I hate to admit this, but that 'bat' pun at 15:40 was not intentional. But talk about your happy accidents!
@kushkungvivo7446 жыл бұрын
Marco Bucci you're a genius
@pitrek121g6 жыл бұрын
My happy accident was finding your channel! So helpful, cheers!
@JPR4Y6 жыл бұрын
Marco Bucci Sooo Beaurifuuulll The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything.
@MusicalRaichu6 жыл бұрын
don't worry, i didn't even bat an eylid. while i agree that it's best to consider colour from the outset, you did remind me that values play a significant role which i kind of forgot--i should watch your earlier videos again. hey i never knew about gradient map. i wouldn't use it to colour an image, but it might come in handy to achieve interesting effects.
@thatlolou69675 жыл бұрын
lol xDDD I rly love your way of talking tho, it motivates a lot, somehow!! ^^ and your lessons are soooooo helpful, tysm~!! x3
@i5anna10005 жыл бұрын
I have another suggestion: While working in Photoshop, go to: Window--> Arrange --> Another window for (your image). It creates an identical image beside it, in another tab. You can turn that image into grayscale by going to: View --> Proof Setup --> working gray. This way, you're painting in colours while watching your values. It's the best way I've found.
@marcobucci5 жыл бұрын
Just tried this. Works great! Thanks for the tip.
@Szczurzyslawa5 жыл бұрын
OOOOH I was searching forever how to do that in PS, thank you! (I've seen it before but totally forgot)
@soulcatproductions5 жыл бұрын
Oooh yes! And for people on the iPad (like procreate), go to settings -> shortcuts, and turn on triple click home button for instant greyscale switch!
@alexiz00135 жыл бұрын
That's an awesome tip!
@EchoOfTheVoid5 жыл бұрын
and if your software doesn't have a function like this, you can add a black fill layer on top, and switch it to color. then just flick it on and off to check values from time to time. its what i do in krita :)
@Zombie-gd6fw6 жыл бұрын
This video contains more knowledge than all hours of painting class on the 1st year of my studies together. Thank you. EDIT. Omg, I didn't know there are so many people in similar situation. :O Hope you progress every day~
@Pegaite6 жыл бұрын
Same!!
@SleepyMatt-zzz6 жыл бұрын
Same. My school was shit.
@derickdoveglass5 жыл бұрын
Sshhhhh🤫
@brendananimation5 жыл бұрын
yeah... that about sums it
@esahutske5 жыл бұрын
Derick Dove 🤣🤣🤣
@a.krishna39246 жыл бұрын
I actually...find gray scale - color more difficult, I don't get how ppl do it, because the color afterwards never turn out how I want it
@SFingaz_Fo205 жыл бұрын
the most important thing to have is the correct greyscale values when using blendmodes. and use multiply not soft light overlay etc unless you know what ur doing. simply turning down saturation doesnt give you the true values. instead make a black n white adjustment layer and set everything to 100% to get the correct values. painting in this way give the exaact same result as if you where to glaze and oil painting
@zorro7275 жыл бұрын
Cause u are noob
@a.krishna39245 жыл бұрын
StickyFingazFO20 I mean I can make a solid painting if I start grey scale but I feel like it won't be as good if I start with color right away. I do photography, if I'm planning to take BnW pics, I wouldn't take pics with color settings and then turning it BnW digitally later, because I won't aesthetically see it in bnw..if that makes sense.
@a.krishna39245 жыл бұрын
NPC Pika96 i know
@izzyr95905 жыл бұрын
I think its mainly for people that thinks about gray scale and values first before colours. Some people find it really hard to decide what colour they want to use. Its easier to switch colours around this way. For example, if im designing a character with complex clothing and I dont know if he or she should wear black or red sweater, I would do gray scale first. and then try on these colours.
@Blacksunshine28024 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed! This guy is not your average "how to draw" youtuber. We got some clean and analytic explanation useful for even professionals. Not to mention the incredible illustrations and real time examples making it so easily understandable. I wish you were my mentor. Hats off!
@marcobucci4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Novanim5 жыл бұрын
Marco Bucci just single-handedly saved thousands of dollars worth of art classes to most art students in the worlds with this amazing video.
@marcobucci5 жыл бұрын
haha, thanks for watching! This video is presented with a hefty bias (even attached that in the video's title) so do be sure to further explore the grayscale technique, both on your own and from artists who favour it, so you may ultimately come to your own decision(s)! All the best with your work,
@jimshoos5272 Жыл бұрын
😂❓
@KatBlaque4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. I tried this technique the other day (I paint in color) and it was so frustrating and I couldn't igure out why. Was hard for me to not feel like a failure. ._.
@anormalandnon-suspiciousbo52904 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t expect you to be here, I love your vids :D
@raspberryjamus2874 жыл бұрын
Kat blaque? On my painting tutorial? Lmao surprised to see you here
@roverclover31784 жыл бұрын
It was so easy for me
@SlayPlenty3 жыл бұрын
failing is fine.
@laniakeas922 жыл бұрын
You are just very good in understanding colors. That's why it feels wrong and artificial for you. In nature it doesn't work this way
@thiagoolive286 жыл бұрын
it's amazing how you get straight to the point of the topics that we students want to know (but nobody explained) ... just THANK YOU very much!!! (your book is unbelievable)
@marcobucci6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@autumn34322 жыл бұрын
a lot of people say grayscale to color is very easy to beginner, but I think, its work only for artist that already has a very good understanding about color
@JaelBreton5 жыл бұрын
Wow! After all these years of trying to understand or trying to accept coloring from greyscale to color, I finally found the answer! Many artists encourage this method but I always struggled because it never felt complete or cohesive. So many extra steps just to include color. Sometimes I'd rather just keep it greyscale and call it finish. But I love color. Another answer you gave me that I didn't even know I was looking for was how to start with color. I was mind blown when you mentioned you started with neutral colors and added more or less saturation based on how you felt along the way. That's such an amazing way, I must try. Thank you so much for this video. It's just what I needed to start changing.
@leileaves49473 жыл бұрын
I watched this years ago and as a result, I stopped trying to push grayscale to color method. Now we're here and found that it's the best method for me! I agree with the reasons why grayscale to color doesn't feel right like about controlling the edges. So what I did was I just added my own twist in the technique. Instead of rendering the drawing in grayscale, I apply the color layer first (I use soft light instead color layer mode), then I make a new layer where I render the values + colors. That way I have more control! I do have a video of my digital art process so if you're interested you can check it out. You just really need to find a way to make things work sometimes. I struggle a lot with colors that's why I chose to give this method another try!
@alleycatblues8656 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. I learned Digital Painting in school doing the greyscale to color method and It always felt off. I forced myself to do it because that is how I was taught. I not only hated how my pieces were turning out, I really disliked the process... I feel that's something important that artists don't talk about enough. Once I shunned what I was taught and started digitally painting straight to color, it was fun again. My work has increased and so has my mental state, haha!
@corylcreates5 жыл бұрын
"The way your process feels to you has a significant outcome." I think this sums up why some people love this technique and others don't. I struggle with value and identifying value (maybe I'm just a bad artist), so taking the time to focus on shadows and light helps me to improve my sense of form in a painting. It also helps me to not use flat colours in a cel-shading style. I get the option to practice blending edges, paying attention to light and shadow, and focusing on form and shape. When I move to the colour, I don't use Overlay, Multiply, or Color; I use Light layers (soft light, hard light, etc.) and those act different as well. I get the chance to see how the colour works in the value and adjust based on my eye. My process doesn't take a saturated colour, smear it over the values, and then call it done. I have a very different way of painting than you do. Your art uses lots of textured brushes to add accents, and that's not how I paint. I don't need to add colour to a halftone brush or a broken glass brush, because that's not part of my process. I use fewer than three brushes in my art. Your technique, however, relies on those splashes of coloured texture for the "expression" in your image. The techniques you demonstrated to do colour are glazing, and that's not everyone's process either. I'm paused right now at 12:18 just because what you said really made me want to say all this. :P It's very interesting to see your process and how different it is to mine.
@blankflank34884 жыл бұрын
I pretty much completely agree with you. I only JUST started with digital art, so I'm a noob, but I would like to at least try grayscale to color. I totally understand what he's saying about it being extra work, but I don't think it's too bad if you use a different style with fewer colors, and a different approach to adding the color. I just watched a Draw with Jazza video where his grayscale-to-color image looked great and seemed really fast, becuz it was relatively simple and stylized. Bucci's style seems to be replicating that of real life paint, while I like a more... I dunno, artificial feel to my work? Like a cartoon with rather simplistic colors and values, but with realistic proportions and stuff. However I'd like to branch out to make not a "real" painting, but practice more with realistic shading instead of, as you said, cell-shading style, which I think will also help me branch out to not needing to use (often bold) lineart when I feel like giving that a try.
@SylvesterMassey6 жыл бұрын
Always waiting for Marco Bucci's color theory videos !
@endhirs60596 жыл бұрын
Sylvester Massey same xdd
@marcobucci5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sylvester!
@hazelhen54015 жыл бұрын
colour is by far the most daunting aspect of a picture for me. Maybe its because I'm colourblind. I often run into a wall where my colours don't look quite right, even to me, when I start greyscale - but I can actually finish an image without stressing so much haha
@anima945 жыл бұрын
Another thing you didn't mention (I think) is drawing straight with color but having a pure black layer on top that is set to saturation(this turns it into grayscale without changing the values like desaturating normally does). Then you can enable this layer from time to time to see your values and disable again to continue painting in color.
@RalvinTY4 жыл бұрын
I'm at the beginner stage. That is why I am using values for now. Since back when I was a total noob. I just pringled colors into my art like a maniac. So, I just wanted to understand values much more. So, I chose to work with values.
@ratulebah34973 жыл бұрын
Me too I'm a beginner when I color my painting it looks ugly cause I don't understand color theory so that's why I learn about values first then the color theory
@deejjohn52796 жыл бұрын
I've seen a couple comments that mention that glazing shouldn't be used as a technique in painting, and this is just untrue. The old masters didn't do it soley out of necessity, they also did it to achieve radiant, almost glowing tones. The under layers reflect through the glaze layers and give an effect that can only be achieved through glazing. This is all speaking about oil painting though, so is it different on Photoshop? Im not entirely sure. But to say that glazing is a beginner technique, or that it isn't worth the time- is just Ill informed.
@sianmilne48795 жыл бұрын
Also watercolour is like 80% glazing, not just oils
@markcooperartcomofficial5 жыл бұрын
"Glazing" in photoshop also helps make colors look richer.
@erixlloliver-darkmusic5 жыл бұрын
The only clever comment in this video!
@h-voltage5 жыл бұрын
I think its completely different in Photoshop. In oil all the benefits of the glazing technique comes from the material itself. How light bounces off and scatters through the different layers, how different pigments let colours through, etc. It's a physical phenomenon. None of this is applicable to digital "glazing". Even if you take a photo of an old master's work, a lot of the extra quality of the glazing will get lost.
@SEGAClownboss3 жыл бұрын
I never used the grayscale method and I had such a hard time with it cos it seemed like every concept artist used it. I always just splotched colour right from the beginning. These are the very flaws you brought up here, and you also gave me some other useful tips. Much obliged, Marco.
@shawn.m.schmidt5 жыл бұрын
Both approaches are correct to the purpose of a particular piece. The benefit of the grisaille technique, when done traditionally, is it can let an inner light created in the monochromatic layer come through the glazing that just isn't quite possible when working with opaque color. That being said I haven't been able to work out the same effect when working with digital paints. The commentary is a valid perspective. But, so is working in value first, in the right setting.
@titus93034 жыл бұрын
I feel like the greyscale method works great for drawing focused artists for more comicbook type work, and can really help them get exposure to the color world if they are lacking. The non greyscale methods would obviously be more appealing for those painter focused artists and of course the work style that goes with it. There are all kind of hybrids and thats great. Just do what fits you. its just amazing to have to many options and styles, just keep creating 👍
@SleepyMatt-zzz6 жыл бұрын
I wish I had teachers like you in university. Your audio book gave me a lot to think about. Especially the "art is not academia" line.
@XPSChaos6 жыл бұрын
I was literally going to email you asking about this the other day. What kind of mind reading wizard are you?
@shadabshadman78276 жыл бұрын
A bucci good one...
@THUNGUNS6 жыл бұрын
A colourful one
@a-carvalho87516 жыл бұрын
Dude, I gotta say you have some of the most eloquent explanations I've ever heard about actually almost anything, not just related to art. I'm in love with your channel content. Keep it up!
@marcobucci6 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@chrantheman5 жыл бұрын
You pronounce everything very clearly, have a nice tone of voice and explain everything so even a very novice painter like me understood your process, thank you very much for this video Marco.
@LionArtStudio5 жыл бұрын
You are truely a colour master......I love the way you use colour & light , & I instantly recognise your work without even knowing it’s yours. I hope one day I’m able to paint this expressively, & width such conviction.
@marcobucci5 жыл бұрын
That's a huge compliment - thanks a lot :)
@LionArtStudio5 жыл бұрын
@@marcobucci you've earned it!
@starfart694 жыл бұрын
"I kinda feel like I'm painting on glass or something" Artists who paint on glass: I will pretend I didn't see this
@popenieafantome95273 жыл бұрын
Different medians, different preferences.
@marksan5043 Жыл бұрын
I have once made an illustration of new york for a studio in grey scale i drew every little detail about Manhattan, time square and i took 2 months drawing that grey scale painting.. when i wanted to color it it was a big disappointment I wasn't able to create that harmony between the colours and shapes/values/edges.. so i understand everything you said in the video and absolutely agree, you are an amazing teacher please keep going!
@CosmicLeche4 жыл бұрын
In the past few years, I've started painting digitally a lot more, and not too long ago, an art teacher of mine held a intense, five day traditional painting workshop thats focal point was working with colours. It was like acrylic bootcamp. I learned a lot during the whole thing, and I basically modelled my digital painting technique after it. Then, during a feedback session, I had that same teacher tell me I should use the greyscale to colour technique. Lots of mixed messages in that school.
@eiwaMovies6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very good video. Still I think that you missed one major point: You ARE already a professional. You know how values, shapes, light and so on work. The problem is, that everybody starts out with colors and gets into this "Microsoft Paint" style with the colors, because they get easily confused and they often spend many years to figure out what is wrong in their art. Seperating colors from the other aspects is something I highly recommend everyone who starts out with art. You should focus on the fundamentals first before trying to get to expression. I totally agree with you on that point, throwing in the colors more quickly is mostly more expressive but nothing we should start with if we really want to improve. It helps me a lot, to leave out the colors first and I learned a lot about, why my colors did not work in the painting. Greyscale to color IS a very hard thing to do, because we often don't understand the connection between colors and values as you have shown in this video. But by using this technique we will learn from it and understand how this all works together until, if we prefere it that way, start painting directly in color. Greyscale is also a way to figure out compositions much easier, btw :) Also you should consider, that you have a very painterly style which is really not fitting for the greyscale technique. I think it depends also much on what you want to paint and what style you are doing :) Have a nice day and looking forward to your next video!
@rainbowfox19345 жыл бұрын
I understand what you are saying. I have focused almost entirely on color. It is like learning a language. Focusing on color language gives you fluency. Then, learn to do a griselle with color in mind from the beginning. Complete.
@sarahkturner88626 жыл бұрын
You can always make even the smallest things about painting really interesting to learn about! Starting off immediately with color definitely gives more expression and energy to a piece, and I like the multiple options you gave in turning grayscale into color. I still personally prefer to start off with a grayscale sketch in my paintings, but I know I’ll start to think of how to preserve shapes and edges with the opaque color layers from now on!
@jujucatjuca5 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I never really liked the grayscale to color technique. Your points on how it makes it harder to incorporate color later helped me figure out why.
@emil-94325 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t think of painting grayscale to convert it to color, just because it’s simpler for me to do it with color from the start. But I watched this video anyway, and I learned so much from it regardless! You are truly the best resource on painting, on the web, and off the web. So much pure knowledge - I grow as an artist after watching each of your videos. Thank you so much!
@KaidaYukiFan4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, this video literally instantly changed my life. I’ve painted more pieces I’m happy with in the 24 hours after watching this + your other videos on color than I have in the past three years, it’s like you flipped on the switch in my brain enabling me to paint with color. So glad I decided to click on this
@milksweet60385 жыл бұрын
You have a wonderful radio voice! Thanks for the video I’m a gouache & watercolor painter who doesn’t really understand how to paint digitally but have been trying to wrap my head around what ppl are doing when I see a painting start in greyscale & end in color & not understanding why it looks off to me personally. Love the way you paint!
@marcobucci5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@thewicca68965 жыл бұрын
Gosh that painting is beautiful. I wish I had the patience to work on something that massive.
@sigel_studio Жыл бұрын
yep, totally relatable, the thing with greyscale is it shoul work as a reference, but you need to paint everything again in color. its usefull to have a filter that previews the values of your actual color painting.
@Kayseurounet6 жыл бұрын
Agreed with everything you've said in this video. I myself have been using the "gateway" method for a while now, and I'm starting to feel more&more comfortable with direct colors, so I definitely encourage other people to do the same if they're in that same "in-between" spot.
@CaptainFutureman5 жыл бұрын
I love the little tip to sketch in greyscale, but then start colouring early. That kind of gives you the best of both worlds. Definitely going to use that for a bit.
@bldaugh5 жыл бұрын
I like grayscale to color pieces, but only if they're used to convey a certain atmosphere in a painting. For instance, it works really well to me if the artist is trying to convey a sad, detached/eerie emotion in a piece or is trying to portray early morning/evening light. However, I don't like it when it is used in pieces that are attempting happier, livelier imagery because the grayscale creates too many desaturated tones that express the opposite of what is intended by the artist, which confuses the viewer. I think grayscale to color is fine as long as it is used appropriately and can have some really cool effects. This was a really great and informative video. You're really good at explaining art processes in a simple but effective way, which is something that I think most art channels lack. I tend to get lost when people try to explain concepts like this. However, I easily understood your message here. : - )
@flipChoco22835 жыл бұрын
this was really helpful!! ive always heard that greyscale to colour was so much easier but after seeing this, id rather not change. using colour first is way more fun and less daunting.
@syltmacka73556 жыл бұрын
That's exactly how i've felt whenever i do it! and i always thought i was just very terrible at comprehending value to color. It might be that some artists have a stronger desire for color expression which would make color first more important. honestly i think the method comes down to what the artist strives for most.
@Lambda123576 жыл бұрын
"Right off the bat" while painting Batman, I hope the pun was intended!
@marcobucci6 жыл бұрын
It ... was not.
@dizeart5 жыл бұрын
@@marcobucci this is so disappointing
@Psil06 жыл бұрын
Pretty much the solution I'm slowly building up to. I got stuck recently with trying to add color to a detailed grayscale and hating both the result and experience... I ended up either having to redo everything afterward in color if I wanted to achieve a nice raw look, or simply accepting that it would look kinda muddy. Realized that introducing colors much earlier in the process would still allow me to focus on shapes at first (without color intruding in the process) but would let me have fun with the expressiveness of the colors and detailing process.
@raf74hawk125 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how you thoroughly explained why you don't like this process without making it some proclamation of judgment about how "if you do it this way it's wrong!" Great video!
@UmouMais6 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you Marco. Everytime I begin with color I feel that my art gets a better result. I think this is related to what you said about joy and fun while painting, because lets admit, painting in grayscale first is really boring. And another thing I was just wondering... I dont know any traditional painter who does grayscale technique, so why would we do that right? It is unnatural...
@RubyLime16 жыл бұрын
I don't think that what traditional painters do is what you should be going off - digital art is a very different medium.
@buttbuttyawn32806 жыл бұрын
@@RubyLime1 Shapes, Value, Edges and Colour (as well as brushwork and a decent amount of other choices) are just as important to consider in both digital and traditional painting. To say that you shouldn't learn from the process of of traditional artists because the medium is different is not something I can agree with at all. Sure, the nuances of your medium are different, but if you go back and watch any of Marco's process videos for traditional art (his watercolour boat painting, for example) he's still employing exactly the same decision making process as he does digitally in a lot of the earlier structure stages and the overall composition of a piece.
@Pegaite6 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who likes to start with colors! My art teacher is always talking about grayscale and putting the colors afterwards, but it really takes away the fun with art...
@RubyLime16 жыл бұрын
@@buttbuttyawn3280 Oh no don't take it the wrong way; I was referring to him saying "I dont know any traditional painter who does grayscale technique, so why would we do that right? It is unnatural...". This is kind of close-minded thinking if you approach digital painting. I very well know how important traditional painting is to digital painting and how they bridge between each other, but saying that because traditional painters don't do something that digital artists do is suddenly "unnatural" is what I had gripes with. I probably should have phrased my original comment differently :)
@buttbuttyawn32806 жыл бұрын
@@RubyLime1 Ah, I see what you mean now! That makes perfect sense and totally agreed. Apologies, we'll meet halfway and say it was your phrasing and my lack of reading and misinterpretation too, haha.
@JSpyx Жыл бұрын
I know this video is 4 years old...but really thank you. I knew there was something off with gray-scale painting vs coloring. Ive done both, but I just...didn't feel the same with applying colors to a grayscale. I just...wanted to create color values on the go, as Im coloring on already established colors. I always thought the grayscale to color was the superior method when it comes to painting efficiently, but it does go to sacrificing some value etc. I'm just glad this video exist , that another profession artist prefers to not go with the grayscale method.
@erym74836 жыл бұрын
The "gateway" version reminds me lf what my traditional painting teacher had us do. We never went into a full grayscale painting but maybe 30% and painted ontop. Enough to get the main shapes, because doing a full grayscale and then color feels like painting it twice. Coloring ontop of grayscale digitally is tricky. You have to be a wiz at layer modes and picking colors. Most have desatutated tone and feeling because they go with the values. I think it works depending on the piece, but in general is pretty limiting due to how bright and saturated the colors can possibly look. So for me it's easier to learn grayscale > gateway method > full color
@scribbles14405 жыл бұрын
I just want to say thank you for including a transitional/introductory way to start painting directly with color. I'm still not 100% comfortable with color, but I'm really great with values. So I've been doing the initial process and playing to my strengths. But I'm glad you included a way for me to start experimenting with color.
@addiowl85383 жыл бұрын
I tend to overlook my painting as a whole when I use color(and I can never do it correctly) so I guess doing value first makes is easier for me
@amylunden82462 жыл бұрын
This is such a superb video in so many ways. I’m r/g color blind and have been researching grayscale to color after getting back into working digitally. It’s so much easier for me to separate out the value stage without having to deal with color and then using a gradient map followed by direct painting over it with fresh brush strokes. But this video shows how with a little more confidence I might be able to move on and get comfortable working directly in color. Painting on paper or canvas, I can limit myself to three colors and use color theory to confidently mix what I need, but that is much harder to do digitally when you don’t see color well. So thank you so much for this extremely helpful take on the grayscale process!
@Sky-de7oy6 жыл бұрын
Exactly! It always felt weird to me to color like that, like it's lacking something and you said it.
@leporidae-art5 жыл бұрын
i dont paint greyscale, tried it once and hated it from the start. BUT!!!! ALL THE HELPFUL BASIC COLOR THEORY AND PAINTING THINGS MADE ME SUBSCRIBE TO YOU AND IT WAS SO SO SO NICE THAT YOU MENTIONED THE PROFESSIONAL WORLD OF ART AT ALL IN THE VIDEO so yeah youre great thanks for this
@grenader64096 жыл бұрын
Old masters were using grayscale underpainting and their paintings aren't inexpressive. Just use it correctly and then paint over if you wish with color glaze layer or thick normal layer. Grayscale helps to achieve more realistic "Rembrandt" type of painting where you can show form and light interaction with its surface. For cartoon style paintings it just adds complexity.
@ButchCurry6 жыл бұрын
The old masters didn't have much choice. A lot of the oil paint they had access to weren't as opaque as the ones that came along later. White is usually the most opaque of all the colors, and the lead white they had wasn't nearly as opaque as the titanium white that came later. They didn't master grisaille + glazing because it was better, they did it because they didn't have a choice.
@Ryanin2D6 жыл бұрын
Also, you have to consider that grisaille involves layer fat over thin, in which modulating your paint per layer is a technique in and of itself. Marco wasn't putting down grisaille, just expressing why he doesn't use it. With advancements in technology even not including digital painting, grisaille is now a niche that focuses on achieving mood rather than as the predominate tool at the time. Also, Rembrandt spent a shit load of time painting fat over lean on his painting, which is an arduous process that isn't a feasible workflow in most industry pipelines today due to the massive time restraints on projects
@kullenberg6 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the old masters didn't use photoshop.
@LAOK2426 жыл бұрын
So they did an B&W underpainting and then went over it and painted normally on top? They didn't have access to "special layers" so they could've just skipped the underpainging and went straight for it. Their colours look expressive and natural because they were painted straight forward just as you would painting with colour to begin with. The problem with PS is that you end up trying to clean up its mess as the special layers colours look far from natural and you'd be just better off painting in colour to begin with.
@thashai.a5 жыл бұрын
The old masters used earth tones for underpaintings and grisaile. They didnt strictly use black and white they always used red, brown, orcher and earth tones.
@ClearAbyss5 жыл бұрын
The one you did at the 15 minute mark with the gradient map looks so cool! I've never actually tried the grayscale method, but the gradient mapping looks fun to try out.
@marcobucci5 жыл бұрын
It's definitely a nice tool :) There are artists out there who take its use much farther than I did here, so be sure to search that out!
@xuanxh5 жыл бұрын
Even though I find it rather hard and I still struggle, I try to go directly with colors as well. If I start with greyscale, I tend to get "stuck" when I start applying the colors, it just looks dull and washed out. When starting the colors, I add a black layer on color mode to check my values from time to time. It's not easy, but at least I look at the pros: the more I work that way, the more I get used to starting directly with colors :)
@NovusNiveus2 жыл бұрын
I need to thank you for making this video, as it helped me to update and massively improve my process. The first time I watched the video, about 18 months ago, I said 'Humbug, underpainting works and I like it', and I carried on that way until very recently. My wife finally convinced me to stop using this method and it instantly elevated the quality of my painting, and having come back to this video several times since I can see that rendering with color is a superior choice. Of course, grayscale painting is useful for many applications, like when you are learning to implement value or if you need to produce something quick and dirty in order to iterate designs, but for the best value and hue relationships you really do need to render in color - it is not only more controllable (by way of adjustment layers) but also produces cleaner and bolder results. TL;DR: Listen to Marco. Once upon a time I was not ready to receive the learnings, but this is truly the way. 👍
@DL-ty4cu4 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with your assessment and feelings on this method. However, i am trying to do a preliminary value sketch before painting, because it helps me make a lot of composition and lighting choices. When I go to color, i start from 'scratch' again. But I have already though about the values, so the color choices come more naturally to mind.
@Randyrocker16 жыл бұрын
There's sunshine color and there's rainy day gloom grey scale, more like painting over night to make day. I'd much rather see the sunny side, than to be left in a fog. Thanks for making the art world a little brighter.
@LAOK2426 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. Doing greyscale to colour just adds problems and a butt load of unnecessary work, you pretty much have to paint your piece 3 times over (greyscale, colour map, final layer on top) just to achieve the same results. Also colours from overlays, multiplies and colour layers feel extremely artificial, you can immediately tell that it was done by Photoshop. Maybe I'm just buyest because I ale preffer traditional look but this is a tedious technique that's just not worth it.
@oBCHANo4 жыл бұрын
3 times the work if you have no idea what you're doing. There's a reason so many professional artists work that way, several reasons actually.
@Rtz894 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Traditionally I love diving right in with opaque colors and mix them on the canvas itself, leaving pure colors within the neutrals in tiny areas. But when I am creating stuff for concept (from my head and multiple references and I am changing planes and light), doing everything in grayscale saves a crap ton of time. You're not painting it 3 times, and even if you were, it's not at the same speed. Imagine you're painting a metal armor, next to a red fabric (cape) and reflective dragon scales all on the same piece. Figuring out the colors and the values all at the same time will take a lot more trial and error than painting everything with just black and white. You don't even have to switch in between colors on each texture since you're only relying on light. And when you glaze, you can also only use opaque brushstrokes in areas of emphasis or that need more layers. So painting it in grayscale and then add opaque or saturated colors on top is not taking the same time to paint it 3 times. It saves hours of figuring out lighting through color.
@user-kf8fs9zx4g4 жыл бұрын
Seal What are the reasons?
@adhdbookworm4 жыл бұрын
You are so poetic with how you describe colour and it definitely helps me understand art a little bit better.
@Hugop_arts3 жыл бұрын
Really interesting topic. While I wholeheartedly agree and believe in painting with colors, I think for beginners, grayscale painting is an important step for speedier learning. When you still don't have all the fundamentals down, when you have a finished artwork and decide to evaluate it to realize what you need to keep improving on, it might be a bit hard to distinguish if it's a value problem, a color problem or anything in between. Keeping it grayscale allows for less variants and for beginners to take one step at a time. Even though it's a lengthier process at face value (no pun intended) it helps to learn faster because pinpointing your mistakes is easier. The idea though, is to eventually graduate from that and start painting straight with colors.
@Xeikkeiu5 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree on this - and I think my art improved when I stopped using greyscale to color as a crutch. BUT! One thing I like to do for bigger, more planned illustrations is value thumbnails. Basically, after deciding and sketching down the composition, I copy the picture and place many small versions of it in a new document. I then test out different lighting scenarios on them, and try to figure out the rough values for different parts of the picture. Then, I just use those thumbnails on the side as a help, while I go in directly with color on the real illustration.
@markcooperartcomofficial6 жыл бұрын
The black and white method works best for moody dark art with minimal color. You put way too many colors in your art too be messing with that approach.
@WadWizard6 жыл бұрын
That makes sense, its something ive heard about black and white photography and film that the benefit it has is you can get really rich darks, cause with color you can see much more going on in them but in black and white its just black... well not just black theres subtle variation, but its much harder to distinguish than color variations.
@j.25126 жыл бұрын
he said he starts with neutrals for a reason. Yo can add a lot more life even to a dark ambient painting if you add color variety in neutral tones, with temperature shifts , rather than just completely neutral grays. Is not about cheery vs gloomy
@markcooperartcomofficial6 жыл бұрын
I'm saying that you can get away with less colors with that style of art. I didn't say it's a rule.
@EvilSnips5 жыл бұрын
I also think he uses very complicated brush strokes as well which made it hard to color after.
@marcobucci5 жыл бұрын
@@EvilSnips Good point. If you are working as painterly as I do, that choice alone may eliminate the grayscale-to-color method as a viable option.
@motionwindart4 жыл бұрын
12:45 yes this is it, this is how I've seen everyone use this, this is the point, you just set it as a starting point, I've never seen anyone use it as you've use it at the beginning of the video. As a beginner this is great because you get to experience how things should look like, I mean as you get more experience it doesn't make sense to continue to use it because it's served its purpose, it helped you build knowledge, with that knowledge you can just go straight in color.
@Outpost676 жыл бұрын
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@lunehowls5 жыл бұрын
this got 69 likes XD
@bellenesatan5 жыл бұрын
Pussy gang is what I've been mumbling reading this.
@ashleym.72335 жыл бұрын
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@ClashixTV4 жыл бұрын
that ballroom painting is one of the best digital art pieces i've ever seen. the colours are just amazing. I love the windows and lights. and that dress holy crap. how on earth do you do this. :D ;(
@muskturtle84065 жыл бұрын
I find painting directly in color is easier, the hue and saturation also affect values, that means I only need to get the value at about 70-80% correct, the rest will be done by the colors once I get the colors right.
@tommie37002 жыл бұрын
Learning greyscale to colour would be especially detrimental when you're painting skin. If you're so used to working with values _only_ you'll probably fall into the common mistake that shadows and highlights are just darker and brighter versions of the base skin tone, which is why skin ends up looking waxy, lifeless and flat. Skin is made up of at least 10 different shades, with different saturation and brightness. I think it's much easier to go from painting colour to painting values than the other way around.
@Scereyaha5 жыл бұрын
This is a large part of why I use this more as a middle step. Like paint in colour, and then when you have problems getting the values just right, make a grey-scale copy and fit that, before going back to colour... it also helps to pick your primary highlight midtone and shadow colour and add a gradient map to the greyscale, thus ensuring that the colours respect all the same shaped and boundaries of their related tones... even if you have to do it in a couple different selections... They say, just before he brings up the gradient map
@wzrdpwrs44265 жыл бұрын
For its like most things in the world, starting with values is a tool for certain medias. Being a painterly artist worried about strokes etc then ya starting with values makes no sense at all. If your a concept art using say a digital matte painting style then starting with values make way more sense and works. Different media and styles utilize different tools.
@AmanaHB5 жыл бұрын
I'm really impressed with the explanation you provided about not being able to associate the colors with their correct value in this method. It is probabmy the core of the problem yet I've never heard any other artist addressing it before !
@marek_tarnawski6 жыл бұрын
My solution for this problem has always been the like presented in the video. Stopping on grayscale image as early as possible and then and then moving with color till the end.
@littlecurrybread3 жыл бұрын
Everyone owes it to themselves to watch these videos more than once. So much stuff that I didn’t catch the first time.
@JEQvideos5 жыл бұрын
I disagree. If anyone wants to jump right into color from the get go because it's fun or more expressive for them, great. Whatever works for you as an artist. For me, reducing the complexity of the work by doing a greyscale first allows me to get the structure of the image down quickly. Then doing the color in a non-destructive manner allows me to explore my color choices and make major changes at pretty much any stage. You associate converting greyscale to color with glazing on another layer-which is basically you coloring the greyscale with whatever tones you pick in the moment. So yeah, I can see that leading to a disconnected feel. But you don't have to do that to convert. I use the gradient map method you mentioned but not as an "automatic" thing. I would lay one down over the entire composition to tie everything together and then blend in additional ones as needed. You could have one for each object if necessary. These will allow you to explore options very quickly and can be changed at any point until you flatten them. And that is in addition to all the other options you have--other types of adjustment layers, filters, direct painting, etc. The ease and flexibility of doing it this was are immense. Starting with color just looks like hell. Even if I was working in traditional media I would do greyscale and color studies before committing to a major painting.
@marcobucci5 жыл бұрын
Thanks JEQ - these are all good points. As with any video presenting a bias (mine being the opposite of yours on this, it seems), people will come in on either end of it. Hopefully nobody views my video here as a blanket condemnation of the grayscale technique. I did my best to not present it that way - rather, as things to simply think about. And I hope people read comments like yours, are prompted to explore beyond just this video, then make up their own minds. All the best,
@rcrisroiu44205 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! I thought I was rather lonely in not liking the process of going grayscale first and then adding color; it definitely has it's perks and I use it too! Although I much much prefer doing starting with color/painting in color; it makes painting truly fun.
@keithartworker5 жыл бұрын
very well articulated. Thank you!
@a13monkey6 жыл бұрын
Always love your art tips Marco. They way you cut right to the point on the technical stuff, but then express your thoughts when making artistic decisions is exactly what I need to get my mind thinking creatively. I prefer painting with color first as well.
@Nyajinsky5 жыл бұрын
I never understood how to make greyscale to color and was planing to learn it because everybody was saying how better it is. now I don't want to anymore. and I don't even draw the color-y way you do. plus I use color picker too much. that would be impossible in that way.
@reportaccount4745 жыл бұрын
a lot of the time, greyscale is just used to find contrast. if you need help with contrast, you might use greyscale. hope this helps :)
@yurei80045 жыл бұрын
Color picker is an extremely bad practice just saying
@g.mcdonald33565 жыл бұрын
@@yurei8004 Or....everyone could just finds what works for them...
@MacMalte6 жыл бұрын
you are so dang right - painting with color as early as possible is so much more fun to me :)
@ragecandy6 жыл бұрын
idk for me it's the opposite, I prefer having a desaturated look and then paint a few highly saturated areas on top
@CelesteTM985 жыл бұрын
You are so expressive and articulate, I am so amazed. Thank you for uploading!
@OverH196 жыл бұрын
This isn't related to the topic but have anyone ever told you that you and YongYea sound almost exactly the same? Both in tone and the way you speak.
@marcobucci6 жыл бұрын
The real question is: how can you know we're not actually the same person?
@ujtyhbfgtfsdxz5 жыл бұрын
@@marcobucci *x-files theme plays*
@marcobucci5 жыл бұрын
@Lime lol. This is getting outta control.
@drkmgic4 жыл бұрын
Omg has I cannot unhear!!
@ericakilbourn97166 жыл бұрын
This is the video I've been waiting for. 👍 A lot of famous artists use the b&w to color technique and it looks fantastic. But side note. They still scumble and glaze semi-opaque colors to finish the piece. They still end up using solid colors.
@agumaffione6 жыл бұрын
what I do, as I'm still not so used to color, I open two windows of the same file but one in black and white. I hope that it would be useful to someone. Great video, thanks.
@noname-rj7dx6 жыл бұрын
Agustin Maffione I put a black and white filter over it whenever I need to check on my values
@camilabalvar5 жыл бұрын
men... you have no idea how much you helped me right now! I was stuck for ours trying to make a color palet work.
@whatwouldjeebusdo3776 жыл бұрын
painting with value and then adding color is only a temporary state in an artists development, meant to help the artist gain a better understanding of value and color both. its not meant to be a technique . Bucci is way past that stage so of course he can now focus fully on his already honed understandings and wield those to shape his expression. many artists just arent at that stage in their development where they know their tools well enough to stand upon them and use them towards their fullest expression. Before you can run and even fly, you have to be able to walk.
@abandonedaccount7476 жыл бұрын
agreed
@brandy19995 жыл бұрын
Tell that to Bouguereau, Rembrandt and hundreds of other masters that used grisaille (aka starting with monochrome underpainting) all the time. Stop making posts about things you dont understand pls, no clue why this is upvoted so much.
@Apusays5 жыл бұрын
Sorry I had to disagree with you. If you actually worked with AAA company, you'll appreciate this technique as the client will ALWAYS wanted to change things, especially the colours.
@yellowspike33445 жыл бұрын
I dont think its a temporary state because if you look at other artist like one of the more famous one, ross draws he uses a lot of techniques like grayscale and bunch of other effects but it's the end result that matters to him.
@igors56374 жыл бұрын
@@brandy1999 Grisaille doesnt work in digital, the light scattering is not simulated.
@CourtneyCoulson5 жыл бұрын
I'm a pen and ink artist who rarely works with colour but I found this fascinating.
@eybietie6 жыл бұрын
clicking like before watching means something!
@CptKosher4 жыл бұрын
Good video! I've found that working gray scale first can help me figure out my values but it is sometimes better to start the painting over in color with the grey scale as more of a reference to fall back on. James Gurney pointed out in his blog a similar tip with the use of reference pictures, as to use black and white photos instead of color, but to each their own. I think it is interesting how Alex Ross (who primarily used gouache), paints in black in white first and adds color on top after, because it really doesn't show in a lot of his illustrations
@agumgumelar37806 жыл бұрын
you best teacher sir👏
@peasantrobot5 жыл бұрын
you good friend! me likes!
@agumgumelar37805 жыл бұрын
😆
@ladylaurita5 жыл бұрын
This makes me feel so much less crazy. I know I'm doing stuff wrong with the grayscale approach, and I think if I were further along in my skills I could make it work during the color phase. But right now the shape logic does not make sense to me, and this explains EXACTLY what my brain could not comprehend when I had tried the grayscale->color method. Thank you for breaking this down!
@kamiko80216 жыл бұрын
lol...showed us how to paint with grayscale while condemning it on the low. Good one
@delamaros4 жыл бұрын
perhasp there are billion of vids on internet about this tecnique....but is the first time I see that good explained, thank you
@sociallyresponsiblexenomor76085 жыл бұрын
Greyscale is used frequently by concept artists though remember. If you did a design for a company, and they tell you to change it's colors....
@robinfox44405 жыл бұрын
Your tutorials are incredible; thank you so much for making them. This is the kind of instruction I needed 15 years ago when I was starting in art back in high school.
@Skilital4 жыл бұрын
Who came here after CD video?
@TheTenthBlueJay4 жыл бұрын
Yup
@MightyXelf4 жыл бұрын
of course :)
@CelticBotansDigitalArt6 жыл бұрын
That's literally how I think about colors and all the reasons why I don't like to work greyscale to colors either. I've done it before though and it was instinctively exactly how you showed in the end (defining values on a sketch, introducing the colors and painting everything merges from there). Excellent video as usual!
@nancydriessen5946 жыл бұрын
Almost done with watching but thank you so much, this helps a lot!
@Ryanin2D6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being the best art teacher on KZbin Marco