Plato, Ion | Poetry and Divine Inspiration | Philosophy Core Concepts

[@wirag4680]

I am just entering the realm of Plato (perhaps at too young an age) and this really helps me understand it. Thank you so much!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad it's useful for you!

[@redheadab9826]

Aside from the rich content you provide, I appreciate your chalk board.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yes - I'm old school that way

[@ansarallahi]

plato just leaves everything open, i wonder if he just wanted the dialogues to be food for thought. Im actually reading plato right now so thanks for this vid plato is always inspirational himself god knows maybe he himself were possessed of some muse lol

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yes, that's an interesting thing about his works -- he's really doing something akin to the very poets he's critically examining. I did a talk about that in my Dr. Sadler's Philosophy Forum last weekend

[@ansarallahi]

cool just you've got so much going on its hard to keep track. i appreciate these efforts with an appreciation which wont match the greatness of the effort itself.

[@GregoryBSadler]

new Core Concept video

[@GregoryBSadler]

I don't.

[@ZiemniakZKosmosu]

In the moment when story of Odysseus killing men with his bow is told, I was taken by this story and really feel it. Greek rhapsodes must told this story in similar way.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yes, I imagine so

[@rosewoods1563]

This is really helpful! Thank you so much!

[@GregoryBSadler]

you're very welcome!

[@mrpoig123]

Thanks for these lectures on plato. I just bought platos complete works to do a deeper independent study on plato. But the problem is I don't know what book to start on do you have any suggestions.

[@GregoryBSadler]

There's not going to be any wrong book to start with.

[@MrMarktrumble]

Nietszche as the rhapsode of the will to power. Are you suggesting that the magnet is a metaphor for the Good and the chain of being? thank you for your lecture.

[@GregoryBSadler]

You're welcome. No, I'm not suggesting that. There's already a metaphysical interpretation there in the Platonic passages we're looking at. In these Core Concept videos, I pretty much stick with with text, thinker, and main idea

[@MrMarktrumble]

It is a good discipline to stick to and understand what is contained in the text. This gives identity and fixity to the point one wishes to talk about. I am familiar with these ideas you are covering, but enjoy reviewing them. For the most part, you are clear and unpretentious. I am grateful to listen to someone who appears to know what they are talking about when it comes to philosophy. My lifelong purpose is to understand both Eastern and Western philosophy, and to ultimately to be wise. I think philosophy transforms the will with wisdom.

[@joeyyc8515]

Love what you said, by the way.

[@steviel123]

I think what strikes me most in the dialogue is how different ancient the understanding of "success" or "greatness" is from our modern understanding. I mean that in modern times, there are no gods in that there is this understanding among us that anyone can achieve what the next has achieved if only one works a little harder. Isn't that just the American Dream - hard work? It seems to me that hard work doesn't get you anywhere in the world of the Greeks (for example Sisyphus). In fact, if someone came up to me and said, "The gods speak through me," I'd think they were crazy. Divine inspiration seems to have vanished. I think even the religious person I meet in the street no longer believes in divine inspiration...at most they simply lie awake at night praying as hard as they can. Just another example of the American Dream. (There's a great book by Hubert Dreyfus and Sean Kelly called All Things Shining which talks about the fleeing of the gods and its awesome!)

[@GregoryBSadler]

Well, I wouldn't generalize too much from a case like Sisyphus. The Greeks, Plato included, talk quite a bit about what one accomplished by one's own work -- they just don't think that hard work renders one, so to speak, invulnerable to bad things happening.

[@ansarallahi]

this word muse i found in milton. and its striking i wondered if it had any connection with moses and or whats known as the holy spirit? my first suspicion was that moses may be named so because of his inspiration. These are just quires i am not sure of any of that? of and also could the holy spirit be Gabriel?

[@GregoryBSadler]

No, there's no etymological connection between "muse" (or in classical Greek, Mousa) and the name "Moses". They're in different languages - Greek (an Indoeuropean language) and Hebrew (a Semitic language) that are not really in any meaningful contact with each other until the Macedonian conquest of the Persian empire in the 300s BC, long after these words are being used in their respective languages

[@ansarallahi]

thank you as i said it was just a thought! could their be some more ancient connection or do i just want them to be connected. i just find it strange how the sounds are so close and the concepts they represent so close?

[@ThePeaceableKingdom]

Plato's image of divine inspiration in poetry seems to me to be a good description of what it actually *feels* like when I've composed music: Even though for the next note I could choose any note there is - or even a rest - there is only one note that sounds like the right one, as if I am not creating the tune as much as I'm being given it or uncovering it. Sure, we operate within a harmonic tradition, and there are rules of harmony which can be described with mathematics, but much of modernism in music has been to violate such rules and that remains a legitimate option even with in western 12 tone chromatic scales. So why is one next note the "right one" and not another (from the composer's point of ear)? There is the apocryphal story of Paul Hindemith rapping his baton on the podium and scolding his orchestra during rehearsal, "No, no, no, gentleman! Even though it sounds wrong, it's still not right!" Well, the orchestra can play dissonance wrongly by not following the instructions; but why did one dissonance originally seem right to the composer if not by following inspiration? . (BTW I like these shorter videos, and Ion is not a text I've studied, but sound like one I should...)

[@GregoryBSadler]

It's Plato's shortest dialogue, so it's a quick read, and well worth the time. It's interesting to think about Music in this sense -- which was a component of dramatic and epic performance, but which wasn't viewed as what the poet was really spending the most effort composing (except perhaps the legendary Orpheus)

[@elizabethrob320]

Could you please do book3 of Republic

[@GregoryBSadler]

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[@Embien]

The way you describe this makes me want to read Homer 🙂

[@GregoryBSadler]

Well, then you should!

[@nadeeshanwarapitiya3726]

your way of teaching is very nice please sir i am from srilanka can you please teach about Foucault :)

[@GregoryBSadler]

I'm glad you like the videos. So. . . Foucault. I could see doing some videos on his works, but that will have to wait for a while -- I'm still working my way through the Existentialism series, and starting a whole Hegel sequence. But, eventually. . . yes

[@nadeeshanwarapitiya3726]

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[@GregoryBSadler]

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[@TTgarland]

Helped a lot. Thanks for posting!

[@GregoryBSadler]

You’re welcome!