found for the 3.7 cm guns is derping infantry and basicly useing it as a long range grenade launcher

[@Robscottmellor]

like format nicely laid out m8

[@19Fubar71]

Just found your channel mate, liking the content so much I bought the game! 👍🥂

[@dogukan127]

this was amazing, it was like watching a good, realistic war movie thanks a lot!

[@THATWW2GUY6434]

I NEED THIS TO BE A SERIES PLEASEEEE

[@TheWarSimmer]

Glad you are enjoying it. The 2nd part encompasses the remainder of the operation and will be uploaded in a couple days!

[@yumpinyiminy963]

You can't use the PAK 37's for frontal attack or defense against armor. Hold fire until you can get a side or rear shot.

[@jun.subere4319]

I love your way or format you show instead the good part....

[@Tyr1001]

I'm blown away that the 88's aren't much of a match for a t34 at 1km. The optics (if they were present) on those takes were quite poor, but they're lobbing HE like they have integrated fire control.

[@Geoweb35]

This game looks so realistic, nice vid 👍

[@TheWarSimmer]

it's a lot of fun, appreciate it man

[@grider05]

If you happen to do more of these, please enable UI scaling and larger icons in settings.

[@alanshackelford6450]

Condensing should actually help you build a more focused narrative. Your discussion of the logic behind you operational decisions is really helpful.

[@guypmiller]

excellent video

[@soldierbreakneck771]

88 are certainly powerful, but they also have a large silhouette, so they are relatively easy to detect, and when detected, they are vulnerable. The Soviets carried out a brilliant attack here, it would have been very difficult to stop such a number of heavy tanks without mines.

[@MrOokachaka]

Great videos!

[@Geist363]

Wonderful game, thanks for giving it more attention :)

[@sotemot]

I've had infantry take out KV1's with bundled grenades, but it's incredibly rare. Other than the 8.8cm's, german AT capabilites at this time are woeful.

[@TheWarSimmer]

They really are. If it wasn't for the fuel, ammunition problems and leadership/lack of radios on the tanks, the Wehrmacht would have for sure been in trouble during Barbarossa. You should check out the book I mentioned- Tank Warfare on the Eastern Front. Great read.

[@sotemot]

@@TheWarSimmer I definitively will, as soon as I'm done with Tigers in the mud.

[@BGrzebieluch]

Great work! thx!

[@nexus888]

Thanks for the book reference. I got a couple of new books now :)

[@orsonincharge4879]

those 3.7 will fire Stielgranate 41 if they are in range

[@xRxixcxhxtxexrx]

I find the new format very good :) Also I find your videos tutorial.

[@spellcaster39ify]

Hey WarSimmer - love your stuff. Why don't you right-click on the Battlegroup unit icon in each battlegroup and hand-pick the type of artillery that you want the spotter from? Otherwise the game treats your "assignment" as a request and may or may not send you the Spotter that you want. E.g. in some situations you may want larger calibre and in others the smaller 10.5cm. Also you didn't add any extra platoons to your SPGs or artillery batteries, which you can do by right-clicking the placeholder "Scout", "Support", or "Inf. or Motor Inf." icons. You can also right-click and replace at least one AT gun unit with AA (88s).

[@TheWarSimmer]

Appreciate it man. Sometimes I hold back a little on certain support, especially if it's a longer game, but thought it was best to bring the 88s with the StuGGs asap. Wasn't aware you could pick the specific calibre on off-map arty though. Awesome tip and I'll be sure to apply it in the next vid. There's already been a couple things brought to my attention that I can do in the next one that I wasn't aware of. There's so many knowledgeable people such as yourself in these comments that I've learned a ton recently.

[@spellcaster39ify]

@@TheWarSimmer Thanks bud. Also at kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKnJZIWLbNF7rbs you do not need to place the spotter in a position to see the fall of shells because it's pre-planned support only. That is indicated by the white "checklist" icon on the support icon. Your spotter can just plot and time the barrages, which are called in to the battery as soon as you move to the combat phase. You cannot adjust nor cancel nor add any fire missions after that.

[@jimcastor3214]

great video

[@fuchnorris6277]

this games been sitting in my library over a year, intimidated by its seeming complexity but you have inspired me to figure this out. Well not exactly this game but the tank warfare one. am i correct to assume that these graviteam tactical guides will carry over to the Tank warfare titles as well?

[@ScarletEdge]

These 88 tactics were epic.

[@biohita]

Hi there, are you using or were using any sound mod?

[@pawagnathom]

The Graviteam series is awesome. God wish it would be multiplayer.

[@0v3r666]

I keep coming back to this great video. May I ask, what graphical settings are you using? Is your sharpening on highest?

[@TheWarSimmer]

I am using High settings on everything except for smoke, which I keep on moderate. I don't use any sharpening, however. Just play in 4k so AA isn't really needed imo.

[@0v3r666]

The WarSimmer oh nice, thanks for your quick answer!

[@jonshive5482]

Another great viddy and congratulations on the Total Victory. BTW sorry to be a linguistic wrist-slapper but according to a close German-speaking relation Stug is pronounced "Stewg," as in a meat and veggie dish cooked in liquid. Cheers!

[@TheWarSimmer]

Appreciate it and thanks for alerting me to the pronunciation. I'm going to try to work on it but I've pronounced it that way for so long it may be tough to change!

[@jonshive5482]

@@TheWarSimmer Don't worry about it, most people know what you mean.

[@にまりん-g2y]

There was only 44 pak40 in service in 1942.04 .the mission was in 1942.05 so basically you probally won't see any of them.

[@comradeboris2335]

ok so i have a problem. i am playing operation star and the campaign with the "das reich" panzer division where i have to capture a soviet held rivercrossing (dont remeber the name of the campaign). the thing im having a problem with is that most of the battles occurs mainly in forests and i have no idea how to properly attack in forests with minimal losses plus it doesnt seem like my tanks and halftracks like forests too, so what tips do you have? thanks in advance

[@TheWarSimmer]

You want to use artillery whenever possible, and be sure to use smoke. Make sure that any time you attack you have a 2:1 ratio or higher of troops in the local area vs the enemy. You want to also make sure that you dismount your infantry from their half-tracks, and you can even separate them and then hotkey each group to control them individually (i.e. CTRL+1 for infantry, and whenever you press 1 you will have that infantry selected). Here is a good guide: www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3137363&mpage=1&key=&#3137363

[@andremesot5144]

is it possible to create our own scenarios please ?

[@gunnerr8476]

War Simmer, please. Check your RESERVE. Hover your mouse on the blue bar(like this one 7:16) to check what possible units that can reinforce your platoons. Each division will have their own reserves. Check the blue bar to see what they have. HQ reserve is open to everyone. HQ usually has powerful artillery like rockets, but only a few. The blue bar will stated like this: Reserve: 13 squads HQ reserve: 2 squads Your Under the cruel star is quite painful since you hardly assign any artillery spotter. This is crucial for the Soviet.

[@TheWarSimmer]

I definitely forgot with Cruel Star- was too focused on recording. And I didn't know about the blue bar tooltip. Thanks for the info, I'll be sure to use it.

[@kevlarburrito6693]

You know...I actually heard a story about the door knockers (the 3.7 PAK guns) having some effect at extremely close range against early T-34s. Like...stupidly close range.

[@talknight2]

Well sure, if they're close enough to aim directly at the periscopes, the gun barrel, view-ports, drive wheel, etc.

[@kevlarburrito6693]

@@talknight2 the modern systems have direct fire systems built into the sighting equipment and software. It happened some time around the introduction of the copperhead rounds. Shortly before the Excalibur program.

[@Jajalaatmaar]

Why are the T34's and KV's so accurate, while moving, at 1km+, buttoned down, with only 1 shot at them for a reference of where the 88 was? Seems really annoying that you spring a perfect ambush but the magically stabilized soviet tanks just wipe your gun out after 1-2 shots.

[@uncletimo6059]

in the background, you can hear the warcries of a 1 year old warrior

[@rogueskypilot]

What's the hotkey to disable the interface?

[@TheWarSimmer]

ctrl+backspace

[@edwardsantos5719]

What machine are you running this on? Graphics are incredible. Specs please.

[@HelmetHair]

Those stukas, did you call them in? You sounded like they just randomly showed up. I have not played the game much so not sure how it works.

[@TheWarSimmer]

You can't schedule air support- it comes when it comes.

[@Ts5EVER]

Check if the 3.7cm Pak get the big HEAT antitank grenade. Because then they can easily knock out heavy tanks up close.

[@TheWarSimmer]

Could be wrong, but I don't think any of them have heat rounds in this operation. Imo, this is the most difficult campaign since some of the old operation star content. Btw, I watched some of your cruel star content and it was nice stuff. You going to do another campaign in the future?

[@Ts5EVER]

@@TheWarSimmer I think the knocked out one in the third battle actually has a HEAT round loaded. I might do another campaign but I am kinda waiting for the next Combat Mission DLC to come out.

[@colinsmith929]

Graviteam tactics really makes you appreciate good sound design... In a bad way.

[@davidhay3924]

How long do you set your tac battles for? 30 mins? 1 hour?

[@TheWarSimmer]

1 hr for convenience. The AI will try more flanking maneuvers if you do two hrs

[@sbura_]

I think you shouldn't have sacrificed the AT guns but withradawn before

[@Oscuros]

88mm Guns on a flat trajectory were used in an emergency from 1940 onwards, not on the Eastern Front. By the Eastern Front using 88s as AT was well established. That's why you should not base your reading on only one book. That's why you don't seem to know about the Matilda Tank, which caused similar problems for Germans with its cast armour. So the Matilda had a puny 2 pounder gun, but was impervious to everything, even carefully laid out pakfronts of PaK 36s, what you call the 50mm guns. They also ruined extant German Sword and shield tactics, as well as the hammer and anvil development between the mobile tanks and these pakfronts. This was one of the secrets of early German tank success that the allies did not realise was an aspect. Most famously, Rommel had to fire the commanding officer of 5th Panzer Regiment and some other officers for refusing to engage with the Matildas. Obviously I know about the Eastern Front from "Knights of the Black Cross" and "War on the Eastern Front" by Greenhill military publishing, but I have much more than one book on this subject, I have a whole collection. Apart from that I learnt this in practicality about Soviet Tanks in Steel Panthers, where you experience the same problems throughout 1942. In that I found that that actually PaK 36s are good against those tanks, from the side and behind and you can set your Pak Fronts as traps to only get them after they've gone past, I also noticed the T70s at 21:34, which, obviously your infantry can deal with, let alone your "Doorknocker" 37mms. Sometimes in wargames on the Eastern Front, that's all you have, 37mms to get the job done. Sometimes you have to shove your tanks right up behind T34s and kill them at point blank range, sometimes assigning a whole tank platoon to that job, it gets done, just like in real life. I apprehend that you don't have armour for this one, but it's really not that bad, although that is why I often mention to people that american troops will not fight unless they have all the toys to hand. European troops are not like that from thousands of years of war. Actually the main problem that T34s had in the early war was bad crews. You could get them to abandon the tank with machine gun fire, which is extremely loud inside the tank, but people usually brazen it out, but not soviet tank crews in every case and again in SP you could do that. I don't think you quite get the tactics of tank trapping and stalking that was also so important on the Eastern Front. All tanks when buttoned up had 10 metre blind spots around them that if they did not have men with them, another reason the Russians used tank-riders, you could stalk them at will to lay a mine on their track or anything. You are not going to get them frontally or from the side at any range, forget about that. Rather just the heavy tanks, not the cars and extremely light tanks. You need to get at them from properly masked positions. You need to separate the tanks from the infantry as well to then be able to stalk them or keep "ringing their bell" (machine gun fire) until they abandon ship. There were no T34s there, by the way, just KVs and they don't have sloping armour, just 100mm thick slabs of armour put up square.

[@Oscuros]

23:29 T70s, not T26s, they look totally different to each other.

[@Oscuros]

35:59, funny, I was just saying out loud that 88 was too exposed once anything gets past the bend, but they didn't even need to do that.

[@Oscuros]

52:30 I'm pretty sure in real life your commanders would be really pissed off with you losing an 88 and would threaten to never ever assign them to you again. Those were still technically deployed at corps level and were manned by the luftwaffe. It was common to assign them to the front that they clearly did that because of your struggles on day one. They gave you a troop, but they would have busted your balls about it. They'd expect a 3-1 kill ratio to you as the defender (especially vs the red army), so they wouldn't be happy with the maths you handed in either. Of course as commander on the ground you might say that to your men, but honestly, the brass would not be that happy with that performance so far. This is mostly an infantry battle for you, and you're not using them. Eliminate their soft, isolate the tanks, stalk and trap, stalk and trap until they leave. Trick is to let them get past before you give away the element of surprise. It was really effective in the Normandy Bocage. By this stage of the war, most AT guns pointed backwards for effective trapping, never engage the first vehicle.

[@blackedelweiss601]

What sound mod or combination of sound mods are you using?

[@TheWarSimmer]

I'm using a modified version of VAPASOM where I tried to give the effects more punch in audacity. I am modifying it further after the cruel star and fateful strike campaign to change the MGs and small arms.

[@blackedelweiss601]

​@@TheWarSimmer ah ok. That was one I used to use. I am rocking the small arms plus one (nice explosions and incoming arty sounds) but with the RO2 sound mod on top to give the small arms a nice sound... but yeah it's always annoying because every mod has strengths and weakness... there is always something that drives me nuts or isn't logical.

[@TheWarSimmer]

Now that you mention it, I may be using it in combo with the RO2 as well but can't remember. There were some good sfx in that one.

[@peterclas4024]

First time I have heard about this game. How long has it been out. It looks extremely interesting. A replacement for Combat Mission?? Better or worse or just not a fair comparison? Nicely done episode as well.

[@TheWarSimmer]

I think it's more of a close combat replacement. It's like if we got close combat III in the 90s and finally this came out in the 2010s

[@peterclas4024]

@@TheWarSimmer Really. That is a bit disappointing but I have only seen a couple of these videos and skimmed them as well. It looked like there was greater depth. So it seems that I should just stick with Combat Mission.

[@TheWarSimmer]

@@peterclas4024 Gravi has a ton of depth, it's just different. Tbh I'd say this is probably the deeper game. You should check it out

[@peterclas4024]

@@TheWarSimmer I am up to my eyeballs in War in the East 2 but I will give this one a go once I am in need for some tactical action. I noticed that it has a battalion sized campaign (or am I mistaken) which I would very much like. Combat Mission can do similar but this one seemed to be very true to historical recreation. Anyway, I have subscribed and you and this game are on my list. There seems to be an abundance of very good wargames now tactical/operation & strategic. Even retired there is not enough time in the day...

[@TheWarSimmer]

@@peterclas4024 Very true, there are tons of good wargames today. Enjoy!

[@dcl4dg]

You dont need to "go ahead and move things", you can just "move" them.