Legacy of Kain: Defiance - 39 - The fall of the ancient god

[@Brucifer2]

It just dawned on me that the Elder Gods plan was to bury Kain alive since he cant die...Kain...who can literally teleport...

[@tarvoc746]

LOL!

[@LordProteus]

He's actually plane-shifting. Time runs differently when plane-shifted which is why it isn't instantaneous. He still actually needs to physically move through another plane. Even Raziel couldn't just go through walls and huge boulders.

[@eduardomagana3858]

@@LordProteus and yet, he can go through cages and metal.

[@Akanio_Vatheros]

@@eduardomagana3858 Yeah but it's ghostly metal and spectral cages

[@theonewhoknocks1412]

@@eduardomagana3858 he can't intervene with thin objects like swords etc. So ofcourse he's gonna be able to go through the cages

[@Hyperion-5744]

Kain: In the meantime you'd best burrow deep.

[@ranzigerkaefer]

The best Anti-Villain who turned to Anti-Hero ever - Kain, the elder

[@hugarada7156]

Kain's past actions don't reflect really what a anti-villain is

[@ranzigerkaefer]

@@hugarada7156 Hm. I get your point. But beyond BO1 / LoK:D storywise there is no doubt he is an anti-villain. He is not in BO1 till the end and he is not in SR2 or LoK:D. He clearly is in BO2.

[@hugarada7156]

@@ranzigerkaefer I mean he only did what he did, not to restore nosgoth but cause he wanted to turn back to human. Accepting his powers to perserve his own life. I'm aware at the end of the day this was the right decision but Kain's intentions at the time were self serving. Killing anyone who gets in his way and at the end of the day you doom the whole world. An anti-villain behaves like a hero while having the goals of a villain e.g. Darth Vader and Schneizel El Brittania. Kain was always selfish, he didn't behave like a hero in any moment in both BO1 and BO2, and all his action and points were mildly questionable to say the least. Not trying to start a debate but it's crucial that you understand what a hero, villain, anti-hero and anti-villain are.

[@KalvinEllis]

@@hugarada7156 It's also important to mention that younger Kain doesn't behave like a hero because he was corrupted since his birth and all his actions were always preordained. His intentions were self-serving by design, not necessarily because he chose to be that way. Kain wasn't capable of being a heroic character then since he literally wasn't wired that way. It's not until he takes his fate in his own hands and discovers the secrets surrounding the corruption of the pillars that he starts having more noble intentions.

[@hugarada7156]

@@KalvinEllis I mean, Raziel has freewill yet he's no better than Kain

[@dracul1853]

Watching in 2019 (memories :'( ....)

[@olivergehr1552]

2022

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

Me too in 2K22.

[@Solrac993]

2022, this is a Game still gaves to speak.

[@jmm1233]

corny line but Kain is so badass he can pull it off

[@waleedalsiraji6262]

jmm1233 it might be , but from kain it's badASS

[@Razorhunter5]

This Series is just love, and i hope it will never return. In modern gaming industry they will absolutely ruin it, no way to deliver the same feeling.

[@atheopagan]

Given the choice whether to remaster an archaic and decaying epic, or to challenge the fates for another throw, a better throw against one's destiny. What was a king to do? . . . But does one truly ever have a choice? One can only match, move by move, the machinations of Capital. And thus defy the tyrannous stars.

[@Shetyre]

i just understood 1 very big thing guys, the old god didnt actualy die .... !

[@ljklmoiaoklmlljkajksjdklfm503]

he did die the eldergod made army of soul reavers after his defeat here and they killed kain and we continue in dead sun @@Damien_Bathory

[@WisteriaNerium]

@@Damien_Bathory Moebius was mentioning the fact that Kain was killed by Raziel with the Soul Reaver at William's chapel, but there was a paradox that avoided that outcome and on a sense Kain does dies at the hands of Raziel.

[@WisteriaNerium]

@@ljklmoiaoklmlljkajksjdklfm503 Dead Sun is a cancelled game, there was a sequel to Defiance on the works where Kain would battle the Hylden and the EG

[@hanon2012]

@@WisteriaNerium would be nice if they completed the defiance sequel. they could finally end the series

[@hugarada7156]

@@ljklmoiaoklmlljkajksjdklfm503 dead sun was a fucking reboot. Good thing it was canceled

[@tuckernutter]

Stab the eye dude

[@eduardomagana3858]

Which one?

[@ryansmith4494]

@@eduardomagana3858haha.

[@ayrasimmons1607]

We getting soul reaver remasters thanks to a figure leak at sdcc

[@MB-ko3mr]

I hope neca do new figures for lok

[@AB-vp9mi]

Does it meant that this place becomes the Lake of the Dead later?

[@ryansmith4494]

No.

[@WisteriaNerium]

The Lake of Dead already appears in Blood Omen, it's on the way to Vorador's mansion. The lake the Vampire Citadel is located is the Lake of Tears iirc

[@AB-vp9mi]

@@WisteriaNerium OK I'm noob lol ty for explanation.

[@lemonapocalypse414]

Pray that when LoK returns, it is free of woke taint.

[@hugarada7156]

Hope it is

[@user-sk4wf3ve6z]

I heard that one of kains new special abilities is that he can change his gender by updating his Instagram bio

[@iskilii6877]

Legacy of Tyrone

[@malchalati]

You know a woman wrote all the games, right?

[@lemonapocalypse414]

@@malchalati I don't care if an alien donkey wrote it, that isn't what this is about. It's very simple: Don't hijack the franchise. Don't race or gender swap anyone, don't change anyone's sexuality, don't shoe-horn in our modern politics, don't add diversity that isn't in the lore. It's fucking NOSGOSTH, NOT EARTH. There is infinite room within the creative space for fresh IPs. Hijacking existing one's is lazy and a betrayal of the fans who supported it in the past.

[@BoyKagome]

Theses lines are terrible, Amy writes way better than this - was she sick when you guys wrote the script?

[@atheopagan]

For Blood Omen 2 and Defiance, outside help was recruited to make the dialogue more dramatic. I prefer the dialogue writing of the other games myself, but it would be a stretch to call Defiance dialogue terrible. It still has some of the greatest exchanges of the series. E.g. Consider this from Raziel's introduction: "Enough of your sermonizing! Why must this game go on? We both know what you are. You're no better than the Vampires you so despise. A voracious parasite, cloaking its appetite in a shroud of righteousness. I refuse to do your will." "I can see into your heart, Raziel. It is not your will, but cowardice that keeps you here." Despite a few misfires, Defiance can hit really hard.

[@BoyKagome]

@@atheopagan Site says she helped a little bit, I bet the intro is her design. It uses the same words she uses in other games. "One can only match move by move the machinations of fate, and thus defy the terious stars."

[@chuckingreaper8654]

Yeah, I don’t get where either of you are coming from. This dialogue is fine by me.

[@BoyKagome]

@@chuckingreaper8654 It's weaker in defiance, not bad... but weaker. I took the exchanges I liked into a playlist, and Defiance only has Kain's intro and Tureul. Meanwhile, Soul Reaver 2 its practically the whole game.