Great But Flawed MMORPG Turned Fantastic Co-Op Action RPG! - Wayfinder: Echoes

[@sir_snarf]

Thanks so much for coming back and checking out the Echoes update... the team has been working their @sses off and we dont plan on stopping anytime soon. Excited to hear your thoughts once you get to Frostmarch!

[@retromastery7010]

You and your team did an amazing job honestly, doing this many revamps and adding this many new mechanics in less than 6 months is definitely deserving of high praises. I'm honestly confident this game will manage to find a new audience, especially if you guys can afford to sponsor some streamers for the 1.0 release. In any case, keep up the good work, the game has even more potential now that it's a Co-Op ARPG.

[@osto1964]

Any plans for future updates or is this a released and done product.

[@Theinvalidmusic]

I'm incredibly stoked for jumping in when this launches on the 11th. I was on the closed tests but wasn't a founder, and I loved what I played at the time. So happy you guys managed to pull the game back.

[@sir_snarf]

@@osto1964 1.0 will come with a whole new open world zone on the scale of the new Frostmarch; New Bosses; New Lost Zones; New Wayfinder; New Weapons; New Armor sets; New cosmetics; Expanded housing system; an improved matchmaking or multiplayer lobby system (Still WIP and new addition due to popular demand so we will see what this becomes) and many more collectables... We would love to keep working on Wayfinder, but we are throwing everything we have into 1.0 and it will be up to the market/all of you to see if we can support further dev

[@sillygoose2619]

Someone sent me a meme about this game and i was curious so im 10 minutes into Wanderbots video and im already planning on getting the game! Ill be streaming it live myself. Ive been really searching for a RPG and this might be the scratch for that itch. I cant wait!

[@LaserStorm117]

[I] think their decision to swap genres was a good idea. It looked like it should have been this out of the gates when I watched its first playtest. I hope they nailed the execution!

[@LaserStorm117]

I completely forgot this was made by Airship Syndicate. I was just looking at the art and thinking it seemed inspired by Joe Madureira's work on Darksiders and Battle Chasers. Haha duh! Heavy goob moment. I love this dude's art

[@Phaymyr91]

As someone that plays MMOs as single-player games, I welcome this change immensely

[@shemsuhor8763]

This game looks, potentially, like the new Kingdoms of Amalur.

[@gavinv-q3o]

I've heard of it but never played it but LOVE Wayfinder. What are the similarities'?

[@superyamchama5659]

As much as i'm dying to get my hands on a new mmo, I think this design choice fits the game even better, almost as if it should have been this way to begin with

[@Graavigala85]

The game already feels so much better than as online only game. There are still bugs and issues with it but compared to the horrrrrrrrible always online bullshit this is lightyears away

[@DefinitelANonymous]

Kingdoms of amalur my beloved, is that you?

[@Pyrela]

1:19:25 Can't wait for Wildstar: Echoes.

[@mformewtwo]

I was hoping you would see this! I'm definitely jumping in on June 11th, and I can't wait!

[@MySplatterhouse]

same 👍🏿👍🏿

[@marionunes86]

Judging by this company's previous work it feels like this is what the game should have always been and i haven't even played it yet.

[@jasonchristopherhowie8360]

really the only reason i do want to play this game is because of Joe Madureira ^^ been a fan of his artwork since he did the X-men then Battle Chasers O_o but his love of games and story telling i knew he was going to create something Kool ^^

[@Psoewish]

I was looking forward to playing this when it was still slated as an mmo, but didn't expect to be putting *that* much time into it. But when they announced a shift for the entire project I just got really excited and I am 100% picking this up on launch now.

[@sharkforce8147]

D&D online had difficulty levels in an MMO years ago. you just choose which difficulty level you want before entering any instance, and the rewards scale with the difficulty level.

[@thegodzhilla]

Won’t be getting this right away as my confidence in the project was lost after the launch issues and how development has been going, but I do hope for the best. Looking forward to checking out the full release when the time comes

[@mkrichey1]

Great video, I was late discovering Wayfinder so I never had any MMO expectations. Looking at your gameplay, it looks like a great choice for anyone who enjoyed Kingdoms of Amalur and I look forward to giving it a go!

[@Feulner]

I totally agree. It's really great to see them retool and move away from the always-online aspect, especially after it seemed to suffer issues. After putting their hearts and souls into this, even with some flaws, it is a labor of love, and moving it to single-player may be just the saving grace for them. I hope this game gets the attention it deserves!!

[@NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEJ]

Yes, can't wait for Wildstar Echoes. 1:19:25 (about)

[@InvisibleLad007]

this is a good take. I'm having a LOT of fun with this game right now. More I believe I would if it were a MMORPG. It's stylish, feels good and its so much fun to play. The dungeon crawling is satisfying and I'm very happy with it.

[@benjaminfrost2780]

The world can change massively and meaningfully in an MMO. It requires a phasing system. So the new player still has the world as it was until they get the point in the story you are at.

[@MirageGSM]

Regarding changing areas in MMOs - WOW had that back in the days of Wrath of the Lich King. Open world areas that were instanced depending on your quest progress where you could see only players who had the same quest progress. I especially remember Zul'Drak where you conquered the area bit by bit and established bases. It was in other zones too, but that one I remember best. The technology to do staff like that in MMOs has been around for more than 15 years.

[@Schizm1]

Honestly I LOVE the artstyle, lore, combat etc but as a solo gamer I was really disapointed that it's gonna be an MMO... ..now tho I'm for sure gonna buy it!! Looks like a fantastic update

[@MySplatterhouse]

Im all for this, i hope Epic decides to take a similar route and turn Save the World into an offline singleplayer campaign focused game, it literally has the framework for a decent full featured title. 👍🏿👍🏿

[@Thunder2Clan]

I am fully of the belief that some MMO's would benefit massively from having a singleplayer and/or co-op version for the people that want to play and experience those stories but just aren't going to bother with all the MMO elements. Personally, would snap up such versions of ESO, Fallout 76 (especially if you could start at the proper starting point where there are no NPC's around) and The Old Republic in an instant if they made them as I am a major fan of all of those things but just not an MMO person.

[@R4ZORLIGHT]

Now that the MMO/live service aspect is gone, the game is a ton more intresting to me. Will definitely buy it in the future. Demo would be nice though.

[@RoloFilms]

Holy shit, I feel like I just listened to a friend trying to explain a boardgame for half an hour and not understanding half of what was said, because it's all lore related and you just entered the world. I feel like they could decrease the amount of monologue explanationy stuff by 60% and have the game explain itself a lot more. Would make for a better early game experience IMO

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

Agreed.

[@losgann]

I'd love to see you play a lot more of this, hopefully they'll sponsor a video.

[@joshcoetzee5807]

I agree with the hole mmorpg online play most of the time when new people play the game and go into a mission they get matched with mid to late game players and end up running around exploring the game while the mid to late gamers rush the mission and trust me its not fun at all and at the end of the day you dont want to play the game no more some mmos are fine like that but when it comes to games like this i think the co-op is a perfect fit it goes very well with the game play and style of the game and so far all tho i just watched 30min of the game i already wishedlisted it on steam right away and didnt want to spoil the game for myself nor the story xD i wanted to go on steam and buy/download it but it wasnt out yet lol bummer looks so much fun its so hard to find fun games to play lately not very good games are coming out lately but this looks fun cant wait to play it xD

[@brandonedwards7318]

there alot of old mmo,s that i wish would come back as a game wouldnt that be better than the idea go away forever

[@MrWildborn]

Has any other game done this? Changing genre after release? i know kingdoms of amalur did it too but this was during development iirc.

[@102stapel]

Wayfinder is the first game to go from MMO to singleplayer during early access, Amalur had the potential of being an MMO very early in development but that was well before any sort of release

[@LaserStorm117]

Kingdoms of Amalur was such a fun game.

[@MrWildborn]

Yes absolutely, highly underrated game..

[@WizardofWestmarch]

I don't think Amalur really changed genres. They just reused assets to make a single player game in hopes of funding the MMO, but Curt Schilling and Co were too stupid to run a game studio.

[@102stapel]

@@WizardofWestmarch regardless, the MMO never got out of concept art stage, Wayfinder is the only one for this to happen to. even with early backers for an MMO like game

[@Wolfenacht]

38:39 The reason most MMOs will not use client side servers/code is because of how EASY it is to cheat. Even games like Elden Ring could easily be cheated with some codes or bots, then brought the game online, but still had those items/whatever the cheat provided. Server side code, means that it is constantly checking and verifying the game, including files, stats, etc - so that way you cannot cheat in an MMO game. They have to do it that way, unless they want the game filled with hackers that are going to just ruin everyone's time.

[@crankpatate3303]

honestly I'm much more interested in this game now, that it's not an MMORPG anymore. Let's hope there's way less grind and a nicely paced experience, that values your time. This game always had an awesome artstyle and an interesting combat system, so guess it's going on my wish list and I'll keep an eye on the early access progress.

[@Cleric-Heretic]

Very true, great co-op.

[@mysticwolf420]

So the missing stuff isint really missing they are staying in EA untill 1.0 now 1.0 is coming no matter what new wayfinder new area now what comes after 1.0 comes down to how well its received they like 50k changes fixes u name it dor this and i imagine thw nunber is gonna be huge for 1.0 also did i mention new apartment coming either with or my hopes is before 1.0 match making is also being worked on as well

[@vewyscawymonsta]

From what i read, it is something of a looter shooter. All the "cosmetic" gear now has stats or something. Take that with a grain of salt, its just hearsay. Im definitely more interested than i was when it was an mmo-lite.

[@wanderbots]

Kinda. Most armor pieces come with small +% stat bonuses, so you can mix & match to fit your build. But there's also a style menu where you can change how each slot looks, without affecting stats. It's a very solid change.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

Wait.. I recall this lore. Didn't.. someone i know play this in the mmo phase?

[@hpharold23]

Give us the option to host it privately with more players.

[@ChildofLight777]

WoW Darksiders.

[@shemsuhor8763]

Kingdoms of Amalur 2: Wayfinder

[@LaserStorm117]

@@shemsuhor8763 , I hope so. KoA was fun af.

[@Red49er85]

yeah the camera distance gave me nostalgia for darksiders and even the "traditional" Zelda games. I don't expect this game to actually feel like those but I'll definitely keep an eye on this

[@mcstephen80]

This game looks and plays dope and if it ever comes to the PlayStation I'll play it I buy it

[@wanderbots]

It's on PlayStation already, but the update will be out in a month or so.

[@blaidddrwg-ye9dy]

Their season passes sounds like what helldivers did

[@brunorosa2904]

At the time a payed the lesser endorsement possible, and i didn't liked the game, because i felt that the grind was too intense, i did a few mission and didn't droped a single weapon or resources enought to build one... Now that it is not online anymore the game got waaaaay better... i completed the game and had a lot of fun playing it... better now than before...

[@blackbunnygggaming2603]

I have to remind everyone it did not launch a year ago it was a paid beta

[@davidanderson7459]

For the better

[@astrithaurelia]

the grind in mmorpgs was fun, back when the games weren't about being games first, and social hubs fifth... everquests grind was a lot more compelling to me, because i wasn't there for the levleling and gear... sure that was a fun activity to do with the people... BUT I WAS THERE FOR THE PEOPLE. same for dark age of camelot and eve... and WoW in the early days.. the gameplay was good enough to be an activity i did with/to the people... but hardly the main draw! a lot of modern mmorpgs, esp many asian ones when ported to the west (but also many western ones), seem to have lost that fundamental first pillar... community

[@wanderbots]

I think the community aspect is a lot harder nowadays. Everquest worked because it was one of very few MMO's. Now we have easily 100 MMO/Live service games competing for gamers' attentions, so it's a lot harder for any of them to have the same draw nor longevity.

[@RealGTZ]

I'm a founder but I see they took away my founder gear... I have nothing and idk where to find the vendor but it shows I got 0 everything so idk what is gonna happen for us founders

[@TuskedMedia]

Which founder pack did you get? I got the exalted pack and aside from the runesilver, I got everything. The reward towers are given to everyone now and there are no character tokens as well. The founder coin vendor is just past Arsenal in front of the building that is all lit up. Vendor is named Avarys. The building basically looks like it would be a club or some crazy bar from the outside.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

I don't think mmos are inherently grindy, just that they tend to be.

[@TheWoelrat]

the GLOOM

[@pakero61]

Started watching but realised I wanna experience the whole story once again when it finally comes out on ps5, so sorry mate but can’t watch cause of spoilers 😅

[@kogoromori2494]

hi, can you see all other players while playing? I ask because I haven't seen a single player other than you. stay healthy.

[@wanderbots]

It's not an MMO anymore, so there won't be other players unless I invite a friend to play with me.

[@Corlexys]

Thx for your insights, @Wanderbots 👍 I really look forward to play this game by June 11th, I absolutely hope the hype will last and the game will survive the current situation (not having a publisher anymore). I also hope they soon implement a way to support the devs @sir_snarf (some MTX or tower-content, like mounts etc. - no p2w items of course). Plus IMO this maybe the next game to play with my kids (+-10 years old) in coop - and there are only very few games out there to be played w/ my kids (being worth our time). And - looking forward to the game-lobby system they announced to implement in the future, so we may find games to join :).

[@vindicit8924]

The problem with taking a game designed to be an MMO and turning into a single player experience is typically MMOs have a shitty story that everyone just wants to speed through to get to end game as soon as possible. A single player game can not have a shit story. This game would then be forced to rely its 'end game' or its combat to be reviewed as a good game if the MMO aspects are gone. This isnt a Souls-like game or a Darksiders type hack n slash where games like that are entirely reviewed based on their combat, challenge and progression experience.

[@wanderbots]

Wayfinder is in a weird niche where they can almost get away with being MMO-adjacent, because it offers the MMO experience without the grind, and I can't think of many games that do that other than Diablo & Path of Exile. I doubt it'll appeal to people who want another Dark Souls/Elden Ring, but it has a lot of appeal for families, couples, or really anyone who likes MMO's but doesn't want the grind.

[@Unotakehandle]

Maybe a bit of genshin to it too?

[@Andyboy23]

4 player co-op ??? It is 3 player co-op ?????

[@simplythecat4068]

Region locked / 10 Couldn't even check it out back when it initially came out, thanks DE.

[@BastyTHz]

and f2p become p2p just like star citizen

[@dud5606]

It looks cool and nicely polished but I don't really see a strong hook here. The intro is kind of weak, story doesn't grab me at all either. You're just kind of plopped into this world and start to run around dangeons killing stuff. This part of the game seems weak,

[@reeanimationgaming1034]

I really don’t like the attack combo animations in this game. These odd pauses in between attacks, like the character is holding back the attack on purpose… And it has this monotone rhythm to it.. I mean, love the designs and visuals, and loot gameplay looks fun. The combat gameplay just looks dull, like a little more active world of warcraft.. Look at the combat in Genshin Impact for example, looks freaking epic compared to this

[@Pend3rlab]

Genshin Impact? That is just skill-ult-swap character- repeat. I find combat in GI REALLLLLLY boring.

[@reeanimationgaming1034]

@@Pend3rlab ok 🙂

[@catzor4795]

There is nothing "RPG" about the game.

[@chester2875]

i paid for the highest tier founder's pack and with this change i refunded the game. good riddance.

[@shutinalley]

It looks.... Not good.

[@Matthew-ut1hs]

This game still runs like cheeks. They fixed nothing.

[@ToiletBread1651]

I bought a founders pack when it first came out and was completely disappointed with the release version. I tried, but it never clicked with me. I just redownloaded and tried the Echoes version, and I can't recommend this game enough to everyone. It's fantastic, imo. I really hope people check this out.

[@Sockerfee]

cool will test when it is released

[@mysticwolf420]

June 11th u can buy it !! I say buy it then because price will increase at a later date

[@cutespooky]

oo i love fake mmos like .hack but this is co-op which i've always wanted 😍