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[@Onionpyaazofficial]

He's actually true because in reality we also wanted to see Tom Holland's Spiderman to have same struggle as other spidermans as well and now it happened in nwh and we enjoyed it 🗿

[@fos-kun4688]

This is...terrifyingly...accurate

[@adamsin9260]

But a super hero with no struggles is boring.. people like to see a superhero where they can relate to

[@p.p.arcade6817]

@@adamsin9260 "but the one thing they like more than a hero, is to see a hero fail"

[@Naxaky]

@@p.p.arcade6817 'so they can relate to them him/her'

[@rur8480]

that's why peter is different from other heroes. He has problems, like real world problems.

[@zyrusvito]

"You know what? You're right. This city doesn't deserve a hero." _~Bully Maguire_

[@ahmadaiman7171]

Proceed dancing to jazz music

[@Wingedmagician]

Hip thrusts Green Goblin into several buildings

[@princeofsomnia7664]

gonna put some dirt in your eye

[@theprofessor3684]

"I missed the part where thats my problem"

[@rahilrameez8635]

Now dig on this

[@user-vn8cl7uq3k]

I also like his other quote. “We are what we chose to be. Now choose!”

[@ApricityGlow]

AAAAAAHHHHHHH

[@HealwaysRemembers.]

@@ApricityGlow ?

[@akiMKH]

@@HealwaysRemembers. mary jane and the civilians screaming their lungs, organs, intestines, etc out of their body.

[@HealwaysRemembers.]

@@akiMKH uhm.. Ok

[@RNRProductions-]

I love his other quote, its very inspiring "You know I'm something of a scientist myself"

[@Zzzz-ze1zk]

Notice goblin didnt unmask him. Respect

[@bedabratdutta7367]

😂

[@Playmaker146]

Cus he was finna hit em with that Yea'

[@Inferno45]

He already knew it was peter because of the blood on his hand during the Thanksgiving dinner scene.

[@wchambers11]

​@@Inferno45 That was after their talk on the rooftop.

[@Inferno45]

@@wchambers11 Wasn't the roof top scene the part where Norman kills himself with the glider at the end? If so that came way after the Thanksgiving scene.

[@lethalserenade6458]

When a villains monologue is not pointless

[@Spiralredd]

Exactly there's so many people who do good things and they just hate them. Mr beast for example this dude has done more for the earth since God put it here and so many people hate him

[@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkf]

@@Spiralreddhe denies Jesus little Timmy and got all his money from children online

[@Spiralredd]

@@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkf no he got the money from donations and ad revenue. He has a KZbin channel of 100M. And sue him for letting little Timmy live longer

[@thelocs5935]

Mewtwo ✊️

[@stimswwolf7867]

@@Spiralredd except Mr. Beast doesn’t have the character of a hero. Spider-Man saves people and wanting nothing back in return besides a safer city. MrBeast does everything for profit, capitalizes off of helping people. He does good stuff, but he’s not on the same level as a firefighter

[@raibyo]

What do people love more than a Hero? A Martyr.

[@pinky-gc7cb]

no, a parody

[@CharuzuAutomatonArtificer]

Indeed

[@caldw615]

2 Heroes

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

3 heroes?

[@neonkscksc]

a pron parody

[@thedopediabetic7204]

"Eventually they will hate you, why bother?" Bro was foreshadowing Spiderman 3

[@soumyadipXplore]

GG was Thanos..

[@damienkun8786]

@@soumyadipXplore they love me

[@Kojak.k]

@@damienkun8786 Gonna put some dirt in your eye

[@takku2160]

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[@kaikysouza9861]

@@takku2160 reported

[@tatersalad76]

I love that he's actually speaking from experience and not just out his ass. The board discarded him the second they thought he was done being useful for the company. In spite of his sacrifices

[@DiGreatDestroyer]

It’s great writing, but precisely because it shows how deluded Green Goblin is: that he thinks of himself when speaking about heroes, as if he ever was anything close to that.

[@Alknix]

@@DiGreatDestroyerBut do you know how much he sacrificed?! Seriously though, it's a great point that I don't see addressed enough, Osborn is WRONG. He's trying to project his cutthroat corporate worldview on the wider world.

[@Slukke]

Do you know what he sacrificed?

[@user-fe8du3ig7n]

No he's not lol. CEOs aren't heroes 😂

[@user-fe8du3ig7n]

​@@DiGreatDestroyerfinally somebody got this right. The number of edgelords in this comment section is mind-boggling. Im low-key concerned with this tendency to stan mass murderers and psychopaths cause of tHe SoCiEtY

[@johnrockyryan]

And Peters response to this was simple but powerful "Because its right" he's not doing this to be loved hes doing this because its his responsibility as the saviour of New York and most importantly because its the right thing to fucking do, this shit inspires me to be a better person

[@dripfoe_3307]

Why you cussing 😂

[@liccasinocomfreespins7337]

​@@dripfoe_3307 why you laughing? Goofy mofo

[@jojomuppet1820]

​@@dripfoe_3307Because they're fucking Inspired! 🙌

[@hritesh9057]

Spot on brother

[@ammar675]

Sure. Except the right thing depends on your perception of what's right and wrong, which is subjective. One man's perception of right and wrong in the eyes if another. There's only one true source of right and wrong, an objective source, which is obviously God. Now it's up to you to decide by asking those with knowledge which religion you cling to.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

What’s more unsettling is that he is speaking the truth not only for fictional superheroes, but for people in real life.

[@Flip_91FTW]

But its turned out to be wrong so he's not speaking the truth. He's speaking his truth but not the actual truth.

[@jesspeed]

@@Flip_91FTW Not his truth, a truth. The world is filled with both good and bad people

[@alexpowers5117]

That’s why I behave like a cunt and get what I want

[@namanswag9658]

I think people are like this because maybe somewhere, they want to see people rise up to odds to find motivation since it may be hard for them to find it within themselves.

[@OlusssLusss]

@@alexpowers5117 sometimes being a cunt is better than being a slave for an ungrateful people who is just using our kindness for their own profits

[@FuzionGamr]

I like the line. “Peter.. you’re struggling to have everyyything you want. While the world tries to make you choose.” It’s different lines but they mean the same.

[@hunterlawrence3573]

Strong enough to have it all, too weak to take it!

[@nexialist8160]

Now choose!!

[@videodeposu8741]

No good deed goes unpunished

[@nostalgicedits206]

“Can the Spider-Man come out to play”

[@themaker7720]

You are who you choose to be. Now choose!

[@kwk111]

I know most people hate it, but really looking at it, the goblin mask is fantastically designed

[@Spiralredd]

Exactly right.

[@yup9451]

It's all utter garbage nowadays. The CGI costumes, straight from the comic books because nerds think accuracy is the best. It's not. The best suits are Raimi and ASM1 suits. The ones that are MADE FOR THE BIG SCREEN, not ripped from the comic books. The best villain designs are also from Raimis films. All the designs nowadays are so fake, soulless and CGI. Back then they made the effort to do it all practical

[@theobserver8429]

​@@yup9451Hollywood is too afraid to be creative it's sad really

[@stopenddiscontinue]

what was it supposed to look like

[@ectrogaming4200]

PEOPLE HATE THE MASK???

[@meshachbrandon233]

"The problem with loyalty to a cause, is that the cause will always betray you." TF4 Lockdown

[@MrKingYuji]

Never realized it until now but Osborn talks from personal experience. After everything he did for Oscorp, they turned their back on him and expunged him. In his evil twisted way, Osborn is trying to save Parker from what he went through

[@Vagabondobiondo]

Excellent analysis.

[@cirrusB612]

OMG, great catch! The Goblin is a distilled version of Norman's worst traits, so this would make complete sense!

[@dipanjanghosal1662]

Damn I never realised that

[@maksymiliankossakowski-lan6978]

You deserve a cookie for that!

[@Juggernogger64]

Galaxy sized brain moment

[@huntercool2232]

Green Goblin: “Eventually they will hate you.” Tobey Maguire 20 Years Later: *Is still loved immensely by millions to this day*

[@honor6200]

But a lot of people hated Tom bc he didn't suffer enough and when he did everyone started to love him so he's not wrong

[@Blanko_nopico]

Look at little Norman Jr, gonna cry?

[@decades1912]

The legend himself "They love me!"

[@spacemann1425]

Pretty sure the dialogue wasn't about an actor playing a fictional superhero in a movie. It's based more in reality.

[@spacemann1425]

@@honor6200 that's not what thet meant either

[@Jackal19x]

Willem Dafoe was the perfect casting for green goblin, i can't see how anyone could have carried this role so hard. ❤

[@Spiralredd]

He really gave it his all

[@Skumtomten1]

​@@SpiralreddDo you even know how much he sacrificed for this role?

[@Actionfan19]

This doesn't just apply to Spider-Man, it's happened to every hero we all know.

[@Red-32]

Actually its not about tittle hero, i'm used to be adventurer and accidentally solve a problem.

[@Issei_Luciferh]

That's why it's best to become an Eminence in Shadow

[@gamexig2213]

I don't get it

[@Issei_Luciferh]

@@gamexig2213 you should watch the show. But basically by being an Eminence in Shadow the whole world can hate you and it will have no effect whatsoever.

[@danpatrickth2759]

It's best to enrich oneself and damn the villian, hero and anti hero archetypes.

[@CHABIEPORTNOY]

This is what exactly happened to Tom’s Spider-Man after far from home

[@PCG06]

Well, uhh, I missed the part where that's my problem

[@coolkidsinschool7446]

@@PCG06 I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye😐.

[@PCG06]

@@coolkidsinschool7446 😎 (stings doesn't it?)

[@PCG06]

@TheBenPatches the Peter Parker has no time for Spiderman stuff.

[@bullymaguire321]

@@PCG06 you dare to summon me?

[@johnstriker480]

"No good deed goes unpunished" has a WHOLE new level to it.

[@gottabezenn]

1k likes without replies shows that peoples respect green goblin.

[@Tristansonic911]

0:21;Because...it's right.

[@keylub8356]

Him as the joker?

[@RavanoxYT]

@Tube Surfer I'm watching this at 5 am I don't wanna sleep :(

[@lp7250]

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[@tardwrangler]

The way he says "fail fall" sounds like he misspoke

[@SurprisinglyDynamicAnimeSideC]

Was about to say the same thing lol. Thought I was the only one who noticed that. Half expected him to say "... to see you fail - fall FUCK!"

[@fatstrategist]

I always thought the same thing. It made it seem awkward to me

[@KevinVinke-hs6re]

He probably did misspeak, but they would have to do the scene again. But i kinda like it this way, it seems more human...

[@erronblack308]

@@KevinVinke-hs6re more human only in the sense that it’s a blooper….

[@KevinVinke-hs6re]

@@erronblack308 yah...a mistake... he did subconsciously

[@daboi6509]

This is the difference between the hero and the villain. the villain’s always goes with the argument “why do anything at all if it is useless” but the heroes always reply with “Because it is the right thing to do”. It was and always will be about saving people’s lives because it is what a hero does regardless of the fame and money they get. Which is why we love spiderman

[@genkureshima9834]

This weak mindset is why heroes are taken as seriously as they are (spoiler: they aren't taken seriously at all)

[@lorenzocassaro3054]

​@@genkureshima9834 You're so edgy. I'm sure your pillow waifu will be proud.

[@RadXader]

​@@genkureshima9834 It is kinda. Unless you start screaming *"JUST BECAUSE"*

[@Achievement_Unlocked_]

@@genkureshima9834not today, villian

[@shuaa641]

"When you try to fix people, there are always consequences." -Doctor Connors

[@chrismaguire3667]

Too true. Then he took an untested serum to cure his condition...

[@shuaa641]

@@chrismaguire3667 he tried to fix himself but look consequences 👀

[@sungod7320]

Applicable to dr tenma from monsters

[@boristheblade9496]

I told you there would be consequences!

[@beastieboy762]

Great dialogue like this just isn't in movies anymore because nowadays most movies are written by a bunch of woke kids who need to spell everything out.

[@unknownvariable9239]

“Despite everything you’ve done for them, eventually they will hate you” is one of the greatest quotes I’ve ever heard

[@F_R_I_E_Z_A]

Why they will hate spiderman? I don't understand

[@slthjawa5062]

@@F_R_I_E_Z_A he pinches everyone's nipples, and people are sick of it.

[@badasstigeroscar7444]

@@slthjawa5062 Exactly, I'd like to not have purple bruised nips for once. Jeez.

[@admiralflynn895]

In spite of, not despite.

[@xornedge8204]

Simple quotes that leave questions or answer questions swiftly are the way to make a legendary scene. There is a quote from Halloween that achieves this same effect lemme go fetch it. Edit: here kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXPPomRnrM96aZI

[@brian76541]

Spider-Man: “Because it’s right” Green Goblin: “bEcAuSe iT’s RiGhT”

[@davidchism6081]

Insert SpongeBob.

[@madmarcus1709]

That person who helps others simply because it should or must be done, and because it is the right thing to, is indeed without a doubt, a real superhero. -Stan Lee

[@xavierthomas5835]

As i mused on this quote, i realized the fatal flaw to Goblin's quote. It only works if you only ever operate in the realm of achievement by approval. If, however, your goal is to complet your goal, whether you gey approval or not, it cannot matter less who agrees with you or not. Which is the weakness of Spiderman. Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman. His most used nickname is the one that shows you that often he cares too much what others think about him doing what's right.

[@jpjfrey5673]

​@@xavierthomas5835like it or not, approval of the world is important. You do the right thing but get chased by the police - makes doing the right thing harder. They might sic someone who can stop you from doing the right thing on you. The bad image, if your identity is discovered, spills over onto it, making *living* a problem. And you can't do the right thing if you can't live. Heroes/people cannot exist outside of a society while helping it at the same time. You either aren't interacting with it at all or you're part of it. What you're saying is not realistically achievable

[@xavierthomas5835]

@jpjfrey5673 it is realistic if doingthe right thing IS your life. Sure, it might be undeniable that you have to live in society, but to people who live with great power to do things, acting as though you can't do then is worse than fighting against the government. Living with a guilty conscience is certainly worse than living in continuous battle against the powers that be.

[@madmarcus1709]

@@xavierthomas5835 This definitely plays into the second movie. Peter realizes how his super life is affecting his personal life. And because his powers are disappearing on him, he decides to take a break. It’s only later, once he realizes how much people need Spider-Man, and how it affects him mentally that he decides to return. His powers also return after a time that he is no longer feeling immensely stressed.

[@jakeschwartz2514]

@@xavierthomas5835you arent a hero, youre a director for child soliders. Im a hero

[@thebag2609]

"What do people love more than a hero, spiderman?" "Don't you fucking say it." "A foe." "For fucks sake..." "And what am I, spiderman?" "Please just stab me already..." "I'm Dafoe." "Goddammit."

[@emblemblade9245]

Is that from a video?

[@thebag2609]

@@emblemblade9245 nah

[@Howlsmelancholy9300]

Lmao hahahahaha

[@qualityamvs2972]

Bruh 😂😂😂

[@thecrimsonraven707]

Lol.

[@flaminggaming8407]

"You either die a hero or die later but not as a hero" inspirational quote

[@TheDecafec4]

😂

[@KaiokenRush]

“ You either die or die later “ Inspirational quote

[@Raytheharbinger0]

I think you mean "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

[@KaiokenRush]

@@Raytheharbinger0 no, it’s purposefully wrong

[@Chowder12345able]

"You'll die" some villain probably

[@reck1224]

Willem Dafoe played this part amazingly. His delivery and cadence is like a theater play. The OG Spider Man movies has aged so incredibly well. Still the best films aside from the animated ones.

[@ArnavKhode]

Goblins so right in teaching his Spider-Man this, but his actions are wrong due to the split personality. I wish he said it to Toms Spider-Man

[@savvy7081]

It's all good, Tom's Spider-Man could just watch Raimi's trilogy to get that information.

[@emanuelmaldoileacont8253]

@@savvy7081 :)))))))))))) that s a good one

[@caramelcandys]

Especially since it arguably applies to tom’s peter the most. He had the longest time to be praised by the general public and then it all comes crashing down hard

[@ArnavKhode]

@@caramelcandys Cuz his identity got revealed by a dead person and the public didn’t pay attention to that dead persons fraudulent activities

[@danchung3538]

He’s got a better one for Tom “No good deed goes unpunished”

[@anyoneofus9948]

Heros don't fall, they just live long enough to become Bully Maguire.

[@MultiUnreal]

I missed the part where that’s my problem

[@user-ts1yw6ji2o]

I m gonna put some dirt in your eyes

[@XIN_920]

You should've thought of that earlier

[@sarov7658]

Me looking at feige..

[@n30ng75]

😂 😂 😂

[@orangypteco8858]

I feel like this quote now applies to the whole MCU as it stands now

[@GRELAXMaster]

He actually predicted the time spiderman was gonna face 😮😮😮😮

[@krusherlegend1452]

Tobey : "I missed the part, where that's my problem." William Dafoe delivery of this script was top notch, the tonality & little pauses in between dialogue just *CHEF KISS* 👌

[@lightsabercollector3096]

@Rhys Higgon i missed the part where thats our problem

[@DaOfficialYGamerzYT]

I am gonna put some dirt in your eye

[@ChrisSmith-pu2qh]

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[@lightsabercollector3096]

@Rhys Higgon and i found you amusing for a while

[@levweglein3803]

his name is willem, not william

[@Himmington637]

This really applies to Tobey. He was loved then hated then the whole world loves him again. And he set the tone for Spiderman to be great..he's a legend

[@nuclearpugg]

Pizza time

[@arkansky]

People whop changed their mind on Tobey just because he made an appearance in NWH are almost directly aimed at by that quote. Love him at first or hate him for no reason but make a choice and stop shifting ffs

[@squish162]

@@arkansky you realize people are able to grow and change their opinions, right?

[@stankobarabata2406]

@@squish162 There's growing and changing your opinion as the world and your worldview changes, and then there's literally jumping on bandwagons and being easily swayed by all that hearsay nonsense. One is a normal thing, the other is a sign of just being a dumbfuck.

[@hamzakhairi4765]

Who ever hated Tobey Maguire hes the best spiderman, not that any of the others are bad.

[@pratheekkamatam4102]

It is just like "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian"

[@TwoFacedGentleman]

I love how it actually fits with what Norman's going through, after losing his partnerships, his job, even his son. The whole movie is just about two guys that take responsibility in vastly different ways.

[@BigUriel]

Dude there's taking responsibility and there's going on a murderous power trip.

[@Alknix]

@DarthMizinth Empathy for a billionaire mogul (i.e. a blood-sucking exploiter by default) who got back-stabbed by one of his equally morally bankrupt croneys, fell victim to his own stupidity and went on a murder spree endangering countless innocent lives? Srsly?

[@robutegurllyman9228]

That's when you realize that being a hero isn't about being loved but loving others

[@anthonypyritz2927]

The measure of a true hero is in the strength of their heart

[@Guardian-of-Light137]

It's not about how others feel about the hero. It's how the hero feels about them.

[@chandler6351]

Well put my man

[@thee-hee8257]

One sided love is fucking horrible tho

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@thee-hee8257 eh

[@zephyr-117sdropzone8]

"They need you right now, but when they don't? They'll cast you out like a leper." -Joker

[@Spiralredd]

Which joker said that

[@st13chet]

@@SpiralreddHeath

[@Spiralredd]

@@st13chet ah

[@mantellim5489]

I feel like he said "fail" by mistake but it didn't ruin the take so they kept it

[@frankmartinez2987]

Because it’s not about what they think. The only person you have to live with, to answer to, is yourself. That’s why you bother.

[@memecity9849]

" To each his own. I chose my path. You chose the way of the hero." " We are who we choose to be. Now choose!"

[@ADeeSHUPA]

uP

[@emmanuelharris6445]

“Nooo!!!!”

[@seulgi1211]

This is the reason why Goblin is the arch nemesis, despite Octopus being such a well written villain as well. He broke Peter's mind in NWH as well. He even gave a similar speech about how the world wanted to take everything Peter strive to have. Chills!!!

[@Ytomany]

Both technically are but otto in the comics really is one dimensional where Green Goblin has always been given more to himself like he is harrys father and he killed Peters first love gwen and when they brought him back in the 90s he set up the whole clone saga which is terrible btw but I am a sucker for green goblin and then there was that thing with Gwen they did later we shall not mention cause we all pretend it doesnt exist. I hope in Toms universe they do the Hob Goblin and play into it like the whole movie is about finding out who he is cause Tom hates and is afraid of the green goblin. HobGoblin always sucked in the comics hopefully they can improve on it.

[@ThePlastikChair]

@@Ytomany they retconned that "thing" of gwen and norman it was just an illusion made by mysterio to fuck up spider man

[@Ytomany]

@@ThePlastikChair lol for real i thought they just dont mention it anymore like spidermans child that norman took away

[@seulgi1211]

@@Ytomany that was really fck up though. I hate comic book writers when they do dark shits like that. Sigh.

[@johnconnor7501]

I think he was speaking from personal experience. His coworkers sold him out of his own company.

[@ililRover]

He is actually right

[@Obi1Classic]

People don't want a hero. They just want a good show. 😔

[@assassin8636]

Um okay?

[@jcombos]

Facts

[@silverhawkscape2677]

And one of the ways to have a good show is to make the hero suffer and fall.

[@_-x1]

​@@assassin8636very insightful and def added alot to the conversation. I'm sure somebody asked

[@CasualGamingEnthusiast]

Convinience. What humanity strives toward to.

[@ustinez3189]

It's wholesome to see a villain and a hero having a talk.

[@duckwithabs4537]

i wouldn't say wholesome is the right word, but i get the idea lol

[@princemakaida3571]

Goblin is an anti-hero. Gives advice to a kid, he should've killed.

[@xlawxc]

@yoseph.Imma back up op on this sorta, if you take this scene as Norman talking to Peter and take into account what he said right before he died that he’s been like a father to Pete this does take on a warped perspective of wholesome.

[@stripedgillette3580]

​@Sprite it's really not

[@stripedgillette3580]

@Sprite Whether or not something is wholesome is all about feelings. All I see is a deranged man talking down to a teenager he beat up. So, no, it isn't wholesome.

[@sivasaigopisetti6739]

Universal truth 😔

[@megasean3000]

There’s one thing better than a villain: A villain with a good point.

[@thomas160399]

This is basically Green Goblin's version of Harvey Dent's, "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian". The phrase rings true in most cases.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

It was years before Nolan's Batman.

[@7wikDaBusta]

After NWH I want to see Dafoe's facial expression in this scene

[@madnesscloaker1389]

Probably smiling

[@ianfinrir8724]

@@madnesscloaker1389 He does like to smile.

[@videodeposu8741]

@@madnesscloaker1389 doesn't seem like it

[@IWasaTeenageTeenWolf]

Nah, he wasn't smiling. When people smile there's a noticeable shift in the lower eyelid because you have to lift up your cheek slightly to smile. So he's talking with a really cold look if his eyes are just cutting daggers into Spidey in this scene....

[@HypocritesExposd]

The mask never bothered me, until NWH.

[@Paul_425]

That's is why you don't judge other people. This dimension is of constant change, and same goes for people's impression and thoughts of others. The one constant is Love. ❤

[@blackspiderman1887]

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

[@alainc.5554]

Goblin is right, and that's what makes him such a compelling villain. You understand his motivations, because he had everything taken from him. Not only did he have his company stolen from him, but he was also forced to give up valuable time with the son he loved because of it. He felt like the world had betrayed him despite everything he did for it. The Goblin is the very personification of this idea of hatred brewing within Norman Osborn. But I think Peter's response to Goblin's question is just as beautiful and legendary. "Because it's right." It doesn't matter what we're going through. It doesn't matter the power we have. We can ALWAYS choose to do the right thing. And that's exactly what Peter does. It's what SPIDER-MAN does. It's why Goblin was ultimately wrong in both Spider-Man 1 and No Way Home. Because both Peters did the right thing and rejected Goblin's evil philosophy, their goodness overcame Goblin's evil. Spider-Man is a beautiful tale of good triumphing over evil even when choosing evil and rejecting good would be so much easier. It's about choosing to always do the right thing because you are given the power to do so. Not because of what people will think about you, or if they will hate you. But because you KNOW it's right. With great power comes great responsibility.

[@sherlock118]

Beautifully said

[@AyKrax]

Good & bad/ Right & wrong is a social construct created by those in power. If those power were what we considered to be "evil "& they taught us to be "evil" over time then most people would be "evil". What's acceptable is all based on power. The world is amoral & Goblin understands it. But it's great movie nonetheless & people don't want a depressing ass message like that.

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

Its kinda remind Rengoku VS Akadza moment. Rengoku was literally a spider man of his movie.

[@AJLord]

Uncle Ben, is that you?

[@tex3781]

@@YaMaTo999Vir not really

[@Talker]

This is a haunting quote that serves as a perfect example of what makes Goblin so terrifying. Yes he's essentially a terrorist with super strength and access to sci fi levels of military grade technology but he is first and foremost a manipulator. He actively attempts to gaslight Peter into believing that being a hero will 1) prove pointless in the end and 2) result in innocent lives being lost. The only thing stronger than Goblins urge to kill and destroy is his need for absolute control over anything he deems a threat to his power.

[@neonkscksc]

A monopolist.

[@CarmenLC]

THE HEART OSBORN

[@dariusbrock2713]

@@CarmenLC FIRST WE ATTACK HIS HEART

[@covalent7772]

@@CarmenLC The goblin always goes for the heart

[@master-of-mind5881]

Great observation.

[@dexterjsullen]

That first spider movie was legendary

[@valenciasainz]

*"Either you Ronaldo or you Harry Maguire."* ~ Sir Alex Ferguson

[@coffeepasta6061]

this quote is amazing but my favorite is "we all wear masks Spider-man, But which one is the real one the one that hides your face or the one that is your face?"

[@dushyant_001]

Superb bro...

[@hevinnelson2741]

Bruh,tht hits deep

[@ianfinrir8724]

Of course we all wear masks, we're in the middle of a pandemic.

[@notyours807]

I like how it is followed up in Spider-man 2, where we see Peter and Spider-man are one and the same, as he saves somebody without the mask and has his mask fall off during the train scene.

[@coffeepasta6061]

@@JohnJohnson-ge8ve I agree

[@akatsuki5504]

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" as said by a certain White Knight 💯

[@4OR-Designs]

In a land of lies...the honest person is the biggest Villain of all...because the truth hurts.

[@bonzobonanza]

@@4OR-Designs That hits hard because it's true.

[@4OR-Designs]

@@bonzobonanza it's a tough world out there bud. Hang in there.

[@derekmaullo2865]

@@4OR-Designs Yeah. People call me crazy just because I think different

[@trumtrum5136]

@@4OR-Designs It's sad because the truth only hurts because of all the lies. The truth wouldn't hurt if you weren't living so many lies in the first place. Which is why people need to learn what "get over yourself" means on it's ultimate level.

[@noonecares514]

21 years later this quote still holds true today.

[@Itsnoahscott]

Green Goblin was foreshadowing Spider-Man from the 3rd movie.

[@billybutcher8083]

I loved his brutality in no way home when hes beating ten bells out of holland " strong enough to have it all.... TOO WEAK TO TAKE IT!!" genuine chills

[@slthjawa5062]

The one thing I didn't like about ' no way home ' was the fact that they changed green goblin's fighting style, they made him a wild brawler.

[@TheScarletSlayer]

@@slthjawa5062 * looks at the original spider man* ...* Looks at the newest spider man*...I mean hey you do you man

[@dreggman1924]

My disappointment was that Maguire didn’t have more interaction with the green goblin-

[@slthjawa5062]

@@TheScarletSlayer what is your point ? I liked the movie and they did in fact change goblin's fighting style.

[@TheScarletSlayer]

@@slthjawa5062 I liked both movies

[@yuna2381]

"Despite everything you’ve done for them, eventually they will hate you." That hits hard seeing as it's true in reality. You could do something amazing for loads of people but then suddenly they can just hate you.

[@raymckigney2118]

This is because people you assist are almost invariably dependent. If you don’t do everything they need forever, you’ve failed them. Avoid dependent people.

[@grunt3214]

Why do they hate.., they need to make up their mind, why do they hate?

[@rosem5041]

Don’t worry the Almighty knows that’s all that matter and keep intentions pure. For example don’t do for show because it’s people’s nature some can get jealous.

[@luisn.pietanesi255]

That, or in my experience, they'll just eventually forget that you even exist.

[@Niclopez0305]

Basically my whole life existence summerize

[@timmyfung01]

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain." Green goblins may be.

[@sabu4539]

thats two-faces quote

[@The_D_ray]

Man I love when is not the hero that makes you think, but is the villain.

[@notyours807]

I love the moment when Green-Goblin is proven wrong, when New York throws items at Green Goblin on the bridge so that he can save both the people in the cart and Mary Jane.

[@legend213]

Well he was proven right in NWH... Also I would imagine that the people at the bridge were ballsy because they dont think Goblin will attack all of them.

[@ozairchishti1264]

Proven wrong within the fictional story, sure, but on a meta level NWH proved him right. People are only just now cheering for Tom's Spidey after Goblin literally took his whole life from him.

[@ShakaHapa]

@@ozairchishti1264 Id say Mysterio took his whole life from him, but Goblin dealt the final blow

[@proto-guest4511]

@@ozairchishti1264 Well, his quote is also a reality when you think about our modern society.

[@T0pMan15]

Yeah but he wasn’t initially proven wrong, because directly after this scene you see a newspaper headline asking for the wallcrawlers arrest.

[@mr.ditkovich2826]

Unlike most quotes which is supposed to make you feel good about yourself this one is telling you that being a hero is worthless

[@Deadpool....]

Gimme rent

[@arcanemelody901]

@@Deadpool.... *”You’ll get your rent once you fix this damn door!!”*

[@netherking3988]

@@arcanemelody901 but you can't do this to me

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

But then in contrast, in Spider-Man 2 Aunt May talks how being a hero is important. Goblin says you'll be hated for wanting do something good, but Aunt May says that you do something good because it's what you have to do.

[@CrazyGamebino]

Well he’s not wrong saving the city or world is something but that’s just it it’s “something” because you can either love doing it or do it out of obligation while the two can and are mixed with the trademark great power great responsibility trope it can easily fall into just responsibilities if peter was the only hero and his villain roster still existed it would be a I’m doing this because no one else can and not in the good way where everyone who isn’t morally dubious wants to be the hero of the story look at the spidersona trend for examples of that but that’s why being the hero is tbh sad in a way you can easily fall into a day job nightmare where you aren’t enjoying it and you’re essentially just a different version of one punch man doing something they loved

[@PrplCat-nm6si]

“Despite of everything you’ve done for them eventually they will hate you why bother” that line not only means something in the movie it means something In reality with friends or with even random people and that’s painful to hear

[@ort94041]

I really love how this quote is what puts Goblin and Spiderman as complete opposites. Osborn spent years improving the world, giving everything to his company because he believed it would improve humanity. He even tested his super soldier thing on himself being sure it would take the human race to its true potential. Amd yet they turned their backs on him and screwed him over.

[@MrXaphus]

Norman Osborn is essentially a failed hero - he strove to do good but his sacrifices were deemed insufficient by those he tried to help, which embittered him. The Green Goblin epitomizes the saying "if you can't be a good example, be a bad warning" for Peter.

[@huntercool2232]

All you can see in this scene is his eyes, but you can tell Willem Dafoe is giving his all in his facial expressions. I can see why they decided to show his face more in NWH.

[@BatmanKnightfan]

This applies to Arkham Batman. See a hero fail fall. Thanks Rocksteady and Sweet Baby inc

[@shamrock141]

What's with this Sweet Baby Inc stuff all over the comments?

[@pct7620]

This and "I always win, Jack. One way or another." are my favorite antagonist quotes ever.

[@davidchism6081]

Except, the speaker of the quote you mentioned, lost big time moments later.

[@SaintStrength0]

You don't necessarily have to be a hero for other people. You can do it for yourself too.

[@Saxophalicious]

I don't think that many heroes become heroes for other people, rather they become heroes for the sake of other people. The difference between the two things is care over expectation. A true hero saves the people because nobody else can, not because the people expect the hero to save them. In that aspect, I believe every hero becomes a hero for themselves because their personal journey demands it.

[@turbonerd3075]

@@Saxophaliciousbatman is a good example of what you’re talking about.

[@cheezezlayer493]

with those kind of power they will be wanting more expect more in the end take you for granted

[@fadelallahhamaidia2541]

Like the bat

[@ansh1004]

Aunt may destroyed these lines by saying - Everybody loves a hero, people line up for 'em, cheer for them, scream their names, and years later tell how they stood in the rain for hours just to get a glimpse of the one who told them to HOLD ON a second longer. I believe theres a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble. And finally allows us to die with pride. ❤️❤️❤️ These are just negative thoughts that the Goblin is trying to put on Peter's mind and nowadays people are also so negative due to the current situations that they all are agreeing blindly

[@mr.potato5130]

Looks like you didn't see NWH bruh.

[@ansh1004]

@@mr.potato5130 Oh dear 🤣 I am talking about the real aunt may Rosemary Harris of the Trilogy 🤡🤡🤡

[@jgadiaz]

@@ansh1004 neither of them are real 🤣🤣

[@ansh1004]

@@jgadiaz 🤣🤣🤣 yeah probably

[@megaavonaco9954]

@@ansh1004 both goblin and aunt May’s points are proven in the mcu.

[@Soccercrazyigboman]

0:01 The way he's standing though 🤣. Like he's drunk and needs to take a shit

[@tcoi1872]

I like how he actually spoke to Peter like a teacher, serious and fast, almost as if he cared about Spider Man and his choices in life, thinking that his nihilistic mindset was right and an example for Spider-Man to follow.

[@princemakaida3571]

He did cared, he loves him.

[@Depth217]

What’s also really creepy in this scene is that he’s using a relatively normal, subdued tone of voice. In my memory, Goblin was always hamming it up and gravely and hoarse, like in NWH when he says “can the Spider-Man come out to play”. So it’s jarring to come back and see him speaking so calmly. Yes he still has a sinister tone of voice, but it’s so subdued and his body language, his eyes, his mannerisms are so subdued here. This is when he is pulling all the stops to manipulate and gaslight Peter, and this is when he doesn’t mess around. It’s like in The Dark Knight when The Joker was called a freak by Gambol, he lost his sentence and got really quiet, before refocusing. Or when he was completely stumped and quiet when the people of Gotham refused to kill each other. Or when Thanos was meek and humble when trying to reconnect with Gamora during his “a small price to pay for salvation” scene. It’s scenes like this that show a person for villain for who they truly are. And this shows that the Goblin isn’t just a terrorist or a supersoldier gone wrong. He’s a demon who is not playing around when he’s devoting himself to his biggest goal in life - to corrupt, to destroy people from the inside. Whether it’s twenty years ago or today in theaters, the Green Goblin deserves ranking alongside the likes of Thanos, Heath’s Joker, Kilmonger, etc.

[@jordteps1775]

Putting killmonger on the same level as Green Goblin or Heath is extremely insulting. Thanos is even a stretch

[@pompouspunk]

@@jordteps1775 yeah, green goblin and heath affect you from the inside out. While Thanos and kollmonger only stay in your mind for the duration of whatever film their in. I mean fuck, 20 years later and people still talk about green goblin, over a decade and people still talk about heath, but who the fuck is talking about Thanos or kollmonger? They are popcorn villians

[@genericyoutubechannel3790]

Kilmonger sucks. His motivation doesn't make any sense and has a ton of holes.

[@k.idesigns7092]

@@genericyoutubechannel3790 tbh I'm glad everyone doesn't like killmonger. That was the weakest part of one of my favorite marvel movies

[@lion6379]

Killmongers path was merely for egos sake, despite what he tried to do, it was against his own families wishes and eventually endangers them(typical third rate villain story). Comparing him to joker or green goblin is really comical.

[@christianinfinity8206]

I thought “strong enough to have it all, TO WEAK TO TAKE IT” was harder.

[@DarkSoulx7]

That's what it is to be a father. A husband. A family man.

[@Jichael_Mordan23]

As a young boy, I only liked the action scenes and when spiderman fights with his villians.... But now as a young man I understand it more thoroughly and the acting is just pure gold

[@amosdraak3536]

Ditto. I’m gonna rewatch them through my grown up eyes. I’ll see more the psyche of GG and social problems instead of just watching for the fights

[@sparkshark789]

Felt the same way too. The scary part of the Goblin's speech it actually makes sense. And the worst part for Peter is that he's struggling to accept that he has a point.

[@juanrisa945]

This is what i think is the Goblin's weakness: That he dosen't get across the idea that some people do stuff without seeking any sort of benefit from it. That people do what they do for the sake of others instead of themselves. This why i think he asks "Why bother?". He asks Spidey why he would help people if he isn't getting any benefits or even love or adulation from it. He never once stops to think that Spidey dosen't seek benefits from helping others.

[@ianfinrir8724]

Same reason Lex Luthor can't understand why Superman doesn't want to rule the world.

[@awakenow7147]

Great point

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@awakenow7147 uP

[@LarsonPetty]

I think that it's criminal that Hollywood will never give us a Willem Dafoe Joker.

[@DeaconRayne]

Heroes are despised because they remind the rest of us that we are not them. Heroes are guilty of the crime of being better people and that is the one crime society will not tolerate.

[@bibbus3588]

I like how goblin sounds like he actually believes he is helping Spider-Man and is genuinely confused as to why he continues to be a hero even though its screwing up his life

[@topskrtt1456]

Maturing is realizing that there are times where the villains are actually right and you can't deny it

[@alienator4684]

I mean he wasn’t really entirely right here. He was proven wrong later in the movie. So I guess he was wrong, yet right in a certain way since there’s good and bad people everywhere.

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

@@alienator4684 only to be proven right in NWH.

[@alienator4684]

@@lucifers.morningstar3805 That’s literally why I said he was wrong, but also “right in a certain way.”

[@HellishSpoon]

People want to see the hero fall because they want to see them struggle, they want to see the hero overcome it, that what makes a real hero.

[@mehulsinha7101]

You either Die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself becoming a Villain - Half Face (Dark Knight)

[@tidal1998]

“You know, I’m somewhat a scientist myself” -Green goblin

[@h_nt_r]

I just don't know how you could hate the Raimi films when they're full of moments like this where the dialogue is more serious and meaningful than 95% of anything in the MCU.

[@abehambino]

People don’t hate the raimi films, they have a legitimate gripe with ONE of the films. The third one is awful when compared to the first two, yet it does have some redeeming qualities I’ll admit. Harry’s revenge with MJ was particularly entertaining and I love that scene when he reels Peter. I also didn’t hate any of the villains, there was just not enough time to develop them. They could’ve just kept sandman and goblin and left Venom for another film.

[@masonwright7700]

Wrong

[@thatboyakira4202]

@@abehambino I stopped reading on the "the third is worse" because that movie is my favorite and I have seen many analysis and breakdowns of said movie, where people spoke POSITIVELY. What's funny is that I ALWAYS loved the movie, even as a kid. The third movie is a good movie, and a decent Spider Man Movie. Obviously not as good as the first two, but still good nonetheless. For me, even the best of then all.

[@abehambino]

@@thatboyakira4202 hence why I said the worst. You should’ve kept reading. Worse is a relative term.

[@thatboyakira4202]

@@abehambino I aknowledge that you have a point in there, however I refuse to read it out of spite.

[@JonathonsDrawings]

People don’t see your achievements, they see your mistakes.

[@SandeepMeena79]

If you try to become hero for yourself than you aren't true hero at all. A true hero does heroic work without expecting anything in return.

[@CrawDad1131]

William Dafoe's eyes are so expressive in this scene. He's always been one of my favorite actors.

[@monstertokusatsu6042]

"One thing people love more than hero, is to see a hero fail fall" Tobey after fall : my back! my back!

[@k-baye6292]

It's funny how as a kid you ignore this advice but now as an adult it starts to make sense.

[@riyaadxo]

I’d rather be a villain than a hero.

[@SciFiLOLproductions]

There’s usually villains that are physical threats, and villains that are mental threats. Goblin is and always will be a mixture of both

[@Gamer-lv2kf]

well you know i'm something of a Quoter myself...

[@sidharthballavmohanty3340]

Philosopher man, philosopher.

[@anthonyt219]

The heroes way is always the most unrewarding and hardest. But thats what makes them heroes.

[@giovannigiorgio831]

People love watching others succeed until jealousy, envy and spite set in, and they long for their failure.

[@hewhobattles8869]

As children we want to be like the heroes, but as adults we understand the villains. Spiderman was the first Superhero movie i watched as a child and i truly didn't understand what Goblin was talking about here. Coming back to this scene nearly 20years later with a different perspective, i can hear the wisdom under the madness.

[@dipanjanghosal1662]

Well said

[@howdythere2419]

Even though the “as children we want to be like the heroes, but as adults we understand the villains” saying has been memed to death it has a point. Especially with well written villains that have more motivation than just being a mustache twirling villain that is evil just for the sake of being evil. Villains with a real human motivation can be relatable at times.

[@randomguy2926]

Nah I never felt that lizard guy from amazing Spiderman to be relatable. Like who tf wants to evolve into lizards. Alteast if it was an advanced being I can understand

[@TheAthens619]

"They will eventually hate you." "That doesn't matter to me, I can be the most hated person in the world, but they can't away what makes me me. As long as I'm doing the right thing, saving people, being a hero, and standing for what's right; as long as I stick to my morals, I will always be the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man."

[@Jkd_77]

Well said. While there is some truth and wisdom in Green Goblins words it shouldn’t turn you away from doing what is truly right. Always do the right thing even if it means standing alone or being the only hero in a world full of villains. Irl, kindness nowadays- is more rare than you think.

[@JDog2656]

Indeed. Is it just me, or do most superhero movies not talk like this anymore?