TF2 Loadouts I was Wrong About

Every once in a while, the stuff you've learned about a game over the years turns out to be wrong. There have been a good many weapons I've ignored or hated over the years, but after trying them out with a fresh perspective, I really come to enjoy the unique gameplay they have to offer. Here is three cases of that happening recently - or more specifically, why I didn't like the weapons before and what eventually got me to change my mind around on them.
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As with the last one of these, this is meant to be a smaller side project while I work on the more intensive map/what if videos. I originally wasn't planning on doing a follow-up to the first one, but after trying out a lot of new weapons back-to-back over the past few months, I had enough that I wanted to talk about to make a sequel. The focus on loadouts wasn't even intended, it's just how I ended up discovering some new weapons this time around.

[@knuxenglish]

"Every once in a great while" Come on man, you could have said "once in a *great blue* moon"

[@egemenozan5641]

You deserve a Nobel Prize.

[@b0mberr330]

2 references in one. Brilliant.

[@egemenozan5641]

@@b0mberr330 Every ounce of a great whale

[@C.R.J.]

sorry he can only say that on a great full great blue moon. sorry we gotta wait about a year or 2 or 3 or 10 or 10943

[@yeetoburrito]

there was a blue supermoon last year, does that count as 'great'? (next one is in 2029 or 2031 iirc)@@C.R.J.

[@piracyisavictmlesscrime9248]

I like to play Spout. I use the backscatter for the pseudo backstabs, the bonk as a pseudo dead ringer, and the atomizer so I can triple jump and for taunt killing while bonked. It’s really the greatest loadout of all time.

[@HuonPiper-ir4yj]

You sir. You would have invented Fat Scout if you didn't get beaten to the chase.

[@mattiismouse1086]

Spout

[@wa3058]

better spy

[@sethja8]

Nothing beats Penis Scout

[@jblazerndrowzy]

@@mattiismouse1086Scy(Either Sye or Sky)

[@Mud-Brain]

Fun fact with the thermal thruster, landing beside somebody does a bit of knock back. Time that with an air blast and they combine, blasting people SIGNIFICANTLY further, sometimes to the skybox.

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Antipyro: Stock Flamethrower (because we don't have an airblast centric primary yet...), Manmelter, amd Axtinguisher, just puttin' out fires and nothing more. Bonus: Add Brigade Helm Hazmat Headcase and Trickster's Turnout Gear!

[@calebbarnhouse496]

Really what support pyro needs is a flamethrower that gives him a lot of health for putting out nearby teammates

[@llmkursk8254]

swap the Hazmat Headcase for the Fireman's Essentials.

[@dinoshark2491]

Airo.

[@jokerofspades-xt3bs]

pyro needs an airblast focused primary badly, even if it might be unfun

[@senorbatidodevainilla7325]

@@jokerofspades-xt3bs Not really tho

[@stormychu5677]

I may have missed it but one thing worth mentioning with the Eureka effect is even if it's being sapped you can still teleport to your teleporter which can really catch the spy who sapped it off guard.

[@garrettdavis8272]

My favorite Pyro loadout is Backburner, Thermal Thruster, and Back Scratcher The flank play style works well with the boosted health kits and if you time your rake swing to landing on an enemy’s head you can oneshot 175 HP classes It’s a stupid Trolldier, and I love it dearly

[@TrixterTheFemboy]

This is my go-to as well, and I've dubbed in the Pytroll

[@leithaziz2716]

Yes! That or I switch to hammer for hybrid offense/Pybro.

[@watersomic]

Yesssss this is my go-to pyro loadout, I love it so much. You can do so much fun, crazy stuff like when a pyro can just fly to the control point and land + airblast at the same time to knock everyone off

[@TuxedoAlien]

I think some people call it the "Gardener Pyro". Except of the Thermal Thruster, they use MannMelter.

[@TwitchyGains]

The manmelter + dragon's fury is an insanely fun combo when you get used to using the manmelter as a primary weapon. You can effectively 2 shot 6 of the 9 classes before they react while also being able to extinguish teamates which is something the dragon's fury struggles with on its own.

[@co5micwaffle742]

skmeyhing?

[@CharaGonzalez-lt7yw]

Dragon's Fury and Scorch Shot is the defining Power Pyro set for me. Insane long range harassment options and given the scorch shot's stats the DF also becomes better.

[@lunasagaming5801]

@@CharaGonzalez-lt7yw selling your soul I see

[@Crea.mp4]

​@@lunasagaming5801 marisa gets it XD

[@lunasagaming5801]

@@Crea.mp4 I'm lunasa!!!!! rahhh!

[@Kmn483]

Crit-a-cola & Shortstop is brain-dead fun that finally makes use of Shortstop's accuracy by disabling damage fall-off. Slap on Wrap Assassin for up to 153 dmg on direct bauble hits (dmg varies). As someone that prefers playing farther away, this offers a fun alternative scout playstyle.

[@archmagemc3561]

Brass Beast or Natasha heavy. If you ever played TF2 when it came out, the brass beast is how heavy used to play. The extra damage is funny, and can lead to a close range scout being oneshotted by your massive damage output, but what really makes it strong is the damage reduction it gives. If you eat a chocolate bar beforehand, it takes a demo 5 direct pipes to take you out, and you can survive a fully scoped headshot or 3 quickscopes. When your damage threshold is 2 bigger than people expect, funny things happen with how they play.

[@Cheesegirl31415]

As someone who exclusively plays backburner centric playstyles on pyro i feel detonator, when used optimally, allows the backburner to flank much easier and also gives long range damage (outside of the stomp) and i've also found the thermal thruster is much easier to snipe against than the burst mobility of the detonator

[@asturias0267]

The detonator is so loud though. Do people not hear you and turn around?

[@Lazare7782]

@@asturias0267it’s not loud compared to the freight train that is the thermal thruster

[@maxwellmegagamer8535]

Yeah, detonator is way faster, has way more ammo, way more air control and actually does damage without throwing you into the entire enemy team

[@JazzSicaa]

​@@asturias0267 Ah yes, the Thermal Thruster is totally silent and not loud at all.

[@Skallva]

Backburner has been my main flamethrower for ages but in my case, I prefer to pair it up with the shotgun. It's a mobility loss, sure, but I enjoy the versatility and the burst it provides. Being able to consistently and quickly finish off the targets that caught you flanking or who are outside the range of your particles while also having a better mirror matchup is very handy to have, and I don't really enjoy relying on my primary all that much anyway - would rather use it as a dampener in case I miss the back and then meatshot the enemy to death than rely on the stream of weak hits to hopefully scorch the enemy before they shoot me off.

[@Aelfraed26]

I love playing fat scout when our team is better than the enemy team. I can still tryhard and not feel bad about it.

[@iminumst7827]

The creativity of playstyles is what has kept me playing TF2 for so long. I run Black Box and Ninjaneer pretty regularly. But I always strive to try new things. My favorite recent discovery is the Dalokah's bar and GRU combo. There's a glitch that if you eat the bar after draining your max health, your max health will recover extremely quickly. Plus, I realized that it's actually one of the best "Boxing Heavy" loadouts. If you always keep yourself buffed with the bar, and then whip out the GRU when you spot an enemy, you can really punch out a lot of classes.

[@8stormy5]

Healthy-weight Scout: Soldier with a rocket jumper, panic attack, and market gardener. If you're decent with rocket jumps you retain the insane mobility outside of fights and your large health pool makes up for the lack of it within fights. Since you can divebomb pretty much any fight at minimum cost with the rocket jumper, the panic attack works best as it lets you make the most of suddenly getting all up in someone's grill. The market gardener is there as a weapon of opportunity since you're using the rocket jumper anyways.

[@theflyingtoaster1316]

As a tc2 play, i bring you “The trollerman” -Base jumper -Sticky jumper -ulupool caber It’s like trollgier, but worse

[@bmac4]

Running caber without a shield feels like a sin If you arent trading it 1 for 1 on funny charge crit explosions why are you bothering

[@hivehusk5643]

@@bmac4k a b o o m .

[@allusionss]

​@@bmac4 It's the "Sniper Dive Bomb" loadout. It exists in TF2 too and was known for quite a long time. Even mentioned by Soundsmith.

[@TheAdspy]

only in tf2 worse means more fun

[@lazyavatar2479]

ew tc2 players exist?

[@SmallManGoose]

these Tf2 loadouts always seemed like a strange case to me

[@PigeonsPlural]

kinda like weapon reskins in tf2 hmm (your comment is funny)

[@huhwhuh]

hey! this reminds me of the time that the youtuber "Great Blue" talked about weapons that were nothing but simply visual redesigns of another item!

[@pyrofromtf2]

I am Pyro. I became real.

[@johnnypearson3003]

Girl or boy

[@taysworld1928]

Pyro’s gender is pyro

[@user-ye1ed7gq4n]

Banana

[@segadoeswhatnintendont]

You are a bot

[@jojoblossom]

@@johnnypearson3003yes

[@CrimsoniteSP]

GunSpy is surprisingly fun. I know everyone kinda hates Spy in more ways than one, and pairing the Deadringer and Spy-cicle together has gotten me kicked out of a few lobbies, but being able to turn a class based on stealth into a balls to the wall pick class is really fun. Octo's video on the matter helped me see what you can really do with the loadout and after trying it myself, I liked it a lot. Everyone kinda views the Deadringer as a get out of jail free card but you can pretty much use it like a parry mechanic. Using it mid-fight to tank a hit and continue dishing damage. And the Spy-cicle turns one of the worst matchups into a winning one, provided you hit your shots. It's one of my preferred playstyles and really made me value the stock revolver in all my loadouts.

[@bareth_]

Watching a Great Blue video is like opening a Christmas present, you open it while knowing that you won’t get another one in 12 months.

[@JouisThatasupra-hh7rx]

my opinion on weapons in TF2 have always seemed like a strange case to me. On one hand if you hate how a weapon works and hate how it looks it's nice to have another option to choose from. But on the other hand, opinions usually change with starting to like them even though they would would function differently from their counterpart. And I've always thought it would be neat if cool looking weapons like the sun-on-a-stick had more of an identity than "Its the f2p scout melee" So I took a large number of weapons currently available in the game and gave them a rating ranging from "Slightly modified sidegrade to the original" to "wrecks the playstyle"

[@segadoeswhatnintendont]

No way, it's actually original?

[@JouisThatasupra-hh7rx]

i mean yeah, i guess for a variant of a copypasta its original.@@segadoeswhatnintendont

[@dogo7002]

One of my favorite loadouts is the liberty launcher + the buff banner, I call it the Splash Solider. You can also use a market gardener as a melee to build the banner charge faster.

[@ImExcalibastard]

The liberty launcher is criminally underrated not only does it actually combo well with the buff banner but getting kritz ubered gets so much more done when you got a clump of enemies to deal with.

[@OpossumFan]

I feel like it's trite to bring up in a discussion of underappreciated weapons, but the Your Eternal Reward is so much fun especially if you like a killstreak playstyle. People love to talk about the silent kill and stuff, but honestly the disguise on kill is actually super effective if you know how to act like the class you've disguised as. Nothing feels quite as rewarding as getting a backstab, having enemies look directly at at you, and then chainstabbing them because you play your part well

[@wowisthatleo]

i use the BackScatter (positional mini crits!!! [its good]) and the Bonk, and the Wrap Assasin (its good) WA helps with lack of range and ammo of BS, and BONK helps you get places and back out with more security (its good) , the Winger is also a good choice for the ammo and range issue, and to get places. (its good)

[@bbarbiter]

Not exactly breaking ground here, but Loose Cannon + Tide Turner + Half-Zatoichi is one of the most fun loadouts I have ever tried. Use the loose cannon to jump and soar across the map and pick people off using your sword and shield, all while healing off the damage you took from cannon jumping. Loose Cannon my beloved.

[@gwenpolo1307]

I really think you should make a video on One Thousand Uncles in the future, it's such a unique community game mode and I think you'd like it. Possibly a class tier list?

[@Dramilos]

The beggining of the video sounds like an ai imitating great blue

[@Bailadoxical42069]

I sometimes play a combo soldier loadout (Liberty Launcher And Panic Attack) I dont really care which melee but its fun for close range combat and keeps you on your toes.

[@Fartsmella10101]

I mean its not a crazy underground loadout but i personally love maining the loose cannon using the eyelander + charge and targe. The insane buffs from the targe and 4 heads makes it super fun to get on massive killstreaks (if you can hit your donks). Personally I feel like the loose cannon is meant to hybrid with because of its more lengthy, but more rewarding shots that force you to have it deployed instead of a sticky launcher. And whenever I launch someone in the air i charge at them and even if you are no where near them they're typically low enough to get with one chop.

[@octopusjacket3472]

extremely disapointed to not have a "if you hated this video..." at the end, i swear i star to the very end just to hear that, i love them all

[@videogamahagain]

I really like dragon's fury + jetpack, similar to backburner, jetpacking onto enemies lets you use the benefits of the weapon to great degrees and I also think the fury as a whole is a super underrated and a fun and unique way to play pyro

[@TuShan18]

I’ve been using the back burner and jetpack for a while, and I really like it. Get in, torch something, get out. I also sometimes like bringing a home wrecker to quickly knock out a teleporter and dispenser while I’m at it. Most people would think to use the home wrecker as a babysitting pybro. This doesn’t change that much since it’s still a bad idea to use it against sentry guns, but quickly knocking out support buildings is pretty handy if you can quickly get to them. Otherwise a back scratcher, power jack, or axtinguisher is never a bad idea for the flying flank pyro.

[@Choccymilk-jw5sf]

If you’re wondering what the song at the end is, it’s from the pvz ost and it’s called “graze the roof”

[@SWAGMASTER88842]

I absolutely LOVE the quicky bomb launcher, it basically lets you roleplay as a artillery cannon. Open Maps like swift water, bad water, and upward the fast charging speed and increased damage on charge means you can ruin some horribly unfortunate sniper’s day☠️☠️☠️

[@masontoy1976]

elmaxos liberty launcher setup, with liberty launcher, panic attack, and garderner. basically it allows you to effectively play combo soldier, you give up some aoe, for a much more effective 1v1 roaming soldier. liberty gives you an extra rocket compared to stock meaning more movement stuff plus u take basically the same amount of self damage as gunboats stock, panic attack fast switch makes comboing easier offsetting the damage nerf on liberty , and market garden panic attack breaks the 300 damage threashold so u can consistly kill heavys.

[@ForwardStory]

The whole part about the black box felt like a blue-ball when your conclusion was to use banners. Shotguns on Soldier can be fun as hell. One of my favorite loadouts for Soldier is rocket jumper+panic attack. I call it "Fit Scout."

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Mangler+Bison+Zatoichi, The Literal Solo Soldier, doesn't even need the help of pickups!

[@DylanRiley-zt2wp]

The bison is bad :((

[@robbieramsey3092]

@@DylanRiley-zt2wpnuh uh

[@jakebeansboy3755]

Swap bison for conch and then yes

[@YouTubeHandlesSuck420]

Weapon loadouts that are now fun to Great Blue have always been a strange case to me

[@eltiohitmalo4240]

100 player servers are great for trying new guns, suddently the amputator y really good, kinda rival to the ubersaw when you have to heal another 49 people, the machina becomes a better sniper, there is a lot of variety

[@beaksters]

Always fun to learn of new play styles.

[@coffee0093]

Backburner and TT is a hood classic

[@kattymeza6958]

Out of topic,You should bring the x10 tierlists back since scout,sniper and medic have some really good options

[@MonkeMan74]

believe it or not there is a rather new video from a small tftuber all about the back burner

[@RolandTheJabberwocky]

BFB and cleaver is still super fun to use imo. You can use the knife for easy boost before engaging or toss it after losing boost to regain it for a quick escape. On top of that, it really forces you to up your footsie game as scout.

[@SpookerBBQ]

Took me a while to decipher that BFB meant Baby Face's Blaster and not Battle for BFDI

[@apblolol]

one of my favorite combos is hue long heater and the family business. the lower damage may take a bit to get used to but most the time using the shotgun like a primary and the hue long when you need to turn a corner is really fun. payload maps with the heater are good too because you just get infinite ammo on the cart. but playing a flank heavy, that has an ambush mechanic if you get right on top of the enemy is really fun

[@bluekamenrider7599]

I haven't played TF2 that much, but when I do I have a few weapons in mind: 1. For the Spy - Ambassador, Stock Sapper(I don't have any other sappers), Your Eternal Reword, and Deadringer. I don't have a reason for using the Ambassador or Sapper, but the YER has a silent kill so no-one knows if you killed someone until they use the voice chat. Also, the Deadringer gives you a temporary speed boost and invulnerability. 2. For the Engineer - Frontier Justice, Wrangler, and Gunslinger. I heard from Lazy Purple that if you combine the Wrangler and the Gunslinger, it becomes "A hilariously horrifying sniper." Not to mention the revenge crits you get from the Frontier Justice when your sentry gun goes down. Sorry for the long comment, and if anyone is reading this far, thank you.

[@RookMeAmadeus]

I recognized the sustain of the Black Box for the wrong reasons long ago. I've seen far too many times where I saw a soldier live through point-blank shooting me with a rocket with

[@modemdog3649]

I’ve had an odd amount of fun with the rocket jumper, B.A.S.E Jumper, and the pain train, it’s so so stupid but so so fun when you actually get a kill. Embrace the lobotomy, become pain train.

[@eugenenalpin6058]

My most fun to play loadout is The Methhead Scout: Shortstop, Pretty Boy's, and Fan-O-War Run in with the Fan, then retreat to mid-range & pepper them with all you've got

[@O_violet]

rocket jumper, stock shotgun, market gardener. Having the reliable, high damage of a shotgun with the free mobility of the rocket jumper is, in my opinion, really fucking fun.

[@boomjokazoomie569]

Liberty Launcher + Gunboats + Market Gardener is some of the most fun I have had in a video game, let alone TF2. It really is just trolldier but with the ability to actually do things other than market garden, and I've grown so attached to the Liberty Launcher in the past year or so that I now find its lack of damage to be charming and a part of the weapon's identity.

[@thespy9170]

The Force-of-Nature really lets you do some fun flanks as scout on many maps

[@no_i_dont_think_sooo]

a combo i use alot is dragons fury, scorch shot, and backscratcher, i go up really close, hit someones feet with the scorch shot to make them fly, and either hit them with the back scratcher or shoot a dragons fury blast at them. this combo i use may not sound very efficient but for the amount of kills and confused players ive gotten from it is kind of funny, i feel like this works is because most players dont know what to do when they start flying in the air, and before they have enough time to react, the dragons fury one shots them, i can one shot light classes with the combo 2 shot pyros and soldiers, and 4 shot heavys. its surprisingly useful edit: basically im a pyro that kills like a spy, spy-pyro... spyro?

[@pogowl3867]

5:24 its hilarious how casually the demo got telefragged and no acknowledgement of it is made

[@belugaval144]

as a medic main, i have to say that the bloodsucker is perhaps the #1 most underrated primary in tf2, mainly because the crossbow is so powerful that anything else feels like a novelty, but the added survival is really handy to keep yourself from dying just before you get uber also, not for nothing, the 'spray-and-pray' vibe of the weapon can stop enemy medics from getting crit heals, which nobody but us medics seems to realize is extremely important!

[@ZenithPeak1]

2:30 with the black box, if you use the conch and the half-zatoichi you’re basically immortal, since the conch gives you passive healing, and you’re able to heal with the zatoichi at close range

[@emirwattabor6991]

YES! The ninjaneer widowmaker is my favorite Engineer playstyle, feels so fun, fluid, and deadly

[@aneasteregg8171]

Man, I can't imagine not loving the Black Box. Sure missing out an a rocket is a signficant drawback, but getting extra health back is a huge bonus. Though personally I usually stick with a shotgun to help counterbalance that loss of a rocket.

[@zoidsfan12]

Recently fell in love with blutsauger battle medic. Got 300 kills with it today. Its like aiming a mortar and is just strangely addicting for me. Like there is something comical about managing kills with it. It's not good by any means but I literally don't wanna play anything else.

[@TheStudioArchitect]

The Eureka Effect is a super, super amazing wrench. It's effective and fun. I love it.

[@RaynmanPlays]

The Black Box is _so_ good on flank routes that don't have a lot of health. People insist that "once you learn the map," then you'll just get health from pickups and so the Black Box is a crutch, but a lot of the best flank routes don't have good health pickups. Some only have a small health pack here and there and some have no health pick ups at all (Suijin comes to mind). The Black Box is absolutely nuts if you love holding these routes because it's so hard to 1v1 a Black Box Soldier who is at full health (even _Heavies_ have a problem with this if you actually know how to utilize cover for reloading), which is what you generally have to do if he's on one of those highly underutilized flank routes. And then when you inevitably die to him, he can just spam out some rockets at your team and when you respawn or someone else on your team that's actually competent (good luck) goes to fight him, he's at full health again.

[@raging_rathalos9979]

Can we all agree that the pyro with the thermal thruster should have a subclass name called "Dragon-pyro"? it fits SO well.

[@NoSoupForYouu]

If I ever got on just to screw around and have some fun I always found the cleaners carbine + bushwacker was really fun, especially when people don't expect you to charge at them and 195 them.

[@PlainSquiffy]

My hate for afterburn lead me to my favorite playstyle; Pyro Scout Use Panic Attack as primary weapon (No random spread, quicker deploy time, more controlled precise shots negate the loss on accuracy) Degreaser as secondary to air blast projectiles, immobilize scouts, and put out teammates (I never use the flame, so ammo isn't an issue, and its quick switch-to/from speed) and Powerjack to quickly get back into the fight or Homewrecker, when on defense, to assist engies

[@Tokumastu1]

The ninjaneer slipping under your radar simply means it was doing it's job very well. Jokes aside it's my second favorite engi play-style.

[@fathorse8]

Dragon's Fury + Scorch Shot/Detonator is the most fun playstyle in this and probably any game, at least for me.

[@andresf6625]

Idk what kind of effect the thumbnail has, but i love that style

[@jojivlogs3697]

My really weird Scout one is Shortstop Crit-a-cola Candy Cane They all somehow just work as a mid range alternative

[@xigmund6652]

I have not reached a high level of playing spy yet, but L'etranger, Big Earner, and the Dead Ringer makes playing spy more fast paced and aggressive since the speed boost you get on backstab with the big earner can lead to potential big chain stabs. Plus, getting cloak back on hit with the l'etranger and big earner can quickly recharge the dead ringer, so you can keep feigning death with the speed boost, combined with the big earner speed boost becomes a playstyle I like to call: "The Speedy Spectre"

[@ShockedTaiLung]

Weapon loadouts in TF2 have always seemed like a strange case to me

[@JouisThatasupra-hh7rx]

the re-release

[@Xinthium]

Fun Fact: You can hold S while using the jetpack to go in the opposite direction of where you're aiming, this occasionally can be used to just go "F*ck it" and REVERSE JETTISON YOURSELF into a ball of unsuspecting enemies who think you're running away.

[@turkeysamwich00]

I've been having a lot of fun with Speed 'n' Bleed scout recently. Getting hit once and losing all your boost does suck, but it's the most fun I've had with any gimmicky Scout loadout.

[@TheDoc_K]

"I found that a lot of weapons that I wasn't the biggest fan of before, really shine with a secondary or melee that compliments their playstyle." WOW YOU DON'T SAY!

[@thatoneyokai5109]

Welcome to what I call the SPYro load out Backburner, Thermal Thruster, PowerJack

[@MrNicosaure]

Liberty Launcher used the way it was intended: Get in, pick a target, get out Extra rocket lets you have 1 rocket jump in, 3 rockets to fire at your target(s), and a rocket jump out, lower damage means you can only pick on light classes like Scout, Sniper, and Medic BUT Faster rocket speed with regular splash lets it combo nicely with the Reserve Shooter, making it possible to win 1v1 against Demo and Soldier, imagine the Pyro 1-2 flare combo but for Soldier...also it's a gun (you can also use the buff banner to compensate for its low damage but it's harder to build that meter in the first place, somewhat not that big of a deal since you can spam rockets on a choke point) Less self damage means you get a free gunboats while keeping a working secondary Market gardening with working primary and secondary is an hybrid trolldier's wet dream The only real weaknesses of this loadout are Heavy and lvl3 sentries, only time you can feel that damage penalty Fighting Pyro is a mixed bag, reflect timing is weird for them but nothing a good player can't reflect, Reserve Shooter having less shots per clip also makes it a little harder to get past that damage threshold but nothing is stopping you from equipping literally anything else

[@RushStudios101]

I recently found that I actually enjoy playing soldier when I use a shotgun instead of a banner/boots in secondary. It's probably the engineer main reflexes but I just really prefer to have the safety of a close-to-mid hitscan weapon

[@shadowbryant0198]

Sidney bushwaka and danger shield sounds like a riot, piss, slap with sword, and suffer no after burn

[@entity9829]

What's really fun us actually playing liberty launcher + the equalizer surprisingly, I found that the extra rocket jumping potential with the LL you could get in, take enough damage from the rocket jumping to do significant damage with the equalizer, then get out, it's really good against medics who have uber ready somehow, one of those oddly fun playstyles. Pair something like the buff banner with it to make the equalizer even more ridiculous.

[@JoSephGD]

Carbine + Bushwacka (maybe with Huntsman as primary) is surprisingly fun. You start weaker, but with enough damage you can go on a crit melee rampage. That's just fun.

[@gwenyurick9663]

I mostly play a lot of MVM now a days, but the shortstop is genuinely so much more interesting than people give it credit for in the mode. The shove is useless in PVP, but legit the shortstops shove is just enough to stop your team from failing if a robot with a decent amount of health slips by and you know you cant kill it in time. Just shove it a couple times and buy the precious few seconds you need to survive. Then for medic i exclusive run the Overdose, Vaccinator, and Amputator. The Vaccinator I find is really good in pub games where people struggle to stay alive as if you upgrade Uber time you can basically save the entire team from wiping if a big burst damage comes in (also the multiple ubers make mass revive really easy). The overdose's minor speed boost really helps make sure you can get to people who need you but also makes it that much easier to get out of a bad situation if a teammate you're healing dies from something stupid. The amputators small boost to healing just helps solidify the survivability. This lets me focus on just keeping my team alive even in the middle of everything to keep DPS up by minimizing respawn times and save money on rebuy-ins.

[@jraff2735]

My personal favorite atm is the YER spy, sure the lack of disguises can be rough, but if you can get one up in spawn and flank successfully you can fool the enemy team for AGES, sometimes it's not about getting stabs, but BECOMING the enemy, that is what all spy weapons should strive to be (Kunai Ambi and Deadringer is literally anti-spy)

[@danteydantes8415]

sometimes when i accidentally find myself in 2fort, i go pyroshark with a jetpack, so i end up harassing both people who fall in water and the snipers in the balcony, although it has the spy problem where if the enemy knows what your doing its very easy to counter

[@jafsrob]

gotta get this man into hybrid knight. iron bomber, tide turner, and claidmor. Its weird how having a sword and shield solves the long range problem demo has but not the close range problem.

[@revolvercamp8811]

Man, it was good to see my loadout in this video (Backburner, thermal thruster & powerjack)

[@tarquinioprisco8459]

the gas passer+the pomson just seeing these two weapons allows you to empty your stomach and your bowels at the same time for maximum clearing effeciency truly a combo of all time

[@jokerofspades-xt3bs]

one of my favorite loadouts is the back burner, man melter, and back scratcher

[@carlk6443]

I ironically started using the penis scout load out (backscatter, mad milk, Boston basher) but actually found it had a niche with team fights. Mad milk is a great buff for your team and the backscatter is a great distraction from your allies. If they shift theyre attention to you, your teammates get to shoot at them with less risk of dying. If they ignore you, you can get around to the back and drop them pretty quick. Plus if they turn around to flee, you can finish them off quickly. The Boston basher is my least favourite part but it helps with building Uber, which can really change the outcome of a game.

[@irregularassassin6380]

As a Medic main, I'll never tell anyone to stop helping me build Uber, but you might find more use in the Wrap Assassin. Presumably, if you milk a group, then hit someone in the centre with the bauble, you'll start to regen health from all of them as they bleed. Potentially an opening move that might help you sustain yourself as a distraction.

[@bobbyferg9173]

I rediscovered how fun the Jetpack-Backburner combo can be from watching old Muselk videos (been awhile since he's been a TF2 KZbinr huh?). And what makes the combo even better is incorporating the Powerjack in order to make the ultimate mobile Pyro. Not only does the Jetpack allow you to fly around with ease, but the extra movement speed (and occasional health on kill) make a mobile little menace that is hard to kill and has been the most fun I've had with Pyro recently

[@bazingabazingaMB]

BFB + Flying Guillotine + Boston Basher Did you know Bleed stacks? Did you know it also fills the BFB’s speed meter?

[@Brexcon.mp4]

0:02 “Last played on Jan. 5” That’s my birthday

[@lxlsquidgaming3803]

I like how your Backburner opinions are practically the exact opposite of Soundsmith's

[@andy12345678912]

Back with the old Baby Face Blaster, I loved running it with the Wrap Assassin and Guillotine. The range they had was great when your meter was empty since the reduced speed made it harder to close the gap, and landing a hit with either them gave a fair amount of instant boost. The bleed was nice for building extra speed as you go in, you could jump/double jump and let the bleed, or for extra damage as you used the speed to focus on dodging or running away. The Wrap Assassin and Cleaver are fun and satisfying to use and all 3 weapons complimented each other while also enabling the other.

[@JulieLamia]

Probably a relatively common loadout, but I like running the Force-a-Nature, Bonk! and Wrap Assassin and just heading to enemy backlines to get them as annoyed as possible with me. Enemies angry enough to chase me are enemies not fighting the rest of my team, and both the Bonk and FaN are fantastic tools to get in and out of trouble without much cost. The Wrap Assassin is just kind of there as a bonus - I'd run the Sandman if I had the confidence.

[@Exarian]

My favorite example of the meta shifting for no reason is when people realized "wait, the Dragon's fury is a fire shotgun, not a flamethrower..."

[@CodenameBolts]

Man, it's been a long while since I've used the Eureka effect. I used to use it a lot but slowly got dragged into the Gunslinger/Jag crowd. As someone who uses /tp in Minecraft a lot I feel like I'll still love using it.

[@aidan_hiatt]

Black box soldier is like a traditional tank, you sacrifice mobility for tankiness (to a certain extent)

[@bombboy3427]

If you don't mind, I have a few REALLY dumb suggestions if load outs that I enjoy when I want to go braindead monkey mode: HellDiver Demo: BASE Jumper, Sticky Jumper, and the Sportsman's Skullcutter. On any map with a high skybox, you can relentlessly dive bomb the enemy. And due to random crits, typically one tap 8 out of 9 classes... It's awesome. Spy : Le Tranger, CND, and YER. Try picking off random people and seeing how long you can fool everyone else. Stab a medic then just stand staring at the enemy as they're baffled you stopped healing. Sniper : Ignore primary, Cleaners Carbine, Bushwacka. Best on small maps of course. Running directly at an enemy before slapping them with multiple 195 damage melees is hilarious. Merry Scout : Shoestring Santa (Cosmetic), FON, Bonk!, and the Candy Cane. Run around beating people to death before binding in chat "MERRY CHRISTMAS CHUCKLENUTS!" Bonus points if it is no where near Christmas... Heavy : Tomislav, KGB, and preferably a shotgun. Getting those 5 seconds of crits after throwing yourself at an enemy is so underrated.

[@Cinnamowo]

Weapon Reskins in Weapon Reskins 2 have always Weaponed like a strange Reskins to me

[@Ikethepro18]

I've recently found myself returning to using the Cleaver and Bauble on Scout. It's stupid fun to just lob them into chokepoints and piss enemies off

[@shark-kaboom8813]

I’ve been loving Backburner + Thermal Thruster so much for a long time so it’s great to see it getting some representation.

[@Mr.SlappyTF2]

gas passer, hot hand, and airblast only. top tier fun