Tropical heat and moisture to Greenland and the European State of the Climate - economic impacts

[@EnvironmentalCoffeehouse]

Thanks for this update. It needs to be shared far and wide🍃

[@mickdaly2778]

Baldrick! I've a cunning plan - Gonna dress myself up in a Polar bear pelt and get fat off the glut of seal blubber on the glut of ice-floes baby 🦭

[@williameuler8056]

Thanks Jason. Greatly appreciated all your efforts to inform.

[@-LightningRod-]

In my Alarmist information silo , we often joked about "Tsunami-bergs" where the Greenland ice sheet slips off and causes havoc, like Noahs flood,... it doesn't seem so funny now. The Data is remarkable, the resolution is state of the art. Clearly MrBoxx, ...100% of the population will listen and understand ,...eventually. i am grateful for your effort and your decision to share and present this information.

[@wardmclaughlin2123]

Great work mon ami! Merci!

[@climatechaos5809]

Thanks Jason

[@davidgifford8112]

A little confused by the Europe summer temperature anomaly chart (0:26) the very long hot summer of 1976 (where it was so hot, Road tarmac softened and deformed under pressure seems to have disappeared?

[@spanke2999]

well it's the average of June, July and August compared to the reference period 1991-2020. not anomalies per se, but anomalies compared to an already warmed atmosphere. and sadly, the former 'hot' is the current normal. I guess this is the point of a global warming trend.

[@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039]

Scary numbers very well presented

[@nancyhope2205]

Thank you for the detailed sitrep.

[@marko8095]

thank you

[@MrRandythibeault]

Thanks for doing this.

[@justmenotyou3151]

There is no technology that will be able to mitigate this in time. Tipping points, hear we come.

[@Patrick_Ross]

We’ve already passed the tipping points. Substantial sea level rise and extreme climate impacts are already baked in.

[@justmenotyou3151]

@@Patrick_Ross we have passed some. The big one not yet. When methane hydrates kick out the question will be will we turn into Venus or Mars. Venus with a hot dense carbon atmosphere or Mars after our atmosphere expands so much the sun blows it away. Well never live to see which.

[@paulchace2391]

Outstanding presentation....I will watch over and over. It is a pleasure listening to you Thank you for the facts On the coast of SEMass. In the USA It's getting hot

[@reuireuiop0]

​@@justmenotyou3151 Though methane may kick Earth's climate into another orbit, Venus or Mars are out of the question. We've had levels over 3000ppm before, and life did survive. It's doubtful anything larger than a rat will get past such levels, but there will be tough insects, grasses, algae and such bringing life back in balance, even when it takes millions of years. Such circumstances are still not something to dream of, but a total extinction of life ain't gonna happen. The questions here is how extreme things will get. Even if hydrates get triggered, as long as avg temps in the Arctic stay under 30, chances are man will survive, going back to hunting the remaining small hardy mammals like goats. You can have moonscape all along the tropics, if there's still some livable corner, you can be sure our survivors will find it. The bad part, obviously, is what's happened to those that don't make it. The easy part being life without phones & apps.

[@wlhgmk]

Another factor might be relevant here. The latent heat for water, from solid to liquid is 80Cal per kg of H20. The latent heat from liquid to gas is 540Cal per kg. This means that every kg of water vapor that condenses out of the atmosphere on to the ice, releases enough heat to melt 6.75kg of ice. (probably a bit less since this released heat has to first bring the ice up to 0 degrees C).

[@billgoedecke2265]

Thank you very much for the information and for your work.

[@MarkHopewell]

It's interesting to note the oceanic heatwaves, especially evident on coastal fringes. We have a severe occurence here in the UK. This morning, I watched a climate forecast from New Zealand where they mentioned they also have had a persistent ocean heatwave in their coastal waters and it's currently Winter for them.

[@clappedoutmotor]

Thanks for this

[@kirkfrauenheim77]

Great report. I heard today that global sea level rise has increased to 4.6mm a year.

[@rd264]

Jason Box and others have shown that ice shelf surface melting is significant because it can enter cracks and crevasses that reach the bottom of the ice shelf which can allow it to move faster toward discharge at the sea coast

[@boombot934]

"In the age of extinction only love❤ remains" ©Guy McPherson😢😢😢

[@iancormie9916]

We are now going in to a cold period so it will be interesting to see what happens over the next 30 years.

[@scottekoontz]

I wish there we would see another "we are due for cooling" $10,000 bet like there was in the 2000s. Of course the "scientist" who made the bet and claimed we would cool did not pay up.

[@Arturo-lapaz]

Incorrect we are just leaving a glaciation period, appoaching modest warming.!

[@joejoe-vx4xs]

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[@em945]

That data was extreme. I bet there are a LOT of interests watching eagerly to find out how soon they can mine stuff. Thank you, Jason.

[@daniellarson3068]

Maybe pasture land too.

[@jededge]

it took millions of years for the ice to form ,this entire system is going to crash

[@omvendthammer]

Beautiful presentation - and scary.

[@BobHoward-g6t]

Thank you Jason, people will listen eventually. I’m afraid too many people will say that nobody warned them

[@trstquint7114]

Still, too many people do not take any notice of your great and also alarming videos.

[@dawnjones659]

Such important information going forward!

[@nottenvironmental6208]

Inflation is now driven by profit, not the war or covid. Look it up

[@alexgoslar4057]

Thank you for sharing this.

[@MarneeMadsen]

Excellence as always Dr Boxx. We need planetary hospice that includes any sort of response commensurate to our dire situation.

[@wendydelisse9778]

On land north of 50 degrees north latitude in the Northern Hemisphere (and south of 50 degrees south latitude in the Southern Hemisphere), the minus 10 degree Celsius average annual temperature contour historically tracked fairly well with the cryosphere boundary. At colder temperatures, there was typically either permafrost or year round ice cover. At warmer temperatures, there was typically neither year round ice cover nor permafrost. Something that computers can in theory do is put together a year by year animation of the -5 and -10 and -20 degree Celsius average annual temperature contours on Greenland for the years 2001 through 2022, the first 22 years of the 21st Century. There will of course be some jumping back and forth of contour lines from year to year, but people need to be able to see that jumping back and forth in order to understand year to year variation. In order to remove a lot of that jumping back and forth of contour lines and present a smoother upslope motion, 11-year medians can then be used. If one takes a consecutive series of 11 average annual temperatures at a location, the middle value of those 11 average annual temperatures is the 11-year median. A median of annual temperatures representing a series of years consisting of an odd number of years, 7 years or 9 years or 11 years or 13 years as examples, also has the property of representing one year (sometimes more than one year) that actually happened, and a series of medians in general when put in an animation will tend to progress rather smoothly during a temperature uptrend, with few occurrences of backtracking, regardless of whether an even number of years or an odd number of years is represented. Also, 11 years is the approximate length of a solar intensity cycle, thus mostly avoiding the complaints from the "cycles of the Sun" crowd among the fossil fuel shills, who might otherwise make claims of such an animation "cherry picking" from some portion of the solar intensity cycle. The way that an animation of 11-year medians would work is 1. 2001 to 2011 median temperature contours 2. 2002 to 2012 median temperature contours 3. 2003 to 2013 median temperature contours 4. 2004 to 2014 median temperature contours . . . and so forth In the long term, 21-year medians would be statistically better for an animation properly representing the retreat of the -10 degree Celsius isotherm during 21st Century, but as a practical matter, not enough years have happened yet during the 21st Century to make such an animation be at lengthy enough. A 21-year median also matches very well with the length of the solar magnetic cycle, thus further avoiding the bothersome "cycles of the Sun" critics from the fossil fuel shill people. Short version: Various sorts of animations of the retreat of the -5 and -10 and -20 degree Celsius isotherms could be highly educational with regard to the trend of cryosphere loss in general, and with regard to ice sheet loss in particular. Ideally, such an animation would include Baffin Island and Ellesmere Island and Svalbard and Iceland as well as Greenland, but such a Greenland-only temperature contour retreat animation would be good enough, especially as a starting point for others who might consider doing similar animations of temperature contour retreats.

[@paulchace2391]

What are your credentials please, and who are you?

[@Polymath9000]

How much longer before BOE or Greenland ice sheet melts.

[@a.randomjack6661]

Science based policies? But we are ran by junkies, profit junkies.🤑 I could recommend a few economists to read or listen to. Yanis Varoufakis, Prof. Richard Wolf, and the one I recommend most is Prof. Michael Hudson. These 2 books help understand a lot about our "system'" Killing the Host and Super Imperialism. Might be depressing though... but, Keep Fighting ✊

[@chris4973]

add to your list… Nomi Prinz, Herman Daly, Naomi Klein

[@Patrick_Ross]

Why this channel doesn’t get tens of thousands of views is indicative of the mass ignorance that is essentially dooming the human species. Not to mention the millions of other species we are taking along with us.

[@MrRandythibeault]

You all know where we stand. The least you could do is lend a silent hand. So long as your conscience can serve you. Then you are welcome the Last Revolution. Or suffer the Paradoxes you created with your silence.

[@myplan8166]

What kind of action do you expect from people who will watch this video?

[@brentsummers7377]

Meanwhile videos such as "Cat sleeps on Dog's bed" can get millions of views😂

[@guycloutier4182]

Why it doesn’t get thousands of views?… Let’s try an explanation: the viewers don’t share it enough, either on their private social media thread, or on the group threads they have subscribed to. (I’m not very lucky. I have to translate enough of the presentation in French before sharing anything. I’ll have to ask Dr Box for a transcript, and start from the written text.)

[@lawrencetaylor4101]

I've already added Winter Melt Season to my climate lexicon. There seems to be a phenomenon of temperature anomalies at 1000 hPa, with warm air being found about 110 meters above the ice sheet. I think it started in 2015 and 2016, both El Nino years. 2022 and 2023 both were under a La Nina that's been around so long I bought her a rocking chair and called her La Abuela.

[@andyjackson3414]

For many years I lived in a place where the snow would pile up all winter, by April, settled snow-pack averaging a little over a meter. I could watch the snow as it melted, became "corn" carrying an increasingly dark blanket of pin-needles, dust and other forest debris. I might have seen it rain on top of the snow pack, I can't remember when that happened. It would often wet snow on top of the snow-pack, and even that kind of water would hasten the melt. After each spring storm the remaining drifts would be much smaller. I believe that water at one C can melt more ice and snow than air at 30 C. Even if it comes from freshly fallen wet snow.

[@JeffHoldenWS-NC]

I guess Greenland's going to become green again and will be able to grow crops once more like the good old days

[@coka237]

Amazing, with all these data and still no BOE...

[@lonewanderer9982]

​@Escape from extinction, anyone? Not to mention solar maximum.

[@nickkacures2304]

Wow!!! I believe what I see but this is so out of equilibrium that it’s looking like a major tipping point has been crossed!!! What would the speed of the low pressure systems have been 30 years ago 50 years ago and 100 years ago

[@reuireuiop0]

Feel this factual content don't need that kind of foreboding background music

[@lshwadchuck5643]

Let poor Jason express his artistic side.

[@piotrwojdelko1150]

As a Pole I want to say 2022 was the coldest summer in the last decade.grapes which should ripe in August it ripped in October.You should be more precise in west Europe

[@Patrick_Ross]

And yet this past winter was the second warmest on record across Europe, exceeded only by the winter of 2019-2020.

[@daviribeiro8846]

High, here is Ana Maria ftom Brasil in Rio

[@SomeIdiot983]

Louder

[@WildMessages]

Sounds like a good time to buy property in Alaska ... for your grandkids

[@freeheeler09]

We are tired of the fires and heat and smoke in the SW US. We are heading north in the next year or two.

[@OneWhoWalksAlone]

🍿🍿🍿

[@KabonkNo1]

I'm pretty sure the european giraffes are ok. ( 0:29 ). Maybe a picture of a "suffocating" european polar bear will be a better choice.

[@bonniepoole1095]

And the developed world is still worried about "economic growth." People continue their consumptive selfishness to the detriment of the planetary ecosystem. We shall reap what we sow: catastrophe.

[@EmeraldView]

It's over

[@lonewanderer9982]

No we can rebuild it we have the technology actually 😅.

[@EmeraldView]

@@lonewanderer9982 😄

[@edwardhanna3174]

Great effort, Jason. This video is really really good and a great educational resource. I will do my best to promote it.

[@martinklawinski2933]

Interesting video but a missleading . It's a video about 2022 weather. Talking about climate is talking about a 30 year period, not one year or some days of rain. That's all weather. The political statement at the end explains the missleading and emotional (the music!) presentation.

[@petrairene]

Interesting. And depressing.

[@TheWtfnonamez]

I have no doubt that this stuff is happening, but how can we claim to understand why? The planet is 4.5 billion years old. We have been keeping records for less than 300 years. Climate science pretty much started forty years ago. Imagine a tourist going to a an ancient Spanish hilltop town that has been there for centuries. After two seconds he starts making pronouncements about the towns economic future. These are the scales we are talking about.

[@joejoe-vx4xs]

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[@michaeldeierhoi4096]

No it's not as simplistic as you claim. In the first place there are massive changes that have occurred in the world in the past several decades, but the foundation of those changes started many decades earlier. At the beginning of the industrial age 150 years ago the CO2 level was at about 280 ppm. 100 years later it had only increased to 325 ppm in 1970. Since then CO2 has increased by almost 100ppm!! That is a total increase of 50%!! The rate of CO2 has accelerated as has methane CH4 which contributes 15-20 % to warming despite being less concentrated. As predicted weather has become more extreme with extreme flooding, heat waves and drought all more intense. The Arctic ice cap continues to recede further than in the 20th century and so on. This information is all easily accessible.

[@TheWtfnonamez]

​@@michaeldeierhoi4096 Well this is the problem really.... people quote Wikipedia as if its an autoreactive source, when its a highly subjective account moderated by climate activists. With the absolute greatest respect, here are few counterpoints (and yes I checked, you lifted that straight out of Wikipedia) Co2 has not risen by 50%. That would mean it was .026% of the atmosphere prior to the industrial revolution. All the quotes saying "+50%" are based on ppm and not total percentage and all stem from the WEF and climate scientists. Nobody likes to show the raw percentages from the past because it will show two things. We are at an all time historical LOW for Co2 (over the last 50million years), and that the raw percentage of Co2 prior to the industrial revolution was closer to 0.039%. Not exactly sure what these PPM figures come from but they are all from the pro-climate change camp. Most of the flooding, drought and forest fires are entirely an issue of management and not atmosphere. Most wild fires these days are the result on a total ban on controlled burns, a practise that dates back farther than Native American Indians. For millennia humans have conducted controlled burns to create fire breaks yet now they are almost universally banned because climate change.... and we have many more fires. Similarly the biggest single cause of flooding is man made changes to the land. The combination of hydroelectric dams, and bad drainage means water run-off is less controlled and faster. So if you want to talk to me about land use Im all ears, but its not global warming causing this. Its overpopulation bad drainage management, and industrial farming. Eg the "droughts" in California are a direct result of the local government being paid off to grant exclusive well drilling rights to big-agriculture, who grow water-rich crops and send them abroad. This literally removes millions of tonnes of water per month in the summer, and transports it to other parts of the globe. Now add to this there is counterfactual information that nobody wants to listen to. Like there is a giant river in the Amazon and its water level directly correlates with solar activity... literally exactly. They dont know why but they DO know that the water flow increases as a result of factors outside the planet. Now I appreciate that you might argue that some of my responses are correlations and not causal, and I would respond.... ALL historical environmental science is entirely correlation. There is no "science" here. This is a bunch of scientists getting paid a lot of money by people like the WEF to do research and whilst the money train runs everyone is on board. Its just a correlation. Co2 levels AND the global temperature might be rising because of a third factor like solar activity or a reduction of natural forests. We dont know, and anyone claiming they DO factually know is reaching. Here is what we DO factually know .... The Co2 levels prior to the industrial revolution were near as damn it 0.04% and thats where they are now. The optimal amount of Co2 for plants to thrive is closer to 0.25%, that is why farmers pump Co2 into their greenhouses (and yes, that is the original source of the term "greenhouse gas" fyi) Co2 levels are at a historical 50 million year low. Plants need more Co2 to grow optimally All climate science is a combination of correlation and theory. Its not "science" because by definition there is no PROOF. A scientist who has been listening to this drivel his whole life, I am tired of everyone predicting an imminent calamity that never comes. Decade after decade passes, and I just see the climate cult switch to different doomsday predictions, and methods of testing that distort the fact. I appreciate the moral dimension here ....everyone wants to be the good guy who saves the world.... but I dont doubt this nonsense because Im a bad person, I doubt it because its a movement primarily funded by energy companies and NGOs like the WEF, who present theory as fact, whilst forcing taxes and industrial subsidies all in the name of a 50 year old lie.

[@michaeldeierhoi4096]

@@TheWtfnonamez The math is simple. 200 hundred years ago the atmospheric CO2 was 280 ppm. This spring it hit 424 ppm. That is an increase of 50%. I didn't even bother to read the rest of your comment mostly because you first few sentences weren't convincing.

[@TheWtfnonamez]

@@michaeldeierhoi4096 Last time I checked, sticking your fingers in your ears and saying lah lah lah was evidence based science. I wish you good luck with your wilful ignorance of the facts.

[@pastsfuture]

Tough

[@ADobbin1]

There is evidence of huge forests in greenland as recently as 1k years ago. In contrast there are no trees there now.

[@michaeldeierhoi4096]

And what evidence would that be? A lot of folks make claims, but then can't produce the evidence that they claim is the proof.

[@finky555]

Where is October charts? One month anomaly does not necessarily prove anything in the long term, especially when a a hurricane obviously had an effect out of the normal.

[@tinoyb9294]

It's too late. Red-assed-monkeys gonna generate heat.

[@arshia2248]

Cool presentation with some spooky music.. it will take soooooooo long for it to melt that it shouldn't really be that concerning to anyone who is alive right now. It's concerning that sea levels will rise, but humans can always relocate their cities to different locations. I was wondering when you predict a Ice free arctic and if you could tell me why the top of Greenland is not covered in ice around pearyland?

[@Patrick_Ross]

Hope you don’t take this as an insult but you haven’t been paying attention. Warming is already killing people and causing crop damage and many other negative impacts. Do you not have grandchildren?!

[@arshia2248]

@Patrick Ross I don't have grandchildren due to being too young. I think humans will adapt to climate change as they have done throughout our history. Remember, the earth's climate has recently come out of an ice age and has been warming since. The human race wouldn't have achieved the level of success it's had if the earth wasn't warming. It will take 1000 years for the ice sheet to melt, according to scientists. So I think your grandchildren are safe.

[@oliviachipperfield6029]

​@Arshia and we wouldn't have grown by 6 billion in about 120 years without fossil fuels. Now we are over-populated and climate change is causing lower crop yields, and lower nutrient value as well. This will only get worse as temps climb. Humans, other animals, and plants simply cannot adapt quickly enough to deal with an increasingly warmer Earth. We are in the midst of abrupt climate change - ABRUPT.

[@arshia2248]

@Olivia Chipperfield I'm pretty sure we will be fine. At the end of the day, we can always go nuclear and drastically reduce our fossil fuel use. 1/3 of food is wasted or lost. I'm sure we can come up with solutions... Yes, fossil fuels and genetically modified crops have supercharged population growth, but recently, lots of countries are actually in population decline, thus adjusting to a more sustainable rate. I would be more concerned with nuclear war than melting ICE to be honest.

[@MJ-on2xr]

@@arshia2248 global dimming/Republicans are why we are going extinct look it up

[@MrRandythibeault]

"Oh God above and below, There were things they didn't know, please spare the Rich Kids. It's not their fault they never tried when The Way had been implied, please spare the Rich Kids. In a World that's Hallowed Whole, with the burning of your coal, please spare the Rich Kids. Hell is there any company? Or is this Fantasy? Is there a way for you and me to Spare the Rich Kids? With Truth basking in the Sun, they were busy having "Fun", Please spare the Rich Kids. With the writing on the wall they had someone else to call, please spare the Rich Kids. They have suffered consequence, now they know there's no Defense, please spare the Rich Kids. Bombs an Guns were all abound, however deafening they sound, please spare the Rich Kids. Oh spare the Rich Kids. Spare the Rich Kids. -Amen"

[@daviribeiro8846]

Yout resulta from your network registrarem sometimg Tbat I am not usei yo observe The albedo

[@Arturo-lapaz]

It is obvious that in Iceland considerable heat is geothermal, Greenland is not far from there, The magnetic pole has steadily moved north, those are clear indications that considerable, internal geothermal heating takes place. What is the source of that energy? part the over 3000 degree magma flowing continiously being heated by radioisotpe decay. The rotating earth produces the internal circulation , generating the magnetic field of about 200 micro Tesla. Incredibly, totally ignored, blaming the warming on the weak green house gas effect.

[@joejoe-vx4xs]

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[@michaeldeierhoi4096]

This article says just the opposite Arturo. There is no evidence of volcanic activity in Greenland and there hasn't been since before the Pliocene which began 5.3 million years ago. Iceland is sitting on a hot spot on the divergent plate boundary in the north atlantic so of course it has a lot of volcanic activity. Greenland is well west of that plate boundary. climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/2982/fire-and-ice-why-volcanic-activity-is-not-melting-the-polar-ice-sheets/

[@daviribeiro8846]

I d i n d t u N d e r s t a N d at akl why The albedo Becker negative....whst crystalography Hás yo fo eiyh kt

[@TheDoomWizard]

Yikes