Great Authors - Neoclassical and Romantic Literature - Goethe, Faust

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[@marshalmcdonald7476]

I'm not even 4 minutes in and i feel like i'm at a rock concert. This man gives off so much energy. Grateful for people like this. Can't wait to hear more.

[@xXxBladeStormxXx]

Like i'm at a Kamelot concert*

[@jaimelugo4428]

Professor Sugrue is a magician with words and rhetoric... simply incredible

[@kungfooshoo]

I am having such a good time listening to all of these.

[@razzledazzle7153]

R.i.P. Legend of Legends.

[@mashable8759]

I just really love the way Dr says 'NOW'. i can't believe this is free. Really grateful i found Dr Michael. I could never pay attention like i did to this video to any of the lectures ive attended in college. Brilliant

[@themattkellyshow]

THIS! It's a very cat-like "nyeow".

[@ThaRuralJuror]

I love this. "Now..."

[@enlightenedanalysis1071]

Thank you Dr. Sugrue. This was one of the most instructive and inspirational lectures I've listened to. Great lessons to learn here from Goethe's Faust. Much appreciate your dedication to this line of work.

[@thattimestampguy]

0:27 A Dramatic Poem, A Genre all it's own 2:27 1770s *Characters* 5:19 Faust - a man failing to find satisfaction, stuck in boredom and pointlessness 8:05 Mephastaphiles - The force of "No." Negation. 9:35 Gretchen - Innocence, "The Eternal Feminine Leads Us Aloft." Desire is purified by Activity *Action* 11:18 Book 1: Microcosm Knowledge of Love wins 12:20 God Devil Job/God Mephastaphiles Faust 13:28 Easter Bells 15:42 Lets get out of Drunkeness, Back to Youth - Back to Lust 18:19 Falling in Love 19:30 Gretchen uneasy about Mephastaphiles 21:23 Valentine wishes to even the score 22:13 Gretchen pursued by Guilt 23:13 Witch's Sabbath, Red Mouse 24:54 Is Saved 27:00 Striving to create 28:42 Classical Runthrough 32:05 Expansion of Boundaries *Themes* 36:45 Activity and Passivity, 39:30 Overcoming 40:40 Being and Doing, Recompence, Virtue reward

[@Othimbo]

Thank you, my brother!

[@pbberger2002]

Every time I watch another episode I feel my literacy expand. I'm smart enough to know I'm no intellectual, but I'm not stupid either. Thank you!

[@crosstolerance]

Very well put!

[@kasparhauser5357]

Found a little treasure here! Never thought there was anyone outside Germany (and here they are/were also just a few) who can fully realize and beautifully articulate the dimension of this epic work and most detailed picrure of man. Greetings and best wishes from Germany

[@aleksl7459]

How beautiful truly to have discovered this channel. I may not have the possibility of leading a contemplative life but you good Sir raise my consciousness daily. Thank you Thank you Dr. Sugrue for these brilliant lectures!

[@johndee3301]

NOW....we must think differently about boring intellectual lectures. NOW... they are not boring anymore. NOW... thanks to Michael Sugrue putting them online.

[@Ericwest1000]

Thank you, Professor Sugrue, for your great learning and wonderful command of the classics of the Western Tradition. Bravo!

[@CharlesAustin]

To think that this leadership and grasp of thought and the history of this high thought, has been available? for decades is so heart wrenching. I would have been an avid listener from the beginning. Life saving and life enlarging lectures like this are purest gold. The in-depth language, so linked to this treasure of acquired thought is unquenchingly satisfying !! We thirst for more !! Thank you Dr Sugrue !!

[@obladioblada6932]

This series of philosophical lectures definitively changed the way I see the world and my purpose here. Thanks, Professor Sugrue.

[@schuervonmich]

".. salvation is possible only through inspired labor not through guilt and remorse .. " This is one of my favorite lecture so far. I should and i will buy this book definitely. The story inspires me a lot. Haven't heard of Goethe before, but the themes here covers my entire life experiences. As a person who's made a lot of mistakes in life and is unable to bear the weight of guilt. Perhaps in a way, it's not that grave for some, but I'm not in the position to view it as that. To move forward with faith, ( in opinion is a primitive virtue for human survival) is what helps me to be still each day. Almost done with all the lectures here and I'm so thankful that I've come to encounter this channel. I've taken my interest in particular on those who have a sort of archaic minds like easthern philosophers, pre-socratics, plato, stoics. Seeing some few resemblances in their analogous views of nature in its general and broader picture in application to ethics. I think it's a great start for me in philosophy. Prof. Sugrue is the greatest teacher of philosophy i know so far. We owe you Professor! Thank you❤

[@MegaFount]

Inspirational! Truly brilliant lecture. I am elevated. After hearing the great Professor’s lectures I am transported to a higher plain and more meaningful existence. Thank you for your elan. We are all Faust.

[@cinnamon4605]

Jesus Christ this class of lecture is all I needed through my life. 🙏🏻

[@amberwilliams6654]

I find myself coming back to this lecture time and again. Thank you.

[@Rk-gh4to]

This probably my favourite michael sugrue lecture!

[@jonashasageremtkjrjensen]

An absolutely amazing lecture! I will be watching all the others. 42 minutes flew by like 20 seconds. Pure enjoyment in the sharing of human achievement.

[@lingmingching1]

Outstanding lecture on an outstanding literary work, Dr. @Michael Sugrue.

[@kaidoloveboat1591]

This is one of my new favorites, thank you

[@skylerfoxwell5107]

One piece. Good taste all around.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

My favourite book and version of this German legend. This dramatic poem perfectly highlights how the search for happiness is so problematic.

[@GrilloPickles-kj5vs]

Males it easier that Faust was a real person. The Evers written about were believed to have actually happened. It isn't like Geothe made it all up. He just recorded what he saw and heard.

[@georgehub4249]

Another remarkable lecture. Thank you sir. This one, for me, is especially poignant, namely the notion of activity and passivity as agent for good and evil. A message which sometimes takes a hard kick in the pants to be reminded of, nevertheless a great remedy for despair. The connection of Faust to Hegel's world historical man is also something I'll be thinking about for a long while.

[@laic1333]

7:26 "...that the striving after lofty goals IS the loftiest goals, that the chase and the quarry are the same thing... that we are redeemed and ennobled by our activity. We are improved and rendered whole by our ceaseless striving."

[@stevejackson1177]

Great lecture!!!!!!

[@izzyayoubi6382]

Profoundly illuminating.

[@raymondsamo9808]

I get taught Foucault, deconstruction and social construction. Coming here for real education. Thank you, Dr. Sugrue.

[@wixit7121]

Re: the Insta hacking tool: I have seen the exact same twin posts, word for word, in another comment section. I would advise that this is likely some type of scam. Remember people: everything on the Internet is a lie until proven otherwise. Beware.

[@Mai-Gninwod]

Sugrue talks about Foucault. He is not somehow opposed to Foucault. He is critical of most thinkers… I’m afraid this channel is attracted Jordan Peterson fans…

[@Alwaysiamcaesar]

@@Mai-Gninwod You’re the one bringing Jordan Peterson into the conversation…

[@Mai-Gninwod]

@@Alwaysiamcaesar It's true, I am. Because I am guessing that there is probably an overlap in Peterson viewers and Sugrue viewers, given some of the attitudes expressed in the comments.

[@noobieexplorer4697]

@@Mai-Gninwod can u tell me what wrong with jordan peterson? That guy is coming up a lot in my recommendations and im kinda avoiding him cause im always doubtful of the pop guys.

[@colleencupido5125]

Back in the mid 1990s, when I first heard all of your lectures in the First Edition of this Great Authors series, I started my encounter with Goethe in his Sorrows of Young Werther. ( I purchased all my Goethe in the white paperback Princeton Editions). Then I went on to Faust part 1. ( Later I discovered Schubert's songs, and the combination made "Gretchen's Spinning Wheel" my all time favorite love song.) Then I went on to read Faust part 2. The two parts of Faust were like nothing I'd ever experienced before, unique. Written like a play, but obviously not for the stage. Powerful, intellectually rigorous. Now I could see why for ages the greatest authors were considered Homer, Dante and Shakespeare, but the 4th place for many would be Goethe. Thank you, thank you....you would probably get sick of reading it if I typed it 20 times, one right after the other...

[@cheri238]

All of these lectures by Professor Sugrue and Professor Daryl Staloff are the best lectures. May everyone still learn from them. Goethe, "Faust" is amazing. Since I have been reading, Carl. J Jung, "The Redbook" Libra Novus edited and with an Introduction by Sonu Shamdasani and updates with Jung's writings with his blackbooks. An interesting story to note was that Carl Jung's grandfather met Gothe. Was it true? RIP 🙏 ❤ Dr. Sugre.

[@margaviljoen]

Brilliant

[@starhaze3593]

Great lecture, gonna pick up the Audible version ASAP, this is deep stuff.

[@nikitasichov5390]

Best to try and read it, it's a poem, it's very dense and needs time to be digested

[@ryans3001]

Thank you!

[@patrickskramstad1485]

"The eternal feminine leads us upwards...?" I agree, throughout my life women have consistently made me want to be a better human being and try harder.

[@cinnamon4605]

In my case too. Where there's woman there's will. I seem to strive better for betterment when there's a girl in center of my goal.

[@kingkoi6542]

This is Dante and Beatrice aswell

[@parkerburdette]

Fantastic

[@TeenageJesusSuperstr]

Thanks!

[@faraznotyou963]

exceptional

[@michaellear6904]

Good teacher

[@Growmetheus]

"Red mouse from her mouth.... she had committed infanticide" Wow yeah that is genuinely an amazing symbolism.

[@cinnamon4605]

Points: 25:18 27:18 34:25 36:50 40:40

[@pauliewalnuts2727]

A fantastic lecture, thank you- very grateful such high quality education is made available to all. I have to disagree, however, on your point about shame and guilt around sex being the worst part of the Christian religion or generally being a bad thing- surely Faust can be read instead as a meditation on the destructive nature of lust- had Faust not been consumed by his lust, the sequence of events- the death of the mother, Gretchen’s baby and death of Gretchen’s brother- that follows, would not have occurred. What the non-Christian scholars frames as guilt and shame can quite easily be reframed as a useful tool for regulating one’s behaviour- the fact a man’s conscience tells him “perhaps I ought not to do this” is an imperative part of his psyche as it helps him not to become a slave to his passions and embark on the path to self-destruction that inevitably results from indulging one’s lust whenever it arises

[@caseyspaulding]

Thanks

[@michaelrainboy2968]

Pretty cool!

[@davidfost5777]

I'm always looking for new interesting lectures on Psychology/Philosophy, please let me know if you guys have any recommendations, would be highly appreciated

[@jackodwyer1156]

he drinks water lovely and i love when he says now...

[@mgm6076]

This lecture goes well with Liszt's b minor sonata

[@dixztube]

Just finished it and it was so good!!! Gretchen got saved in my version but the notes said she went to hell one but at the end she was one of the ones tossing roses I think. It was a bit above my head but I really really enjoyed it And how do you say goethe I think it was “goth”

[@foxmulderr]

Dr.Sugrue i hope that you're able to see this comment. it's so refreshing knowing im not the only person in the world who is passionate about the faust tragedy. this lecture was well done, executed very well. i just wish it could have been longer heh. the transition into the end (last 10 minutes or so) was PERFECT! this lecture will forever be a part of my life. which translation do you read? i own the walter kaufman translation and i love it a lot. take care, doctor.

[@Rico-Suave_]

Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched all of it 42:09

[@Jersey-towncrier]

Something tells me that Goethe is giving voice to the masculine and feminine forces behind history, with an emphasis on the alchemical transmutation between these two forces as what we call "history" proceeds to unfold and develop.

[@igorkuna290]

37:30 did he just started to drop mad bars himself? 😄💯 I can imagine it's hard to talk about poetry for an hour without making some of your own

[@charlesedwardandrewlincoln8181]

Is the theatrical diversion just an attempt to delay Faust from getting to Gretchen?

[@geetakrishnaadhikari2042]

So, Goethes' version of Divine Comedy. But why does sugrue use Being topic from Being & Time book at times! I think I am missing something 😅

[@bosman1988]

Professor, have you ever seen the German film, "Mephisto"? Picture Goethe's "Faust" in the context of Nazi Germany. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the film and its interpretation.

[@fuiscklam4087]

"I am the spirit that negates. And rightly so, for all that comes to be Deserves to perish wretchedly; 'Twere better nothing would begin."

[@Jersey-towncrier]

Without having read Faust, I feel I must bring to your attention something that has been on my mind lately concerning philosophical ideas related to this subject and about which I am considering writing a book. Maybe someone can help me with it. I know this video concerns Goethe. However, my most recent and intense studies have been in regards to Hegel. I have often heard declarations that, in one way or another, Hegel held Logos responsible for the development of reality. I still believe this to be partially true, but I also realize that it is an oversimplification. Having studied Hegel relatively intently lately-as well as many other doctrines from other philosophers-my conceptions and conclusions have undergone a few peculiar and definite refinements. So please tell me what you think about the following idea: Everytime I sense Hegel talking about his idea of selfsame opposites maintaining unity, my mind always drifts into the analogous concept in the computing world of sequential versus parallel processing. And from there my thoughts associate to other analogues like space versus time and, finally, masculinity versus femininity. I have this idea concerning the way in which the historicity of Hegel comes alive for me. Although Hegel managed to generate an entirely unique conception of what is meant by the notion of logic, he also did not deny the merits of traditional Aristotelian logic, i.e., the formal elimination of contradictions. On the other hand, Hegel obviously also revived the significance of contradiction, elevating it to a prominent and indispensably vital role: the driving force behind the development of all human history. Meanwhile, following on the heels of Kant, Hegel further endorsed the claim that our entire experience as conscious beings is organized around space and time. But space and time each themselves carry certain connotations or associations: space has a sense of stability and fixity, more or less sturdy and static, whereas time is all about change and mutability. (I note in passing that the zeitgeist of Kant and Hegel's day strictly compartmentalized space and time as wholly separate, in contrast to our modern conception of the space-time continuum whereby these two are basically the mathematical inverse of each other). Now, coming back to Hegel's acceptance of formal logic, the word 'logic' itself derives etymologically, as I'm sure everyone knows, from the word Logos. That word has also, since ancient times, been associated with masculinity and consciousness. Interestingly enough, doesn't masculinity also connote a sense of stoic, immutable and geometric permanence, much in the way of space? Thus we might arguably tie notions of masculinity to our spatial conceptions, and, by further extension, to our stubborn fixation on the elimination of contradiction. But where, then, does that leave femininity? Let's consider an old metaphor I've always used for helping friends to understand their opposite sex relationships. I always explain it simply by relating men to a large rock up against which the constant churning of ocean waves crash, again and again. I always tell my male friends that they should think of themselves as a Rock-strong and immutable-and their women as the Ocean-deep, mysterious, constantly and internally in motion, given to occasional upheavals of fierce and explosive power, always crashing against their Rock, always seeking to dislodge their Rock at his weakest points. Moreover, I also frequently quip (in a less than facetious mood) that women possess an entirely different "logic" than men; it would not be a stretch to say that very embodiment of femininity-i.e., women-sometimes seem to be the very embodiment of contradiction itself! I've had countless experiences in which women have stared me dead in the face, perfectly serious, and asked me to do--simultaneously--two things that were completely contradictory and illogical. (I have developed a rather cynical view of this behavior, since I believe women have been designed by God to weaken men by confusing our desire to eliminate contradiction). It's as though what seems like a clear contradiction to a man is perfectly sensible and rational to a woman. Anyway, my point is that if we can in this way associate Logos with our fixed sensibilities pertaining to spatial conceptions, then, by comparison, (as an antinomy, I suppose) we might similarly associate feminine Eros to our common sense of change-the key feature in our concept of time. For if by Logos we mean the eradication of contradictions, then plainly by Eros we mean the retention and deployment of contradictions for the purpose of change and development. Indeed, could it be that Hegel was trying through his philosophy to demote Logos to a place of at least equal significance to that of Eros by demonstrating how the latter is the prime mover behind spatial reconfiguration and thus the source of History? Could it be that he was doing so without being all too explicit about it? Could this be why so many after him, including Freud-perhaps via unconscious osmosis of a zeitgeist generated by Hegel-saw sexual potencies as the structure of history, i.e., of space (being) and time (change)? Indeed, is space the Logos, and time, Eros? I often wonder at whether this is what he meant when he said something enigmatic, along the lines of "Lacking strength, Beauty hates the Understanding for asking of her what it cannot do"! (See Para. 32, Pg. 19, Phenomenology of Spirit, A.V. Miller) At any rate, were this so, then it leaves me struggling to designate which would be the analogue to sequential processing and which to parallel processing. I suppose sequential processing would be akin to time and thus feminine, whereas parallel processing is by contrast akin to space and thus masculinity. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ Can someone please help??

[@fightingwords8955]

WOW🔥❤️

[@Khumzalet]

In the description, it says that Dr Michael Sugrue did his BA in University of Chicago and his PhD at Colombia University. What did he Study?

[@raymondsamo9808]

History if I remember correctly

[@BettinaAscaino]

“Dr. Michael Sugrue is Professor of History at Ave Maria University. A graduate of the Great Books Program, he earned his B.A. in History from the University of Chicago and his M.A., M.Phil., and Ph.D. in History from Columbia University.” Not “Colombia”, the country in South America. Easy to get them mixed up because they sound similar when spoken in English ;) Colombia and Columbia essentially mean the same thing, "Land of Columbus," to honor the explorer Christopher Columbus, -in Italian is Colombo and in Spanish, Colon.

[@AlbertoApuCRC]

Colón

[@jasonchristenson1]

in the parlance of our thymes : RIP KING

[@Andrew_Cotton]

The Mothers of Invention are in Faust? Is Zappa in there too?

[@mdhj67]

Do not play a drinking game where you take a shot every time Sugrue says "now".

[@FR-yr2lo]

Read "The Promethean Right"

[@NormBa]

Cup the Mic, Don't Mic the Cup While cognizant of insights sharp and clear my Gretchen couldn't bear the raft of sips that lapped like Faust's black dog atop a pier of loosened planks. Less quaffes! More arid quips!

[@hugor1338]

So very important: isn't it disgusting?

[@NormBa]

@@hugor1338 Disgusting is far too strong a word. Distracting maybe and indicative more of her compulsivities than anything else. A fascinating lecture nonetheless.

[@freeyourmind4349]

What a 🎁

[@vasilissk6993]

better than the movie adaptations!

[@pearz420]

"Maybe something like film could handle Faust." *laughs in Best of the Worst*

[@bayan6357]

Where can I find a pdf annotated edition of Goethe's Faust online?

[@drbonesshow1]

It's a conflation and conflagration.

[@Yakov_EPH-6.12]

Love his Mr.Bean outfit

[@76Bagnasty]

How much water is in that cup what the hell

[@cinnamon4605]

Sip by sip. You have savour it

[@pulgasari]

This was my question too. Witchcraft.

[@andreasv9472]

What is that word he is saying. Quarry? (Being is becomming when "quarry" Is the chase.)

[@joemcdermott1213]

yes

[@xyzllii]

Is the older man slumped in the chair in some videos...this man when younger??? Anyone KNOW?

[@Roooh]

Yes., lol.

[@pearz420]

wow

[@fuiscklam4087]

Interestingly, the one thing that's never explained by people analyzing Faust is why is Mephistopheles wrong. It's always assumed, but never clarified.

[@davidstrubeck8195]

(Coffee sip) Now…

[@desertportal353]

Reminds me just a little of Zizek.....

[@walterbenjamin1386]

I read Faust (in English). I heard the opera. I’ve thought about it. And yet I must be missing something. I don’t get the greatness of it. Is it imperative to interpret it in a Christian context?

[@thewanderingamerican5412]

He seems like a fancy schmancy intellectual except for the way he repeatedly slurps his coffee like a barbarian.

[@stevenmoreno2888]

Caminar Caminar

[@dalejames486]

Anyone have a good translation of Faust they can recommend? 🌞

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

Kauffman.The link is here

[@dalejames486]

@@dr.michaelsugrue Excellent. Thanks.

[@drbonesshow1]

Good reading like good sex is a commitment of time and effort.

[@kaliyugavideoentertainment4066]

These lectures are great, but I hate that you can hear him gulping so loudly 😂

[@Roland96351]

Helpful analysis, however, are you aware that you use the terminology if moral value to condemn the propagation of moral values?

[@richardjustinamericantatem5758]

Hmmm... I wonder if Jordan Peterson got his ideas about responsibility being the antidote to suffering from Faust? I've never heard him mention that connection, but I'm sure he is at least aware of Faust. Would be a good question for him.

[@jonathansantos4465]

Watch Petersons Maps of Meaning 0009 on the playlist of Psychology and Religion

[@auntiecarol]

Red mouse. Red necktie. Coincidence?

[@taylorjones7585]

Uh...the female "leads us aloft?" My first thought wZ *ahem* something south going North ;) Boiiiing Get it?

[@Mai-Gninwod]

All these comments are just like “teach me daddy michael”, not so much talking about the subject of the video. I love these videos but we gotta stop looking to consumption of public intellectuals as substitutes for real education. Don’t idolize Sugrue like he’s a classier Jordan Peterson or Zizek, I’m sure that’s not what he would want

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

Dad approves. He said. A student learns more from his classmates than from his teachers and even then, most education is self education. There was a very heavy reading requirement for his undergraduate classes and he used to pointedly ask "When are these books scheduled to read themselves?"

[@jackcooper3307]

Why a classier Peterson? Similar calibre

[@GangdangleOfficialChannel]

@@jackcooper3307 Segrue keeps to what he knows, and does not stray too far from this. As good as Peterson is, he does have a proclivity to speak on subjects where his knowledge is thinning. The Dr is after all a Psychologist first and foremost, and so would not be as well put as someone who's who forte is philosophy. Also he sounds like Kermit the frog. Which, atleast for me, is a chy distracting.

[@pearz420]

@@jackcooper3307 The Cave has a limited number of shadows.

[@MegaJw99]

this guy is all too enthusiastic for everything Everything and every philosophy is 'wow, amazing' A poem that changes our understanding of poetry BS

[@andyk6792]

Well, he's talking about Goethe what do you expect lol. If you want to see him in critical/ambivalent mode, watch his videos on The Frankfurt School, Marx, or Heidegger.

[@pearz420]

I was going to make fun of you, but that would be redundant.

[@christinemartin63]

Holy kamoly ... citing a poem by name in a comment just got me busted by the YT police. Hmmm ... sounds so PC I wonder what a Romantic like Goethe would think (or, for that matter, a professor of philosophy). Shame on you all!

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

What are you talking about?

[@christinemartin63]

@@dr.michaelsugrue I posted a comment that included a reference to a parody of Matthew Arnold's poem, "Dover Beach." The poem in question is by Anthony Hecht: "The Dover [female dog]". KZbin deleted the entire comment. But this is a sign of the times! Everything must be scrubbed. (It's ironic since we're talking about philosophy and literature.)

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

The recent emergence of a new pseudo-secular political Puritans is an instance of the Law of Conservation of Fanaticism. Human nastiness and stupidity were not abolished by moving post Enlightenment from religious lingo to ideological jabbering. Lenny Bruce was right. We assign magical properties to words and assign to them the burden of moral opprobrium, when it is our own responses to them that enable words to be harmful or not, nothing intrinsic to words themselves. KZbin's sensitivity patrol censorship is an insult to rational adults. One of my lectures on Kant's moral theory was permanently demonetized because first the algorithm and then after I objected a "human arbiter" decided that a lecture on the Categorical Imperative contained homophonic obscenity. I find arrogance and idiocy "triggering" especially when technologically amplified by the totalitarian ethos of Big Tech.

[@christinemartin63]

@@dr.michaelsugrue It ain't gonna get any better ... but then for some of us from former Communist countries, this is child's play. This is how it starts.

[@devinmoran59]

Man this guy swallowing every 2 seconds is so hard to listen too

[@HeroesFail]

Your focus is misdirected. Do not let the aberration distract you from the whole.

[@devinmoran59]

@@HeroesFail he's doing it on purpose to annoy me I'm the future.

[@Strongertogether47]

An artistic creation like no other? Faust has no genre?.....uhhmmm....its most obviously just a modernized retelling of the book of Job....i mean, really....its not that original of an idea. All he did was modernize and elaborate a story from the bible. I kno u can say nooo noo its different...yeah sure it is....but at its core...where it comes from....we know the inspiration...we get it. Its really not that original. Its like if someone wrote, today, his own version of king arthur or something.

[@jackcooper3307]

How would the alleged lack of narrative originality infringe upon its greatness as an artistic creation?

[@Strongertogether47]

@@jackcooper3307 really? Re-read what you just wrote.....come on, guy......what does originality have to do with it? Get real, an artists worth is tied in with his creative originality not just their execution. You can be a maestro at guitar but never write an original riff in your life and no one will care but you can be a mediocre player and write something totally original and everyone will care. Dont weaponize your stupidity against me.

[@jackcooper3307]

@@Strongertogether47 aha what an anachronism. Suppose that writes Shakespeare off then? And Milton? The fact you’d make that comment about a 1774 text then accuse me of stupidity is genuinely astonishing

[@jackcooper3307]

@@Strongertogether47 also, your analogy doesn’t really work on any level. It’s more like a blues guitarist working with the conventions of blues to create new riffs within an established pre-existing genre

[@Parzivalofan]

Well I do not think you have really gotten a grasp on the methodology of symbols in this poem. The greatness lies in the range and Job is no interpretation - in fact it is the opposite. So I cannot agree with you at all on this take.

[@mega4171]

You often use the word "Ore-shtuf" (I have no idea how to spell it). You've roughly referred to it as the "Substratum" of the universe within German idealism... How do you spell this (German) word? Aurshtuf? Orshtuf? Plz help and thank you for your work.. thank u very much.

[@dr.michaelsugrue]

Urstoff. German for primary substance.

[@mega4171]

@@dr.michaelsugrue cant thank u enough.