Plato's dialogue, the Lysis - Introduction to Philosophy

[@thyself8004]

I just read this dialogue and as I was nearing the end I just started dying laughing at how absolutely absurd and confusing the whole thing became. What got me was when he said “So the friend is friend of its friend for the sake of a friend, on account of its enemy”

[@GregoryBSadler]

Well, glad you got something out of it

[@GregoryBSadler]

We dive in to our first text for the Introduction to Philosophy class -- grappling with the questions of what love and friendship are and how they work

[@TannerCLynn]

These videos have been an invaluable help as I make my way through all of Plato’s Dialogues. Lysis was especially abstract

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad it was helpful for you

[@Thorword]

Never read any of Plato's dialogues, but I watched the whole thing and enjoyed it (and was surprised to hear the Japanese dog, Hachi, get a quick mention). Definitely my favourite video from you so far. Kudos for never shutting any of the kids down--I felt a sort of vicarious sense of accomplishment for them every time they contributed and you went on to elaborate on their statements--and 'hell yeah' irt to '70s/'80s metal. Keep up the good work!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yeah. . . it wouldn't occur to me to shut any of these Marist kids down -- they generally are a bit shy about talking anyway, so I want to foster their involvement as much as I can. Glad you enjoyed this video in particular. Interesting to find out that it makes sense even without having read the text

[@noneckmongoose5549]

I've gotten into the wisdom of the ancient world recently. I began reading philosophy books on my own and your lectures have been an excellent source to fill in the gaps of what I didn't understand or misunderstood. Much appreciated!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad they're useful for you

[@jaimesandoval1988]

Without this lecture I would have been lost in this piece. Your final question was deep and got thinking. Great as usual.

[@MrLethivic]

Your videos are great , Greg. You're a damn good teacher.. Greetings from Brazil

[@GregoryBSadler]

Thanks!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad it was helpful!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Thanks!

[@RebNegru]

Thank you for the video!!

[@GregoryBSadler]

If what you're asking is whether I'm uploading them with a direct feed to youtube, No. If what you're asking is whether we're actually getting them uploaded in a timely manner, as opposed to the lag-time in previous semesters, Yes. It's much better for my students to have them available to them soon after I actually shoot them in class. I've now got a Mac, so that becomes much easier for me to do

[@annamastro3534]

thank you for explaining this to me because I was completely lost.

[@GregoryBSadler]

You're welcome!

[@jaimesandoval1988]

Great. I love it.

[@steffieboy400]

Great vid and very insightful because I couldn't grasp the text fully at the first read. Will reread it soon.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad it was helpful for you

[@Cristian-Lascu]

very nice !

[@xyoungdipsetx]

How can I learn more of this in depth?

[@GregoryBSadler]

I have a number of other videos on Plato. Or, you could take a class. I also offer tutorial services, and if you're interested in that, here's my page - reasonio.wordpress.com/tutorials/

[@RainyDay_xoxo]

I want to use this lecture as a source for part of ,for lack of better a better term (profielwerkstuk in Dutch), high school thesis. I was wondering in what way you would want to be appropriately credited? And thank you for posting this kind of stuff on youtube, it's a joy to listen to for me.

[@GregoryBSadler]

I think there are some bibliographical conventions for how to cite a video. I would just use those. Glad you enjoy the videos!

[@jaimesandoval1988]

Huh. Are you uploading your class lectures as you are currently teaching them?

[@RebNegru]

In Aristotle E.N, we have 3 types of friendship. Here in Lysis, how many types of friendship we have here?

[@GregoryBSadler]

Did you watch the video or read the text? I think you'll find the answer

[@RebNegru]

Yes, you explain it, but its strange because in book from Romanian, I don t find some kinds of friendship. Constantin Noica - Plato Vol II, Lysis.

[@RebNegru]

Constantin Noica speak about external mobiles from 218 d to 220 e, and internal mobile 220 e to 221 d, He speak about 5 types of friendship and 2 are included in 1.

[@RebNegru]

I think I will go on your hand and I will explain in my exam 8 types of friendship.

[@xyoungdipsetx]

What part or where can I look into of Plato in the arena and they would workout. What's that called

[@GregoryBSadler]

Are you asking about the gymnasium?

[@xyoungdipsetx]

YES the gymnasium

[@WoolleyWoolf]

Great intro level lecture that is engaging. Not for those who want a concise presentation or summary of the key points.

[@xyoungdipsetx]

Around what years did this take place

[@GregoryBSadler]

The dialogue may never have actually taken place. If it did occur, it was probably sometime towards the end of the 5th century BCE

[@andrewweightman137]

Why is Socrates so black and white? Don't all people fall into the category of neither good or bad? Even the inherently good or bad person still contains some of the opposite so aren't we both? Also rather than a friend being congenial, could a friend be described as someone who's character and traits are complementary to your own, and likewise? So that there is a give and take but not in the utilitarian sense of usefulness? Or is friendship a state of mind we can achieve with any human?

[@GregoryBSadler]

Well, for starters. . . can you actually engage in argument and investigation without assuming some things at least (provisionally, understanding you're generalizing, etc.) to actually be opposites? Socrates isn't drawing conclusions in this aporetic dialogue, now is he? You're going to find that Plato will often have Socrates make arguments that contain some flaws when he's engaged with weaker interlocutors. But, engaging in the old "things can be grey" line isn't really going to bring much to the conversation -- you could probably assume that Socrates and Plato probably thought about the sorts of points you're raising. So, you want to think about why he leads his young interlocutors -- and the reader -- through all those different discussions about friendship. . .

[@andrewweightman137]

Ahh I see. This makes sense now, thanks Greg.

[@shylockmaximus3861]

I have always known about Plato but have never read the dialogs or any other books/lectures/papers before today. I am 31 years old. I have now read Euthyphro, Apology and like half of Crito in the last hour or two. His work has already had unfathomable effects on me. I can feel it inside of my brain and I would say it compares to someone who finds Jesus or Muhommed or whoever when you are right on the brink of self-destruction. It is a profound fucking experience. I am "laymen" for lack of a better term with no university and no philosophy tutor and no physical hard copy of his work. None of this matters because almost instantly you find that rich, poor, smart, stupid, young, old, friend or enemy it does not matter, they may be able to teach you something and show you a better way. It is on YOU to find it and question it and most importantly (debateable of course) be able to disregard it when something that is more truer or more just comes along. I think im getting it but im damn sure someone would disagree.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Well, there's "getting it" - at the start - and then there's plenty of further experiences of that, as you reread, discuss, reflect, etc.

[@Km0577]

How do I gain admittance to your school?ahah

[@GregoryBSadler]

What school?

[@Km0577]

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