Greenland ice melt - why climate communication is conservative - personal story

[@kerryburns6041]

No new source of energy will sustain the unsustainable way we live. We either live very differently or we won´t survive.

[@kristinwohlschlagel8922]

Thank you for such clear and frank explanations with such precision. Sobering but so important. It must be a heavy burden to understand what you see and study all the while keeping hope that we can begin the hard work of taking this all more seriously. From one parent to another, thank you.

[@aaronfranklin324]

One important positive feedback Dr Box is not mentioning is the rupture of the pressure cap on the aquafer beneath Greenland. And Antarctica. When you have 1600psi of hydrostatic pressure per km - up to 4500 psi- forcing water down into an ice sheet rifted crust and mantle for thousands of years, then the ice cliff failure and thinning of the coastal ice overburden, that water starts to come back up, heated by geothermal energy, and recombination of supercritical geofluids. It's an exponential runaway process. There are large surface SO2 readings over critical areas of the central dome, cascading out through the basal lake systems, and visible in the outbursts from major glacial channels that I monitor, and they peak on the new and full moon tides. These have been ramping up massively over the last two years in Greenland and Antarctica. This is running away exponentially. Thanks for your honesty Jason.

[@EvolutionWendy]

@Aaron Franklin Oh I would like to know more about that, I'll look up research, I've heard a few random comments from scientists about the growing danger of volcanics.

[@ClimateAlert]

Your welcome

[@christinearmington]

Super interesting comment. Thanks

[@erwin643]

Keep up the good work Jason! Based on my secondary research, we probably lose our civilization somewhere between 2-3 deg. C above pre-industrial baseline. This may even be a conservative estimate, considering how even COVID literally brought our civilization down to a standstill. Have a nice day!🙂

[@ravenken]

As always, clear and concise. I've always appreciated your presentations. One comment - I am wondering why presenters are showing and commenting like there is some type of rationale civilization associated with RCP 8.5? Why don't scientists come clean and point out that there is no way any civilization exists if global temps reach over 5C? Nowhere. I think this 'lie' is hurting the message.

[@MyKharli]

They do , Peter Carter and co been shouting as loud as possible but are ignored .

[@holdingpattern1254]

Well, because then you would be a doomer and you obviously just give up on recycling and turn off lights to conserve energy and not over running the AC during peak hours and driving a hybrid and buying Eco-conscious consumer goods, right? Of course, it is so that billionaire owners can maintain business as usual in terms of their competition amongst themselves at the expense of all else.

[@EmeraldView]

​@@holdingpattern1254 If the greater society understood what was coming, and that there is no stopping it, chaos would ensue. That's coming when nobody can ignore it anymore, but they don't want to start the chaos earlier than that.

[@christinearmington]

@@EmeraldView Precisely

[@miguel5785]

On the contrary, I think they are making your point very clear, given that they are warning about catastrophic consequences even for more prudent pathways. Also just to clarify, 8.5 does not refer to degrees of temperature but to radiative forcing, and the corresponding temperature increase would be less than 5 degrees Celsius.

[@everynewdaysk]

Great video, also worth mentioning the role of the "zombie fires" (the media's term for) the burning and release of methane/CO2 from peatlands around the Arctic circle which increases with rising temperatures. Once you get this process started it seems impossible to stop

[@pattirockgarden4423]

Wish more scientists would follow this man's path!

[@MyKharli]

There's loads but so what if there ignored

[@EvolutionWendy]

@@MyKharli It is alarming and baffling that the entire social structure enforces apathy. Science info is suddenly ignored, trust in science is replaced by trust in "technology." I feel a distinctive pressure in my right frontal lobe that I associate with gaslighting. The part of my brain that processes logic indicates a deep malfunction in the logic of the world.

[@johnlawlor5305]

Part of the problem is also because society cannot talk about mafia capture of intelligence networks and vice versa (a tit for tat blackmail and counter-blackmail history of corruption). See investigative historians like Jonathan Marshall and watch Gus Russo's talk at the Mob Museum of Las Vegas, but realize that Russi is acting as a limited hangout who says that ("the mafia is no more" -- basically) as we now know that FBI director William Sessions went to work as personal attorney for the head of the Russian Mafia - Semion Mogilevich after he retired from the FBI. Similarly counterintelligence chief Charles McGonigal recently plead guilty to working for Russian mobster/oligarch Oleg Deripaska. (this is not to be erican Exceptionalists either because USA is corrupted also by its own domestic corruptive influences and mafias traditionally. For the info about FBI director Sessions see investigative journalist Craig Unger's research and books and articles at New Republic) The so-called "left-wing" media has actually covered up for Orange man and are complicit in helping him by tabloidification of the issues and not getting to the root of compromise of right and left by the mafia and rogue/corrupt factions within intelligence/business. They have not done the deep investigative analysis to commect the dots which is being done by independent by metajournalists and deep politics analysts like 'The Antedote' podcast or Craig Unger or Seth Abramson (The Antedote is the most important now in my view because they realize the "left" is actually captured by the same mafia). This is why nothing is going to get better until people throw out the Russian Mafia, the neo Supermob/American mafia and the other criminals. You can see Michael Franzese the so-called "ex"- Italian-American mobster who was allied with the Russian mob in their gasoline scam that he testified about and then went to jail -- well he is now propagandizing generations as a social media influencer propagandist for the transnational crime syndicates who have captured the world. This syndicate includes many nations that worked to get Orangey into office as well --- USA-Russia-1$r@rael-China-UAE (etc) mafias... see Seth Abramson's important book 'Proof of Corruption' (and then the accompanying analysis by 'The Antedote' podcast for things he misses) and see Catherine Belton's 'Putin's People: How the KGB Took Back Russia and Then Took On the West' (and how KGB agent Putin and his other KGB peers allied themselves with the St Petersburg mafia to propel themselves to power to make a truly massive mafia state that began compromising the West) and see also DEA agent Michael Levine's 'The Big White Lie: The Deep Cover Operation That Exposed the CIA Sabotage of the Drug War' -- Jonathan Marshall's 'Dark Quadrant: Organized Crime, Big Business, and the Corruption of American Democracy (from Truman the Democrat to Trump the republican) and his paper 'Wall Street The Supermob and The CIA', -- Gus Russo's 'The Outfit' (about Chicago Outfit/Supermob's takeover of Washington D.C.) and his 'Supermob: How Sidney Korshak and his Criminal Associates Became America's Hidden Power Brokers'

[@62Cristoforo]

The jet stream has gone from a slight up and down shape, like a child’s roller coaster ride, to a severely exaggerated ‘up and down’ ‘adult’ roller coaster ride. This could account for the recent and numerous very short lived yet very intense storms we’ve experienced lately throughout Canada and Europe.

[@dianewallace6064]

Thank you for your research, Dr. Box. I appreciate your videos and your time and efforts. I will "stay tuned".

[@dereknewbury163]

Thank you for this - appreciate your work. So many alarm bells and no one is responding!

[@arnoldvankampen3672]

The consequences are beyond comprehension. Binge watching "The Day After Tomorrow" might help. There is so much manipulation going on in the world that it is ve-ry hard to believe anything at all. This category of claims need commensurate proof. But how much proof is convincing? And who will want to go along with a CO2 tax? Interestingly enough there are now trillions available for this green deal? Surely besides lining some people's pockets some amount would land on useful projects? And what a turmoil politics has had to create to get to that point. All the way up to the threat of failing central planning of the economy. Let's hope "this time" it will be different. AI, mass communication and control and all that jazz. So, then if this deluge is effectively thwarted , humanities next challenge would be how to get rid of a techno feudal system with its accompanying corruption and surveillance. Unless we get used to that as well.

[@dereknewbury163]

@@arnoldvankampen3672 Mate, we have only about ten years left. Focus on enjoying this to the full

[@PragmaticAntithesis]

Thanks for the presentation from someone born at 370ppm

[@MyKharli]

360 for me and it was made clear as a bell passing 400 would mean were locked into thousands of years of climate instability and sea level rises . Its all happening way faster in fact :(

[@billgoedecke2265]

Thank you for your work Professor Box. Do you think there is a serious issue with the aerosol masking effect in that it masks existing warming - would the surface heat jump if the aerosols (which mask warming) fell out of the sky. Are the aerosols which arise from forest fires cooling to the atmosphere or do they contribute to surface heat ( outside of the darkening of the ice sheet)? Do you think that the studies done by Shakhova and others on the East Siberian continental shelf relevant and of quality and is there a risk of a sudden burst/eruption of methane from those shallow seas? I hear these things but it is hard for me to judge the quality of these reports. Certainly Peter Wadhams brings some of these issues to the fore. Thanks!

[@markrich4036]

Excellent work.

[@hendrikbarboritsch7003]

Great presentation. Thanks for your work, have wathced lot of your vids. take care

[@mralekito]

So you were born around 1970 🙃 I was paying attention.

[@rnunezc.4575]

M gracias por tu gran trabajo Jason. Y gracias por compartirlo.

[@lawrencetaylor4101]

Merci beaucoup for this. In University in 1980 I had lots of friends in petroleum engineering, but also family in the Climate Sciences Department, before I changed and went into Pre-Medecine. At the time we talked Peak Oil, and even my Pet. Eng friends (from Iran, Iraq, Oman, Libya, Norway, Venezuela, Malaysia) told me about different techniques, such as fracking and tar sands. They didn't want to see our world using these techniques, they thought we'd develop battery storage AND production so that we could use the sun and wind. My cousin told me in the 1990s that the academic situation had changed and not in a good way. The first IPCC passed and they said we had 10 years to change. 20 years ago I started writing to Swiss financial companies asking them to invest in renewable energies. I was excited in 2007 when the OECD and the IEA talked about electrifying transport and energy systems. And angered at the role of Big Oil in continuing to deceive us with their lies. 7 years ago I started heavily promoting Windyday Concept. Community based worker coop factories to build batteries, solar panels, wind & tide turbines and local farms, with hemp and flax to replace plastics. Sadly this was not supported by any of the climate groups nor the Green Parties. I kept at it, and finally arranged a meeting with our office of economic development and they asked if I had the support of these other groups. When I answered in the negative, they smiled and showed me the door. Great video, and this moulin action on under ice dynamics has been a worry since I've been following you for years. Wouldn't you be able to map the surface bucklings to have an idea of what's happening underneath? And the recent melting of the ice cover in the Lincoln Sea will not help at all. I have a vision of the Ross Sea, when after it was ice free in their last summer, a research station had a T° anomaly in March of 38°C. And on the same day the Arctic had a 30° temp anomaly. Merde, quoi.

[@jeffgold3091]

scientists recently planning on monitoring ice melt on the “ doomsday “ glacier in west antarctica had to change their plans when excessive sea ice prevented their ship from even getting there . not only are they unable to predict what is going to happen , they don’t even know what’s happening right now

[@christinearmington]

2023 💩 vraiment 🔥😱🤬💥🌊

[@johnm3375]

Looking upstream of Jakobshavn, both just beyond the huge circular feature and where that feature feeds in to the glacier stream there appear to be self similar wave forms. I've been wondering for some time if these indicate basal water, the wave forms being harmonics of the deep bass notes as the ice moves. More visible on radar images from sentinel. It suggests, IF correct that Jakobshavns base is increasingly fluid and approaches 0C

[@karih9592]

Thank you Mr. Box for this sobering information about the reality of the sea level rise. In my understanding it is possible for the seas to rise several meters in few decades based on the paleo records. There is an additional ice melting phenomenon not mentioned in this presentation which is called "marine ice sheet or cliff instability". This could explain the couple of decades of sea level rise of several meters. This is a real possibility especially in West Antarctica due to the ground topography of the region. I have understood that this possibility exists also in Greenland especially in the fjords of eastern Greenland. So, we could see several meters of sea level rise already within few decades in this century. We need to prepare.

[@stevecampbell7620]

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[@stevecampbell7620]

science.house.gov/sites/republicans.science.house.gov/files/documents/HHRG-114-SY-WState-JChristy-20160202.pdf

[@miguel5785]

Thank you. The developments observed and their relevance for climate and for humanity were very clearly explained. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I understood and found most distressing is that food security is not only linked to global warming but specifically to Arctic warming, which is affecting the jet stream and therefore weathern patterns in the major world breadbaskets, and that AMAP has gathered strong evidence that models are underestimating Greenland melting and, therefore, are also underestimating Arctic warming and therefore are also underestimating impact on food security? Is that was is implied?

[@MarkHopewell]

A clear demonstration of the limitations of modelling.

[@mralekito]

One question - you say so many effects are not in the models- why are they not?

[@JasonBoxClimate]

I have a video that’s released soon going into detail about why the models don’t include these complicated factors

[@mralekito]

@@JasonBoxClimate Thanks Jason. I’m not a scientist but have been reading about this topic for almost 20 years (and acting - solar panel installed in 2007). It is a serious concern for modern civilization.

[@mbtrewick69]

I believe the self reinforcing feedbacks are so difficult to model so they leave them out. Am i correct Jason?

[@RobertMJohnson]

b/c models are b.s. which zero climatologists will admit. and models that do not include 'so many effects' are DEFINITIVELY b.s. if you could use the models to predict the future, why aren't they using the models to predict the stock market?

[@nicevideomancanada]

I had trouble sharing this video on Facebook. I instead copied the link and then went to my FB page and posted it there. Someone doesn't want this info getting out.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

Jason - thanks for the talk - are you promoting Sir David King's deep ocean whale feces volcanic ash algae bloom project to sequester co2? thanks

[@jeffgold3091]

as measured by world wide tide gauges , sea level is rising at the same rate it has for over 100 years

[@Jc-ms5vv]

You don’t need to worry about sea level rise, we’ll be long before that starts having major affects

[@joejoe-vx4xs]

liar

[@michaeldeierhoi4096]

Indeed, sea level rise may be the least of our concerns in the near term meaning the next decade or two. The intensity of heat waves, drought, fires, flooding and worsening hurricanes will take center stage in the years to come. This year has set of a record with 23 natural disasters in the US that have cost the country over one billion each. And a quarter of the year still remains. These increasingly catastrophic events seem to be screaming at us to take the initiative to push government to make changes to reduce fossil fuel use asap. The longer we wait the more serious will be the consequences for our children and grand children.

[@monkeyfist.348]

Nice presentation...I can feel the wheels grinding, as war challenges us to consider our fossil fuel usage. Finally we are considering big moves to green sources. I still think we need a big knockon effect, directly related to climate change to get more momentum into the system.

[@MyKharli]

To late for that

[@monkeyfist.348]

@@MyKharli, late is rather ambiguous. Late for what?

[@MyKharli]

@@monkeyfist.348 waiting for a big knock on effect to get momentum . CO2 levels should at the very least be levelled out in 2020 not accelerating upward to have any chance whatsoever of a 1.5 deg limit , now impossible so were fkd as 1.5 and over is just rolling the dice ever higher for mufti continent crop failures and mass migrations and were shite at dealing with that in any meaningful humane way . Mass starvation is now a certainty in the near future . Already 200 million on the very brink of starving .

[@monkeyfist.348]

@@MyKharli, oh ya...we passed the "save the planet" moment decades ago. We are in the "avoiding total extinction", part of this venture. Not too late for that. Never too late to try. Sometimes, that is all you can do.

[@nateisawesome766]

@@monkeyfist.348 too late. Extinction by 2040

[@ClimateAlert]

A commercial! Congrats! Did you see 60 minutes on new years?

[@kayakMike1000]

Why don't you tell us the surface mass balance of the Greenland ice sheet?

[@donhawkins9742]

good one

[@rd264]

Jason, why dont IPCC models consider the several processes you have detailed here that are increasing heat transfer and melting in the Arctic ? If the models cannot include this data, or are low balling then policy and political responses based on them is misleading, yes?

[@jamesbrucker1198]

At ~13:15 minutes into the video, Prof. Box states: "It is fair to conclude that at current CO2 we've baked in 15 meters of sea-level rise. That is the committed sea-rise." What would happen to this "committed" sea-level rise if mankind actually reduced CO2 levels? For example: back to (say) 320-350 ppm by 2100? Thanks.

[@jeffgold3091]

sea level as measured empirically by world wide tide gauges show no change in the rate of sea level rise for the last 150 years

[@jebrucker1]

@@jeffgold3091 That is false. Sea level has been rising. The data is overwhelming. Why deny the facts?

[@jeffgold3091]

@@jebrucker1 sea level has been rising for 10,000 years . the rate of sea level rise as measured directly by world wide tide gauges for the last 100:years shows no acceleration in the rate of sea level rise .

[@jeffgold3091]

at the current rate of sea level rise it will take 4500 years to rise 15 meters

[@jebrucker1]

@@jeffgold3091 Sorry, but that's not true. The rate of sea level rise is clearly increasing. I think the author of this video has a chart showing it. This is by no means natural. We'd be complete fools to ignore the possibility of a substantial sea-level rise in our lifetimes. Even less than a meter would submerge some habited islands and do billions of dollars of damage to coastal cities.

[@EmeraldView]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry to all the young people who have been robbed of a future. Unfortunately most of them are still no different than the people who brought us to this place. But to those who were worthy, and all those humans who sought a better future for all of humanity, I'm sorry.

[@jackpanella3285]

I'm going to solve the puzzle. For a large part of approximately the past 15 years, there was a manmade, intentionally formed and maintained capped inversion in the Millet Swale catchment area, southeast of Snowflake, Arizona. An inversion inhibits convection, traps heat and inhibits precipitation. The heat and lack of precipitation dries up the ground. The ground subsides, reducing aeration. The ground also develops a hard shell that inhibits infiltration of water. Heat that is trapped at the surface is stored in the ground, and since the ground can't breath as efficiently more heat will stay in the ground, and that heat will move along the underground temperature gradient. Millet Swale drains to Silver Creek, Little Colorado River, Colorado River, thru Grand Canyon and down to Lake Mead. As an analogy, one day you decide to rearrange the living room on the sunny side of the house and absent-mindedly place a chair in front of the cooling vent for the living room. The entire house heats up, because the cooling system is working less efficiently, due to the excess pressure at the blockage. Remove the chair, and the house cools down quickly. The drains (washes, rivers, lakes) also function as vents. Blocking one vent increases the pressure on all of the vents. More pressure means more heat, so now this inversion is drying up the rest of the Basin and beyond. There's the cause of duration and severity of the Southwest Drought. The ground couldn't breath, across the affected Southwest and beyond. The inversion was cooking the planet. With less water in the ground, carbon sequestration was inhibited around the globe. I have been fighting this inversion for ten years, but it was intentionally maintained. In early June of 2022, I permanently destroyed the inversion. All of these floods, heat waves, other severe weather and natural disasters are a result of the release of the excess heat that has been stored in the ground. The chair has been removed from the vent. The planet is now cooling. Carbon dioxide levels will subside, now that the water can get from the ocean to the ground. Food security is safe. The tropics can return to habitabilty. However, an unnatural high pressure remains, because I don't have access to the private property. The high pressure is surrounded by lower pressure, which lowers the pressure of all of the vents, so now excess moisture is being draw from the lakes and oceans. Phoenix should prepare for the blizzards. I'm sure that you can link other consequences. Are we ready for a new Ice Age?

[@jackpanella3285]

@@grindupBaker Try stuffing socks in the living room vent and see how quickly the house heats up when the air conditioner is working less efficiently. I've seen the scenario with central air efficiency problems on at least two occasions in my own family. Any obstacle at the vent causes an issue. Even enlarging the living space to be cooled can require modification to ducts and vents. Forcing heat into the ground at waterways isn't a small issue. The rate of heat movement at 400 feet down as a result of glaciation isn't the issue. The surface temperature is the issue. Perhaps I communicated it poorly in the original post, but let's not dismiss the premise because... glaciation. The interface between the ground and the atmosphere is at the surface. Forcing heat into the ground at the surface while blocking air circulation provides more contact between the surface and the air at the surface, which is going to heat the air. That's all fine and dandy if the heat can rise, but the inversion inhibits convection, when someone is cooking the hilltops and blocking circulation upstream.

[@jackpanella3285]

@@grindupBaker And? The lapse rate has been altered artificially. With warmer air at higher elevation convection is inhibited. What does 400 feet underground have to do with the stated premise? The issue is the gradient near the surface. Warmer surface temperature entails warmer air temperature. Partially bury a tire in direct sunlight. Feel how warm the surface of the ground around it is. With a higher temperature gradient between the surface and any depth, the heat will move at a higher rate. That heat is stored, and that heat will be released at the surface, which changes the air temperature. What is your counterpoint? You haven't made it clear.

[@Jc-ms5vv]

You don’t need to worry about any ice age

[@jackpanella3285]

@@Jc-ms5vv Tell that to Texas.

[@Jc-ms5vv]

@@jackpanella3285 lol while Texas was freezing guess what was happening in the arctic

[@musicspinner]

Holy $h*t.

[@frankiefresh79]

Thank you very much.. No need to say sorry ;) Question: Who is David ?

[@olfi500]

john schellenbuehler :D

[@contrajoints]

👀

[@WhirledPublishing]

SLR is mitigated by industrial sand extraction - a video explaining this was uploaded years ago.

[@ax14pz107]

Yeah in the same way a thin piece of tissue paper can mitigate the damage a bullet does.

[@WhirledPublishing]

​@@ax14pz107 Since climate forecasts from the IPCC have been wrong - year after year after year - and since sea level rise forecasts from Al Gore's experts have been proven wrong - since forecasts from Guy McPherson have also proven wrong ... Since Harvard's Michael Mann was exposed as a fraud in court - and since geologists have been exposed as frauds by federal investigators - since the Director of the USGS has also been exposed as a fraud ... Since climate forecasts from "scientists" going back 100 years have been wrong ... Since Psychologists tell us the 85 to 115 IQ's of "geologists" - and their colleagues in the other Earth Sciences - are the intellectual equivalent of the smart kids in fifth and six grades, and since their C average in Chemistry, Geology, Calculus, etc., from low level institutions with minimal entrance requirements also expose them as those with mind of a child, what more do you need to know before you put on your big boy pants and realize your "experts" are idiots? Since you have no substantial accomplishments in life - except for your ability to convince yourself that you're one of the smart ones - even though you have nothing to substantiate that delusion - now would be a good time to toss all that detachment from reality into the rubbish - because the insanity on display among the "scientists" and those groveling at their feet is appalling. Yes, hell on Earth is coming - and yes, very few will survive - most will die because they believe the lies from the fake experts on parade - so they fail to take intelligent action to secure their safety and survival. The fake experts are not helping anyone.

[@everythingmatters6308]

@@WhirledPublishing I checked out your channel and read your long post from three years ago under the community section. You are a delusional grandiose narcissist. With all your numerous and incredible "accomplishments" that so many people know all about, it is amazing you find so much time to troll. You do get around.

[@everythingmatters6308]

@@jeremyjackson7429 😆

[@jeffgold3091]

last year was the coldest winter ever recorded in antarctica and this summer temps have been consistently below average in the arctic . presently the NW passage is closed by ice . he is selling his need for more grant money with Alarmism .

[@jeffgold3091]

@@grindupBaker

[@jeffgold3091]

maybe after you graduate from kindergarten you can make an adult comment

[@Jc-ms5vv]

Enjoy denial while it last

[@joejoe-vx4xs]

liar

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

You're too correct! Joseph Fourier published two hundred years ago - in 1824, that "the effects of human industry" would heat up Earth. Clearly Fourier was just brown-No$ing for grant money also. Thanks for exposing the great global warming conspiracy of secret multi-billionaires from grant money.

[@patricksharp1063]

CO2 is not a pollutant, its plant food.

[@gbeachy2010]

So is poop. Too much of it in the wrong place, like your living room, would be a problem. Plants dying of heat aren't revived by more CO2.

[@jeffgold3091]

i spend about half of each year in the tropics and the weather has not changed over the years . nor is it uninhabitable although there has been some unusually cool weather this winter . where does he get his junk science . ?

[@annettemack4825]

Have you noticed Tropics are expanding toward the poles?

[@MyKharli]

. To be clear your saying because you have not noticed any change in the weather then all climate science is wrong ? gotcha ...well done at least you can delete comments now to avoid future blushes when things really kick off after an ice free artic event .

[@jeffgold3091]

@@annettemack4825 the tropics are from 23 1/2 north to 23 1/2 south by definition

[@jebrucker1]

I live full-time in Thailand (in the topics) and over the past 20 years the hottest days have gotten hotter. As the author of this video mentions, changes are greatest near the poles and least at the equator, but its clearly getting hotter. What's the point in denying the truth?

[@joejoe-vx4xs]

liar

[@brpawankumariyengar4227]

You guys are great at disappointing us, you promised Blue ocean effect and it never happened, Amazon forest is still not a grassland, Greenland has still lots of ice, costal cities are still not inundated ….. please promise what you can deliver and do not get our hopes up just to let us down …. I request ….please

[@mrrecluse7002]

By human standards, sea level rise seems slow, though they happen at the blink of an eye, by geological measurements. On the other hand, the climate related disasters are now occurring at a much greater rate than expected, due to what is going on in the Arctic.

[@brpawankumariyengar4227]

@@mrrecluse7002 Yes.... I mocked you a lot till India got hit by a heat wave this year and I experienced climate change first hand .... please accept my apologies ....

[@mrrecluse7002]

@@brpawankumariyengar4227 Thank you for your good heartedness. I hope you can stay safe when it gets that bad, in India.

[@brpawankumariyengar4227]

@@mrrecluse7002 Thanks

[@MyKharli]

Are you deaf and blind , just because your doing ok you cannot see what's going on around you ? Do you listen to Desantis and co ? You guys are great for cherry picking something someone said like it was the thing everyone was saying and because it didn't happen then all the rest is rubbish and that makes sense to you ? Good grief , get a grip !