How to Survive a Massacre in Europe’s Wars of Religion

[@emmcee662]

I could listen to these lectures 24 hours a day 👍

[@royoosthuizen3694]

It's not easy to teach history as narrative, because you have to connect the dots and make the story flow naturally while making it credible, but this man does it exceptionally well.

[@MsHburnett]

Another hour of thinking with this eloquent speaker

[@jsoth2675]

This guy is a great lecturer! Thanks for your dedication to sharing information with all.

[@Poeme340]

Great lecture. Illuminating and stomach-turning at the same time. We must learn from the past and be vigilant for contemporary parallels or we will cycle backwards, perpetually.

[@deQI-vx3pv]

The Massacre of St Bartholomée is still taught to this day in every single history class in France so i wouldn't say it's forgotten, just that almost nobody draws outrage from it like atrocities do

[@davidinchcliff4560]

I would say it's not the whole truth. Read the great controversy by ELLEN WHITE. The Jesuits changed our history books.

[@freebornjohn2687]

Dear Gresham College would it be possible to make it clear the order of Alec Ryrie's lectures so I can watch them in the correct order. Thanks

[@GreshamCollege]

Hi Freeborn John - here is a link to playlist which includes all of Alec Ryrie's lectures. If you sort by 'Date Added Newest' then you can watch all of them in order! kzbin.info/aero/PLU3TaPgchJtRjl-WiM1_CGzTSRznxOvZx

[@p.bckman2997]

@@GreshamCollege , thank you for making these talks accessible, they are amazing!

[@kenmoretoast]

There's no way to sort them on mobile, unfortunately. They're in a totally random order.

[@SuperMookles]

@@kenmoretoast oh well, I'm sure you'll survive.

[@kenmoretoast]

@@SuperMookles true enough, i just make my own playlists and reference the Gresham website when i want to see a series in order

[@anonnymousperson]

Q: How to Survive a Massacre in Europe’s Wars of Religion A: Don't answer the front door while it's going on.

[@annayosh]

I am a Dutchman with an interest in history, but the term 'Wonderyear' (#3:22) (wonderjaar in Dutch) does not ring any bell. I know this period as the 'Beeldenstorm', which literally means 'image storm' but is also the Dutch word for iconoclasm.

[@giovanniacuto2688]

It is often forgotten that Queen Elizabeth 1 ambassador to France was Francis Walsingham. He actually witnessed the St Bartholomew's Day massacre which took place in 1572. This was not long after the Northern rebellion of 1569 and Ridolfi plot of 1571 both of which aimed to assassinate Queen Elizabeth and replace her with Mary Queen of Scots, Mary herself having formerly been Queen of France by marriage in 1559-60. Walsingham became the Queen's principal secretary (in effect Secretary of Sate) in 1573. Given what he had witnessed it is hardly surprising that the efforts he made to thwart Mary's plotting became a major focus of his career.

[@briandelaney9710]

To the extent of helping to forge the Casket Letters

[@stevepowsinger733]

To this day, i am not sure RCC historians can be trusted to give an honest telling of those violent events.

[@Kitiwake]

@@stevepowsinger733 same question to you... what version of history do you have and how do you know it's accurate?

[@geeache1891]

What is forgotten (at ca. 15:00) on what the church decorations meant to protestants, as they represented the corollary of the various means on how the church enforced religious power on the people with the shear aim of enriching the church,

[@jamesoneill3922]

Superb lecture with a lot to consider even today.

[@roniquebreauxjordan1302]

...very relevant

[@brendanbutler1238]

10:37 The Ten commandments say you shall not make AND worship a graven image. The Israelites had statues of angels on the ark of the covenant. So it's the worship of statues like the golden calf or other idols that was forbidden not the making of statues and use for religious devotion. The reformation led people astray by taking little soundbites of scripture out of context. The statues were an intrinsic part of the Catholic Churches and monasteries, they belonged there, not an imposition like Nazis flags. Destroying them was nothing like getting rid of Nazis regalia imposed on a Church, more like the communist destruction of ancient cultures that they consider inferior.

[@clivestegosaurus4136]

I think he was trying to make the audience understand the Protestant sentiment, in that these “idols” were egregious

[@Kitiwake]

Braunschweig Cathedral was a Lutheran cathedral during WW2.

[@mtpanchal]

I am a fan of this guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOve from India

[@manfredconnor3194]

It would REALLY be nice if these were numbered in the title!!!

[@lauramiric8067]

Thank you for sharing this valuable lecture!

[@gary100dm]

This is echoed in the modern anti clerical Christeros war in Mexico.

[@victoriacastro1729]

And in the XX century Spanish civil war.

[@zaphodtrillian5237]

@@victoriacastro1729 HOW?

[@stevenbrown6277]

Great lecture. Thank you.

[@uncatila]

As a Catholic I know that Charity is the primary goal. Hou can not try to force another to be charitable. Last night a black woman asked me if I voted for Trump. When I said yes she suggested that our conversation was ended. Protesting I asked here who she voted for. When she said "the other guy" I asked her how would you feel if I refused to talk with you because you voted for the other guy? Charity makes dialogue possible.

[@damienasmodeus928]

Catholic who votes for trump... hmmm , I guess you are the type of person who really loves any kind of corrupt authority.

[@krispalermo8133]

@@damienasmodeus928 Please look up the music video " Rotting Christ - 666 " It is kind of cool for me to hear " Holy Earth " being chanted in Medieval Greek by a Black Metal band.

[@damienasmodeus928]

@@krispalermo8133 Χ Ξ Σ

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Funniest thing, according to lefties, you're supposed to be the highly intolerant one not them.

[@nomadpurple6154]

Perhaps ask yourself, why, when your story works without stating she was black you felt the need to mention it.

[@blackedmirror5073]

Are all of Alec Ryrie’s lectures in one place or in one playlist? Where can we watch the first 2 of this series without digging? The first of this series is the Spanish Inquisition one and its in the religion playlist but where is the second?

[@GreshamCollege]

We've just updated the playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLU3TaPgchJtSe4Je7J4TBs0GfyIg-TUxX

[@רועילוי-ט6ו]

The ottoman empire

[@blackedmirror5073]

Gresham College thank you

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

@@GreshamCollege It is very common for KZbin speakers to refer to "my last lecture," etc. completely unaware that they are about to be thrown into the un-indexed mass, badly labelled, irrelevantly dated, numbered in ways that no machine can find, and sorted by mechanical algorithm to appear alongside all sorts of opposites, homonyms, and bizarre accidents only a machine could concoct. Please put Roman numerals at the beginnings of titles; supply series with identification identical on the main KZbin page to that on the (generally second or third click away) collections page. Perhaps make your collections out of consecutive items of in fact the same collection. The "Mix" collections which appear in the right-hand columns of our KZbin pages are great fun, but perhaps better suited to some other planet, century, or medium.

[@mikecain6947]

Did you talk about Oliver Cromwell ?

[@waterbaby8360]

Thanks!

[@greenfroggood2392]

Food for thought, if the dead are only truly allowed to rest once the stories of the massacres are allowed to become History and properly dissected, what does that say for the massacres that define our current era?

[@EnglishSaxons]

What massacres ..the only massage we have is Islam on our doorstep

[@mikecain6947]

How do you see the Book of Prayer Revolt?

[@zwatwashdc]

I have a bad feeling that the forthcoming advice might be useful again very soon. 😬

[@shahzadkhan-iz8rs]

Excellent...I have taken down notes of the complete lecture.

[@Kitiwake]

Just to add that a month before the "Saint Bartholomew's day massacre" 19 Catholic priests were hanged by Calvinists in Antwerp. Not the best offering before a marriage for the sake of peace between factions. Incidentally, Braunschweig Cathedral was a Lutheran cathedral during WW2.

[@chriscoke2505]

The problem about what he says at 11:00 about comparing Catholic Churches to swastikas is that all these Huguenots grew up Catholic. They knew it didn’t represent a swastika. They knew better. They were committing sacrilege which was wrong. They were being swept up in a hysteria based on nothing

[@zacharyb2723]

random question: why when people talk about numbers of people (death or otherwise) do we not hear the percentage of the population? How do I know what 3,000 people means in Paris in 1572? what is the population of the city? apparently 300,000 or so. so like 1% of the population. am i just supposed to know this?

[@billythedog-309]

Yes, now that the population of Paris is so much greater if 3,000 people are murdered in one riotous act nobody would bat an eye.

[@shahbanu-amestris]

Because what the population of Paris was in 1572 is highly speculative. The population of Paris is 1550 is estimated to have been around 350,000. How much this would have changed by 1572 is unknown.

[@Kitiwake]

Where did that figure come from?

[@gary100dm]

See the Christeros wars of Mexico

[@mikecain6947]

Is it true that France was not on the Catholic side in the last of the religious wars?

[@chrisball3778]

France sided with the Protestant alliance in the Thirty Years War (1618-1648). It's debatable whether the Thirty Years War was strictly a religious war, or that it was the last, but I think that's the one you've heard about. Although the Thirty Years War began as a religious conflict, it also involved political rivalries between the major European powers. The short explanation is that France fought alongside the Protestants because Spain was aiding the Catholics and France wanted to stop Spain becoming too powerful. At the time France officially tolerated its Protestant minority and protected their rights under the 1598 Edict of Nantes which was intended to settle France's own religious wars, although these rights were gradually eroded and finally rescinded in 1685 with the Edict of Fontainebleau. A lot of this is covered in more detail in other lectures in this series, which are well worth watching.

[@mikecain6947]

@@chrisball3778 Do they talk aout the penal laws?

[@hoponpop3330]

The thirty year war was an attempt by France to weaken the the Empire . Their bitter empire. They financed the whole thing and fought in the last ten years .

[@lennartkaiser2809]

Fascinating! :D

[@dan_mer]

La Reine Margot is the only movie where people actually take off their clothes before going out of the house.

[@rauch999]

Why is there no episode about the cathars?

[@shahbanu-amestris]

His focus is on the Early Modern Period.

[@Kitiwake]

Why do you want that?

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

I think he’s reading too much into the fact that religious statutes had their noses knocked off. It’s doubtful there was any symbolism to this, it’s just the easiest and most obvious way of defacing a statue. The same happened to statues in Ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome. How else are you going to do it?

[@jsoth2675]

You could remove the members off them. Alcibiades ftw!

[@krispalermo8133]

" Their nose was cut off to in spite their face. " -- something like that, old saying.

[@Murcans-worship-felons]

I am an atheist. You are a gifted man!

[@Amadeu.Macedo]

Splendid, illuminating lecture! Thanks for your endeavor to demonstrate the horrors caused by the ridiculous, contradictory, intolerance of the so-called "religions" (which I prefer to categorize as "modern mythological creeds"). BRAVO! ////// Palestra esplêndida e esclarecedora! Obrigado pelo seu empenho em demonstrar os horrores causados pela ridícula, contraditória, intolerância das chamadas "religiões" (as quais eu prefiro categorizar como "credos mitológicos modernos"). BRAVO!

[@eb0632]

Alec ryrie is a Christian

[@Kitiwake]

It was a series of wars for political advantage.

[@matimus100]

Brilliant 👏

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you.

[@pauloseara1638]

Wars of Religion also triggered xenophobia and racism between Europeans.

[@iparipaitegianiparipaitegi4643]

Biaised presentation

[@roniquebreauxjordan1302]

This puts so much into perspective 😐

[@ApocryphalDude]

TBF Catholicism did teach this violence to the flock through historic affliction against the heathen and heretics ... Therefore it isn't an atrocity and to say it isn't is to be hypocritical by specially excluding your own religion against these acts.

[@chuckles5689]

both sides were equally intolerant and violent

[@Kitiwake]

What a dumb statement. "Catholicism teaches it's flock" doesn't make sense grammatically either because "catholicism" is a creed or inanimate form and doesn't have a physical presence in order to perform an action.

[@chriscoke2505]

This is anti Catholic propaganda. He depicts the Protestants as humane in Leyden and doesn’t talk about the Protestant massacres of Catholics. But he does talk of the Catholic massacre of Calvinists at St Bartholomews

[@RichMitch]

Ed Balls

[@ik5083]

Jakh

[@tommyodonovan3883]

Machiavelli was right, there are two types of people in this world; *WOLF and SHEEP.*

[@Kitiwake]

Machiavellin was the tone of the times.

[@stevepowsinger733]

Unfortunate poor audio quality. Edit: “the Spanish were robust in their Catholicism”. Love it. Personally, I find the RCC of that era oppressive and tyrannical. Freedom and Protestantism were the same cause.

[@michaeltowslee4111]

Protestant freedom was found only under the control of the clerics and human ideas of mortality. Freedom under religion is an oxymoron. The only ones who have freedom are the pulpit jockeys, those control the purse strings, and secular authorities who guide, control, and direct religious fervor in their own political goals.

[@Kitiwake]

Why? You weren't there. It brought hundreds of years of war, misery and death. It brought revolutions in Europe, communism and at present wokeism. That freedom?

[@traptown1223]

Gresham College

[@DamontrenK]

This was very hard to sit through as a Catholic. I appreciate the knowledge but it's heavily slanted towards a demonization of Catholicism. Liberal and now leftist historiography tends to do that uncritically though.

[@usaintltrade]

☢️🛑 DOGMA

[@terilien6124]

Saint Bartholomew's day massacre was justified even if it got out of hand. Decapitation strike.

[@artofmusic303]

The speaker needs to learn how to avoid letting the last half of his sentences dribble away in inaudible mumbling.

[@martinbonfil5545]

Rubbish, Professor Ryrie has first class diction and is an excellent lecturer.

[@TheHalflingLad]

I listened to a few of these lectures by now and I don't think anything was wrong with his delivery. I did get the impression that his mic stopped picking his voice up properly from time to time though. Or maybe he just wasn't speaking directly into it. Anyway, I think there were some technical issues.

[@joschafinger126]

Not really his fault, but there are passages in this recording that are great arguments for lapel mikes.

[@traptown1223]

Gresham College

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