DOOM: Creating The FrankenWAD

[@manboy4720]

we shouldn't be asking 'can it run crysis', we should be asking 'can it run nuts 3'.

[@mikeshmit1363]

it cant, nothing can run nuts 3

[@andrewmaher9867]

@@mikeshmit1363 unless you just use a non zdoom derived source port

[@mikeshmit1363]

@@andrewmaher9867 yeah but that kinda beats seeing if you can run it in gzdoom

[@RealMephres]

@@andrewmaher9867 You gotta push the spaghetti code to its absolute limit, though.

[@jeremieh5009]

@@mikeshmit1363 woof+6 core cpu+rtx gpu disagrees

[@flyboy_nathan4112]

crowdsurfing is actually a GZDoom thing, in classic engine settings monster's collision is infinitely tall

[@fruitsalad5802]

fuck ur right

[@goreobsessed2308]

Yep would have to cut your way through

[@daniielah.7569]

Specifically monster collision with other objects like the player, other monsters and ammo pickups, interestingly enough. Rockets can go over their heads and they don't have problems with varied ceiling heights unless it's level with their own height

[@PlayerZeroStart]

Probably an issue with the whole "Doom actually being a 2D game rendered to be 3D" thing.

[@daniielah.7569]

@@PlayerZeroStart yeah, it's not. Both monsters and the player have heights, projectiles have full working hitboxes with a height and vertical position. What makes it seem that it's not a "full" 3D game is a lot of limitations to make calculations faster so the game could both fit and run well enough in DOS machines, but it's by no means 2D. Not correcting you or anything, since I get the vibe you have an issue with said statement yourself

[@MKVProcrastinator]

I think the massive lag you get in non-invulnerability mode might be because of GZDoom's dynamic lights feature; it makes it so fireballs and rockets illuminate the environment. In invulnerability mode, the lighting is forced to fullbright, so the lighting calculations do nothing. Massive props to the Civvie reference, though.

[@smilemv96]

GZDoom is generally shittily optimized. Such is a price for high moddability.

[@funx24X7]

That makes sense. My guess was that enemies don't fire projectiles while invul is active, but that wouldn't explain the lag going in and out with the blinking as the effect wears off

[@goreobsessed2308]

Yep kts the lighting

[@skarjj1]

@@smilemv96 its because of the massive amount of sprites

[@jeremyabbott4537]

@@funx24X7 they do fire the projectiles, but when invul the game goes fullbright and thus no lighting effects are rendered. Once the invul starts going away all the lighting effects reenable and tank the framerate. Playing it in vanilla wouldn't have this issue as all the lighting effects are from the GZDoom port itself.

[@reallycoolbird]

DOOM is more eternal than the game titled that due to the sheer amount of wads

[@GoodTato]

I hope the next Doom brings back 2016's map editor

[@goreobsessed2308]

@@GoodTato yes absolutely I love doom eternals game play loop but I want map editor back. Randomized demon spawns with mods on the same levels over and over is only entertaining so far

[@llDbGll]

4:33 Oh nice, a Civvie reference. Subsequently followed by "funny joke Yoda" voice. That's peak Grayfruit for ya.

[@World-O]

I was literally just watching Civvie 11 before I clicked on this video so I thought I was going nuts for a second

[@somelass231]

where’s the yoda voice

[@KurosakiYukigo]

FUNNNNNNNNNY *JOKE*

[@mouthwide0pen]

ive watched so many civvie vids that my brain didnt even ACKNOWLEDGE that. im too used to it!

[@somelass231]

@@mouthwide0pen me too bro

[@paulisaperson0516]

The idea of calling a group of revenants “the bone zone” is the funniest fucking thing to me

[@CapnShades]

murder of crows, gaggle of geese, bone zone of revenants.

[@AnnieC.1993]

Big boners down the Mars base

[@chaboi7791]

I made a fireblu hoodie, can verify pics if wanted. As a major doom fan im also smiling at the frankenwad, a great way to spend a sick day is to download every mod you can and mix em.

[@thecountercounter9127]

cmon people, 80 likes and NO ONE had even the slightest amount of balls to ask for the pictures! give us the pictures babeeeeeeeeeey!

[@HotClown]

@@thecountercounter9127 fuck that I want a link to buy one also pictures tho

[@chaboi7791]

Fine i have to make a imgur account or smthin to give but i will deliver Also if i forgot to make it clear I made its, its not buyable

[@j.yossarian6852]

@@chaboi7791 How did you make it then?

[@j.yossarian6852]

@@HotClown our best option might be to purchase a “fireblu blanket” off redbubble and then sew it into a hoodie lmao

[@Crazak53]

That whole end section where Grayfruit was "corrupting" the game was simultaneously hilarious and really interesting.

[@gremlinman9724]

i love that "basically the same crap" and "hack your way to victory, doom geek" were strategically placed in nuts 2 to fucking condition you into falling for its tricks. it was made 20 years ago and i still think about it sometimes.

[@fauxdude9756]

the nuts 2 japes were incredible live, it was amazing watching Greyfruit lose the ability to trust

[@gshark3511]

The reason why the Chex Quest ones work so well with the doom textures is probably because the chex quest textures and enemies where built overtop of the doom ones, while the hexen and heretic enemies and texture where built from scratch

[@nerd_5615]

4:04 I love that the noise that Gray makes kinda matches the expression on Doom Guy's face on the HUD

[@mojonojo]

Same with 15:20

[@Ayeloo]

4:35 A civvie reference in a grayfruit video is actually just awesome

[@MisterCrowley]

Fruit Man learns live he can mix WADs together, goes through a downward spiral of WADs and graphics more hellish than in actual DOOM WADs.

[@sloppyvods]

I can't do it help

[@Gabri_Lovecraft]

It is always really heartwarming when you can tell Grayfruit played a game, LOVED it, and then becomes super into it, triple so for this because I've been playing Doom for literally longer than I can remember and grayfruit playing catch-up and introducing some of his younger fans that haven't played Doom is cool as hell.

[@_plg]

34:43 Those are ZDoom Marines, sometimes known as "gray marines", which are enemies (or allies depending on the level designer) that use the player's weapons. (well, at least the vanilla ones)

[@mercury5003]

29:22 Cool to see count chocula get his own game after the success of chex quest

[@boss_boy_]

8:23 No you could not. To save time on physics calculations, OG Doom(the DOS executable) considered all monsters to be infinitely tall when dealing with collision, meaning that if the player was on a ledge and ran into one, even if the player was ten thousand miles above the demon the game would treat it as if both the monster and the player had the same y-value, and the player would stop dead in their tracks. This is incredibly annoying, though, so GZDoom disables that feature by default.

[@ch1ppychipp]

So yes, it is a GZDoom cheese moment. Oops.

[@MrSkerpentine]

29:21 Doomguy being turned into a weird fusion of Marvel’s Colossus and André the Giant is sending me

[@funx24X7]

This heavily reminds me of those old sonic games where you could stack the cartridges on top of each other to alter the gameplay. This sounds like insanity when I read it back but it's a real thing I swear.

[@misirtere9836]

Literally how Sonic 3 & Knuckles works. S3&K is actually 2 games; Sonic 3, and Sonic & Knuckles. You shunted one on top of the other for the full S3&K experience. Or you could shunt one of the old Sonic games on for different stuff, I think it was new bonus level layouts.

[@funx24X7]

@@misirtere9836 I never actually saw the physical system, Sonic Jam had an emulated version that let you select which carts to merge with an in-game menu

[@acmargatroid]

@@misirtere9836 i think it only worked for sonic 2, and it added a playable knuckles. No new level layout though.

[@misirtere9836]

@@acmargatroid Oh yeah, Sonic 2 let you play S2 as Knuckles, that's right. But no, that's not what I'm talking about. Sonic 1 does do something, and that's new Bonus Stage layouts. As in, Get Blue Spheres bonus stages, Not the real levels. The main prizes are the complete S3&K and S2 Knuckles though.

[@ButtonMasherReal]

You're talking about Lock-On Technology™, Sega's way of making up for the fact that they had to split Sonic 3 into two games because it was too big for one cartridge.

[@cptnpancake]

6:57 as someone who goes camping very frequently, i know EXACTLY what gray is talking about here and it makes me very happy that someone acknowledged this

[@kyaban5192]

Hexen is the mix of Heretic and Chex

[@MrSkerpentine]

Chexen as a fanmade Doom WAD from an alternate universe would be neat Like “What if Chex Quest was a knockoff/PG pastiche of another game instead of DOOM”

[@MoonyB]

The way the original doom is coded monsters hit boxes are infinitely high, so sadly no, it's a gzdoom moment

[@forhundredsofyearsilaydorm9301]

Oh, god, just imagine if somebody actually put Cruelty Squad stuff in a DOOM wad. That would be a surreal take on what's already a dystopian fever dream. I already love it.

[@andrewmaher9867]

Hey grayfruit, the designer of the nuts series has made a myriad of other works you should really check out! Equinox (the one which the sign references, Grove, and the mucus flow which is the map 24 of a wad called community chest 2. Another cool tidbit is that the music for nuts 3 was actually composed by the designer of the level, BPRD. Most levels of his have great tracks such as the previously mentioned wads. You should really check em out sometime!

[@elijahkeay3906]

Gray has a really similar idea of what is cool to me and I can agree that the fact that you can mix the games together without them crashing??? That is insanity. Seeing doom enemies in Chex quest and vice versa is just amazing

[@Tuxfanturnip]

it's the same engine, just loading different graphics, maps, enemy definitions etc over each other

[@Dugget]

The things I would do to be stuck inside grayfruit's brain for all of eternity

[@orvilleredenpiller338]

Watching you fall for that Looney Tunes gag in Nuts 2, 10/10. Best thing I will see all day.

[@orvilleredenpiller338]

OH MY GOD, WELCOME TO A SLOT ON MY "BEST VIDEOS POSSIBLE" PLAYLIST!

[@sulkingsookie]

A grayfruit upload and a FUNKe upload. A good day to be alive.

[@muffy_bunny]

Truly, grayfruit and a 40 minute FUNKe video,.,.,. Blessed day

[@fugyfruit]

I personally recommend watching this video on a small screen at a distance

[@erc3338]

Love how you referenced how Civvie/Katie does the Blank Blanks Later edit.

[@ExperimentH4T]

see, now i want someone to make a new wad FOR grayfruit, where the story is that all of the corrupted, mashed up wads have decided to work together to kill the player. that sounds so hype.

[@masonhhoffman]

You actually couldn't really crowdsurf in original Doom bc the enemy hurtboxes extended to infinity vertically basically, which is also why a Pinkie can still bite you even if you're on a ledge higher than it

[@porygonlover322]

3:09 2022 mood I still hope you get around to Plutonia eventually.

[@PriestOfTheHelix]

Seeing chex quest being played normally vs with the weird doomified version of it is like enabling and disabling pyrovision in tf2.

[@UnknownCleric2420]

The effects of combining WADS changes depending on the load order. A lot of mods will actually crash if the load order is incorrect. Also I am very disappointed that you don't use the Plutonia MIDI Pack.

[@Iinneus]

oh my GOD that fireblu mod-- there was basically no video my eyes could parse nothing

[@TheUltraBender]

19:40 Grayfruit sounds exactly like the "huh" meme

[@nenozak714]

23:32 this is a xavier renegade angel bit

[@pikachuever]

milo the cat at the end!?! what a deep cut! never in my LIFE have i seen a milo the cat reference anywhere on the internet. round of applause for that one.

[@shmavid4803]

Always nice to see more grumfruit

[@dealerman5955]

this grumgrum is too spicy

[@Emma-bc8hw]

KZbin compression committed seppuku when fireblue started

[@RandoDusty]

In regards to a frankenWAD, there's a wad called Samsara that basically tries to do this without all the glitchy stuff

[@ashtmslf2315]

the reason doom in chex quest wasnt clown vomit is because they both use the same colour pallete.

[@oldladmanmp4]

I love watching grayfruit. He seems like the cool cousin that shows you fun games

[@Monochromeglobox]

I'd watch more of this! This could be a fun 2 or 3 stream series

[@monmagog]

Nuts using a Kashmir remix is not a song I was expecting to hear

[@johnmendon18]

8:24 is totally a gzdoom cheese moment lol

[@mothramaster1837]

I can explain why the Doom/Chex mix was tame compared to other wads. It's because out of all the Iwads, Chex is mostly just a sprite and texture swap, infact if you're a really keen eye, you'll notice that they even use the same palette, hence why none of the textures or enemies have corrupted appearances, instead just switching to their native graphics as opposed to the s and random replacements. If you do this again, mix Doom 2 to Hexen, maps like Map02 are a joyride in that mix due to the fact that the co-op spawns become enemies.

[@dibberz-v1z]

the reason why the graphics weren't clown vomit when you loaded doom 2 with chex quest, is because they both use the same color pallet not to mention chex quest is basically a tc mod for doom 1, like you can still access doom 1's episode 2-4 levels if you cheat

[@blaze4109]

I think I know what happened with the Chex Warrior enemies. ZDoom has an enemy called a “scripted marine” that’s essentially a clone of Doomguy in gray armor, that can switch between different weapons if a map script tells it to. Somehow, you tricked the game into spawning a group of scripted marines instead of whatever the intended entity in that room was supposed to be, and they used Chex Quest sprites because said game happened to be the last one on the stack. Scripted marines aren’t used in anything official, but they’re designed for use in custom maps and I’m sure there’s at least one WAD out there that does (intentionally) use them.

[@maxdriever7668]

Always a good day when grayfruit uploads

[@connerduncan1286]

Gotta love the Led Zeppelin - Kashmir playing in the background of Nuts 1

[@thebadegg8937]

3:09 Me on Twitter seeing a shitty comment section

[@lemonscented7703]

4:35 I literally forgot what channel I was watching for a second, that was fucking amazing. gray in his peak boomshoot era.

[@RedBoi88]

This is the kind of content I like to see after a long grueling work day

[@k1zm3t]

25:27 nyerr

[@A55Grasser9k]

I can never thank you enough for this gift, I was laughing so hard my family came to check on my health

[@ryanthornton1629]

This was such a fun group of streams to watch

[@flamingolegs]

good end card

[@crack321-i4x]

Fire blue is John Carmack's native dimension

[@poyo6467]

Seeing grayfruits pure excitement during the descent into madness made me remember just how much cooler game glitches used to be

[@Saver310]

5:24 i love how grayfruit imitates the zombiemen

[@biygas]

I appreciate the Demon Sweat solo at the start. Good to know you are down with the brown like a true Ween stan.

[@charleshaskell2056]

Seeing the walls present you with their demon pocket change was great. Great video, man!

[@EngiFort]

0:31 THANK YOU KZbin COMPRESSION :D

[@lucasoftazmily256]

20:20 Jonestown moment

[@proxy1035]

1:53 tip for the future: masterminds are hitscan, so they can fight eachother. so if you run between them without shotting either, one is gonna hit the other and then they just brawl it out! on another note, why does the resolution seem so low? and i don't mean the video compression, it just looks like the actual game is running at a lower resolution by how much everything gets pixel-y much earlier than you'd see on a 1080p screen. is he using the software renderer instead of the hardware one? that could potentially explain why Nuts runs so horribly despite his seemingly decent PC. (i played Nuts 3 on GzDOOM and it was a bit laggy, but not to this extend)

[@Wheagg]

You're complaining about resolution on Doom, a game that is now older than most people who play video games.

[@arrowtongue]

@@Wheagg doom can run at a native resolution in the right source ports, they're saying it's weirdly low, not that the game is low res lol

[@Wheagg]

@@arrowtongue that's not what I meant. It's doom. You literally cannot see any more detail beyond like 480p at this point.

[@proxy1035]

@@Wheagg that is not really true... here some examples with DOOM2 at 2 different resolutions: 640x480: i.imgur.com/dOYgbIa.png 4K: i.imgur.com/qve1Hhx.png (you can literally count the bolts on the steel wall in the hallway) so yes, like with any 3D game, a greater resolution means you can see finer details at greater distances, and overall lines of polygons become smoother due to the smaller pixels. there are defineitly diminishing returns after a while, but "480p" sets the bar way too low, nowadays i'd say the difference between DOOM/Quake at 1080p and 4K is still noticeable, but anything above starts to become too small to notice.

[@Wheagg]

@@proxy1035 I think the main issue with these images is that imgur compressed them to shit lmao. I can kind of understand that, but unlike modern games that have lots of eye candy, Doom has all of like two examples of a better resolution. Hell, the only reason I play it at 1080p is just to have it in borderless fullscreen.

[@PlasmaCore]

1:43 YO HE'S POGGING!

[@povotaknight2063]

Was NOT expecting a civvie11 bit, spit my coffee out. Fantastic!

[@gen2mediainc.577]

comfiest streamer in history and in future, love his commentary and how it feels like a dude just showing you cool games

[@moneyman-qo5em]

THE WAD HAS BE BLOWED

[@QuazzleTheQaz]

Finally Chex Quest 4

[@just-mees]

As soon as you mentioned cruelty squad I couldn't unsee it

[@jumpymap8748]

I know you said you wouldn’t do many more doom wads after this, but I implore you to try Reelism2, it’s a hilarious mod that still manages to have really fun gameplay

[@SqueezeBakon]

I would give anything for a cruelty squad video

[@serv3384]

I hope that gray would play ULTRAKILL at some point with his recent playthroughs of doom-esque games.

[@wolcamophone4783]

This is an amazing video for grayfruit lore. He knows Civvie and Cruelty Squad.

[@humgrh]

Jerma innovating a new type of stream

[@bunnyonabunwithagunnicepun5689]

DOOM is literally one of, if not the most, videogames of all time. This is how Boomers see modern videogames like Cruelty Squad,like it's GOT elements of an old videogame, but it's just too much.

[@texasred8424]

i was like screaming at my screen during the squares part "STOP FUCKING SAYING SUS"

[@epicinternet8474]

whole video had me questioning who i was watching with the civie references and decino mentions, baller shit

[@BierBart12]

Whenever I see the bright blue Wolfenstein 3d soldiers I just think of the Monopoly policeman

[@CaptainTak]

3:08 "that's so funny I wasn't expecting the nazi's to show up." -Poland, 1939

[@DerpinGoose]

fascinating video, knocked out of the park here

[@schlarfblrfsch]

This is what I thought Lock-On technology was gonna be like

[@azericthetraveller6355]

One thing I’d love to see Greyfruit play is TimeTripper by Halley Labs. It’s a doom 2 mod with 20 or so levels and a unique song made by Halley Labs for each level. All of the songs are really good, but the levels are way difficult. It’s a bit archvile heavy throughout, but I found it really fun.

[@walnzell9328]

Nuts is an accurate depiction of the manpower available to hell's armies.

[@plxlnnt]

tainted isaac doom, cycling between the two of them

[@ZebraOnYourNose]

"Hate to break it to ya, it's balls!" has to be the funniest thing Grayfruit has casually said in his entire streaming career

[@ZebraOnYourNose]

28:25 timestamp because I just can't stop laughing at this part

[@damntony1]

This video is like when you're a kid at a birthday party and mix all the drinks into a concoction

[@sirsmoss7362]

3:07 “that’s so funny I didn’t expect the nazis to show up” Neither did Poland…

[@Killerdude2000]

quality grayfruit content

[@lakotacorff4012]

If you want more Doom havoc, try these. Mock 2: The Speed of Stupid DooD and Doow The Sky May Be UAC Military Nightmare and Before The Nightmare Wow.wad

[@lolo-yb7fp]

do you still have the sky may be wad?

[@finniganroverfield1753]

0:32 Manhunt 2 Finisher: the Wad

[@Wheagg]

Probably Heretic/Hexen use different color output in the og engine, and GZdoom can't pick more than one color space even if theoretically they both output to modern 24 bit color, because the devs never thought it would need to use both. Edit: also the choice seems to be based on the map rather than the wad that's loaded first.

[@crackerjaq9974]

Yooooo new grayfruit video let's gooo

[@RedMenace0]

4:32 CIVVIE JOKE OUR MAN GREYFRUIT IS BASED

[@jtobecalled7543]

Now this is how Shigeru Miyamoto always wanted Doom to be played!!!

[@casssaph2287]

"i've been playing with my wad" lol lmao